Michael Turner (1 Viewer)

[DrJ]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

 

[KornKrackedJimy]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

Quick fyi. San Diego is not interested in moving him. That is the reason there are no reports of such.

 

[Armando]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

I don't know there is a link, but SD isn't dealing the best backup in the league (making peanuts) & with no viable alternative to Turner., They'll tender him next offseason at the highest tender.....which will cost a 1st and 3rd I believe. If they gave him the low tender (which they won't), it'll cost a 3rd.The difference between Turner and Edge/Alexander -- Turner has 2 years at minimal salary and is only 24. James/Alexander were wanting mega bucks + their teams were wanting high picks (2nd rounders I believe) + they'd be playing into their 30's....both with high mileage on them.

 

[DrJ]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

I don't know there is a link, but SD isn't dealing the best backup in the league (making peanuts) & with no viable alternative to Turner., They'll tender him next offseason at the highest tender.....which will cost a 1st and 3rd I believe. If they gave him the low tender (which they won't), it'll cost a 3rd.The difference between Turner and Edge/Alexander -- Turner has 2 years at minimal salary and is only 24. James/Alexander were wanting mega bucks + their teams were wanting high picks (2nd rounders I believe) + they'd be playing into their 30's....both with high mileage on them.

Jesse Chatman did fine as the backup RB, it's not like they can't find another backup RB. Better than fine if you want to call Turner's performance something special, because the stats were nearly identical for the 2 in the same role (with Chatman actually having a slight edge).They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick. In a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. They really have that few holes? Okay... ETA: And again - I don't even hear about teams inquiring about this guy. You hear rumors about Schaub EVERY offseason. Plenty of teams are asking for Thomas Jones, who also has 2 years left on his deal and isn't paid highly either. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't scream "NFL GM's all know this guy is a stud, but San Diego is just asking too much".

 

[KornKrackedJimy]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

I don't know there is a link, but SD isn't dealing the best backup in the league (making peanuts) & with no viable alternative to Turner., They'll tender him next offseason at the highest tender.....which will cost a 1st and 3rd I believe. If they gave him the low tender (which they won't), it'll cost a 3rd.The difference between Turner and Edge/Alexander -- Turner has 2 years at minimal salary and is only 24. James/Alexander were wanting mega bucks + their teams were wanting high picks (2nd rounders I believe) + they'd be playing into their 30's....both with high mileage on them.

Jesse Chatman did fine as the backup RB, it's not like they can't find another backup RB. Better than fine if you want to call Turner's performance something special, because the stats were nearly identical for the 2 in the same role (with Chatman actually having a slight edge).They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick...in a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. Okay...ETA: And again - I don't even hear about teams inquiring about this guy. You hear rumors about Schaub EVERY offseason. Plenty of teams are asking for Thomas Jones, who also has 2 years left on his deal and isn't paid highly either. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't scream "NFL GM's all know this guy is a stud, but San Diego is just asking too much".

Good thing I didn't say the same in fewer words. OMG, why even post here.

 

[DrJ]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

I don't know there is a link, but SD isn't dealing the best backup in the league (making peanuts) & with no viable alternative to Turner., They'll tender him next offseason at the highest tender.....which will cost a 1st and 3rd I believe. If they gave him the low tender (which they won't), it'll cost a 3rd.The difference between Turner and Edge/Alexander -- Turner has 2 years at minimal salary and is only 24. James/Alexander were wanting mega bucks + their teams were wanting high picks (2nd rounders I believe) + they'd be playing into their 30's....both with high mileage on them.

Jesse Chatman did fine as the backup RB, it's not like they can't find another backup RB. Better than fine if you want to call Turner's performance something special, because the stats were nearly identical for the 2 in the same role (with Chatman actually having a slight edge).They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick...in a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. Okay...ETA: And again - I don't even hear about teams inquiring about this guy. You hear rumors about Schaub EVERY offseason. Plenty of teams are asking for Thomas Jones, who also has 2 years left on his deal and isn't paid highly either. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't scream "NFL GM's all know this guy is a stud, but San Diego is just asking too much".

Good thing I didn't say the same in fewer words. OMG, why even post here.

Is it bothersome to have an opposing viewpoint on the subject? Or are you offended that I didn't quote your post instead?

