Banger
Footballguy
It depends on the tender placed on Turner, could be a 2nd or a 1st or a 1st and 3rd. SD could also deal him for a player/picks.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
The Chargers will put the highest tender on him. This is an 8 page thread, I'm pretty sure there's one discussion that has happened 6-10 times.
Banger
Footballguy
that's assumed by many but I don't know if they will. I could see AJ dangling him out there for a 1st. I think they may get a 1st from someone, a 1st and 3rd they won't get any takers. AJ is very shrewd at cap/player management and the bottomline will be the juggling act of getting a present value draft pick or insurance for one year and a compensation pick when he leaves as a FA.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
What I really think may happen is a sign and trade type of deal. They'll give him the max tender and shop him, probably necessitating him working a longer term deal with the prospective trade partner as a trade condition.
Why? Because then they control where he ends up the following season, whereas if they don't he could land in somplace like Denver or Baltimore, which would be the nightmare scenario for the Chargers. I'm sure they'd rather at least make an attempt at keeping him out of the division and/or conference if possible, he'd be much less worrisome to them in say Green Bay or something. They'll get Sproles back next year, and they've got some intriguing guys on the practice squad in Perkins and Gross, so they'd take a hit with their backup running back, but maybe not as bad as it would appear to some.
It's what I'd do if I were A.J. anyway.
Why? Because then they control where he ends up the following season, whereas if they don't he could land in somplace like Denver or Baltimore, which would be the nightmare scenario for the Chargers. I'm sure they'd rather at least make an attempt at keeping him out of the division and/or conference if possible, he'd be much less worrisome to them in say Green Bay or something. They'll get Sproles back next year, and they've got some intriguing guys on the practice squad in Perkins and Gross, so they'd take a hit with their backup running back, but maybe not as bad as it would appear to some.
It's what I'd do if I were A.J. anyway.
If Tomlinson ends up on the cover of Madden next year, the Chargers will keep Turner.
Otherwise, trading him for Jerricho Cotchery (and a pick?) would be all right.
Otherwise, trading him for Jerricho Cotchery (and a pick?) would be all right.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think Tomlinson's a lock for the Madden cover.I'd hate to see them trade for a receiver, I think Jackson, Parker and Floyd can get it done (maybe McCardell if he comes back). I'd like to see them trade for draft picks going forward, not necessarily 2007 picks, but a couple of years down the road. Or is that not possible in the NFL?Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
I've heard not only in this forum but elsewhere as well that LT has been offered the cover of Madden and he has turned it down multiple times. It is not like the folks at EA Sports can just put a player on there without asking for permission first. Lt has been asked about it and he says he has declined the Madden cover because it is more of an individual thing singling one player out and he always has said his success is from being part of a team. So unless the entire SD Chargers team in on the cover I doubt you will see LT on the cover of Madden. Sorry for the hijack but thought that needed to be clarified.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I just hope that continues for the rest of LaDainian's career.
Phlash
Footballguy
He secretly fears the Madden Curse
Yitbos69
Footballguy
When was he asked about the Madden cover? Who asked him about it? Was it in an artical? Do you know where this information can be found?
zamboni
Footballguy
Beyond the Turner talk in the Giants thread, now that it's the day after the day after, Turner talk is resurfacing among the Jets as well. Still sounds like mere beat writer speculation though.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/487048p-409979c.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/487048p-409979c.html
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?....xml&coll=1
Banger
Footballguy
Since the season ended for the Jets there is speculation nearly everyday in the papers that Turner is on their radar, whether is various reports speculation or coming from the organization is unclear. After thinking about it a while I don't know why the Jets wouldn't go after him with their 1st round pick. Yes, they will probably try the trade route 1st but if that produces nothing I think it's conceivable that they go after Turner with their 1st. I know traditionally teams won't give up their 1st in such a situation but I can't really remember a backup that has shown as much potential as he has nor a situation that the fit is so good. Also, there's a huge difference between being at the top of the 1st and the 26th pick in the 1st. Realistically, who can they get there in the draft with as little risk as Turner has. Last year John McCargo was selected by the Bills at the 26th spot. A year or two ago, didn't the Jets trade out of nearly the same spot in the 1st round for Doug Jolley and a 2nd rounder?
