Michael "The Burner" Turner (1 Viewer)

[stbugs]

Just seems to me that, if your organization needs a RB and your organization rates M. Turner equal to or greater then say a M. Lynch, why wouldn't you be willing to trade a first to aquire Turner. For example, say the Jets decide they need a RB. I doubt Lynch makes it to them at pick #25. At that point, if the Jets as an organization feel Turner is better then say a M. Bush (#3 ranked RB in the draft) and maybe even equal to or greater then a Lynch, why wouldn't they pay the Chargers the 1st round compensation to sign him? Turner is going to require some cash as would any first round RB. The cash value would be very similar. If the Jets say Turner is as good as Lynch, it would cost the Jets pick #25 plus some more picks to move up in the top 15 to take Lynch. Smart move would be to just give up the first (to the Chargers) as compensation for signing Turner as a restricted free agent. I guess it just makes sense as an organization to sign Turner, if (a) your biggest need is a RB and (b) as an organization you rank Turner equal to or greater then Lynch. I would even think it would cost the Jets pick #25 and a 3rd to move into the top ten. So even if the Chargers tender Turner with a 1st and 3rd compensation, it still might make some sense.

This is the way I see it......But I think that a team(Jets,Giants) could get Turner for their 1st round pick and would not have to give their 3rd rounder. From the comments that AJ has made it seems that he wants to get some value for Turner.

In the end, I think the Jets get him for one of their seconds. I think the Chargers put a 1st round tender on him to see if anyone bites. When the dust settles, the Jets offer the Chargers one of their 2nd round picks and the deal gets done.

I agree that I think San Diego would bite for a low 1st or an early to mid 2nd. With Tomlinson's being the iron man he is, I think San Diego would be crazy not to get value for him now. He had 80 carries in 2006, including 34 of those in 2 routs (27-0 and 40-7) and a meaningless week 17. He may be the best backup RB in the NFL, but he is easily replaceable and not that important to them.Also, here is a blurb on compensatory draft picks:

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council.

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.People keep assuming that Turner equals a 3rd, but I don't think that is the case. It is based on the total net loss for a team and teams could receive multiple ones in different rounds. I think based on the formula, there is no way Turner = 3rd round pick by himself. San Diego is not losing a Super Bowl MVP or Pro-Bowler or a starter.One other note, a compensatory pick is at the end of a round so a 3rd round compensatory is basically the 1st pick in the 4th round. It is not equivalent to the average 3rd round pick.

 

[Yitbos69]

Just seems to me that, if your organization needs a RB and your organization rates M. Turner equal to or greater then say a M. Lynch, why wouldn't you be willing to trade a first to aquire Turner. For example, say the Jets decide they need a RB. I doubt Lynch makes it to them at pick #25. At that point, if the Jets as an organization feel Turner is better then say a M. Bush (#3 ranked RB in the draft) and maybe even equal to or greater then a Lynch, why wouldn't they pay the Chargers the 1st round compensation to sign him? Turner is going to require some cash as would any first round RB. The cash value would be very similar. If the Jets say Turner is as good as Lynch, it would cost the Jets pick #25 plus some more picks to move up in the top 15 to take Lynch. Smart move would be to just give up the first (to the Chargers) as compensation for signing Turner as a restricted free agent. I guess it just makes sense as an organization to sign Turner, if (a) your biggest need is a RB and (b) as an organization you rank Turner equal to or greater then Lynch. I would even think it would cost the Jets pick #25 and a 3rd to move into the top ten. So even if the Chargers tender Turner with a 1st and 3rd compensation, it still might make some sense.

This is the way I see it......But I think that a team(Jets,Giants) could get Turner for their 1st round pick and would not have to give their 3rd rounder. From the comments that AJ has made it seems that he wants to get some value for Turner.

In the end, I think the Jets get him for one of their seconds. I think the Chargers put a 1st round tender on him to see if anyone bites. When the dust settles, the Jets offer the Chargers one of their 2nd round picks and the deal gets done.

