Michael Bush (1 Viewer)

[Heinz 57]

I don't know too much about the extent of his injury. All I know is he was in the top 50 college prospects until his leg kicked out (pun intended).

Post what you know, what you think, or you could always use a little yellow face to sum up your thoughts.

I am hoping he could be a sleeper, and is at least a keeper. Everyone knows that Lamont Jordan and Fargas are rubbish, with Rhodes in the dog pound, I like Bush if he can get healthy.

 

[Kendall]

I wouldn't expect much out of Bush this year. I can't see the Raiders feeling the need to rush him back with the other four backs they have there right now. But I would be shocked if he doesn't become an every down player in the NFL. He is an amazingly talented player and seems to be fairly grounded.

 

[zadok]

I drafted him for 2008 in a startup dynasty a few months back. I don't think I will be disappointed.

 

[BigRed]

1 - I am hardly convinced Jordan is "rubbish" based on one bad season w/one of the most pathetic Os ever.

2 - From what I gather, Bush is a serious head case. Serious head case RBs don't have a great track record, regardless of talent (Cecil Collins, Larry Phllips, etc etc).

ie injury or no......pass.

 

[zadok]

2 - From what I gather, Bush is a serious head case.

Elaborate?

 

[JoeSteeler]

Bush could/should ne the man in '08. Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Jordan due a huge roster bonus next year? Don't expect anything out of Bush this year though.

 

[treat88]

Looks like Tarzan, runs like Jane.

Best comp: Eric Shelton with a limp.

 

[The Hank]

Not this year... but maybe next.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Not this year... but maybe next.

In one dynasty league I had Palmer, Kitna and Cutler at QB. I didn't need a QB (obviously) but at the #5 pick I chose Russell over MBush for a few reasons. First let me say that his injury doesn't really scare me. He's right - he had a broken bones and "bones heal". What I'm worried about is that while a RB his size might do well in the NCAA they very rarely excel in the NFL. He certainly wasn't worth the #5 pick this year to me which is about where his ADP has been this year if you want him. In dynasty I'll take a QB with the freak skill set that JR has. QBs' careers are some of the longest in the business and I just think that MBush doesn't have what it will ever take to be an elite back. I'd rather take my chances on Irons or Booker a few picks later.

 

[Block]

I vote creeper...he sleeps around.

 

[Heinz 57]

I was gonna make Creeper and option too. Thanks for your vote! Seems like almost no one thinks he will perform this year, but the majority predict he will be useful in 2008.

 

[Lash]

I vote Peeper, he looks in windows

 

[Ilov80s]

1 - I am hardly convinced Jordan is "rubbish" based on one bad season w/one of the most pathetic Os ever.2 - From what I gather, Bush is a serious head case. Serious head case RBs don't have a great track record, regardless of talent (Cecil Collins, Larry Phllips, etc etc).ie injury or no......pass.

In 14 games, Jordan put up 1500 yards and 11 TDs just 2 seasons ago. While he should send a Norv Turner a thank you letter, I can't say he is rubbish.

 

[BigRed]

Elaborate?

No? Maybe I heard wrong.OK draft him.

 

[da_budman]

1 - I am hardly convinced Jordan is "rubbish" based on one bad season w/one of the most pathetic Os ever.2 - From what I gather, Bush is a serious head case. Serious head case RBs don't have a great track record, regardless of talent (Cecil Collins, Larry Phllips, etc etc).ie injury or no......pass.

Im a Louisville homer and I have never heard or seen anything that would indicate that Bush is a head case....... not saying he is not....or that money wont change him.....but Ive heard nothing?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bush could/should ne the man in '08. Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Jordan due a huge roster bonus next year? Don't expect anything out of Bush this year though.

I believe he gave some of that bonus up this yr.... I remember him being pissed about something with his money.RotoworldJordan's Contract3/3/2005: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract. The deal includes $11 million guaranteed. 2007: $1 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2008: $4.7 million, 2009: $5 million, 2010: Free AgentRhodes3/9/2007: Signed a two-year, $7.5 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus and contains undisclosed incentives. 2007: $1.5 million (- $352,941 due to four-game suspension), 2008: Under Contract, 2009: Free Agent

 

[JAA]

As a Big East follower, I call weeper. Not fast enough to be a speedy RB, not strong and big enough to be a bruising RB.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

I really like him for next year and probably for some late weeks this year. FWIW, he's a stellar natural athlete- great QB in HS who got moved because of Brohm. Played a lot of slot receiver and was used as a slash type guy until taking over as a full time feature back, so he can definitely catch the ball. For people who say he's too slow or not tough enough, I never gathered that at all from watching him play.

 

[da_budman]

As a Big East follower, I call weeper. Not fast enough to be a speedy RB, not strong and big enough to be a bruising RB.

I really like him for next year and probably for some late weeks this year. FWIW, he's a stellar natural athlete- great QB in HS who got moved because of Brohm. Played a lot of slot receiver and was used as a slash type guy until taking over as a full time feature back, so he can definitely catch the ball. For people who say he's too slow or not tough enough, I never gathered that at all from watching him play.

As a HUGE Louisville fan it will surely be interesting to see what happens with Bush and how his skills translate into the nfl..... having watched every game Buxh played I actually concur with both of these posts.... Bush IS a big time athelete ..... but as JAA says though he is far from a plodder you expect from big backs he is not a speedster.....and not the bruiser you might expect from a a guy his size..... however 1 more important thing he DOES have going for him is amazing footwork..... I ve nevr seen a man his size with the agility and footwork Bush has....end result? some plusses some minuses I think Bush is an intriguing hard to pin down guy and it should be interesting to see where his carreer heads..... given the description of him im just not sure who he reminds me of past or present in the NFL?Anybody come to mind????????p.s. I do know this. comparing him to Shelton as Ive sen many times does Bush a diservice..... he was a far supperior back in college than Shelton......

