Middle Age RB's (1 Viewer)

[bjlmonster]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?

Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.

Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrs

Steven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.

Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)

DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.

Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

 

[Tanner9919]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?

Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.

Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrs

Steven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.

Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)

DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.

Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Gore will be just fineBenson has little work on his legs prior to last season, expect continual Rudi Johnson-esque seasons out of him for the next 4+ years..he's going to be a rock at 1200-1300 yards, 7-10 td...a very solid #2/3 RB..great #2 for larger leagues..

D. Williams will finish in top 10 with or without Stewart hawking carries..he's a stud for the next 3 years, at least

Grant might have one or two more quality seasons left in him in GB

I'm worried about Sjax - 1500+ lifetime carries, a boatload of career recs, recent surgery, bad o-line, lousy QB , lousy coaching staff, improving defenses in NFC West...if there is a 'sell high' RB out of this bunch, in my opinion, it is Sjax..

 

[Birdie048]

I'm worried about Sjax - 1500+ lifetime carries, a boatload of career recs, recent surgery, bad o-line, lousy QB , lousy coaching staff, improving defenses in NFC West...if there is a 'sell high' RB out of this bunch, in my opinion, it is Sjax..

I agree 100%!! S Jax has had back trouble and when surgery is required to walk, the potential for re-injury is too great for me to risk a high pick on him. His revolving door OL only push Bulger to the medic and left him out in the wind. Bradford might be able to take the beating but if he gets shell shocked (ala Carr in Hou), it will not be good for any skill player in StL. Benson might be next on the list simply due to the issues in Cinn and Carson Palmer's return from injury. They have been a pass happy offense but Benson allowed them to run more with Palmer recovering from the injury last year. DeA Will & Gore will still be Top 10 value. Brandon Jacobs fell out of favor in NYG last year. Eli managed to pick up some of the slack with his new weapons in Nicks & S Smith, but A Bradshaw can not handle the load alone and Jacobs is not the lead dog. He could return to a nice GL/short yardage RB, but he does not have the every down RB role right now. Sproles is not worth his $$. Rookie Ryan Matthews will be the lead dog in SD and Sproles will see the "Exit" sign soon enough. I like Sproles skill set, and he is electric in open space, but he does not have the starting RB role in him. Addai will continue to lead the RBBC over D Brown in Indy. Brown has to learn/show more. Addai will be primary, but still split 60/40 touches. Add Caddy Williams to the age/lost step group IMO.

 

[shader]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.

A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.

The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

 

[Ray_T]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

yes, but part of that was a change in offensive philosophy of the chargers and the decline of the O-line too. It was not Just LT.I figured his numbers would decline the minute shottenheimer was fired due to the inferior coach they put in his place.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.

A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.

The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

In the NFL yes; In college, he had 1000 carries in 4 seasons.

 

[Scooby1974]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.

A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.

The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

LT has dropped from undisputed #1 RB in fantasy land status for sure, but still put up rather "premier" stats the past 2 seasons. I agree that selling for a King's ransom was the way to go. He may have fell apart in people's minds given the otherworldly expectations we had for him, but to say he fell apart 2 years ago is interesting in light of the 1500 total yards and 12 TD's he had in 2008 and even last year's 900 total yards and 12 TD performance behind a rather porous Oline. My guess is I'm not the only one he helped to a Championship in those years.

I agree on Deangelo, he hasn't taken the beating and should have pretty fresh legs going forward for the next few years.

I also see Gore having a good season, but if Anthony Dixon is the real deal he could start pushing for more carries as the season progresses. If that happens, the time to move Gore might be 2/3 of the way through this season if you don't think you have a very legit shot to contend.

 

[comet909]

Benson is also in a contract year.

 

[Concept Coop]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrsSteven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Jackson will be 27 at the start of the season, so they are all the same age for the most part. GoreJacksonWIlliamsBensonGrantAddaiJacobsSprolesAs has been mentioned, you trade a back a year or even two early as opposed to a year late. I would be looking to move all of these guys, if you can get top value. I usually look to sell a top back at 27-28 and buy a top back at 23-25 OR 29-30. I traded SJ for CJ last year and hit a homerun, obviously, and didn't anticipate that. But I was lucky enough to sell right around that 27-28 range, and buy at the 23-25 range. In two years I will be looking to do the same with CJ.