I agree that I think San Diego would bite for a low 1st or an early to mid 2nd. With Tomlinson's being the iron man he is, I think San Diego would be crazy not to get value for him now. He had 80 carries in 2006, including 34 of those in 2 routs (27-0 and 40-7) and a meaningless week 17. He may be the best backup RB in the NFL, but he is easily replaceable and not that important to them.Also, here is a blurb on compensatory draft picks:

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council.

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.People keep assuming that Turner equals a 3rd, but I don't think that is the case. It is based on the total net loss for a team and teams could receive multiple ones in different rounds. I think based on the formula, there is no way Turner = 3rd round pick by himself. San Diego is not losing a Super Bowl MVP or Pro-Bowler or a starter.

One other note, a compensatory pick is at the end of a round so a 3rd round compensatory is basically the 1st pick in the 4th round. It is not equivalent to the average 3rd round pick.

I thought that compensatory picks were for UFA. And that RFA picks were based on the(contract) amount offered by the players current team.

 

[nygiants56]

off the top of my head i was thinking top 10, but after looking at it more closely, i think more like top 15-20... but with top 10 upside... this is the point where it would be helpful to know where he lands... the margin for error based on not knowing where he lands & making estimate/projection very likely exceeds the roughly 5 RB increment i'm using in trying to peg value as top 10-15-20-25, etc...

My ranking is based on the opinion that he'll be stuck behind L.T. for another year.

Mine too. The SP can start all of the threads in the world about Turner's RFA status, but nobody is ponying up a 1st round pick + for him.

J-E-T-Sthere's been a lot of talk in the NY media lately about Turner , whether the Giants go after him, or the Jets. Jets have 2 second round picks and Brian Shottenheimer as OC, who is very familiar with Turner from working with him in SD.Jets need a starting RB, so they will be actively looking for a F/a ..Houston and Washington are two good,young, role-type players, but they need a guy like Turner.

 

[Mister CIA]

Just to cover all the bases, is Ladainian still firmly against appearing on a Madden game cover? If I'm running the Chargers' FO, that's where I begin the decision-making process.

 

[-OZ-]

1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/1979

2. Larry Johnson 11/19/1979

3. Steven Jackson 7/22/1983

4. Shaun Alexander 8/30/1977

5. Clinton Portis 9/1/1981

6. Frank Gore 5/14/1983

7. Ronnie Brown 12/12/1981

8. Brian Westbrook 9/2/1979

9t. Kevin Jones 8/21/1982

9t. Reggie Bush 3/2/1985

11. Willie Parker 11/11/1980

12. Laurence Maroney 2/5/1985

13. Joseph Addai 5/3/1983

14. Rudi Johnson 10/1/1979

15. Willis McGahee 10/20/1981

16. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/1985

17. Adrian Peterson 3/21/1985

18. Carnell Williams 4/21/1982

19. Chester Taylor 9/22/1979

20. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/1983

21. Cedric Benson 12/28/1982

22. Marion BarberIII 6/10/1983

right around MB3 seems right to me, maybe a bit higher, but not above Caddy/MJD/AD

FWIW, although it is a 3-4, any chance Vilma fits better in San Diego than NY?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.

I'm pretty sure it's based on playing time and post-season honors with the new team, not the old team, and I think Turner will be fine in those categories.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I thought that compensatory picks were for UFA. And that RFA picks were based on the(contract) amount offered by the players current team.

Right. Turner will be a UFA after 2007 if he remains with the Chargers this year.

 

[Yitbos69]

What effect will Marty getting the boot have on the Turner situation if any?

 

[Bevo]

about where would SP rank turner?for the purposes of this question, lets factor in he is probably behind LT one more season & then is unleashed to become a feature RB somewhere in 08... this is complicated to assign value relative to other RBs since his eventual destination is unknown... but not impossible (maybe think of spread of possible destinations with range from bad to good, & try & average that projection/expectation)...if a dynasty draft were held TODAY... would he be a top 10-15-20-25 RB?