 

[KornKrackedJimy]

And another question - if he's such a hot commodity in the NFL, why is it that I never hear his name on the list when teams are looking to get a RB? There were rumors of people trying to trade for Lamont Jordan before he got his FA chance. There were plenty of teams in the market for a RB trade this offseason, and several that actually came to pass (Duckett, Bennett, Barlow, almost Suggs) - I never heard his name mentioned in any of these rumors.Atlanta is asking a lot for Schaub, so he's not very tradable, but we hear every offseason about how teams always ask about trading for him. So I'm not guessing it's because teams are all begging San Diego for him and they are asking too much...So, how does this all mesh with the Michael Turner is invariably going to get his shot at a starting job when he's a FA theory?

Because SD isn't taking less than a 1st.

I hadn't heard that - you happen to have a link to substantiate that? Yes, I realize his contract is small, but if someone gives up a 1st for him there's certainly a renegotiation involved and Edge and Alexander weren't fetching nearly that interest. Outside of Ricky Williams, I can't recall a RB getting anywhere near that value in recent history.If a team came offering a 2nd rounder, San Diego would be pretty dumb not to take it... If Benson were proven, the Bears would be dumb not to take that for Thomas Jones, and it doesn't get more proven than LT.

I don't know there is a link, but SD isn't dealing the best backup in the league (making peanuts) & with no viable alternative to Turner., They'll tender him next offseason at the highest tender.....which will cost a 1st and 3rd I believe. If they gave him the low tender (which they won't), it'll cost a 3rd.The difference between Turner and Edge/Alexander -- Turner has 2 years at minimal salary and is only 24. James/Alexander were wanting mega bucks + their teams were wanting high picks (2nd rounders I believe) + they'd be playing into their 30's....both with high mileage on them.

Jesse Chatman did fine as the backup RB, it's not like they can't find another backup RB. Better than fine if you want to call Turner's performance something special, because the stats were nearly identical for the 2 in the same role (with Chatman actually having a slight edge).They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick...in a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. Okay...ETA: And again - I don't even hear about teams inquiring about this guy. You hear rumors about Schaub EVERY offseason. Plenty of teams are asking for Thomas Jones, who also has 2 years left on his deal and isn't paid highly either. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't scream "NFL GM's all know this guy is a stud, but San Diego is just asking too much".

Good thing I didn't say the same in fewer words. OMG, why even post here.

Is it bothersome to have an opposing viewpoint on the subject? Or are you offended that I didn't quote your post instead?

Ahh. No problems here brotha. We're cool. To answer your questions- no and no.

 

[JayMan]

They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick. In a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. They really have that few holes? Okay...

Good information here Julius!... I would like to know more on the subject...If I'm not mistaken - the RFA rule grants a 1st and a 3rd rounder to the first team if another team makes an offer of over 2M$ per year... a 1st rounder if over 1.5M$... a 3rd rounder otherwise (i.e. between 2nd and 3rd round compensation pick)... the first team could match this offer (right of first refusal) but that salary counts against their cap...They could transistion or franchise this player - to the maximum of 120% of his previous salary or the average of the 5 (franchise) or 10 (transition) best salaries at that position...Am I right in assuming this?---If so, in Turner's case... you're saying that there won't be any team in the NFL that offers a 2M$ base salary contract to Turner? I concur that the price 1st/3rd is alot to pay - especially considering that the market for young RB is low (lots of young pups entering the league the last 3 years - and possibly 3 good ones in the draft in April)... But wouldn't there be 1 NFL GM that bets on him? I don't think the Chargers would match the offer? - especially with Tomlinson and Gates contracts being over 8M$ and 6M$ respectively...Obviously, if there are no offers after this year... other teams will wait the end of '07 when he becomes an UFA to try and sign him... but wouldn't this bring a bidding war?... Isn't easier for a team to try and sign him to a 1.8M$ contract at the end of this year (thus paying "only" a 1st rounder) and securing him long term?I'm just asking - looking for more information on the subject...

 

[Renegades of Funk]

The compensation would depend on what amount of money the Chargers offer Turner in his restricted year. The highest amount (not sure about the numbers) would mean another team would have to compensate the Chargers with a 1st and 3rd rounder if they signed him away for more money.

 

[Da Guru]

Marty will look for ways to get Turner more involved this year. LT wore down last season and with Turner stepping up there is no reason why Turner should not get 6-8 carries a game.