This will be his 4th year and has had a total of 157 carries which is about a 1/2 season of work but has put up a gaudy 6.0 ypc and 5 td's. Turner has already had the advantage of being on the practice field, in the film room, off season training and in real NFL games as opposed to any rookie that they may select at that spot (i.e. Bush). It will probably take him 1/2 season to get up on the blocking, speed, etc. of the NFL game and even then I don't think he will end the player that Turner is now.
The only issue in my mind is the salary aspect of the situation and what it will cost to obtain him. The Jets are $28 mill under the cap and will probably make a run at Samuels which will cost some cash as well as signing Cothery and a few others long term. If they do miss out on Samuels I would definitely think that a move for Turner is more probable. I see this as an extremely good fit because 1) the Jets supposedly have interest 2) they have cap room 3) they have a 1st and 2 2nds 4) their 1st rounder is in the perfect spot, and 5) they have a definite need for a feature RB.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So why didnt the jets just keep Jordan if they are so interested in Turner?
ALso, If Brian Schott leaves, does the interest in Turner die down?
ALso, If Brian Schott leaves, does the interest in Turner die down?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
That was 2 full seasons ago.
He has been asked twice IIRC, 2000 and 2002 I think. I could be wrong about the years, but I do know he has been asked, and like the previous poster said, feels like his OLinemen are just as big of a part of him rushing as he is.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think so. I'm sure he's expressed his feelings about him and if it made sense to the Jets to acquire him with Shotty on the staff their feelings probably wouldn't change just because Shotty leaves. Shotty wouldn't be making the decision he would only be adding his input.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Uhhhh, Curtis Martin led the league in rushing that season.....Also keep in mind that the JEts have Washington's 2nd rd pick which is very high as well - so in theory they could spend their #1 on Turner and still have a very high 2nd to work with. If they feel Turner is the goods it is worth the risk IMO.
Banger
Footballguy
my thinking exactly. The Jets are really the only legit suitor IMO.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
As a Johnny-come-lately to this thread, I'm sorry if this is a repeat, but it seems like there's only a few teams that would be candidates to give up a 1st for Turner right?
Very little chance
Denver & Oakland - No way he gets traded in-division. Plus Oakland's not giving up a #1 overall.
Baltimore - The Chargers main AFC competition?
Luke warm
Houston - Probably aren't giving up the #8 pick.
Cleveland - Not going to give up a #3/4.
Tennessee - RB is a concern, but other holes should be addressed with the #1
Detroit - How bad was Jones' injury? And if Martz stays, he's not a Martz type back.
Good potential
NYJ - Only problem is that they're AFC.
NYG - Would turner fit in with a pass catching role?
Atlanta - Dunn is 32 and Harrison may not be a feature back.
GB - Good fit.
Very little chance
Denver & Oakland - No way he gets traded in-division. Plus Oakland's not giving up a #1 overall.
Baltimore - The Chargers main AFC competition?
Luke warm
Houston - Probably aren't giving up the #8 pick.
Cleveland - Not going to give up a #3/4.
Tennessee - RB is a concern, but other holes should be addressed with the #1
Detroit - How bad was Jones' injury? And if Martz stays, he's not a Martz type back.
Good potential
NYJ - Only problem is that they're AFC.
NYG - Would turner fit in with a pass catching role?
Atlanta - Dunn is 32 and Harrison may not be a feature back.
GB - Good fit.
Reaper
Footballguy
http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1
Jets: Team more likely to focus on draft, not free agency
Thursday, January 11, 2007
BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff
Although the Jets will have a free-agent war chest approaching $28 million, general manger Mike Tannenbaum suggested yesterday that he might not be a big player in free agency.
