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***Mid Season RB Expert Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
For everyone's lists so far, agree with most but Kevin Jones needs to move down towards the end of your top 20. He'll still be playing in Detroit next year he hasn't had the opportunity to show much and he won't have the opportunity for the rest of the year. That line needs too much help. He's still too big of a question mark for him to be ranked higher than, say, SOD. Also, I would put Deshaun Foster in the top 20 as well. Assuming he's back healthy for the season, Davis's starting days are over IMHO. That knee won't hold up to all the pounding (I guess it never did). I wouldn't be surprised if we hear retirement rumors during the offseason. 
Hendo
Footballguy
thats exactly my point but u refuse to believe i am correct in sayign he was not a 1st round grade which he wasnt.
believe what u wish if u need any info or have a fax email me its in my personal info in here.
u forgot Great Blue, and they use a "9" with .5 scale.- any idiot can sign up for that. and this is filled with other scouts information its not how each individual grades by.- altho u can say that for them all and let me get this straight Frank Coyle is a senior scout yet scouts hired by others only use his pesonal system? are u serious? u cant be... Frank's the best in the business tho. Blesto isnt a system all scouts grade players with either its not the bible. which u are trying to claim here.
thats ecellent really, i love the sport and fantasy football. altho my wife like's neither i'm not here to "establish" my career take my words with a grain of salt. but your comments of Onterio Smith being graded a 1st rounder is false. believe what u will.
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spOOfy
Footballguy
1. Tomlinson2. Alexander3. McAllister4. CBrown5. McGahee6. AGreen7. Holmes8. Portis9. James10. Lewis11. Barber12. Martin13. Suggs14. DDavis15. Taylor16. Henry17. RJohnson18. Dillon19. SJackson20. Rhodes21. SDavis22. KJones23. MFaulk24. Barlow25. Pittman26. Westbrook27. Staley28. OSmith29. TJones30. Droughns31. JJones32. Bennett33. Dunn34. Foster35. WGreen
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
My quick list:1 Tomlinson, LaDainian RB, San Diego Chargers2 Alexander, Shaun RB, Seattle Seahawks3 Green, Ahman RB, Green Bay Packers4 Lewis, Jamal RB, Baltimore Ravens5 James, Edgerrin RB, Indianapolis Colts6 McAllister, Deuce RB, New Orleans Saints7 McGahee, Willis RB, Buffalo Bills8 Holmes, Priest RB, Kansas City Chiefs9 Jones, Thomas RB, Chicago Bears10 Portis, Clinton RB, Washington Redskins11 Brown, Chris RB, Tennessee Titans12 Davis, Domanick RB, Houston Texans13 Taylor, Fred RB, Jacksonville Jaguars14 Westbrook, Brian RB, Philadelphia Eagles15 Barlow, Kevan RB, San Francisco 49ers16 Henry, Travis RB, Buffalo Bills17 Martin, Curtis RB, New York Jets18 Smith, Onterrio RB, Minnesota Vikings19 Suggs, Lee RB, Cleveland Browns20 Barber, Tiki RB, New York Giants21 Dillon, Corey RB, New England Patriots22 Dunn, Warrick RB, Atlanta Falcons23 Staley, Duce RB, Pittsburgh Steelers24 Johnson, Rudi RB, Cincinnati Bengals25 Faulk, Marshall RB, St. Louis Rams26 Jackson, Steven RB, St. Louis Rams - Goes way up if Faulk retires (up about 15-18 spots)27 Foster, DeShaun RB, Carolina Panthers28 Bell, Tatum RB, Denver Broncos29 Williams, Ricky RB, N/A30 Bennett, Michael RB, Minnesota Vikings31 Jordan, LaMont RB, New York Jets32 Pittman, Michael RB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers33 Thomas, Anthony RB, Chicago Bears34 Jones, Julius RB, Dallas Cowboys35 Green, William RB, Cleveland BrownsOops add Kevin Jones at #17.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
1. Ladanian Tomlinson2. Shaun Alexander3. Ahman Green4. Edgerin James5. Jamal Lewis6. Deuce McCallister7. Chris Brown8. Willis McGahee 
9. clinton portis10. Tiki Barber11. Priest Holmes12. Rudi Johnson 13. Steven Jackson14. Kevan Barlow15. Domanick Davis16. Kevin Jones17. Julius Jones18. Onterio Smith19. Thomas Jones20. Deshaun Foster21. Reuben Droughns22. Corey Dillon23. Fred Taylor24. Brian Westbrook25. Lee Suggs26. Duce Staley27. Curtis Martin28. LaMont Jordan29. Meweldee Moore30. Travis Henry31. T.J. Duckett32. Marshall Faulk33. Warrick Dunn34. Willie Green35. Mike Bennett
9. clinton portis10. Tiki Barber11. Priest Holmes12. Rudi Johnson 13. Steven Jackson14. Kevan Barlow15. Domanick Davis16. Kevin Jones17. Julius Jones18. Onterio Smith19. Thomas Jones20. Deshaun Foster21. Reuben Droughns22. Corey Dillon23. Fred Taylor24. Brian Westbrook25. Lee Suggs26. Duce Staley27. Curtis Martin28. LaMont Jordan29. Meweldee Moore30. Travis Henry31. T.J. Duckett32. Marshall Faulk33. Warrick Dunn34. Willie Green35. Mike Bennett
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Boy, Girl, or Cub?