 

[DrJ]

They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick. In a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. They really have that few holes? Okay...

Good information here Julius!... I would like to know more on the subject...If I'm not mistaken - the RFA rule grants a 1st and a 3rd rounder to the first team if another team makes an offer of over 2M$ per year... a 1st rounder if over 1.5M$... a 3rd rounder otherwise (i.e. between 2nd and 3rd round compensation pick)... the first team could match this offer (right of first refusal) but that salary counts against their cap...They could transistion or franchise this player - to the maximum of 120% of his previous salary or the average of the 5 (franchise) or 10 (transition) best salaries at that position...Am I right in assuming this?---If so, in Turner's case... you're saying that there won't be any team in the NFL that offers a 2M$ base salary contract to Turner? I concur that the price 1st/3rd is alot to pay - especially considering that the market for young RB is low (lots of young pups entering the league the last 3 years - and possibly 3 good ones in the draft in April)... But wouldn't there be 1 NFL GM that bets on him? I don't think the Chargers would match the offer? - especially with Tomlinson and Gates contracts being over 8M$ and 6M$ respectively...Obviously, if there are no offers after this year... other teams will wait the end of '07 when he becomes an UFA to try and sign him... but wouldn't this bring a bidding war?... Isn't easier for a team to try and sign him to a 1.8M$ contract at the end of this year (thus paying "only" a 1st rounder) and securing him long term?I'm just asking - looking for more information on the subject...

Like Renegades said, those numbers apply to the offer that the Chargers give him. So if they give him a $2 million tender, they have the right to match any offer and would get a 1st and 3rd if they let someone else sign him.And no, there is NO WAY any GM in the league is giving up a 1st and 3rd for Michael Turner AND paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year.The odds of a team giving up a 2nd rounder and paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year is very very slim. I seriously doubt any team is willing to give up a 2nd for Michael Turner anyways - he's simply not the hot NFL commodity that people owning him in a dynasty believe. Which is why you don't hear jack about teams trying to trade for him. But if some team did, the Chargers would be dumb not to take it.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick. In a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. They really have that few holes? Okay...

Good information here Julius!... I would like to know more on the subject...If I'm not mistaken - the RFA rule grants a 1st and a 3rd rounder to the first team if another team makes an offer of over 2M$ per year... a 1st rounder if over 1.5M$... a 3rd rounder otherwise (i.e. between 2nd and 3rd round compensation pick)... the first team could match this offer (right of first refusal) but that salary counts against their cap...They could transistion or franchise this player - to the maximum of 120% of his previous salary or the average of the 5 (franchise) or 10 (transition) best salaries at that position...Am I right in assuming this?---If so, in Turner's case... you're saying that there won't be any team in the NFL that offers a 2M$ base salary contract to Turner? I concur that the price 1st/3rd is alot to pay - especially considering that the market for young RB is low (lots of young pups entering the league the last 3 years - and possibly 3 good ones in the draft in April)... But wouldn't there be 1 NFL GM that bets on him? I don't think the Chargers would match the offer? - especially with Tomlinson and Gates contracts being over 8M$ and 6M$ respectively...Obviously, if there are no offers after this year... other teams will wait the end of '07 when he becomes an UFA to try and sign him... but wouldn't this bring a bidding war?... Isn't easier for a team to try and sign him to a 1.8M$ contract at the end of this year (thus paying "only" a 1st rounder) and securing him long term?I'm just asking - looking for more information on the subject...

Like Renegades said, those numbers apply to the offer that the Chargers give him. So if they give him a $2 million tender, they have the right to match any offer and would get a 1st and 3rd if they let someone else sign him.And no, there is NO WAY any GM in the league is giving up a 1st and 3rd for Michael Turner AND paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year.The odds of a team giving up a 2nd rounder and paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year is very very slim. I seriously doubt any team is willing to give up a 2nd for Michael Turner anyways - he's simply not the hot NFL commodity that people owning him in a dynasty believe. Which is why you don't hear jack about teams trying to trade for him. But if some team did, the Chargers would be dumb not to take it.

