Michael Turner... Time to sell? (1 Viewer)

[Gbagzz]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

 

[strifetoe]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

 

[Donsmith753]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?



In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

Why? You should have accepted this without even thinking.

 

[Shutout]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

 

[JuniorNB]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point

If not for the big runs, Barry Sanders would have been considered a bust his entire career.

 

[HornedOne]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point

If not for the big runs, Barry Sanders would have been considered a bust his entire career.

The difference is that Barry could create big plays even when there was little room available. Plus he was good for 1500 yards a season. Turner now requires a big gaping hole to break a big run and even then has lost the speed to house it after the rare occasions he breaks loose. I own him in a keeper league but I know his days as legitimate threat are just about over. Barry was a RB1 till the end - almost 1800 total yards in his last year.

 

[The Hank]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The problem is that all 3 of the games ATL have been in they've been trailing for the most part, which necessitates more passing from Ryan and less running from Turner.That being said, he looks slow and tentative; then busts out a 60+ yd run out of no where and ends up with a decent day overall

 

[Warrior]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point

If not for the big runs, Barry Sanders would have been considered a bust his entire career.

The difference is that Barry could create big plays even when there was little room available. Plus he was good for 1500 yards a season. Turner now requires a big gaping hole to break a big run and even then has lost the speed to house it after the rare occasions he breaks loose. I own him in a keeper league but I know his days as legitimate threat are just about over. Barry was a RB1 till the end - almost 1800 total yards in his last year.

:wooooosh: seriously, dude...he wasn't saying Turner is better than Sanders. He was pointing out that Turner is responsible for his big runs. If it's because of a 'gaping hole' that his line created, how is that possible a knock against him? I'll take a RB whose line creates 'gaping holes' for him anytime.

Way to take this on a total tangent

 

[Warrior]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The problem is that all 3 of the games ATL have been in they've been trailing for the most part, which necessitates more passing from Ryan and less running from Turner.That being said, he looks slow and tentative; then busts out a 60+ yd run out of no where and ends up with a decent day overall

Again...knocking him for busting out a 60+ yard run? Give me a break.

 

[bumpman]

I've owned Michael Turner for most of his career, going back to his SD days. If you check, you will see that Turner has historically performed mediocre against TB when playing them at TB. Here are the stats:

2008 @ TB: 14-42, 0 TD

2009 @ TB: injured

2010 @ TB: 24-88, 1 TD

He went on to have big years in 2008 and 2010 (including big games against TB those years when they played at Atlanta).

One thing you need to be aware of with Turner is that he usually does much better at home, as does the entire Atlanta offense. He will have some lackluster games away and then come back and hang three rushing TDs at home. Even if his breakaway speed is falling off, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best goal-line backs in the game and one of the few franchise backs left in a RBBC league. Go ahead and sell him if you want, but good luck finding a RB who will get you 1500 total yards and 13+ TDS to replace him.

Edited to add: have you noticed that Turner already has about as many receiving yards in three games as he had all last year? He was a decent receiver in SD. Atlanta may finally be recognizing that.

 

[The Hank]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The problem is that all 3 of the games ATL have been in they've been trailing for the most part, which necessitates more passing from Ryan and less running from Turner.That being said, he looks slow and tentative; then busts out a 60+ yd run out of no where and ends up with a decent day overall

Again...knocking him for busting out a 60+ yard run? Give me a break.

Not knocking him, just saying for most of the game he puts up less-than pedestrian #'s and then has 1 massive run to end up with a decent day. I stated also that right now his #'s are as low as they are right now because they havent really been in a position to run; as they were behind in all 3 of the games so far this year.As a Turner owner, I'm fine with that 60 yd run as long as at the end of the day he has his yards and a token TD or two

 

[domvin]

I've owned Michael Turner for most of his career, going back to his SD days. If you check, you will see that Turner has historically performed mediocre against TB when playing them at TB. Here are the stats:2008 @ TB: 14-42, 0 TD2009 @ TB: injured2010 @ TB: 24-88, 1 TDHe went on to have big years in 2008 and 2010 (including big games against TB those years when they played at Atlanta).One thing you need to be aware of with Turner is that he usually does much better at home, as does the entire Atlanta offense. He will have some lackluster games away and then come back and hang three rushing TDs at home. Even if his breakaway speed is falling off, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best goal-line backs in the game and one of the few franchise backs left in a RBBC league. Go ahead and sell him if you want, but good luck finding a RB who will get you 1500 total yards and 13+ TDS to replace him.Edited to add: have you noticed that Turner already has about as many receiving yards in three games as he had all last year? He was a decent receiver in SD. Atlanta may finally be recognizing that.