Existing dynasty league or new dynasty league?I am thinking that in an existing league he might be more valuable to a team that has a couple of viable starting RBs can afford to wait for a year on him so maybe value around 20. In a new league I would probably want someone that can produce for me next year and that makes him less valuable as I need to get 2 starters before I can even think about him so maybe 30 - 35.

 

[fatness]

What effect will Marty getting the boot have on the Turner situation if any?

That depends on who they hire as HC. Norv Turner is pretty good for RB's for example............

 

[stbugs]

I agree that I think San Diego would bite for a low 1st or an early to mid 2nd. With Tomlinson's being the iron man he is, I think San Diego would be crazy not to get value for him now. He had 80 carries in 2006, including 34 of those in 2 routs (27-0 and 40-7) and a meaningless week 17. He may be the best backup RB in the NFL, but he is easily replaceable and not that important to them.

Also, here is a blurb on compensatory draft picks:

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council.

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.People keep assuming that Turner equals a 3rd, but I don't think that is the case. It is based on the total net loss for a team and teams could receive multiple ones in different rounds. I think based on the formula, there is no way Turner = 3rd round pick by himself. San Diego is not losing a Super Bowl MVP or Pro-Bowler or a starter.

One other note, a compensatory pick is at the end of a round so a 3rd round compensatory is basically the 1st pick in the 4th round. It is not equivalent to the average 3rd round pick.

I thought that compensatory picks were for UFA. And that RFA picks were based on the(contract) amount offered by the players current team.

It is. I was referring to the people that were saying that Turner automatically gives the Chargers a 3rd round compensatory pick if he left after the 2007 season as an UFA.Their argument for not trading him for a late 1st/early 2nd was that they could keep him for a run in 2007 and then at worst get a 2008 (or 2009?) 3rd round draft pick.

 

[stbugs]

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.

I'm pretty sure it's based on playing time and post-season honors with the new team, not the old team, and I think Turner will be fine in those categories.

Do you have a link or anything like that with that information?Everything I have ever searched for just gave the details but nothing about what year/what team for which the criteria was. Also, it always says it is based on the overall team loss, so I don't know if a Pro-Bowler individually equals a 3rd round pick.

Also, let's say that is the case and it is based on the future team's playing time. If so, then the best possible scenario for compensation as an UFA would be a 2009 pick at the end of the 3rd round. If not, then the best possible scenario is a 2008 pick much later than the 3rd round.

Now, what I don't quite get is why it would be based on the future team's playing time/postseason honors. How would that show what the Chargers lost? So if a backup that the Chargers never (let's say someone other than Turner) intended to re-sign at the end of his contract joined another team and went to the Pro-Bowl, then the Chargers would actually get rewarded for that? On the same note, if a Pro-Bowler left the Chargers because they couldn't afford him and he got injured and missed the entire year, then they would get no compensation?

Personally, it seems to me that it would be more appropriate if the Chargers get compensated based on what the person meant to the Chargers, not what they mean to the new team. The new team might just be smarter and use them better, say like the Vikings used Cris Carter instead of the Eagles. I can see where the FA salary could be used as that would show some value, but playing time/post season honors make more sense to me to be based on what they did for the former team.

IMHO, weighing the decision between a 2007 late 1st/early 2nd and a 2009 pick at the end of the 3rd round is a no brainer for a team challenging for the Super Bowl. That is potentially 32 games for a guy who could be Reggie Wayne or Anquan Boldin instead of 80 carries for my backup RB. Crazy that they would even consider it, especially since LT2 is an iron man and if he goes down for the year, they are not the same team.

 

[Yitbos69]

I agree that I think San Diego would bite for a low 1st or an early to mid 2nd. With Tomlinson's being the iron man he is, I think San Diego would be crazy not to get value for him now. He had 80 carries in 2006, including 34 of those in 2 routs (27-0 and 40-7) and a meaningless week 17. He may be the best backup RB in the NFL, but he is easily replaceable and not that important to them.

Also, here is a blurb on compensatory draft picks:

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council.