The Jets were interested in Turner, but he was way more expensive than the other players they were looking at (Barlow, Duckett, Shipp, and Dayne), so it was never seriously considered. Turner is much more valuable this year to the Chargers than he is to any other team because he is under contract still and because of the Sproles injury. When he is an RFA next year he become a much more viable alternative for a trade, especially if SD is willing to do a sign-and-trade.It wouldn't surprise me to see him somewhere like Denver next year. They will be picking up an extra draft pick through the Lelie trade (free money, essentially), so that makes giving up a 1st and a 3rd less of a hit for the Broncos if they decide to make an offer for him. I don't think there's any way SD does a sign-and-trade with the Broncos, though, being in the same division. If the Broncos are willing to throw away a third rounder on Clarett, I don't think a 1st and 3rd for Turner would be out of the question, especially if the Bronocs are picking late in the 1st round.

 

[JayMan]

They aren't getting a 1st and 3rd for him next season either, or even just a 1st for him. A 2nd round pick would give them a guy that they can pay under market value for 4 seasons, rather than 1 1/2 (next season counts as 1/2, because the highest tender isn't exactly underpaid for a backup RB).

And next season it'll be far more attractive to opposing teams to wait it out a season rather than give up even a 2nd because there is absolutely no way that if a team in the league believes he's a starting calibre RB and plans to pay him as such, that San Diego can hang onto him when he's a UFA the following season. Why give up a 2nd AND pay the guy starting money when you can wait 1 year and get him for nothing?

So I guess insurance for one of the most durable RB's in the game is worth getting no compensation whatsoever in 2 years, rather than a VERY valuable 2nd round pick. In a season where you have a 1st year starter at QB and your Superbowl hopes are pretty danged slim as a result. They really have that few holes? Okay...

Good information here Julius!... I would like to know more on the subject...If I'm not mistaken - the RFA rule grants a 1st and a 3rd rounder to the first team if another team makes an offer of over 2M$ per year... a 1st rounder if over 1.5M$... a 3rd rounder otherwise (i.e. between 2nd and 3rd round compensation pick)... the first team could match this offer (right of first refusal) but that salary counts against their cap...

They could transistion or franchise this player - to the maximum of 120% of his previous salary or the average of the 5 (franchise) or 10 (transition) best salaries at that position...

Am I right in assuming this?

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If so, in Turner's case... you're saying that there won't be any team in the NFL that offers a 2M$ base salary contract to Turner? I concur that the price 1st/3rd is alot to pay - especially considering that the market for young RB is low (lots of young pups entering the league the last 3 years - and possibly 3 good ones in the draft in April)... But wouldn't there be 1 NFL GM that bets on him? I don't think the Chargers would match the offer? - especially with Tomlinson and Gates contracts being over 8M$ and 6M$ respectively...

Obviously, if there are no offers after this year... other teams will wait the end of '07 when he becomes an UFA to try and sign him... but wouldn't this bring a bidding war?... Isn't easier for a team to try and sign him to a 1.8M$ contract at the end of this year (thus paying "only" a 1st rounder) and securing him long term?

I'm just asking - looking for more information on the subject...

Like Renegades said, those numbers apply to the offer that the Chargers give him. So if they give him a $2 million tender, they have the right to match any offer and would get a 1st and 3rd if they let someone else sign him.And no, there is NO WAY any GM in the league is giving up a 1st and 3rd for Michael Turner AND paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year.

The odds of a team giving up a 2nd rounder and paying him starting money when they can get him without compensation the following year is very very slim.

I seriously doubt any team is willing to give up a 2nd for Michael Turner anyways - he's simply not the hot NFL commodity that people owning him in a dynasty believe. Which is why you don't hear jack about teams trying to trade for him. But if some team did, the Chargers would be dumb not to take it.

The Jets were interested in Turner, but he was way more expensive than the other players they were looking at (Barlow, Duckett, Shipp, and Dayne), so it was never seriously considered. Turner is much more valuable this year to the Chargers than he is to any other team because he is under contract still and because of the Sproles injury. When he is an RFA next year he become a much more viable alternative for a trade, especially if SD is willing to do a sign-and-trade.It wouldn't surprise me to see him somewhere like Denver next year. They will be picking up an extra draft pick through the Lelie trade (free money, essentially), so that makes giving up a 1st and a 3rd less of a hit for the Broncos if they decide to make an offer for him. I don't think there's any way SD does a sign-and-trade with the Broncos, though, being in the same division. If the Broncos are willing to throw away a third rounder on Clarett, I don't think a 1st and 3rd for Turner would be out of the question, especially if the Bronocs are picking late in the 1st round.

draft is a crap "shoot"... no pun intended...Imagine the love Turner would get on [DYNASTY] rosters if he was headed to Denver next year?... holy macro...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The Chargers are definitely not looking to trade Turner. If they do trade him, RB would become the biggest position of need on the team, so I guess they would try to get an RB for him. But that doesn't make sense when they can just keep him instead.