Good points on his past performance, I just don't think it's indicative of his future.He's getting older, and has accumulated a lot of touches....

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point

If not for the big runs, Barry Sanders would have been considered a bust his entire career.

The difference is that Barry could create big plays even when there was little room available. Plus he was good for 1500 yards a season. Turner now requires a big gaping hole to break a big run and even then has lost the speed to house it after the rare occasions he breaks loose. I own him in a keeper league but I know his days as legitimate threat are just about over. Barry was a RB1 till the end - almost 1800 total yards in his last year.

:wooooosh: seriously, dude...he wasn't saying Turner is better than Sanders. He was pointing out that Turner is responsible for his big runs. If it's because of a 'gaping hole' that his line created, how is that possible a knock against him? I'll take a RB whose line creates 'gaping holes' for him anytime.

Way to take this on a total tangent

I think his point is that for Turner those long runs were an aberration. With a guy like Sanders (and with many RBs) you can't discount the big plays because it happens with a fair amount of regularity. Entering this season Turner, even as a top FF running back, had two runs over 40 yards in the last two years combined.He skated by on a couple of big runs early in the year which normally isn't an issue. However if Turner's history is any indication you're probably looking at 1 or even 0 more of those runs the rest of the way so if that's what you're relying on to get a decent fantasy game out of him, they could be few and far between.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's a fair point to consider. Comparing Turner to Sanders in big plays is just silly, just like it would be silly to use a couple of short TD runs as an indicator of future fantasy value with CJ Spiller (will probably be rare) as with Adrian Peterson (will probably be common).

 

[Dippa]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

 

[Wildcat]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

Really drives me nuts when people say "well if you take his big run away . . " As you pointed out, you could say that about almost any player.

 

[Shutout]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

 

[Shutout]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

Really drives me nuts when people say "well if you take his big run away . . " As you pointed out, you could say that about almost any player.

Its almost as frustrating as when a person piggy backs onto someone else's statement that was incorrectly read and understood. I never said take the plays away. I was pointing out that one big play in each game is the only thing that garners the illusion that Turner is still producing. There is a difference and that difference is "from someone who has owned him for several years" AND WATCHED his games (not just his stats) during that time, I can assure you that he is nowhere near the same player he was as recently as two years ago. He IS fading and it is happening fast.

So, in answer to the question: yes, sell him because the value only goes down from here.

The facts are that before 2009, he never had a long run of the year LESS THAN 70 yards. He used to rip them off routinely.

In the past three years (this year included), he has had much fewer and NONE have been more than the 61 yarder he had in week 2.

In 2009, he had 6 games of 65 yards or less.

In 2010, that jumped to 9 games of 65 or less.

He got absolutely shut down by every decent team he played last year and only had good games against the teams that are known to have weak run defenses.

Contrary to what was stated above, Turner DID have a good game against Tampa just last year. 107 yards and 2 Tds. So 9 months ago he did well. Last week, he did not.

People throw out 1500 yards and 10+Tds like it is a given. It is NOT a given anymore. He is fading almost as fast as Jamal Lewis did (but not as fast as Shaun Alexander did).

So, again, the question was should he be sold. The answer is yes he should because he will not end up as a RB that will carry your team this year and in dynasty he won't be worth any more than Willis McGahee is now.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

 

[Lester Long]

If I was gonna sell Turner for Fitzgerald I would not throw someone else in the mix. Turner is as valuable as Fitz by himself.Turner is averaging 100 yards a game quietly and then give up Boldin to? I would not do it.

 

[Shutout]

I've owned Michael Turner for most of his career, going back to his SD days. If you check, you will see that Turner has historically performed mediocre against TB when playing them at TB. Here are the stats:

2008 @ TB: 14-42, 0 TD

2009 @ TB: injured

2010 @ TB: 24-88, 1 TD

He went on to have big years in 2008 and 2010 (including big games against TB those years when they played at Atlanta).

