PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Did they not watch the Browns offense this year?
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Miami Hires New OC (1 Viewer)
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DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Wanna know something even more messed up?
WR coach George McDonald was the FIRST one of Mangini's lame duck staff that was hired somewhere else.
Strange world we live in.
WR coach George McDonald was the FIRST one of Mangini's lame duck staff that was hired somewhere else.
Strange world we live in.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I don't really know what to say. I'm actually at the point where I hope they are dismal next year. 1-15 dismal. Maybe then they bring in Cowher, draft Luck and give us some hope. It took 25 years, but I'm finally at the point where I'm embarrassed rooting for this team.
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Please explain for this Canes fanNot even sure Mangini would hire him if he had the chance again.I kept saying Dabol was holding Mangenius back.....This has to mean that Cowher is going to coach Miami next year.
lod01
Footballguy
Could be worse. They could have grabbed the hack OC from Carolina.
Daboll in action. A must see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgU42Yzbf84
Daboll in action. A must see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgU42Yzbf84
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Drink G2
Footballguy
I wouldn't hold your breath. None of Daboll's prior history suggests he can do anything special with RBs.That meaning he only has one prior season as an OC and his RBs didn't do much, and prior to that he was a QB/WR coach.While I cannot pinpoint why Hillis succeeded, I wouldn't bank on Daboll being a god send to Ingram or LeShoure or any other rookie RB who lands in Miami.Especially with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams still there.
Thanks for the history lesson on Daboll. But Ronnie and Ricky are free agents and i have a feeling the Dolphins are moving in another direction.
Dez
Footballguy
I was listening to Cleveland sports talk radio on the way home tonight and they were stunned Miami hired him for the OC job. They thought it was just to be a QB coach at first then found out and they said that if you talked to Mangenis he would even have to admit hiring him was a mistake.
I kick myself as a Brandon Marshall owner.
I kick myself as a Brandon Marshall owner.
Norseman
Footballguy
Rockchild
Footballguy
There had to be a better option out there. I'm not saying that he can't be successful but there isn't much on his resume that indicates he will be successful. And what is the big rush? Daboll gets hired by someone else? I don't think he was on the priority list of too many teams. Frustrating.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
and the hits just keep on coming.
This must be who the owner was referring to when he mentioned they wanted an explosive offense next year?
Maybe they can bring back Wannstache to run the defense next year?
OH THE PAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This must be who the owner was referring to when he mentioned they wanted an explosive offense next year?
Maybe they can bring back Wannstache to run the defense next year?
OH THE PAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Colt McCoy outperformed all first year expectations. Peyton Hillis went from a nobody to a stud this year. Was the guy really that bad?
Avery
Footballguy
Considering how bereft of talent most considered the Browns going into the year, perhaps the coaching was pretty solid.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Yes.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm not saying Daboll is a good offensive coordinator, but it's not like he had a lot to work with this year. Maybe Daboll's play-calling would have been different if the Browns had any play-makers on offense. He almost had to wear out the TEs and Hillis.Hardesty was supposed to be the starting RB, injured in camp. Massaquoi and Robiskie might be the worst starting WRs in the NFL, and Stuckey is not exactly Wes Welker. Due to injuries, the Browns played 3 QBs this year. Hillis turned out, and McCoy showed flashes. The Browns offensive line is above average; could use some help at RT and G though.Considering how bereft of talent most considered the Browns going into the year, perhaps the coaching was pretty solid.
MAC_32
Footballguy
2010 games you should watch before making a statement like this one*Tampa Bay*Kansas City*Jacksonville*Carolina*Miami*Buffalo*Cincinnati part deux*Baltimore part deuxYes, he was that bad. He can design some pretty good trick plays and that's about it.Considering how bereft of talent most considered the Browns going into the year, perhaps the coaching was pretty solid.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
There's only so much you can do in the NFL when you have zero talent at the WR position, a rookie QB, and an offensive line whose right side couldn't block Betty White.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The Browns playcalling was not the problem from what I saw. The front office forcing starts by Delhomme and Wallace limits your options. 5 wins from that roster was a decent coaching job.
The Comedian
Footballguy
my first thought.
outlawassassins
Footballguy
I'm not surprised one bit.. we are still recovering from the Wannstedt era.. and it's going to be AT LEAST 4 years or so before the dolphins are relevant again. We have to wait out a Sparano firing (at least another year), and then a clean house (at least another year) and then a rebuild (at least 3 years) .. hopefully we get Luck and we can build around him.. it sucks being a dolphins fan.. just dealing with a baseball diamond in the middle of the field for a month is ludicrous, then the half empty stadiums (I think we have one of the worst fan bases in the league).. opponents love playing in Miami, the crowd is nice and quiet and our team is always going to call a timeout in the 1st and 3rd quarters. ugh I'm venting at this point
Reaper
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From a Jets fan POV, I can see the light you cannot....To me this reeks of Lame Duck... You can't hire a legit OC who knows the whole situation is lame duck so, you get a guy desperate for a job.... Continue to build the defense, Have a strong draft. Look for a QB. Continue to build a decent OL, Sparano's specialty....Then BAM.... Cowher or Gruden comes in next year with another top Draft pick and hopefully for them a QB..... I think you see a very competitive team NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!You give a Cowher or Gruden an above average OL and a good defense and they are ready to rock.A dynamic RB at that point is icing on the cake and they already have Marshall.Teams do it all the time and as down as Miami fans are, it pains me to say - ITS NOT THAT BAD.
outlawassassins
Footballguy
I see what your saying, but only a week or so ago, Ross, the dolphins owner, promised the fans an "explosive offense" ..so, this just appears as a slap in the face to all of the fans.. but what your saying might be correct...I think Mike Nolan has done a good job with the defense, and I have confidence in him on the defensive side of the ball. On a side note: Please tell Jason Taylor that we said hello. thanks
Gatorman
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meh.