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
One lesson I learned very early in my first dynasty league was to have patience. Kevin Jones has been a tremendous disappointment, but that doesn't all fall on his shoulders. I know it might sound odd, but losing Charles Rogers really hurt Jones' short term prospects. Without Rogers the Lions only have one legitimate receiving threat. Furthermore, Joey Harrington has struggled to sustain drives. I watch the Lions closely when they have the ball and it seems like they're almost always going three and out. That makes it hard for a RB to get anything going. It doesn't help having an OL that is playing terribly. I don't know if Jones will turn it on this year, but I watched him a lot in college and am pretty confident that he has what it takes to develop into an NFL standout. Situation is important in redraft leagues, but talent is what matters most in dynasty leagues. Situations can change on a weekly basis. A coaching change or draft pick can change the entire dynamics of a player's value. That's why I don't draft based on good situations. I draft based on talent because talent ultimately transcends situation. In terms of talent vs. projected longevity, I think KJ is easily a top ten fantasy back. He's been a disappointment so far, but Onterrio Smith and Chris Brown taught me last year not to get overly swayed by short term returns. It's common for rookies to come out of the gates a little slow. It's tempting to sour on them, but that's not the smart thing to do. The smart thing is to be patient and give them some time. Take a look at Thomas Jones. He was completely written off, but he always had the physical tools. It took him a few years, but he finally put it together. Some guys never put it together, but I'm not yet convinced that Kevin Jones is one of those guys. He's shown flashes. It's just a matter of developing some discipline and consistency.For everyone's lists so far, agree with most but Kevin Jones needs to move down towards the end of your top 20. He'll still be playing in Detroit next year he hasn't had the opportunity to show much and he won't have the opportunity for the rest of the year. That line needs too much help. He's still too big of a question mark for him to be ranked higher than, say, SOD. Also, I would put Deshaun Foster in the top 20 as well. Assuming he's back healthy for the season, Davis's starting days are over IMHO. That knee won't hold up to all the pounding (I guess it never did). I wouldn't be surprised if we hear retirement rumors during the offseason.
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Great point. Everything else you said regarding his situations are the reasons I used to talk myself out of considering KJ. I do not believe KJ's disappointing this season thusfar has anything to do with his abilities at all. I hope they draft some good oline help now that they have great young talents at the money positions.
KJ displayed great talent at Vtech, but this Lions offensive line has been horrible at run blocking for the last three years. (Oline rankings)The line is full of high round draft picks and big money free agent Damien Woody. Can you really expect the Oline to get better when the Lions have already invested mucho resources in it?
Hendo
Footballguy
yup. McDougle is a bust and a FA and is gone/will be. Raolia they need to replace too hes undersized to play Center. Backus the jusry is still out on... he has seemed solid at times. Woody is actualy playign decent now. they need to drop Loverne who they signed for depth and to back up the other gaurd position but the failure to sign Garmon in the offseason made it so he has started. they need to replace: Loverne/Raolia/McDougle from that line.