One thing you need to be aware of with Turner is that he usually does much better at home, as does the entire Atlanta offense. He will have some lackluster games away and then come back and hang three rushing TDs at home. Even if his breakaway speed is falling off, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best goal-line backs in the game and one of the few franchise backs left in a RBBC league. Go ahead and sell him if you want, but good luck finding a RB who will get you 1500 total yards and 13+ TDS to replace him.

Edited to add: have you noticed that Turner already has about as many receiving yards in three games as he had all last year? He was a decent receiver in SD. Atlanta may finally be recognizing that.

You left out that last year, he had a 107/2TD game against Tampa also...that is not bad. Also, in 2008, he had a 152/1Td game against Tampa. Gotta use ALL the stats if you want to use them. His best four games of the year last year were on the road (at Saints, Browns, Rams, Panthers). A few years ago he had a HUGE game on the road in Sanfran. Conversley, he had 5 games last year of ~70 or LESS at home.

In reality, the one thing that he has done in the last 3 years is he has feasted on the Saints, Panthers, and Redskins when he has played them. And against teams that were just BAD teams (detroit in '08, Rams and Skins in '09) he has done well. But against average to good teams, he has been nothing special for a while now.

 

[Shutout]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

No sir, I notice that you and about 5 other people interpreted what was said to mean what you wanted to hear. There is a difference between saying "take the runs away" (which I did not) and pointing out that one play in each game has skewed the data to make it appear that he is overall productive.In following posts, I have outlined his decrease in production, shown the tie in that he has played against a few teams well, has struggled a great deal in as many as 9 games last year, has faired very poorly against the better teams in the league, and, in general, illustrated his decline in big plays and overall play.

I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care about what you do with YOUR team. But I HAVE answered the OP's question correctly because the fact is, in the past 8 games played, he has averaged at least 4 YPC one time and if you take out a 50 yard gain late in chicago when the game was out of reach, then he has barely averaged 3 ypc in the last half-year of games. If that is what you consider a top RB, then so be it. But I do not think that is what most people are looking for from one of their everyweek starting RBs.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

No sir, I notice that you and about 5 other people interpreted what was said to mean what you wanted to hear. There is a difference between saying "take the runs away" (which I did not) and pointing out that one play in each game has skewed the data to make it appear that he is overall productive.In following posts, I have outlined his decrease in production, shown the tie in that he has played against a few teams well, has struggled a great deal in as many as 9 games last year, has faired very poorly against the better teams in the league, and, in general, illustrated his decline in big plays and overall play.

I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care about what you do with YOUR team. But I HAVE answered the OP's question correctly.

Why does he need so many carries, if he is getting the yards without them?I'm sure you will bring up last week, but everyone has a bad game here and there.

 

[Shutout]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

No sir, I notice that you and about 5 other people interpreted what was said to mean what you wanted to hear. There is a difference between saying "take the runs away" (which I did not) and pointing out that one play in each game has skewed the data to make it appear that he is overall productive.In following posts, I have outlined his decrease in production, shown the tie in that he has played against a few teams well, has struggled a great deal in as many as 9 games last year, has faired very poorly against the better teams in the league, and, in general, illustrated his decline in big plays and overall play.

I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care about what you do with YOUR team. But I HAVE answered the OP's question correctly.

Why does he need so many carries, if he is getting the yards without them?I'm sure you will bring up last week, but everyone has a bad game here and there.

Since 2009, in games when turner has had less than 20 carries in a game, he has averaged 3.31 yards per carry. He is a guy that needs a lot of carries and typically does not have a big gain (30+ yards) early in games. There is simply no denying that his YPC is declining. If he gets a big run and helps his cause, that's great. I'm just saying they are coming farther and fewer between and its happening quickly. This is the beginning of the year when guys are their healthiest. If we have this conversation again in December, I don't expect Turner to have improved over the course of the year.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

In dynasty, I would have sold a year or two ago. But I play PPR. To me, Jaquizz Rodgers is the guy to have. I really believe that he can handle the load there, and be a 3-down back playing the majority of all running and passing downs.

