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MFL - Position Updates 3/6 (3 Viewers)

Thibodeaux is a shocker but I think that changes.  Allen possibly too, they are a solid 4-3 and I don't think they use their SOLB  as a rusher like the Bradley scheme does.

 
The MIN changes are head scratchers to me. Did they move to 3-4 this year.

Everything else is either long overdue or right on time with LV and JAC both moving to 3-4 this year 

Edit - forgot that MIN did switch to 3-4 and went out and grabbed Za'Darious Smith.

 
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Dacomish said:
Some of these are HOLY CRAP....the 3 that jump out at me straight away and will nerf their value in my league:

LAC: Joey Bosa from DE to LB

LVR: Maxx Crosby from DE to LB

MIN: Danielle Hunter from DE to LB 
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Reddick from DE to LB is a crushing blow to his value in most leagues.

 
So in RFA I made a $1 bid on Robert Quinn who was still listed as a LB in April I wanted to get him because I figured he would move to DL from what I had seen.  He only was an ok LB last year because of 18 sacks but if he had like even 12 sacks he would been just awful LB.  So I tried to win him cheap hoping other owner was like screw it he sucks as a a LB.

Then someone came in and bid $15 over top my $1 bid which was insane if he was a LB I asked him why he said "I really need a LB" and I said "well you just bought yourself a DL I think"

Then they changed his Bosa to a LB crushing his value so he got his LB in the end!

 
My issue is, it would seem that position change should be done when it's relatively clear that a player will have that new role.

Erring on the side of caution, I suppose. 

Do we have a coach saying that player X will be a DE in his new 3-4 scheme? Change his position. Is a DE getting converted to standup OLB? Change it. 

I read @Tick's thread on Twitter where there was justification for the moves. Coaching change seems to be the only defense. They specifically mention Raiders new coach as a 3-4 guy. 

OK, let's take my team: 

New #Raiders DC Patrick Graham: The game is "sub defense" period, point blank. "The 4-2-5 world." The world of 5 DBs on the field at once. Says the 4-3, 3-4 defense conversations are almost antiquated.

There are entire articles on the Athletic about how Graham is multiple. He has said this repeatedly since getting hired.

Why leap to changes? Why not see what training camp brings?

 
Vincent Bonsignore @VinnyBonsignore

Maxx Crosby has already spoke to new @Raiders DC Patrick Graham. One of the first things Graham told him was not to worry/listen to any talk about the 3-4 or 4-3 defensive fronts.

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It seems that the best way to respond if you'd rather have EDGEs is to submit a ticket at MFL (https://www03.myfantasyleague.com/2022/support?SHOWFORM=1) letting them know you think it's an antiquated approach.  Maybe head off some of the easy responses in your ticket by mentioning that you'd rather have them get it right instead of telling you we're able to change positions, and that they aren't really relying on Fantasy Sharks because they won't allow Gary to designate players as EDGEs.

 
How would that work for lineups ?  Right now I am in a 2-2-2 format with 2 flex.

Edge would replace DE ?  Is that how it would work ?

So instead of MFL listing DE it will list Edge ? 

Since I combine DE+DT for DL would Edge just be a DL ?  So it would become DE+DT+Edge = DL ?

Or would edge force the rid of DE position ?

How would they determine if a player was a LB or Edge rusher ?  Would you just assume it based on what ?

 
@Dez, In a DL/LB/DB format, all your pass rushers would be DLs. LBs are your tacklers. DBs are coverage specialists (and why certain strong safeties are almost cheat codes). Nose tackles, D tackles, D ends, and 3-4 OLBs would be grouped together in a true-position model. 15-20 years ago, strong-side LBs like Michael Boley and Jamir Miller could get you 100 tackles and 10 sacks. Now, outside of Kyle Van Noy and maybe Anthony Barr, most linebackers (3-4 or 4-3) have a clear split in duties in pass defense. They either rush 90% of the time or cover 90% of the time. 

 
Dez said:
How would that work for lineups ?  Right now I am in a 2-2-2 format with 2 flex.

Edge would replace DE ?  Is that how it would work ?

So instead of MFL listing DE it will list Edge ? 

Since I combine DE+DT for DL would Edge just be a DL ?  So it would become DE+DT+Edge = DL ?

Or would edge force the rid of DE position ?

How would they determine if a player was a LB or Edge rusher ?  Would you just assume it based on what ?
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Most advocate for DI, Edge, LB.

DI = DTs and 3-4 DEs.

Edge = 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs.

LB = 4-3 LBs and 3-4 ILBs.

Determination is done by Pro Football Focus, which uses film study to see where players line up on every play.

 
K.Neal LB to S wasn't listed initially but seems to have been added since, although this one was hardly a surprise.