beto
Footballguy
This is getting more difficult to rank the top.1. Ladanian Tomlinson2. Shaun Alexander3. Clinton Portis4. Duece McCallister5. Jamal Lewis6. Ahman Green7. Edgerrin James8. Chris Brown9. Priest Holmes10. Tiki Barber11. Willis McGahee12. Kevan Barlow13. Steven Jackson14. Thomas Jones15. Domanick Davis16. Onterrio Smith17. Deshaun Foster18. Corey Dillon19. Fred Taylor20. Kevin Jones21. Lee Suggs22. Curtis Martin23. Travis Henry24. Brian Westbrook25. Rudi Johnson26. Duce Staley27. Michael Bennett28. LaMont Jordan29. Mewelde Moore30. Julius Jones31. T.J. Duckett32. Marshall Faulk33. Warrick Dunn34. Willie Green35. Tatum Bell
switz
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OK, my final reply. Yours was reasonable though it doesn't change my position.A. I only know O had a first round grade by a number of scouts because of the few I know. I actually know one who gave him a 5th round grade, and I know one who said he advised his senior to leave him off the board. He had a first round talent grade, but off field issues had many give him a second round grade, and then he fell to the fourth. You're wrong in saying not one had him with a first round grade. Sorry.B. I included GBN, and stated they use a 9 point scale. But I don't know anyone who works for them.C. Coyle rocks!C'est finis!D. If you really ARE a scout, I'd love to see your input on the players coming out...thats exactly my point but u refuse to believe i am correct in sayign he was not a 1st round grade which he wasnt.believe what u wish if u need any info or have a fax email me its in my personal info in here.u forgot Great Blue, and they use a "9" with .5 scale.- any idiot can sign up for that. and this is filled with other scouts information its not how each individual grades by.- altho u can say that for them all and let me get this straight Frank Coyle is a senior scout yet scouts hired by others only use his pesonal system? are u serious? u cant be... Frank's the best in the business tho. Blesto isnt a system all scouts grade players with either its not the bible. which u are trying to claim here.thats ecellent really, i love the sport and fantasy football. altho my wife like's neither i'm not here to "establish" my career take my words with a grain of salt. but your comments of Onterio Smith being graded a 1st rounder is false. believe what u will.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
One trend I see on everyone's lists is that Travis Henry is ranked pretty low compared to, say, Brian Westbrook. Let's say for the sake of argument that Henry gets traded to another team and starts for that team - a reasonable scenario. Given that liklihood, shouldn't that make Henry more valuable than a Westbrook? Henry is capable of carrying the rock 25-30 times per game. Contrastingly, it seems like Philadelphia will never feature Westbrook the same way.Westbrook is only one year younger than Henry.I'm not a Henry owner, but it seems like he's being underrated here.
switz
Footballguy
I'm not sure what's going to happen with SA at the end of the year. There are grumblings out of SEA that they aren't happy with him, and may let him walk in free agency. He'll expect big money, but I don't see a ton of teams looking to add RBs. I'm just not sure where he'll end up, so right now there are too many ??'s to rank him highly.
switz
Footballguy
In that scenario, yes, seeing he's a starter, BUT... the same situation as Alexander. Look at it this way, in next year's market there will likely be Alexander, Bennett, Henry, possibly Rudi Johnson, Edgerrin James, and William Green, plus a few notable rookie RBs.Name the teams that need a RB...Arizona - ShippKC - are they set w/ Blaylock/Johnson if Priest retires?CIN - if Rudi leaves are they set with Perry?PHI - Westbrook can't carry the loadOAK - Zero, Ty, Fargas, ???DAL - Julius Jones will get a chance firstIt just doesn't seem like there are many teams that will look for a RB...
Hendo
Footballguy
i agree with this as well.... Westy can not handle the load and is under sized... however a very talented more of a scat back type. i do forsee the Eagles goign with a bigger runner in the offseason and moving Westbrook to change of pace. Henry is still mightily up in the air... theres alot of good to great FA runners in this years market and theres also maybe 3 diper dandy's in the draft. *IF Henry lands a starting job on a new team next year he will shoot up my rankings. but for now he stays cause the future this year in the NFL regaurding backs is very much muddled. Edge Alexander Jordan just off the top of my head are the 3 best FA's going into next year. then u got potential trade fodder in Henry Bennett and diper dandy's: Caddy Williams Benson Brown who i think are all capable of a starting gig if they enter the draft. theres only so many starting gigs avail too.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
It does look like a pretty thin market for RBs looking for new homes, but that can change quickly. I think these teams could have new starters soon:Arizona - Emmitt is a fossil and I'm not sold on Shipp as the long term answer. I look for them to draft back fairly high. Oakland - I like Fargas, but the Raiders would be fools to count on him given his track record of injuries. I heard they were interested in Clarett last year before his case was overturned. I expect them to have either a high profile free agent or a new first day draft pick in the backfield next year. New York Jets - Curtis Martin is still playing well, but he's getting old. Sooner or later he's going to break down. I don't think the Jets will be able to keep Jordan around, but I do think they'll bring in another backup through the draft. Miami - This is a team in shambles, but they have little talent at RB. I don't think Lamar Gordon is anything special. The Dolphins have more holes than draft picks, but maybe they'll go after one of the free agents like LaMont Jordan or Shaun Alexander. More remote possibilities include:Seattle JacksonvilleAtlantaTampa Bay
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switz
Footballguy
ARI is guaranteed to grab a new starter. Alot think Green is in love with Bennett, but I'm not so sure. I think he'll either draft a RB, or if available grab SA.OAK definitely needs an RB, but I am 99% positive they'll go through the draft, remote possibility of Travis Henry.NYJ will keep Jordan at the expense of Martin, if Martin stays then they will go draft.MIA should go after a FA, but I'm not so sure ANY FA RB will want to play in MIA.SEA likes MoMo but will likely go for an RB in the draft, can't see any of the FAs exciting them.JAX has no need, they have Taylor who is still relatively young, and have drafted his backup/rteplacement already.Atlanta has no RB needs at all.TB, Gruden is very happy with the Pittman/Garner combo. I can't envision him going after another RB.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Money talks. After the draft Miami will be headed in a new direction with a new coach and a new QB (Rodgers or Leinart). I'm sure some free agent RB will be perfectly willing to take some money off their hands in order to come in and "be a part of the exciting rebuilding process."