 

[zadok]

Stephen Davis?

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

given the description of him im just not sure who he reminds me of past or present in the NFL?Anybody come to mind????????p.s. I do know this. comparing him to Shelton as Ive sen many times does Bush a diservice..... he was a far supperior back in college than Shelton......

He reminds me a lot of Jerome Bettis. Less physical, but a much better receiver. What always set Bettis apart from other big men in my eyes was his footwork- not necessarily open field moves, but shifty cuts for a guy his size. I don't think Bush has shown anywhere near the power of a guy like Bettis, but I think the size and footwork is pretty comparable.

 

[da_budman]

yeah betis is as close as I could come too but Buxh doesnt have his power....or at least hasnt shown it YET anyway....Bush would much rather go outside as inside in college and made a carreer of gaining 4-8 yards on those plays......im thinking in the nfl thats not gonna cut it and he will have to run inside to survive.....

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[Alluro]

I am VERY impressed looking at him on film. Kind of reminds me of a hybrid between Shaun Alexander and Rodney Hampton. He also appears to have excellent hands

 

[ImTheScientist]

Didn't look very impressive to me AT ALL .... Just looked like a big running back running over smaller/slower college players. Doesn't have what it takes to be a NFL back....maybe goaline back ...but thats it.

 

[ExtraPoint]

Oakland is not going to push Bush to play much if at all this year. Bush is neither physically nor mentally ready for a big role. They are going to rebuild the offense with Russell and even Russell might not start at all this season. They drafted Bush because he slid in the draft, not because they needed him. He's not even worth rostering in a redraft IMO.

For keeper sakes, he has long term potential in the fantasy world. There are understandable doubts about him becoming an every down back but half the teams use RBBC anymore. He could be a future starter, a future RBBC, or a future backup. For dynasty, I'd rank him the fourth best rookie prospect in a year that isnt as deep as the past few have been. For redraft, he's a nobody.

 

[Team Legacy]

250 pounds

enough said..

HATERS TRADE HIM TO ME!

 

[Biabreakable]

This guy has no agility no wiggle. Look at the youtubes posted above. The guy has to gather himself for a long time to turn the corner and he cannot make people miss running inside or in space (most of his carries are in space).

He does not have much power for his size either. He has straight line speed and that basicly about it. He took advantage of playing in a spread offense that made huge creases for him to run through. Those holes will not be there in the NFL where defenders have as much speed or more than he does and play disciplined. Defenders will close on him fast. He cannot make them miss when they do and he doesen't have the power to break thier tackles either.

I think it is wishful thinking for this guy to be anything more than a backup in the NFL and he will never be useful in FF.

 

[Team Legacy]

This guy has no agility no wiggle. Look at the youtubes posted above. The guy has to gather himself for a long time to turn the corner and he cannot make people miss running inside or in space (most of his carries are in space).He does not have much power for his size either. He has straight line speed and that basicly about it. He took advantage of playing in a spread offense that made huge creases for him to run through. Those holes will not be there in the NFL where defenders have as much speed or more than he does and play disciplined. Defenders will close on him fast. He cannot make them miss when they do and he doesen't have the power to break thier tackles either.I think it is wishful thinking for this guy to be anything more than a backup in the NFL and he will never be useful in FF.

for future referenceSeems I remember you comparing him as equal to Jacobs, but I could be wrong.

 

[Biabreakable]

This guy has no agility no wiggle. Look at the youtubes posted above. The guy has to gather himself for a long time to turn the corner and he cannot make people miss running inside or in space (most of his carries are in space).He does not have much power for his size either. He has straight line speed and that basicly about it. He took advantage of playing in a spread offense that made huge creases for him to run through. Those holes will not be there in the NFL where defenders have as much speed or more than he does and play disciplined. Defenders will close on him fast. He cannot make them miss when they do and he doesen't have the power to break thier tackles either.I think it is wishful thinking for this guy to be anything more than a backup in the NFL and he will never be useful in FF.

for future referenceSeems I remember you comparing him as equal to Jacobs, but I could be wrong.

No I have compared him to Craig Ironhead Heyward and that was being kind to him.A poor mans Duckett.

 

[treat88]

p.s. I do know this. comparing him to Shelton as Ive sen many times does Bush a diservice..... he was a far supperior back in college than Shelton......

Let's be accurate. I didn't say he was like Eric Shelton.I said he was Shelton with a limp.The Heyward comparison is being generous. Duckett has more body lean/power.I'm just not a fan of RB's that have mediocre speed, no wiggle, below average cutback vision, and are short a limb. Even with a tap dancers feet.

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Are you guys watching the same highlights I am?

Click on highlight video 2 and focus on between the 3 and 5 minute mark. You see the speed, the cutback, the quick feet, he even throws in a sick spin move for good measure. He's not barry, but who is? It looks he has far more wiggle than pro bowl types such as eddie george and corey dillon had. In fact, he looks just as nimble as shaun alexander in my opinion. Mel Kiper himself said this guy could be the next Shaun Alexander on draft day. Obviously he is still a huge question mark, but I don't know how anyone can look at those highlights and say he has no future.

 

[treat88]

Are you guys watching the same highlights I am?

That's the key to your observation.Every player looks good in their highlights. Bush is a great athlete he looks excellent on rare occasions.

It's the other 99% of his runs that the detractors are talking about