 
Travon Walker still listed as a DE on MFL, despite working out exclusively at LB opposite Josh Allen (who IS listed as a LB). What are the chances he keeps that designation into the season?

 
Will there be another round of position changes before the season starts?
We have our draft going on now, and player values could change drastically based on position. Robert Quinn for instance would be a great DL as he’s currently listed, but not worth a roster spot if moved back to LB.
 
matttyl said:
Will there be another round of position changes before the season starts?
We have our draft going on now, and player values could change drastically based on position. Robert Quinn for instance would be a great DL as he’s currently listed, but not worth a roster spot if moved back to LB.
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They usually have another update near the end of August. One way to combat that is to state that positions lock in for your league at the time of the draft. That way everyone knows going in what the positions are and someone doesn't get screwed by some late change. We do that and it works very well.
 
Do I cut joey bosa or do I hold onto him.

This is why I never invest in d-lineman, I traded for him last year and now he is my lber #7 :rant:
 
MTskibum said:
Do I cut joey bosa or do I hold onto him.

This is why I never invest in d-lineman, I traded for him last year and now he is my lber #7 :rant:
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Seems like it depends on roster sizes and scoring system for sacks. If he hits the wire in any of my leagues, I'm bidding high in hopes he gets switched back. Until then, I guess he could be my LB5 or a desperation play when I expect to lose but hope for a huge game. That's how I'm treating Hunter and Josh Allen where I have them.
 
MTskibum said:
Do I cut joey bosa or do I hold onto him.

This is why I never invest in d-lineman, I traded for him last year and now he is my lber #7 :rant:
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As Tick said, this is dependent upon scoring system primarily and the hope that he gets changed back. If you don't have to cut him I wouldn't. If you do I would want to know who the decision is between.
 
Yesterday our Commish submitted a ticket to MFL asking if they planned to add the Edge designation in 2023. Unfortunately, MFL replied that they have no plans to make the change. It's so frustrating and disappointing to know MFL will continue using antiquated position designations that kill the value of so many Edge rushers. Last year, I pushed for our league to use Sticky Positions as a work around, but there wasn't any support. Now in dynasty, I have to again decide whether or not to hold Danielle Hunter, who I rostered all year in hopes that MFL would add the Edge designation or that he'd be reclassified as a DL. Last year, he never started for me at LB, but he's too valuable as an Edge to drop.
 
bbasham said:
Yesterday our Commish submitted a ticket to MFL asking if they planned to add the Edge designation in 2023. Unfortunately, MFL replied that they have no plans to make the change. It's so frustrating and disappointing to know MFL will continue using antiquated position designations that kill the value of so many Edge rushers. Last year, I pushed for our league to use Sticky Positions as a work around, but there wasn't any support. Now in dynasty, I have to again decide whether or not to hold Danielle Hunter, who I rostered all year in hopes that MFL would add the Edge designation or that he'd be reclassified as a DL. Last year, he never started for me at LB, but he's too valuable as an Edge to drop.
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It doesn't have to kill the value of these guys. Change the scoring to big play scoring and these guys jump up the rankings and become relevant. The problem isn't solely based on position designations. If you don't reward these big plays sufficiently, they lose value regardless of the designation.
 
bbasham said:
Yesterday our Commish submitted a ticket to MFL asking if they planned to add the Edge designation in 2023. Unfortunately, MFL replied that they have no plans to make the change. It's so frustrating and disappointing to know MFL will continue using antiquated position designations that kill the value of so many Edge rushers. Last year, I pushed for our league to use Sticky Positions as a work around, but there wasn't any support. Now in dynasty, I have to again decide whether or not to hold Danielle Hunter, who I rostered all year in hopes that MFL would add the Edge designation or that he'd be reclassified as a DL. Last year, he never started for me at LB, but he's too valuable as an Edge to drop.
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I understand the frustration and disappointment. To be fair, though, MFL is still antiquated software so continuing on with antiquated designations should be the expected path.
 