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Well said. But I'd add Miami and Arizona to that list. Certainly, if Henry ends up in a dynamic offense, I would think his stock would rise.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
You'd rank Jordan over Henry as a free agent?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Ah yes. I forgot. But Henry is all but assured to be traded or released.
Hear-the-Footsteps
Footballguy
Where will the results of these dynasty rankings be found?Thanks
Riffraff
Footballguy
I wonder about DeShawn Foster being listed highly on any of these lists.NFL experience: 3 years.2002 0 of 16 games played2003 14 of 16 games played2004 4 of 16 games played (on IR already)That's 18 of 48 games he's played in. How many 100 yard games did he have in those 18 games he played in? Only 1.He did have a nice play-off game... fantasy football players only seem to remember that game.One season's injuries can be a fluke, 2 and indication, 3 is a huge trend.Now I can understand people not believing in Davis due to injuries, but why not Foster for the same reasons?Davis got them to the play-offs and was an MVP candidate until he got injured again, Foster just filled in when Davis couldn't go. Foster seems like a Biakabutuka type career player to me. A good game every now and again, but for the most part never sees the field as a full timer because he can't take a hit. Carolina could be in the market to draft a first day RB in the 2005 draft. Nobody is mentioning them though.
Hendo
Footballguy
riff i like foster alot but given the contract Davis signed there i cant see them benching the guy paying him all that money. i think Deshaun actualy is very concerning i wouldnt be shocked to see the Panthers select a RB high in the draft but also i think Foster has extreme potential and ability it all depends on how much of a trend his injuries have become. he was banged up in college as well. so there is a trend there.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I can assure you he wont be released.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
1. Ladainian Tomlinson2. Shaun Alexander3. Jamal Lewis4. Clinton Portis5. Deuce McAllister6. Edgerrin James7. Ahman Green8. Willis McGahee9. Steven Jackson10. Chris Brown11. Priest Holmes12. Tiki Barber13. Domanick Davis14. Fred Taylor15. Kevan Barlow16. Kevin Jones17. Corey Dillon18. Curtis Martin19. Reuben Droughns20. Onterrio Smith21. Ricky Williams 22. Thomas Jones23. Rudi Jonson24. Travis Henry25. Brian Westbrook26. Duce Staley27. De'Shaun Foster28. Najeh Davenport29. Lee Suggs30. Michael Bennett31. Mewelde Moore32. Julius Jones33. Stephen Davis34. Lamont Jordan35. Warrick Dunn 36. T.J. Duckett37. Chris Perry38. Maurice Morris39. William Green40. Larry Johnson13 thru 26 seem to be awfully similar in value.
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Disco Stu
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1 LaDainian Tomlinson2 Shaun Alexander3 Clinton Portis4 Jamal Lewis5 Edgerrin James6 Willis McGahee7 Deuce McAllister8 Ahman Green9 Chris Brown10 Priest Holmes11 Domanick Davis12 Onterrio Smith13 Tiki Barber14 Thomas Jones15 Steven Jackson16 Rudi Johnson17 Kevin Jones18 Fred Taylor19 DeShaun Foster20 Kevan Barlow21 Reuben Droughns22 Corey Dillon23 Curtis Martin24 Brian Westbrook25 Michael Pittman26 Warrick Dunn27 Duce Staley28 Julius Jones29 Ricky Williams30 Michael Bennett31 Lee Suggs32 Derrick Blaylock33 Chris Perry34 Anthony Thomas35 Marcel Shipp
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Lamont Jordan is a average Rb. I seriously doubt he becomes a feature Rb for any team in 2005. There are much better options available.I believe Mooch will make some improvements to the Lions Oline going into year 2 that will enable Kevin Jones to perform much better than he has so far this year.I am begining to think that Indianapolis will keep Edge over Marvin Harrison depending on how much Edge can get from another team. Possibly franchised?SA might get the franchise tag also unless they intend to use it on Walter Jones for the 3rd year in a row?I think Anthony Thomas will be a starter for a new team in 2005. Travis Henry might possibly also.