Turner will be somewhere else by 2008, but the Chargers are not trying to speed up the process. They'll probably tender him the $1.6M or whatever to cost any suitor a first and a third, and I doubt any team would pay that price. (If they did, the Chargers would not match.)

 

[JayMan]

The Chargers are definitely not looking to trade Turner. If they do trade him, RB would become the biggest position of need on the team, so I guess they would try to get an RB for him. But that doesn't make sense when they can just keep him instead.Turner will be somewhere else by 2008, but the Chargers are not trying to speed up the process. They'll probably tender him the $1.6M or whatever to cost any suitor a first and a third, and I doubt any team would pay that price. (If they did, the Chargers would not match.)

I understand that point of view... I'm just asking...Suppose you are the Chargers GM... you tender him (if possible) at 1.1M$ - this equate to a 1st rounder (I believe)... this sounds interesting to at least one NFL GM who gives him an offer (I'm with you that if they tender him at 1.6M$ - no other GM is willing to give a 1st/3rd)... you don't match, as the SD GM - you get a 1st rounder...Alot better then seeing him exit without any compensation after '07... no?(For FF purposes... he starts in '07 and not in '08)

 

[Renegades of Funk]

I think where Turner is next year comes down to LT's health and the development of Rivers. If LT has injury problems this year the Chargers would have a lot more incentive to make sure Turner is around. Also if Rivers plays well at QB and the Chargers feel they have a good shot at making it to the Super Bowl it would be worth it to have Turner around as insurance. I guess there is one other scenario and that would involve the Chargers getting a good backup in the draft next year. Clear as mud.

 

[el centro]

It's tough to say what will happen with Turner. The Chargers will make him a tender offer next year such that, if another team wants him, they will have to part with at least one (maybe two) first-rounders. And if a team wants him that bad, the Chargers would probably let him go. The Chargers would also listen to offers for a sign-and-trade deal.If he remains a Charger in 2007, he'll go to the highest bidder the following year, which will not be the Chargers (unless LT has a career-ending injury).

I was just about to post a similar comment... I think he'll get tendered a good offer with SD's intention of trading him for an additional 1st or other...

 

[GreenMachine51]

I'm a big Jets fan, and since we lost LaMont, I've always thought of what might have been. I believe Turner is a FA at the end of the season, and we need this guy!!! He could be a big time back (especially in fantasy) running behind D'Brickashaw for years to come!

 

[doughboydeluxe]

I'm a big Jets fan

Problem #1

and since we lost LaMont, I've always thought of what might have been.

For what might have been, see both the NYJ and OAK games 1 and 2 of the 2006 season.

I believe Turner is a FA at the end of the season

Turner is a restricted free agent at the end of the season

and we need this guy!!!

While your team could use a quality RB, the cost might be prohibative. It would most likely cost a 1st and 3rd round pick, and for a team with as many holes as the Jets have, those picks might be better used to select two players.

He could be a big time back (especially in fantasy) running behind D'Brickashaw for years to come!

Turner could be a big time back, but I don't think he will be or should for the Jets in 2007.

 

[brednbuddah]

I'm a big Jets fan, and since we lost LaMont, I've always thought of what might have been. I believe Turner is a FA at the end of the season, and we need this guy!!! He could be a big time back (especially in fantasy) running behind D'Brickashaw (and Mangold) for years to come!

added Mangold.I agree with you bro and as a Jets fan I would love to see it, but if you were him would you want to go to the Jets or a contender?

The only silver lining I see is that Brian Schottenheimer is running the O...

 

[Sammy B]

Jets fan here. Can we get through the season first or at least deeper into the season before talking about needs? I'm sure the Jets will need a lot more than a RB by the end of the season.

 

[Couch Potato]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

 

[brednbuddah]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

that's the best you could come up with? please say your "little voices" told you to reply with that. geez that was lame.