MFL Just made a ton of updates for those that are affected:

The following player position changes will be made on Wednesday, March 1st, to bring our player database up-to-date with the FantasySharks.com depth charts:

    • ARI: Markus Golden from LB to DE
    • ARI: Myjai Sanders from LB to DE
    • ARI: J.J. Watt from DE to DT
    • ARI: Jesse Luketa from LB to DE
    • ARI: Dennis Gardeck from LB to DE
    • ARI: Victor Dimukeje from LB to DE
    • ARI: Jonathan Ledbetter from DE to DT
    • ATL: Matt Dickerson from DE to DT
    • ATL: Amani Bledsoe from DE to DT
    • ATL: Lorenzo Carter from LB to DE
    • ATL: Ta'Quon Graham from DE to DT
    • ATL: Quinton Bell from LB to DE
    • ATL: Arnold Ebiketie from LB to DE
    • BAL: Justin Houston from LB to DE
    • BAL: Tyus Bowser from LB to DE
    • BAL: Justin Madubuike from DE to DT
    • BAL: Brent Urban from DE to DT
    • BAL: Jayson Oweh from LB to DE
    • BAL: David Ojabo from LB to DE
    • BAL: Steven Means from LB to DE
    • BAL: Daelin Hayes from LB to DE
    • BAL: Vince Biegel from LB to DE
    • CHI: Terrell Lewis from LB to DE
    • CHI: Andrew Brown from DE to DT
    • CIN: Zachary Carter from DE to DT
    • CLE: Ben Stille from DE to DT
    • DAL: Micah Parsons from LB to DE
    • DAL: Israel Mukuamu from CB to S
    • DEN: Jonathan Harris from DE to DT
    • DEN: Jonathon Cooper from LB to DE
    • DEN: Matt Henningsen from DE to DT
    • DEN: Eyioma Uwazurike from DE to DT
    • DEN: Nik Bonitto from LB to DE
    • DEN: DeShawn Williams from DE to DT
    • DEN: Dre'Mont Jones from DE to DT
    • DEN: Baron Browning from LB to DE
    • DEN: Randy Gregory from LB to DE
    • DET: Will Harris from S to CB
    • GB : Preston Smith from LB to DE
    • GB : Rashan Gary from LB to DE
    • GB : Jarran Reed from DE to DT
    • GB : Dean Lowry from DE to DT
    • GB : Kingsley Enagbare from LB to DE
    • GB : Jonathan Garvin from LB to DE
    • GB : La'Darius Hamilton from LB to DE
    • GB : Justin Hollins from LB to DE
    • GB : Devonte Wyatt from DE to DT
    • JAX: Arden Key from LB to DE
    • JAX: Roy Robertson-Harris from DE to DT
    • JAX: K'Lavon Chaisson from LB to DE
    • JAX: Dawuane Smoot from DE to DT
    • JAX: Jordan Smith from LB to DE
    • JAX: Shaquille Quarterman from LB to DE
    • JAX: Josh Allen from LB to DE
    • LAC: Chris Rumph from LB to DE
    • LAC: Derrek Tuszka from LB to DE
    • LAC: Breiden Fehoko from DE to DT
    • LAC: Joe Gaziano from DE to DT
    • LAC: Joey Bosa from LB to DE
    • LAC: Khalil Mack from LB to DE
    • LAC: Morgan Fox from DE to DT
    • LAR: Larrell Murchison from DE to DT
    • LAR: Keir Thomas from LB to DE
    • LAR: Jonah Williams from DE to DT
    • LAR: Michael Hoecht from DT to DE
    • LAR: Leonard Floyd from LB to DE
    • LAR: Daniel Hardy from LB to DE
    • LAR: Jake Gervase from S to LB
    • LAR: Bobby Brown from DE to DT
    • LAR: A'Shawn Robinson from DE to DT
    • LVR: Jerry Tillery from DE to DT
    • MIA: Zach Sieler from DE to DT
    • MIA: Emmanuel Ogbah from DE to DT
    • MIA: Bradley Chubb from LB to DE
    • MIA: Christian Wilkins from DE to DT
    • MIA: Jaelan Phillips from LB to DE
    • MIA: Andrew Van Ginkel from LB to DE
    • MIA: Melvin Ingram from LB to DE
    • MIN: Harrison Phillips from DE to DT
    • MIN: Za'Darius Smith from LB to DE
    • MIN: Danielle Hunter from LB to DE
    • MIN: D.J. Wonnum from LB to DE
    • MIN: Kenny Willekes from LB to DE
    • MIN: Ross Blacklock from DE to DT
    • MIN: Jonathan Bullard from DE to DT
    • MIN: Patrick Jones from LB to DE
    • MIN: James Lynch from DE to DT
    • MIN: Esezi Otomewo from DE to DT
    • MIN: Luiji Vilain from LB to DE
    • NE : Deatrich Wise from DE to DT
    • NE : Matt Judon from LB to DE
    • NE : Josh Uche from LB to DE
    • NE : Anfernee Jennings from LB to DE
    • NE : DaMarcus Mitchell from DE to DT
    • NE : Ronnie Perkins from LB to DE
    • NE : Sam Roberts from DE to DT
    • NYG: Leonard Williams from DE to DT
    • NYG: Landon Collins from S to LB
    • NYG: Oshane Ximines from LB to DE
    • NYG: Tomon Fox from LB to DE
    • NYG: Vernon Butler from DE to DT
    • NYG: Darrian Beavers from LB to DE
    • NYG: Ryder Anderson from DE to DT
    • NYG: Jihad Ward from DE to DT
    • NYG: Azeez Ojulari from LB to DE
    • NYG: Kayvon Thibodeaux from LB to DE
    • PHI: Haason Reddick from LB to DE
    • PIT: Chris Wormley from DE to DT
    • PIT: Jamir Jones from LB to DE
    • PIT: Isaiahh Loudermilk from DE to DT
    • PIT: Malik Reed from LB to DE
    • PIT: Quincy Roche from LB to DE
    • PIT: Marcus Allen from S to LB
    • PIT: T.J. Watt from LB to DE
    • PIT: Larry Ogunjobi from DE to DT
    • PIT: Alex Highsmith from LB to DE
    • SEA: Uchenna Nwosu from LB to DE
    • SEA: Vi Jones from LB to DE
    • SEA: L.J. Collier from DE to DT
    • SEA: Myles Adams from DE to DT
    • SEA: Shelby Harris from DE to DT
    • TB : Pat O'Connor from DE to DT
    • TB : Rakeem Nunez-Roches from DE to DT
    • TB : Anthony Nelson from LB to DE
    • TB : Carl Nassib from LB to DE
    • TB : William Gholston from DE to DT
    • TB : Genard Avery from LB to DE
    • TB : Logan Hall from DE to DT
    • TB : Akiem Hicks from DE to DT
    • TB : Joe Tryon from LB to DE
    • TB : Shaq Barrett from LB to DE
    • TEN: Lonnie Johnson from CB to S
    • TEN: DeMarcus Walker from DE to DT
    • TEN: Kevin Strong from DE to DT
    • TEN: Sam Okuayinonu from DT to DE
    • TEN: Mario Edwards from DT to DE
    • TEN: Bud Dupree from LB to DE
    • TEN: Harold Landry from LB to DE
    [*]
 