"I feel comfortable where our cap situation is ... (but) philosophically we want to build our team through the draft as much as possible. That's something that Eric (Mangini) and I are committed to," he said.
With the Chargers apparently prepared to place a first-round tender offer on running back Michael Turner -- meaning any team that signs him to an offer sheet must give up a first-round pick if San Diego doesn't match -- it appears the Jets might not pursue him. Of course, they could try to work out a trade.
Otherwise, at the opening bell of free agency the Jets will almost certainly go after Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel, who tied the Broncos' Champ Bailey for the NFL lead in interceptions with 10 this season, and/or Patriots linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, who had a career-high 5 1/2 sacks this season. Both are fourth-year pros. Both will be unrestricted free agents.
In addition to their cap space, the Jets have six draft picks -- four on the first day (a first-rounder, two second-rounders and a third) -- with which to retool their team. Tannenbaum did an excellent job in his first draft a year ago, coming away with left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, center Nick Mangold, running back Leon Washington and all-purpose performer Brad Smith. Cornerback Drew Smith and safety Eric Smith (no relation) also contributed.
Re-signing wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery and outside linebacker Victor Hobson will take up some of that projected $28 million as well.
Cornerback, help along the defensive line and linebacker depth appear to be the Jets' priorities. Running back, however, is at the top of the Jets' wish list.
Tannenbaum pointed out that the Jets' running-back-by-committee approach is being employed by many teams and is the wave of the future. He hinted that's the direction in which the team will continue to go.
Tannenbaum praised Washington, saying he got better as the season progressed and earned more playing time by improving "skill sets," such as protecting the football and blitz pickup in pass protection.
"He earned the right to play more," said Tannenbaum, adding that many so-called "scat backs" such as Washington can't play on third downs because they can't pass-protect.
"The game wasn't too big for him. He could definitely help us (in the future). I don't want to say that he could be this guy and that he can only help us for a certain amount of reps."
Whatever the Jets do at running back, it appears that either Cedric Houston or Kevan Barlow will return -- not both.
Barlow, a former starter with the 49ers, could be the wild card. At the very least, the Jets will draft a running back, but if Barlow returns to his 1,000-yard form, he could be the perfect complement to Washington. He has said he felt like he was playing on "one leg" last season because he hadn't fully recovered from off-season knee surgery.
Jets: Team more likely to focus on draft, not free agency
Thursday, January 11, 2007
BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff
Although the Jets will have a free-agent war chest approaching $28 million, general manger Mike Tannenbaum suggested yesterday that he might not be a big player in free agency.
"I feel comfortable where our cap situation is ... (but) philosophically we want to build our team through the draft as much as possible. That's something that Eric (Mangini) and I are committed to," he said.
With the Chargers apparently prepared to place a first-round tender offer on running back Michael Turner -- meaning any team that signs him to an offer sheet must give up a first-round pick if San Diego doesn't match -- it appears the Jets might not pursue him. Of course, they could try to work out a trade.
Otherwise, at the opening bell of free agency the Jets will almost certainly go after Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel, who tied the Broncos' Champ Bailey for the NFL lead in interceptions with 10 this season, and/or Patriots linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, who had a career-high 5 1/2 sacks this season. Both are fourth-year pros. Both will be unrestricted free agents.
In addition to their cap space, the Jets have six draft picks -- four on the first day (a first-rounder, two second-rounders and a third) -- with which to retool their team. Tannenbaum did an excellent job in his first draft a year ago, coming away with left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, center Nick Mangold, running back Leon Washington and all-purpose performer Brad Smith. Cornerback Drew Smith and safety Eric Smith (no relation) also contributed.
Re-signing wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery and outside linebacker Victor Hobson will take up some of that projected $28 million as well.