 

[Warhogs]

In dynasty I would say now is absolutely not the time to sell a guy like Turner unless your team is crap and you are going in rebuild mode. As others have said he was a sell a year or two ago if you wanted to maximize value. Now he falls into a category with guys like Reggie Wayne. You can still squeeze maybe another year or two of high level production out of them but their value in dynasty is so low right now that you are not likely to get any quality return in trade.

Maybe you can find an owner willing to trade some reasonable value but I have Turner in one of my four dynasty teams and there is next to no interest in him. I could maybe get a later 2nd round pick for him for example but with what he can produce for me I may as well ride him until he is done at this point. If you can find good value then absolutely take advantage of it.

 

[heropretend]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

Really drives me nuts when people say "well if you take his big run away . . " As you pointed out, you could say that about almost any player.

Its almost as frustrating as when a person piggy backs onto someone else's statement that was incorrectly read and understood. I never said take the plays away. I was pointing out that one big play in each game is the only thing that garners the illusion that Turner is still producing. There is a difference and that difference is "from someone who has owned him for several years" AND WATCHED his games (not just his stats) during that time, I can assure you that he is nowhere near the same player he was as recently as two years ago. He IS fading and it is happening fast.

So, in answer to the question: yes, sell him because the value only goes down from here.

The facts are that before 2009, he never had a long run of the year LESS THAN 70 yards. He used to rip them off routinely.

In the past three years (this year included), he has had much fewer and NONE have been more than the 61 yarder he had in week 2.

In 2009, he had 6 games of 65 yards or less.

In 2010, that jumped to 9 games of 65 or less.

He got absolutely shut down by every decent team he played last year and only had good games against the teams that are known to have weak run defenses.

Contrary to what was stated above, Turner DID have a good game against Tampa just last year. 107 yards and 2 Tds. So 9 months ago he did well. Last week, he did not.

People throw out 1500 yards and 10+Tds like it is a given. It is NOT a given anymore. He is fading almost as fast as Jamal Lewis did (but not as fast as Shaun Alexander did).

So, again, the question was should he be sold. The answer is yes he should because he will not end up as a RB that will carry your team this year and in dynasty he won't be worth any more than Willis McGahee is now.

this was a good post. much like a game of poker, fantasy football is a game of maximizing value. and the game of football is also about maximizing value.

turner's value is shot right now. and there is absolutely no reason to expect it to get any better. running backs receive few opportunities to take one to the house for 60 yards + a td and at the end of the year that's the difference between a stud rb and a rb2/flex rb. missing out on that td is the difference between carrying your team with 20+ points and just being another guy putting in a good week with 15 points.

the point i'm taking from shutout's argument is not the typical take away his one run for 60 yards argument. it's that your stud rb needs to get you a td in that spot and turner is no longer a stud rb.

 

[Hybrid]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

Really drives me nuts when people say "well if you take his big run away . . " As you pointed out, you could say that about almost any player.

Its almost as frustrating as when a person piggy backs onto someone else's statement that was incorrectly read and understood. I never said take the plays away. I was pointing out that one big play in each game is the only thing that garners the illusion that Turner is still producing. There is a difference and that difference is "from someone who has owned him for several years" AND WATCHED his games (not just his stats) during that time, I can assure you that he is nowhere near the same player he was as recently as two years ago. He IS fading and it is happening fast.

So, in answer to the question: yes, sell him because the value only goes down from here.

The facts are that before 2009, he never had a long run of the year LESS THAN 70 yards. He used to rip them off routinely.

In the past three years (this year included), he has had much fewer and NONE have been more than the 61 yarder he had in week 2.

In 2009, he had 6 games of 65 yards or less.

In 2010, that jumped to 9 games of 65 or less.

He got absolutely shut down by every decent team he played last year and only had good games against the teams that are known to have weak run defenses.

Contrary to what was stated above, Turner DID have a good game against Tampa just last year. 107 yards and 2 Tds. So 9 months ago he did well. Last week, he did not.

People throw out 1500 yards and 10+Tds like it is a given. It is NOT a given anymore. He is fading almost as fast as Jamal Lewis did (but not as fast as Shaun Alexander did).