If you look at this, Turner is going to be near rock bottom for playing time and postseason honors. His salary, not sure of that because I don't know if it is current, new contract or a combination of both.People keep assuming that Turner equals a 3rd, but I don't think that is the case. It is based on the total net loss for a team and teams could receive multiple ones in different rounds. I think based on the formula, there is no way Turner = 3rd round pick by himself. San Diego is not losing a Super Bowl MVP or Pro-Bowler or a starter.

One other note, a compensatory pick is at the end of a round so a 3rd round compensatory is basically the 1st pick in the 4th round. It is not equivalent to the average 3rd round pick.

I thought that compensatory picks were for UFA. And that RFA picks were based on the(contract) amount offered by the players current team.

It is. I was referring to the people that were saying that Turner automatically gives the Chargers a 3rd round compensatory pick if he left after the 2007 season as an UFA.Their argument for not trading him for a late 1st/early 2nd was that they could keep him for a run in 2007 and then at worst get a 2008 (or 2009?) 3rd round draft pick.

I see..missed that.

 

[Liquid Tension]

1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/19792. Larry Johnson 11/19/19793. Steven Jackson 7/22/19834. Shaun Alexander 8/30/19775. Clinton Portis 9/1/19816. Frank Gore 5/14/19837. Ronnie Brown 12/12/19818. Brian Westbrook 9/2/19799t. Kevin Jones 8/21/19829t. Reggie Bush 3/2/198511. Willie Parker 11/11/198012. Laurence Maroney 2/5/198513. Joseph Addai 5/3/198314. Rudi Johnson 10/1/197915. Willis McGahee 10/20/198116. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/198517. Adrian Peterson 3/21/198518. Carnell Williams 4/21/198219. Chester Taylor 9/22/197920. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/198321. Cedric Benson 12/28/198222. Marion BarberIII 6/10/1983right around MB3 seems right to me, maybe a bit higher, but not above Caddy/MJD/ADFWIW, although it is a 3-4, any chance Vilma fits better in San Diego than NY?

Ahhh, the short sighted thinkers... I think you have to decide his talent level. My opinion is he is a top 15 talent level based on what I see. He is a rich mans Lamont Jordan and while Jordan has not done well some blame is on the Raiders team. If I have to wait a year for Turner I would and therefore I would absolutely draft him ahead of MBIII and many others on this list.

 

[Jack Ham & Eggs]

If he winds up on a team that features him, I think he's Top 10 and possibly Top 5. I realize he benefits from coming in as the change of pace to the best back in the game, but he's an absolute beast. He has that low center gravity and huge legs he just keeps churning. He might be the hardest back to bring down in the NFL.

 

[-OZ-]

1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/19792. Larry Johnson 11/19/19793. Steven Jackson 7/22/19834. Shaun Alexander 8/30/19775. Clinton Portis 9/1/19816. Frank Gore 5/14/19837. Ronnie Brown 12/12/19818. Brian Westbrook 9/2/19799t. Kevin Jones 8/21/19829t. Reggie Bush 3/2/198511. Willie Parker 11/11/198012. Laurence Maroney 2/5/198513. Joseph Addai 5/3/198314. Rudi Johnson 10/1/197915. Willis McGahee 10/20/198116. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/198517. Adrian Peterson 3/21/198518. Carnell Williams 4/21/198219. Chester Taylor 9/22/197920. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/198321. Cedric Benson 12/28/198222. Marion BarberIII 6/10/1983right around MB3 seems right to me, maybe a bit higher, but not above Caddy/MJD/ADFWIW, although it is a 3-4, any chance Vilma fits better in San Diego than NY?

Ahhh, the short sighted thinkers... I think you have to decide his talent level. My opinion is he is a top 15 talent level based on what I see. He is a rich mans Lamont Jordan and while Jordan has not done well some blame is on the Raiders team. If I have to wait a year for Turner I would and therefore I would absolutely draft him ahead of MBIII and many others on this list.