It's a matter of strategy. Hopefully, this will be the last time that a change of this magnitude comes along, but we do make choices and plans to aim for the highest scoring at each position.

Saying it another way, how have you chosen to acquire talent at each position? The number of players with a DE designation just increased significantly. If you were very thin at DE before, this probably balanced out your team nicely. On the other hand, if you had a lot of talent in the pre-2023 DE pool. that relative advantage just got seriously diluted. AND, many of your LBs were outside 3-4 guys, you are now very unmanned at that position.

Imagine that the rules changed and all slot WRs were now considered TEs. Sure if you have some slot WRs, you just got a nice boost at TE, since slot WRs tend to score more than most TEs. But what if you had the best two TEs in the league, and that was a main factor in your success? The rest of the league just caught up to you. And looking further, when you chose to acquire those TEs in the past, you did so by drafting/trading for those players, at the expense of other positions. Your entire strategy, which in dynasty leagues may have taken you years to put into place, was just trashed.
 
JAK Straw said:
It's a matter of strategy. Hopefully, this will be the last time that a change of this magnitude comes along, but we do make choices and plans to aim for the highest scoring at each position.

Saying it another way, how have you chosen to acquire talent at each position? The number of players with a DE designation just increased significantly. If you were very thin at DE before, this probably balanced out your team nicely. On the other hand, if you had a lot of talent in the pre-2023 DE pool. that relative advantage just got seriously diluted. AND, many of your LBs were outside 3-4 guys, you are now very unmanned at that position.

Imagine that the rules changed and all slot WRs were now considered TEs. Sure if you have some slot WRs, you just got a nice boost at TE, since slot WRs tend to score more than most TEs. But what if you had the best two TEs in the league, and that was a main factor in your success? The rest of the league just caught up to you. And looking further, when you chose to acquire those TEs in the past, you did so by drafting/trading for those players, at the expense of other positions. Your entire strategy, which in dynasty leagues may have taken you years to put into place, was just trashed.
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I get it. Typically there were more LB's that were startable than DE. Therefore this seems like it should help balance things. However, this can also be scoring specific. In the leagues I am in we are big play scoring so OLB's were highly valuable already. This doesn't change that so much as redistribute those assets as you described.

I am also in salary/contract leagues. We have a rule in place for just this sort of thing. If you have a player under contract he will maintain the position he was at the time of contract award for the length of the contract. This way you aren't blindsided on your roster constrcution with these type of changes.
 
Enderdog said:
I'd rather be disrupted once and be done with it than dealing with it every time a defensive coordinator goes to a new team.
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This disruption seems overboard. I bet their is moves back for quite a few of these players as preseason and draft progresses
 
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