Cornerback, help along the defensive line and linebacker depth appear to be the Jets' priorities. Running back, however, is at the top of the Jets' wish list.
Tannenbaum pointed out that the Jets' running-back-by-committee approach is being employed by many teams and is the wave of the future. He hinted that's the direction in which the team will continue to go.
Tannenbaum praised Washington, saying he got better as the season progressed and earned more playing time by improving "skill sets," such as protecting the football and blitz pickup in pass protection.
"He earned the right to play more," said Tannenbaum, adding that many so-called "scat backs" such as Washington can't play on third downs because they can't pass-protect.
"The game wasn't too big for him. He could definitely help us (in the future). I don't want to say that he could be this guy and that he can only help us for a certain amount of reps."
Whatever the Jets do at running back, it appears that either Cedric Houston or Kevan Barlow will return -- not both.
Barlow, a former starter with the 49ers, could be the wild card. At the very least, the Jets will draft a running back, but if Barlow returns to his 1,000-yard form, he could be the perfect complement to Washington. He has said he felt like he was playing on "one leg" last season because he hadn't fully recovered from off-season knee surgery.
After that season he was also a 32 year old RB with around 16,500 total yards on his tires. Anyone expecting him to continue along like that was fooling themselves.
Reaper
Footballguy
HERM
Not only that but, Lamont Jordan should have been spelling Martin for years prior. There would be games where Martin's Cut back technique wasn't working and Jordan was plowing for yards and Herm would sit Jordan so Martin can get his accolades.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
lack of vision by the Jets.
zamboni
Footballguy
Great take on the matter, Banger, and I fully agree. I think the bottom line, as ever, is dollars and cents. I think a trade is more likely a better scenario if they want Turner, although NFL trades are not all that common, so it may be for naught.
Banger
Footballguy
If the Giants didn't have the recent trade history with SD I think some kind of trade may be more likely. They also may want to give Jacobs a shot this year to see how he does in a feature role. I'm assuming you meant Norwood in Atl. He may or may not be a feature guy but they've got a lot more problems with a new HC, getting Vick straightened out, their defense is a mess, etc.
I've read that GB plans on resigning Green and Morency has been a relatively good fit.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
NYG - I can't see Jacobs as the featured back. Just can't. I agree with the "trade history" bit too.ATL - Yes, I meant Norwood.
GB - Green is old and Morency isn't the answer. IMO anyway.
Banger
Footballguy
On the Giants I agree with you and don't think Jacobs is a featured back but there seem to be a lot on the board who do, and I'm not sure what the Giants will do. Jacobs is obviously the bruiser so they may opt more for a "lightning" type back. Turner is probably more like Jacobs than a scatback IMO, he really runs hard and is pretty physical.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Rumor has it that the Giants are interested in Ahman Green and that is logical considering they have Brandon Jacobs. This may open the GB talks that you put down as a good fit. Atlanta has Norwood, therefore I see The Jets and GB as the best candidates.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Good analysis out there:
I didn't realize that there was not a lot of teams in a place to make the deal for Turner - it looks like the Jets are in the lead as of now as they have the cap room, extra high pick and most need.
Can't see the Giants giving up a 1st rd pick after trading away all those Eli picks just a while ago. Better to see what Jacobs can do and draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd rd IMO.
I didn't realize that there was not a lot of teams in a place to make the deal for Turner - it looks like the Jets are in the lead as of now as they have the cap room, extra high pick and most need.