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

 

[Liquid Tension]

1. Ladainian Tomlinson 6/23/19792. Larry Johnson 11/19/19793. Steven Jackson 7/22/19834. Shaun Alexander 8/30/19775. Clinton Portis 9/1/19816. Frank Gore 5/14/19837. Ronnie Brown 12/12/19818. Brian Westbrook 9/2/19799t. Kevin Jones 8/21/19829t. Reggie Bush 3/2/198511. Willie Parker 11/11/198012. Laurence Maroney 2/5/198513. Joseph Addai 5/3/198314. Rudi Johnson 10/1/197915. Willis McGahee 10/20/198116. Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/198517. Adrian Peterson 3/21/198518. Carnell Williams 4/21/198219. Chester Taylor 9/22/197920. DeAngelo Williams 4/25/198321. Cedric Benson 12/28/198222. Marion BarberIII 6/10/1983right around MB3 seems right to me, maybe a bit higher, but not above Caddy/MJD/ADFWIW, although it is a 3-4, any chance Vilma fits better in San Diego than NY?

Ahhh, the short sighted thinkers... I think you have to decide his talent level. My opinion is he is a top 15 talent level based on what I see. He is a rich mans Lamont Jordan and while Jordan has not done well some blame is on the Raiders team. If I have to wait a year for Turner I would and therefore I would absolutely draft him ahead of MBIII and many others on this list.

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

Caddy runs in a way where he will have trouble staying healthy IMO. Addai is a decent guy, but as you saw Dom Rhodes is just as effective as he is. MJD is very interesting and you could argue that he is the real deal. MBIII doesn't have near the burst, speed or power of Turner. Turner is very low to the ground and very stable, yet has excellent top end speed. Talent wise, Turner is much better than Barber IMO. I also would not put Adrian Peterson ahead of Turner in any way (at least at this point). Turner is much better than Chester Taylor. Put Turner in Minnesota and you would see a huge difference in the running attack. I would have Turner above Benson and possibly D. Williams as well.Like I said long term (Dynasty) thinking. I would not place him ahead of some of those guys for a redraft until he moves to a good run blocking team. Talent wise Turner is better than many on this list, of course the supporting cast is a large part of dictating how much fantasy value he will end up with.

 

[-OZ-]

I also would not put Adrian Peterson ahead of Turner in any way (at least at this point). Like I said long term (Dynasty) thinking. I would not place him ahead of some of those guys for a redraft until he moves to a good run blocking team. Talent wise Turner is better than many on this list, of course the supporting cast is a large part of dictating how much fantasy value he will end up with.

I won't get further into this argument, but to say Peterson isn't ahead of Turner "in any way" shows me you haven't see Peterson play. You can argue it's college, risk, etc. but for pure talent, Peterson is among the top 5. I don't believe Turner is quite there.

 

[switz]

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

Had Turner not gone to a small school, he would have been one of the top RBs drafted in his class. Watch him on the field, and do some research on his credentials.

 

[MelKiperJr]

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

Had Turner not gone to a small school, he would have been one of the top RBs drafted in his class. Watch him on the field, and do some research on his credentials.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I also would not put Adrian Peterson ahead of Turner in any way (at least at this point). Like I said long term (Dynasty) thinking. I would not place him ahead of some of those guys for a redraft until he moves to a good run blocking team. Talent wise Turner is better than many on this list, of course the supporting cast is a large part of dictating how much fantasy value he will end up with.

I won't get further into this argument, but to say Peterson isn't ahead of Turner "in any way" shows me you haven't see Peterson play. You can argue it's college, risk, etc. but for pure talent, Peterson is among the top 5. I don't believe Turner is quite there.

The hype guys get coming out of college amazes me. Year in and year out they are not as good as the hype. Bush did real well this year and was not great. I would MUCH rather take my chances on a guy after seeing how he did against pro football players.That being said, I admit I have not watched Peterson play other than highlights.

 

[Hawk]

I also would not put Adrian Peterson ahead of Turner in any way (at least at this point). Like I said long term (Dynasty) thinking. I would not place him ahead of some of those guys for a redraft until he moves to a good run blocking team. Talent wise Turner is better than many on this list, of course the supporting cast is a large part of dictating how much fantasy value he will end up with.