 

[Reaper]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

Adrian Peterson?But, we can't fully express these feelings until we have a good 8-10 losses.

 

[Biabreakable]

tough croud.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

tough croud.

Wait til they get ahold of your spelling.

 

[Couch Potato]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

that's the best you could come up with? please say your "little voices" told you to reply with that. geez that was lame.

Hey, on short notice what do you want for free? I don't have Leno's writers, you know.

 

[Couch Potato]

tough croud.

Wait til they get ahold of your spelling.

That Biabreakable kan't spel. He must be the stuppedist guy on the planett.

 

[Limp Ditka]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

Adrian Peterson?But, we can't fully express these feelings until we have a good 8-10 losses.

Bears would be more than willing to part with Adrian Peterson

 

[SigEp316]

I can see him in Jacksonville next year....

 

[Yitbos69]

I would think SD would trade LT and make Turner the starter next year. They got rid of their Starting QB from last year and it seems to have worked out for them!

 

[jonessed]

I would think SD would trade LT and make Turner the starter next year. They get rid of their Starting QB from last year and it seems to have worked out for them!

Would never happen. As good as Turner is he is still no L.T.

 

[None_More_Black]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

 

[thayman]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

Adrian Peterson?But, we can't fully express these feelings until we have a good 8-10 losses.

Bears would be more than willing to part with Adrian Peterson

I belive he means the one still in college.......

 

[Couch Potato]

But you've traded for the great Kevan Bar-very-low. What more could you want?

Adrian Peterson?But, we can't fully express these feelings until we have a good 8-10 losses.

Bears would be more than willing to part with Adrian Peterson

I belive he means the one still in college.......

I believe he knew that.......

 

[packersfan]

I can see him in Jacksonville next year....

I'd rather see him in Green Bay.Unfortunately, Ted Thompson doesn't believe in free agency.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

 

[SigEp316]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

the Chargers have the money to pay him....but I don't think they will. They'll get a pick for him and bring in a veteran back-up. Also Sproles will be healthy, not that he makes that much difference.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

the Chargers have the money to pay him....but I don't think they will. They'll get a pick for him and bring in a veteran back-up. Also Sproles will be healthy, not that he makes that much difference.

Have the money to pay him what? You think Turner would sign an extension to backup LT for the rest of his career? And at what cost to the Chargers, $25 Million? There is noway Turner is a Bolt after the 07 season, and my bet is he will be on the move after this year for a late 1st rd or early 2nd rd pick.

 

[SigEp316]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

the Chargers have the money to pay him....but I don't think they will. They'll get a pick for him and bring in a veteran back-up. Also Sproles will be healthy, not that he makes that much difference.

Have the money to pay him what? You think Turner would sign an extension to backup LT for the rest of his career? And at what cost to the Chargers, $25 Million? There is noway Turner is a Bolt after the 07 season, and my bet is he will be on the move after this year for a late 1st rd or early 2nd rd pick.

What are they, 17 million under the cap? I don't think he'll sign....the Chargers could keep if they wanted to, which is what I stated above. I think he'll be gone for a pick and the Chargers will bring in a veteran back-up.I think he'll be a Jag next year.

 

[BoulderBob]

Pretty much every team in the league could plug Turner in as a starter, the Jets, however, need to build the lines before they spend big cash on an RB like Turner. Some team picking at the end of the 1st will give up their pick for Turner. IMO, there are only a handul, if that, of backs that have his talent.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

the Chargers have the money to pay him....but I don't think they will. They'll get a pick for him and bring in a veteran back-up. Also Sproles will be healthy, not that he makes that much difference.

Have the money to pay him what? You think Turner would sign an extension to backup LT for the rest of his career? And at what cost to the Chargers, $25 Million? There is noway Turner is a Bolt after the 07 season, and my bet is he will be on the move after this year for a late 1st rd or early 2nd rd pick.

What are they, 17 million under the cap? I don't think he'll sign....the Chargers could keep if they wanted to, which is what I stated above. I think he'll be gone for a pick and the Chargers will bring in a veteran back-up.

I think he'll be a Jag next year.

Ugghh"In Theory" the Bolts have the money to keep him I suppose. As "In Theory" the Chargers can offer the Colts their next 10 first rd picks for Manning.