 

[RUSF18]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

 

[shader]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.

A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.

The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

LT has dropped from undisputed #1 RB in fantasy land status for sure, but still put up rather "premier" stats the past 2 seasons. I agree that selling for a King's ransom was the way to go. He may have fell apart in people's minds given the otherworldly expectations we had for him, but to say he fell apart 2 years ago is interesting in light of the 1500 total yards and 12 TD's he had in 2008 and even last year's 900 total yards and 12 TD performance behind a rather porous Oline. My guess is I'm not the only one he helped to a Championship in those years.

I agree on Deangelo, he hasn't taken the beating and should have pretty fresh legs going forward for the next few years.

I also see Gore having a good season, but if Anthony Dixon is the real deal he could start pushing for more carries as the season progresses. If that happens, the time to move Gore might be 2/3 of the way through this season if you don't think you have a very legit shot to contend.

You're making my point and you don't even realize it.Guys don't fall apart overnight. If you traded him in the 2007 off-season, you get a king's ransom for him. If you try to trade him in 2008 or 2009, most people realize he's too old. LT is currently on the waiver wire in one of my leagues waiting to be drafted.

The point is that you trade these guys while at their peak, and before they go off the other side.

Did a person who traded him before 2008 miss out on his 1500 yard, 12 TD season? Yes. But hopefully they got a whole lot more in return because LT's value right now is in the gutter.

If you try to get too cute with it, you're stuck holding an old RB that nobody wants. You're much better off trading the guy while he's on top and risking that you MIGHT miss one year of elite production.

 

[Bada Bing]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I've got a trade offer on the table right now. I offered Addai and got an owner that will give me Hakeem Nicks for him. I'm very tempted but I don't know if Nicks is going to be the real deal or not. I can see the Colts letting Addai walk after this year like they did with Edge.

 

[finito]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I've got a trade offer on the table right now. I offered Addai and got an owner that will give me Hakeem Nicks for him. I'm very tempted but I don't know if Nicks is going to be the real deal or not. I can see the Colts letting Addai walk after this year like they did with Edge.

I would take Nicks over Addai any day of the week.

 

[comfortably numb]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I've got a trade offer on the table right now. I offered Addai and got an owner that will give me Hakeem Nicks for him. I'm very tempted but I don't know if Nicks is going to be the real deal or not. I can see the Colts letting Addai walk after this year like they did with Edge.

I would take Nicks over Addai any day of the week.

Only way I don't do this is if your league awards 10ppg for RB named Addai....who play RB for the Colts.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Curious what D-Williams would fetch...

 

[hostile]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?

Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.

Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrs

Steven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.

Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)

DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.

Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Gore will be just fineBenson has little work on his legs prior to last season, expect continual Rudi Johnson-esque seasons out of him for the next 4+ years..he's going to be a rock at 1200-1300 yards, 7-10 td...a very solid #2/3 RB..great #2 for larger leagues..

D. Williams will finish in top 10 with or without Stewart hawking carries..he's a stud for the next 3 years, at least

Grant might have one or two more quality seasons left in him in GB

I'm worried about Sjax - 1500+ lifetime carries, a boatload of career recs, recent surgery, bad o-line, lousy QB , lousy coaching staff, improving defenses in NFC West...if there is a 'sell high' RB out of this bunch, in my opinion, it is Sjax..

... but that's the thing. He's not really a "sell high" anymore.

Everyone knows his physical style, the number of carries, the surgery, the age, the oline, the qb, etc, etc, etc.

I just saw a deal for SJax which was Forte/Demarius Thomas/Housh in return - it was all he could get for SJax b/c no one in the league wanted him for anything remotely close to what his value "should" be.

I think you do one of three things with SJax, depending on how successful your team is:

1) Get what you can and call it a day, even if it is selling low.

2) Wait until Week 11-12, then sell him off to a team which could win the whole thing, but needs some extra punch at RB for the push to the crown.

3) Ride him into the ground.

Of course, with #2, you run the risk of him doing a Westbrook/Portis/Brown, getting injured in such a way it kills any and all value.