I won't get further into this argument, but to say Peterson isn't ahead of Turner "in any way" shows me you haven't see Peterson play. You can argue it's college, risk, etc. but for pure talent, Peterson is among the top 5. I don't believe Turner is quite there.

The hype guys get coming out of college amazes me. Year in and year out they are not as good as the hype. Bush did real well this year and was not great. I would MUCH rather take my chances on a guy after seeing how he did against pro football players.That being said, I admit I have not watched Peterson play other than highlights.

Peterson is better IMO, but I'm not sure he'll be more productive. He's injury prone and I'm not sure his body can hold up to his physical style of running in the NFL. I'm afraid he'll be a more talented Chris Brown. Capable of huge games when he's healthy, but rarely healthy.

 

[switz]

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

Had Turner not gone to a small school, he would have been one of the top RBs drafted in his class. Watch him on the field, and do some research on his credentials.

OK, let me restate it.Had Turner not come from Northern Illinois, he would have been rated higher by the draftiks and scouts, and probably would have been drafted right after Steven Jackson and Kevin Jones to start for a team. He would not have gone behind scrubs like Mewelde Moore and Greg Jones.Honestly, I think he's better than Kevin Jones.If you watch his college and NFL film, look back into his pedigree a bit, it should be very apparent that he's a top notch NFL starting calibre RB.

 

[-OZ-]

Short term? Maybe, but do you really find Turner to be that much better than MB3? I have Turner in my main league and don't see him as a better RB if both were given lead jobs. I really don't see how he's a better talent than Caddy/MJD/AD. Please feel free to convince me otherwise.

Had Turner not gone to a small school, he would have been one of the top RBs drafted in his class. Watch him on the field, and do some research on his credentials.

OK, let me restate it.Had Turner not come from Northern Illinois, he would have been rated higher by the draftiks and scouts, and probably would have been drafted right after Steven Jackson and Kevin Jones to start for a team. He would not have gone behind scrubs like Mewelde Moore and Greg Jones.Honestly, I think he's better than Kevin Jones.If you watch his college and NFL film, look back into his pedigree a bit, it should be very apparent that he's a top notch NFL starting calibre RB.

FWIW, I think you're right, but just keep in mind that Texas Christian isn't a big program.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

FWIW, I think you're right, but just keep in mind that Texas Christian isn't a big program.

True, and probably largely for that reason, Tomlinson was pegged as a late first-rounder until he wowed people at the Senior Bowl. (He and Deuce McAllister, who skipped the Senior Bowl with a minor injury, basically swapped draft positions that week.)Tomlinson was more productive than Turner in college, but maybe not by as much as you'd think. Tomlinson left TCU as the sixth-leading rusher in NCAA history (5,263 yards), while Turner left Northern Illinois as the 13th leading rusher (4,941 yards). (And Darren Sproles left KSU as the 10th leading rusher in NCAA history with 4,979 rushing yards.)

 

[-OZ-]

FWIW, I think you're right, but just keep in mind that Texas Christian isn't a big program.

True, and probably largely for that reason, Tomlinson was pegged as a late first-rounder until he wowed people at the Senior Bowl. (He and Deuce McAllister, who skipped the Senior Bowl with a minor injury, basically swapped draft positions that week.)Tomlinson was more productive than Turner in college, but maybe not by as much as you'd think. Tomlinson left TCU as the sixth-leading rusher in NCAA history (5,263 yards), while Turner left Northern Illinois as the 13th leading rusher (4,941 yards). (And Darren Sproles left KSU as the 10th leading rusher in NCAA history with 4,979 rushing yards.)

Yep. As a MAC alum, I follow most MAC players, at least those who warrant watching, so Turner was one I was very interested in. I think he's an upper level talent, but not in the same category as LT. Also keep in mind, NFL teams have not had a difficult time taking MAC players in the 1st round. Just to say there were other questions with Turner, other than the school / competition.