But in "Reality" they can't keep Turner if they want to after 2007 unless they franchise him at like $10 Mill, or sign him to a ridiculous extension of something upwards of $25 million, which even then it is likely Turner, being an UFA, will opt to go somewhere else where he gets to be the man.

Turner is gone either this offseason or next off season, he will not stay.

And no the Chargers are not $17 Mill under the cap for this year, they have resigned several players this summer to longterm deals. They were $10 Mill under in June, and since have signed a couple other guys (Jammer mainly) and are working on Deilman and Philips extensions. Source: http://home.earthlink.net/~bdave/id24.html

Their 2007 cap space as of now is unclear, I don't know what the number will be yet, but it is neither here nor there, the Chargers will tender Turner a deal likely around 2 Mill for the 07 season, then he is either traded or leaves on his own accord after next season. Frankly I can't see how he won't be traded this offseason.

Sorry if that came off rude, the point is to illustrate that Turner will be off to greener pasteures soon, at what compensation is still to be determined. If the Jets finish with a top 10 pick (50-50 at this point), the Jets 2nd rd pick might be enough.

 

[SigEp316]

I don't think it would cost them a first rounder unless SD franchised him. Could be wrong. I think it would be a good move for the Jets.

He is a restricted free agent, they just have to tender him a contract. If they do the highest tender, another team would have to give up a 1st and 3rd rd pick to sign him. In other words, if Turner is going to be on the move this offseason, it will likely be a trade (as long as he works out an extension with the other club). My best guess is Turner will be gone for a high 2nd rd pick or low 1st rder. Anything else and I doubt the Chargers do anything cept let him play 1 more year as LTs backup and then set sail to rich waters in 08.

the Chargers have the money to pay him....but I don't think they will. They'll get a pick for him and bring in a veteran back-up. Also Sproles will be healthy, not that he makes that much difference.

Have the money to pay him what? You think Turner would sign an extension to backup LT for the rest of his career? And at what cost to the Chargers, $25 Million? There is noway Turner is a Bolt after the 07 season, and my bet is he will be on the move after this year for a late 1st rd or early 2nd rd pick.

What are they, 17 million under the cap? I don't think he'll sign....the Chargers could keep if they wanted to, which is what I stated above. I think he'll be gone for a pick and the Chargers will bring in a veteran back-up.I think he'll be a Jag next year.

Sorry if that came off rude, the point is to illustrate that Turner will be off to greener pasteures soon, at what compensation is still to be determined. If the Jets finish with a top 10 pick (50-50 at this point), the Jets 2nd rd pick might be enough.

agreed

 

[FreeBaGeL]

and since we lost LaMont, I've always thought of what might have been.

For what might have been, see both the NYJ and OAK games 1 and 2 of the 2006 season.

 

[Biabreakable]

tough croud.

Wait til they get ahold of your spelling.

That Biabreakable kan't spel. He must be the stuppedist guy on the planett.

Hooked on fonics worked 4 me.

 

[GreenMachine51]

and since we lost LaMont, I've always thought of what might have been.

For what might have been, see both the NYJ and OAK games 1 and 2 of the 2006 season.

True...a little bit of an over-dramatic statement on my part....but even looking rough on the Raiders he looks like Jim Brown compared to Kevan Barlow!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would think SD would trade LT and make Turner the starter next year. They got rid of their Starting QB from last year and it seems to have worked out for them!

They won't trade LT. I like Turner a lot, but Tomlinson is better.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Have the money to pay him what? You think Turner would sign an extension to backup LT for the rest of his career?

If I were the Chargers, I'd offer Turner an extension, and I'd front-load it to help make it attractive. But I wouldn't expect him to sign it. He'll wait and see what offers he gets as a free agent from other clubs. It'd be worth a shot to make the offer, though.

 

[corpcow]

I'm a big Jets fan

Problem #1

Oh, stop it. Isn't there some bandwagon you can jump on?

and we need this guy!!!

While your team could use a quality RB, the cost might be prohibative. It would most likely cost a 1st and 3rd round pick, and for a team with as many holes as the Jets have, those picks might be better used to select two players.

We really don't have THAT many holes. We were terrible last year, but we were on our FOURTH quarterback. We had issues at OL and we addressed them with two first rounders in the draft. Our defense is solid, even after losing Abraham.

 

[corpcow]

I would think SD would trade LT and make Turner the starter next year. They got rid of their Starting QB from last year and it seems to have worked out for them!