Can't see the Giants giving up a 1st rd pick after trading away all those Eli picks just a while ago. Better to see what Jacobs can do and draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd rd IMO.
massraider
Footballguy
That's what I'm thinking. Plus, once you trade for him, you've gotta sign him to a deal. There'll be two Peterson/Lynch drafting teams that won't be looking for a back.I think if the Chargers demand a 1st, teams will say, no thanks, we'll sign him next spring for free.
zamboni
Footballguy
This is probably more for the Giants RB thread, but Coughlin was on the Mike and The Mad Dog show last night and the question turned to Jacobs replacing Tiki. Coughlin said that Jacobs "is the front runner" and they have "every confidence in him". While things can change, that to me looks like the Giants wouldn't be interested in Turner.One thing not mentioned that could also play into Turner's situation is if the Chargers go all the way and win the Super Bowl. If they do, they may be more willing to let MT go. If not, they may want that insurance for another run next year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Need met availability when the Patriots got a #1 for Deion Branch when they shouldn't have. So stranger things have happened.My opinion is that the Chargers should keep him and extend the career or LT in the process. I'm a HUGE proponent of teams using the #2 back to keep the #1 guy as fresh as possible towards the end of the season.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, thanks Seattle from the whole rest of the AFC. I find it unlikely that something like that goes down again any time soon. The Chargers may have to deal Turner for whatever they can get next year in order to somewhat control where he lands - I really don't think they want to see him end up in the AFC, particularly Baltimore, Denver or the Jets.I know it's going to sound homerish, but they do have a couple of guys on the practice squad in Perkins and Gross who could somewhat fill Turner's shoes if he left.
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harryhood
Footballguy
I think the jets early second(from wash) would be good enough for Turner, and would be a nice deal. They move past the learning curve of the NFL, and turner is pretty fresh and chomping at the bit to be the feature back. If im the jets and can swing this, I go for it without hesitation.I think 1st, 2nd, and tuner is really better than a 1st, 2nd and 2nd
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Possible, I think the Chargers would ask for a few extra goodies along with the 2nd round pick though.
I don't think either Perkins or Gross will ever be a #2 RB in the NFL. (Sproles might be, though.)
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
You're probably right, but Gross in particular looked good to me in preseason, I'd like to see more of him before making that determination. I don't know that Sproles is MJDish enough to depend on him should LaDainian miss a significant number of games.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I don't.
harryhood
Footballguy
well then they may have to play against him 2x a year if he gets held onto this year and becomes an UFA....im sure they would love that. I really dont see anyone giving a #1 for him
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
LT owners? Do we hope that Turner goes?
just curious.
I don't have Turner on my roster. I do have Sproles on IR and Kay Jay Harris. Think they draft a rb?
just curious.
I don't have Turner on my roster. I do have Sproles on IR and Kay Jay Harris. Think they draft a rb?
Banger
Footballguy
I don't think it matters one way or the other. LT is gonna get his carries regardless of who the backup is.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It's possible but I assume you're talking about the Broncos since KC already is set at RB and oak doesn't make any moves that make any sense. Any specualtion as to what DEN is going to do with their RB situation two years from now is kind of a joke. If they were still in the playoffs right now I wouldn't even know their RB situation this weekend, let alone two years from now. In general they've given low-ball offers to FA RB's in the past and even this year seemed pretty content with Bell/Dayne/Bell(before Dayne missed time due to injury) and didn't make much of an effort to acquire any RB despite the fact people were SURE they were going to draft one in the first or at the very latest the second round. Somebody will offer Turner a lot of $ and it may even be SD if something happens to Tomlinson.harryhood said:
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I think an early 2nd rdr for Turner will do it also. I believe they will tender him a 1st rdr, and then trade him leading up to the draft for an early 2nd (if they cant get a late first).harryhood said:
x260bm
Footballguy
I also think a 2nd round pick is all they are going to be able to get for Turner. I don’t think the Chargers will be satisfied with a 2nd rounder so they won’t trade him.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
What did the Jets get for Morton when he went to Washington?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The Dolphins gave up a 1st rounder and then another pick that had an escalator in it that could have upgraded the 3rd round pick to a second 1st round pick for Ricky Williams.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Morton was not really a RB - more of a Kick Return specialst - think Jets got a 5th rder.I agree on two fronts - I think the Jets will offer the best deal with Wash 2nd rder - and I also think that won't be enough for SD and they will hold onto him.