The hopeful side of me sees an OC who was mired in Holmgren and Mangini calling the shots. He helped Colt McCoy be decent and can develop the guy they draft this year.
I do not see this as a "suck for luck" attempt. You cannot guarantee that miami will be the worst next year. They still have a good D and a lot of pieces on O.
Miami's Needs:
D: Maybe another NT and an ILB to replace crowder.
O: The interior line, a QB, a speed WR, and a RB
In FA you have plenty at the RB position as well as interior linemen. QB, WR, NT will have to be drafted.
This team went only had one bad game vs the 4 teams left standing (the bears game with thigpen). Otherwise, we beat or were right with the other teams playing this weekend. I am not renewing my season tickets next year bc I think our problem is in the coaching staff, not the players, but we were the least penalized team last year (that is a sparano thing) and hopefully this guy can jazz up our offense.
The hopeful side of me sees an OC who was mired in Holmgren and Mangini calling the shots. He helped Colt McCoy be decent and can develop the guy they draft this year.
I do not see this as a "suck for luck" attempt. You cannot guarantee that miami will be the worst next year. They still have a good D and a lot of pieces on O.
Miami's Needs:
D: Maybe another NT and an ILB to replace crowder.
O: The interior line, a QB, a speed WR, and a RB
In FA you have plenty at the RB position as well as interior linemen. QB, WR, NT will have to be drafted.
This team went only had one bad game vs the 4 teams left standing (the bears game with thigpen). Otherwise, we beat or were right with the other teams playing this weekend. I am not renewing my season tickets next year bc I think our problem is in the coaching staff, not the players, but we were the least penalized team last year (that is a sparano thing) and hopefully this guy can jazz up our offense.
daveR
Footballguy
Given what you stated, he might be the ideal choice -- Ben Watson was our leading receiver.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Both Gruden and Cowher said no this off season. Cowher would have come if they let him be GM too and they refused.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This just kills me as fans and those from outside too seem to think this defense has arrived. This is far from a Baltimore or Pittsburgh in terms of playmaking ability. There is no Clay Mathews on this team...Cameron Wake is a nice story but I bet he doesn't hit double digits in sacks next season. The secondary is not there yet either, far from it. We need a big time Safety and those are hard to find. There is nothing "Super" about this defense yet so the notion that we just need a piece here or there...it can be solid again, but it's not elite, not at all. I am only thinking on terms of getting to a Super Bowl...I'm 36 years old and my memories are John Riggins running us over and then Roger Craig/Joe Montana slicing us like a knife thru hot butter.I'm not interested in solid and we haven't really replaced Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, or when we had bookends in Surtain/Madison for a couple years...this defense still needs a lot of work.Miami's Needs: Maybe another NT and an ILB to replace crowder.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I am COMPLETELY up in the air on this one.
Daboll looked inept and is widely criticized to be conservative, but at the same time, his arsenal of weapons isn't exactly the patriots or the Packers. So, I kinda want to give him a mulligan and see.
But at the same time, its not like the Fins are turning over the keys to a porshe for him. Lots of work needs done there.
Any way you slice it, it appears to be a multi-year rebuilding project at this time, which is really sad because they actually seemed to have regressed quite a bit from just a year ago.
All in all, I'll give it a "wait and see" until the dolphins play again. After all, even Bill Belichick looked bad in Cleveland.
Daboll looked inept and is widely criticized to be conservative, but at the same time, his arsenal of weapons isn't exactly the patriots or the Packers. So, I kinda want to give him a mulligan and see.
But at the same time, its not like the Fins are turning over the keys to a porshe for him. Lots of work needs done there.
Any way you slice it, it appears to be a multi-year rebuilding project at this time, which is really sad because they actually seemed to have regressed quite a bit from just a year ago.
All in all, I'll give it a "wait and see" until the dolphins play again. After all, even Bill Belichick looked bad in Cleveland.
I agree with you completely. We need more pieces on D, especially in the secondary. I would also like to see us have somebody on the line who can help in the pass rush. I disagree that Wake won't hit double digit sacks next year, I do agree however that he'll be limited in terms of what he did this season and face more double teams etc. but this man is a monster whose motor never stops. I watched the guy for two years as a BC Lion and after his rookie season everybody was saying it was a one year fluke and he'd never do it again, he proceeded to go out the next year and not only duplicate but play even better. He needs help though, we can't have only one guy to rush the QB. I would love to see us get a CB in the 1st round this year, was really hoping we would have drafted Earl Thomas last year too. We've got good pieces to have an elite D but we're not there yet.This just kills me as fans and those from outside too seem to think this defense has arrived. This is far from a Baltimore or Pittsburgh in terms of playmaking ability. There is no Clay Mathews on this team...Cameron Wake is a nice story but I bet he doesn't hit double digits in sacks next season. The secondary is not there yet either, far from it. We need a big time Safety and those are hard to find. There is nothing "Super" about this defense yet so the notion that we just need a piece here or there...it can be solid again, but it's not elite, not at all. I am only thinking on terms of getting to a Super Bowl...I'm 36 years old and my memories are John Riggins running us over and then Roger Craig/Joe Montana slicing us like a knife thru hot butter.I'm not interested in solid and we haven't really replaced Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, or when we had bookends in Surtain/Madison for a couple years...this defense still needs a lot of work.Miami's Needs
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lol at teams raiding the 'brain trust; of the browns.
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