RBM
Footballguy
1 LaDanian Tomlinson2 Shaun Alexander3 Ahman Green4 Jamal Lewis5 Deuce McCallister6 Edgerrin James7 Chris Brown8 Priest Holmes9 Clinton Portis10 Tiki Barber11 Willis McGahee12 Thomas Jones13 Rickey Williams14 Kevan Barlow15 Domanick Davis16 Steven Jackson17 Fred Taylor18 Reuben Droughns19 Corey Dillon20 Lee Suggs21 Kevin Jones22 Duce Staley23 Rudi Johnson24 Onterrio Smith25 Julius Jones26 Curtis Martin27 Travis Henry28 TJ Duckett29 Brian Westbrook30 Steven Davis31 Anthony Thomas32 Michael Bennett33 Tatum Bell34 Marshall Faulk35 William Green
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
If Faulk retires at the end of this year, where does Jackson go?
Hendo
Footballguy
5'10 230lbs with a sub 4.5 40... that isnt average. plus hes got the vision and power on field to make things happen. some team will give him a shot. the only better FA options are paying high for Edge or Alexander.
u mean year 3? this is his 2nd year in Detroit. if they dont do something with the OL then that team is in trouble its under sized in the middle and too much jackle/hide goin gon there. Loverne was brought in to back up Garmon who they almost signed till he slipped to Cleveland.
they might be able to possibly resign both. Pollian stated this a few times. but its a possibility if Peyton restructures.
when push comes to shove they will no doubt use the franchise tag on Walter Jones the leagues best tackle in the game today if both are unable to sign long term. the team has confidence in Maurice Morris's abilities as well.
possibly u will see the FA rb's go first. teams wont trade for a guy if they can get same quality or better from the free agent pool. thers alot of trade bait out there and i cant see them all moving: henry bennett thomas factor in the draft and the FA's theres not going to be enough openings for all these guys. just my opinion tho.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I'm sorry, I'm not following. Is that a pro-Onterrio or an anti-Onterrio sentiment?
cstu
Footballguy
QUOTE I believe Mooch will make some improvements to the Lions Oline going into year 2 that will enable Kevin Jones to perform much better than he has so far this year. u mean year 3? this is his 2nd year in Detroit. if they dont do something with the OL then that team is in trouble its under sized in the middle and too much jackle/hide goin gon there. Loverne was brought in to back up Garmon who they almost signed till he slipped to Cleveland.------------Maybe he was talking about KJ's year 2? Regardless, he is being ranked too low (#16-21?) for a guy that is already the starter. I know people are factoring in their bad line, but just look at SD to see how quickly a OL can be fixed up. They have most of their holes filled up and the OL will be a focus in the offseason.
Hendo
Footballguy
believe what u want switzMeasurables are not all there is to running the ball... I've seen nothing from Jordan in the past couple years to indicate he's any better than a backup, exactly what he was slated as coming out
. the Jets did not spend a 2nd round pick for a career back up. maybe you missed his lone game where he recieved 14 carries for a buck+ against Miami this year. who knows but hes the complete package. he has not recieved alot to go off of cause theres this hall of famer guy named Curtis Martin ahead of him. we shall see who is right soon enough.
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Boone22
Footballguy
Do you even watch the Jets games? Jordan has 963 yards on 191 caries for a CAREER average of 5.0 ypc. What makes that even more impressive is that many of those carries were on goaline or short-yardage downs where teams knew the Jets were going to run the ball. So the defenses were geared to stop Jordan and he's still putting up 5.0 ypc. I live in New Jersey so I get to see every Jets game (No I'm not a Jets Homer). Jordan runs with power, has good moves, and some nice speed. What impresses me about him is that when he gets hit, he delivers the blow he doesn't take it. He also finishes off his runs by running people over and running hard.It amazed me last year and this off-season when people said "Well he can't even beat out Martin, how good can he be?". Anyone seen what Martin is doing lately??? The reason Jordan couldn't beat out Martin was because Martin is the heart and soul of the Jets. He's a consistent producer who has chemistry with the offense. He'sa leader on and off the field and most importantly...he's been affordable! Why would the Jets screw with something that's worked for so long. Martin's had 1000+ yards rushing ever year he's been in the league AND he has a career average of 4.0 ypc.
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