So, again, the question was should he be sold. The answer is yes he should because he will not end up as a RB that will carry your team this year and in dynasty he won't be worth any more than Willis McGahee is now.

 

[Gbagzz]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

No need to be arrogant. I got him where he should've gone. Best available. The top 12 backs were off the board when I took him. I got lucky with a lot of value guys and was thinking about moving him... but I wanted some shark pool analysis first. I only know what I see but I don't know much about the Falcons.

 

[Gbagzz]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

How can you just take away Turner's big runs to judge him? Should we just take away Mike Wallace's 89 yard TD last week and call it a disappointing week? Big plays do count...It's not like it's just a fluke...Turner had 12 games with a 15+ yard run last year, 8 games with a 20+ yard run, and 7 games with a 25+ yard run (and that was with his knee wrapped all year). Sure, he may not have any more 50+ yard runs, but chances are good that he'll rip off quite a few 20+ yarders. The fullback and line open up a big hole and he capitalizes...so what, a big factor in fantasy production is the supporting cast. Part of his game is also picking up positive yardage against stacked boxes on obvious running downs, which hurts his fantasy stats, but is valuable to his team.

And I don't think the old Turner would have scored on those big runs either...he got run down by Tim Jennings (4.32 40 time) and Rodgers-Cromartie (4.28 40 time). I doubt any big backs in the league could have scored when those blazing fast corners had 50 yards to catch up. He's still going to be a touchdown machine IMO...no one in the past couple of years has gotten a higher percentage of carries when his team is inside the 10 yard line.

I have my concerns with Turner too, but I feel like the negativity regarding him has gone overboard. The O-line is a big concern that hopefully will improve now that McClure is back...Hawley was awful. If the line can improve, and the passing game starts clicking and takes some pressure off while providing scoring opportunities, I think Turner could be in for a great year.

Disclaimer: Turner owner and Falcons homer

Really drives me nuts when people say "well if you take his big run away . . " As you pointed out, you could say that about almost any player.

WowI really need to chose my words more carefully when posting here. I'm not trying to eliminate his big runs from the equation. What I'm saying is his attempts are way down. There s a difference between 100 yards on 20 carries and 100 yards on 10. I want the guy who gets the carries... who gets the attempts. His attempts are DOWN which is what worries me.

 

[Gbagzz]

If I was gonna sell Turner for Fitzgerald I would not throw someone else in the mix. Turner is as valuable as Fitz by himself.Turner is averaging 100 yards a game quietly and then give up Boldin to? I would not do it.

It's an auction league and he overpaid for Fitz. The only way I can get him under the cap is to give him Turner and one of my wideouts. Boldin is my #3. I'm concerned with Turners value. Am I selling low or panic selling....

 

[FarEastKilla]

After week 2 (after his big game), I Tried to package him together with Boldin or Greg Jennings for Chris Johnson..rejected, for foster...rejected, for McFadden...rejected, and for Hillis..REJECTED. Now I feel like a bag holder after his 20 yard game.

p.s.

In redraft league

 

[Englishteacher]

If I was gonna sell Turner for Fitzgerald I would not throw someone else in the mix. Turner is as valuable as Fitz by himself.Turner is averaging 100 yards a game quietly and then give up Boldin to? I would not do it.

It's an auction league and he overpaid for Fitz. The only way I can get him under the cap is to give him Turner and one of my wideouts. Boldin is my #3. I'm concerned with Turners value. Am I selling low or panic selling....

I'd wait until after this week when he blows up against Seattle.

 

[Lester Long]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

No sir, I notice that you and about 5 other people interpreted what was said to mean what you wanted to hear. There is a difference between saying "take the runs away" (which I did not) and pointing out that one play in each game has skewed the data to make it appear that he is overall productive.In following posts, I have outlined his decrease in production, shown the tie in that he has played against a few teams well, has struggled a great deal in as many as 9 games last year, has faired very poorly against the better teams in the league, and, in general, illustrated his decline in big plays and overall play.

I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care about what you do with YOUR team. But I HAVE answered the OP's question correctly because the fact is, in the past 8 games played, he has averaged at least 4 YPC one time and if you take out a 50 yard gain late in chicago when the game was out of reach, then he has barely averaged 3 ypc in the last half-year of games. If that is what you consider a top RB, then so be it. But I do not think that is what most people are looking for from one of their everyweek starting RBs.

If I can 100 yards a week I am happy. and that is what Turner has done for his owners.

 

[Lester Long]

If I was gonna sell Turner for Fitzgerald I would not throw someone else in the mix. Turner is as valuable as Fitz by himself.Turner is averaging 100 yards a game quietly and then give up Boldin to? I would not do it.

It's an auction league and he overpaid for Fitz. The only way I can get him under the cap is to give him Turner and one of my wideouts. Boldin is my #3. I'm concerned with Turners value. Am I selling low or panic selling....

It seems you are panic selling. I mean I could understand if you needed a WR badly but you eliminate that from being a factor when you give him a solid WR back (which you have stated why).

 

[Gbagzz]

If I was gonna sell Turner for Fitzgerald I would not throw someone else in the mix. Turner is as valuable as Fitz by himself.Turner is averaging 100 yards a game quietly and then give up Boldin to? I would not do it.

It's an auction league and he overpaid for Fitz. The only way I can get him under the cap is to give him Turner and one of my wideouts. Boldin is my #3. I'm concerned with Turners value. Am I selling low or panic selling....

It seems you are panic selling. I mean I could understand if you needed a WR badly but you eliminate that from being a factor when you give him a solid WR back (which you have stated why).

I have too many rbs... Turner, Blount, Bradshaw, Fred Jackson and Sproles. PPR and I can start 3. I paid the most for Turner but I'm getting more production out of the others. I lack a true #1 WR so that's the motive for my trade. Fitz would be in my starting lineup every week... where as turner was on my bench last week. I can't trade the others b/c I got them too cheap. I need to trade a more expensive back to free up the Cap room for Fitz.

 

[Gbagzz]

Line looks bad

He looks slow

Team as a whole looks off

He's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.

The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.

I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season.

If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?

In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

The time to sell was before the season. Everyone here already knew that.

This is true. If not for one big run in each of the first two games, Turner would be called a bust at this point and the more ominous thing to take from those runs is, two years ago, those were runs that he would have taken to the house.

I would sell him if I could if I were you and I would break my finger hitting the accept button on that Fitz offer if it is a dynasty league.

Why get 8 carries to get 60 yards, when you can do it in one. You dont need that many carries if your good enough to get the yards in less.Horrible argument to use, just down right horrible.

"TURNER YOU SUCK, YOU ONLY MAKE 60 YARD PLAYS, YOUR CUT!"

Seriously, how horrible does that sound?

It sounds better than anything I have seen you post in the last month for the most part.Obviously, you miss the big picture. The question was asked if it was time to sell and the answer is yes. If you have owned him, you KNOW that he is not capable of doing the things he did as recently as a year ago. that is about as much time as I am going to put into you today: Keep him and be wrong or sell him; your team, your choice.

You try to knock my posts, after you have the nerve to say "take his big runs away"? lol, comical.Notice how many people are knocking that statement?

No sir, I notice that you and about 5 other people interpreted what was said to mean what you wanted to hear. There is a difference between saying "take the runs away" (which I did not) and pointing out that one play in each game has skewed the data to make it appear that he is overall productive.In following posts, I have outlined his decrease in production, shown the tie in that he has played against a few teams well, has struggled a great deal in as many as 9 games last year, has faired very poorly against the better teams in the league, and, in general, illustrated his decline in big plays and overall play.

I'm not here to convince you of anything and I don't care about what you do with YOUR team. But I HAVE answered the OP's question correctly because the fact is, in the past 8 games played, he has averaged at least 4 YPC one time and if you take out a 50 yard gain late in chicago when the game was out of reach, then he has barely averaged 3 ypc in the last half-year of games. If that is what you consider a top RB, then so be it. But I do not think that is what most people are looking for from one of their everyweek starting RBs.

If I can 100 yards a week I am happy. and that is what Turner has done for his owners.

But his attempts are way down. That's the concern. A RB like Turner is not going to produce 100 yard games when he s getting 10-15 attempts. He'll do it once in a while but not consistantly and not deep into the season which is why I'm trying to sell while I can. No offense but I'm hoping an owner shares your thinking.

 

[flapgreen]

I traded Best for him in a ppr league.

 

[Phantom Knight]

Line looks badHe looks slowTeam as a whole looks offHe's not getting the carries to accumulate yards in chunks. Needs the homerun.The only difference between this game and his previous 2 is that he didn't break a big run.I'd rather have a guy like Blount going forward. He's similar to Turner. Big, Downhill runner and has little value in the passing game BUT unlike turner his carries have gone up every week. He's younger and will prob ably hold up better over the course of a season. If you have guys like Best, Fred Jackson, Sproles on your bench and could afford to trade him would you trade him for a top WR while his name value still carries weight?In a PPR league I actually got offered Larry Fitzgerald for Turner and Boldin. Thinking about it.

This certainly seems like it should be posted in the advice forum. But others have bitten and I will also. Shutout gets my vote for having said what I would have while backing it up nicely with statistics that I would not have been able to do. Kudos to Shutout and if that Fitz offer is still on the table, you shouldn't be here reading this until after you've hit the accept button.

 

[bumpman]

Six weeks in and he is on pace for 1600 yards and 16 TDs.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Six weeks in and he is on pace for 1600 yards and 16 TDs.

He dont play Carolina every week.But I do like Turner.

 

[Ariakis]

Every fantasy site out there says sell Turner which has conditioned owners NOT to "buy high". I'm not going to give him away for trash when he's on pace for 1600-16 or something like that. Unless he breaks down he'll simply continue to produce great days against bad teams (RB1) and decent days (RB3 with upside) otherwise. I own him in a dynasty ... no replies to the trade bait whatsoever. In a redraft PPR we've had talks but not nearly enough value.

 

[forbidden doughnut]

Every fantasy site out there says sell Turner which has conditioned owners NOT to "buy high". I'm not going to give him away for trash when he's on pace for 1600-16 or something like that. Unless he breaks down he'll simply continue to produce great days against bad teams (RB1) and decent days (RB3 with upside) otherwise. I own him in a dynasty ... no replies to the trade bait whatsoever. In a redraft PPR we've had talks but not nearly enough value.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat with Turner. I want to trade him, but I'm having a hard time getting more than a box of rocks. I had targeted players like: Bradshaw, Felix, Beanie, and Mendy, but none of their owners are selling. Well, the Felix owner might be, but I'm still trying to make a championship run and having a RB out for a few weeks won't help with that endeavor.

 

[Shutout]

Six weeks in and he is on pace for 1600 yards and 16 TDs.

I guess if he could play the league's dead-last rush defense team each week and rush for 27 times a game, that would be a good thing. But that would also require him to carry the ball about 330+ times this year and have the type of success he just had against the Panthers against everyone else he faces this year. Just does not seem likely and definitely not a good idea for him to be viable in the playoffs or for dynasty fantasy purposes. Sticking with the original question of "time to sell", I think this week's game actually underscores the answer to sell. He has had two good ypc games against two of the bottom 6 rush defenses in the league and he has struggled against the other teams (1.8/2.7/3.5 ypc avg.) In both games he has done well, he has had to have a lot of carries (20+); something you have to concern yourself with when you are owning a 29 1/2 year old RB in dynasty. What I see is a fading back who is situational. In dynasty, when guys go from being starters to situational starters, that is a bad trend. So when someone asks if they should sell, I think if you own him, you should actually be HAPPY that he is doing well right now and move him to someone who is just not in the know or someone who realizes that this could be a good SHORT-TERM help for them; long-term for you. It COULD easily be a win/win for both parties. But I think you are kidding yourself and will regret it if you don't strike while the iron is hot. Eight months from now, I seriously doubt if you will be able to trade a 30 year old Turner for what you can get right now, especially if he falls off at all on his production the rest of the way. Ten more games can be an eternity for an aging RB. He is hovering right at 4.2 ypc right now. If he slows and you go to sell him in the offseason, you have to remember you're "selling points" might be 1200 yards and 10+ TDs, but it also comes with 30 year old RB that might have averaged 3.8 ypc by the time the season ends. Both of those stats are killers in dynasty leagues when it comes to RBs.

 

[The Captain]

If you're playing for this year, keep him. If you're not, sell. A contending team isn't going to get a younger RB producing the same points for this year's title run.