 

[Bada Bing]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I've got a trade offer on the table right now. I offered Addai and got an owner that will give me Hakeem Nicks for him. I'm very tempted but I don't know if Nicks is going to be the real deal or not. I can see the Colts letting Addai walk after this year like they did with Edge.

I would take Nicks over Addai any day of the week.

Only way I don't do this is if your league awards 10ppg for RB named Addai....who play RB for the Colts.

Addai gets no love even though he was the #7 RB in 2009(#6 in ppg). He also finished #3 in 2007. I was trading him because of his age and contract situation not because he hasn't produced.

 

[Go deep]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

This guy knows things. Alot of people do think youre crazy if you trade a top RB in the "prime" of his career. I have built 4 dynasty teams doing that exact thing. I dont neccassarily wait until they are 27, although that is usually the case. I will trade a RB when i think his value has peaked, or is about to start going downhill. There are basically two kind of dynasty owners. One who love the guys who put up numbers in the past, and the other who love the guys who have yet to hit their peak. I happen the be the latter of the two guys.Sure, its a bit riskier, but its the only way to build a true dynasty, to establish and keep a dominant team year in and year out. I did just recently trade Steven Jackson for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks plus a bit more. I heard the same stuff as i hear everytime i makes trades like that. "You dont trade studs for the new shiny toy!" and other things like that. I ended up with Spiller and Ben Tate, and they are far from sure things, but i stand to gain far more than i can lose. The funny thing is i took Jackson in the initial dynasty draft with a 1.4 pick, and was laughed at because i took him over Shaun Alexander, who was supposedly the obvious pick there. Of course the next year SA got hurt and never put up top 25 RB numbers again. attingselfonback:

 

[comfortably numb]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I've got a trade offer on the table right now. I offered Addai and got an owner that will give me Hakeem Nicks for him. I'm very tempted but I don't know if Nicks is going to be the real deal or not. I can see the Colts letting Addai walk after this year like they did with Edge.

I would take Nicks over Addai any day of the week.

Only way I don't do this is if your league awards 10ppg for RB named Addai....who play RB for the Colts.

Addai gets no love even though he was the #7 RB in 2009(#6 in ppg). He also finished #3 in 2007. I was trading him because of his age and contract situation not because he hasn't produced.

I respect what he has to offer, but he didn't go over 80yds in any game last year.His ceiling is pretty limited IMO.Doesn't mean he can not perform still, but Nicks is a very talented and physical player and will be taken ahead of Addai in 99% of drafts this year, by a decent margin.

 

[SSOG]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrsSteven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Tier 1-Frank Gore, DeAngelo Williamsfantastic talents in fantastic situations, both are proven uberstuds both in the NFL and in fantasy.Tier 2-Steven Jacksonas talented as Gore and Williams, but in the worst possible situation and nursing a back injury. It's funny that I wasn't really worried about Jackson's health when he missed 4 games in back to back years, and then he goes out and plays 15 games and suddenly I see him as an injury risk... but that back injury is exactly the type of injury I could see lingering.Tier 3-Ryan Grant, Cedric Bensondecent talents who get enough touches to put up very respectable fantasy numbers. Age isn't a huge worry for these guys, because I think talent will rob them of their starting jobs before age does.Tier 4-Joseph Addai, Brandon JacobsAddai is a below-average talent in a phenomenal offense. He put up great numbers last year, but I expect him to get phased out as Donald Brown develops. Jacobs is a better talent on paper, but he didn't look at all like himself last year. I think his best days are already behind him.Tier 5-Darren SprolesChange of pace back. He was never going to get enough touches to be fantasy relevant. He's Jerious Norwood West.

 

[Go deep]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrsSteven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Tier 1-Frank Gore, DeAngelo Williamsfantastic talents in fantastic situations, both are proven uberstuds both in the NFL and in fantasy.Tier 2-Steven Jacksonas talented as Gore and Williams, but in the worst possible situation and nursing a back injury. It's funny that I wasn't really worried about Jackson's health when he missed 4 games in back to back years, and then he goes out and plays 15 games and suddenly I see him as an injury risk... but that back injury is exactly the type of injury I could see lingering.Tier 3-Ryan Grant, Cedric Bensondecent talents who get enough touches to put up very respectable fantasy numbers. Age isn't a huge worry for these guys, because I think talent will rob them of their starting jobs before age does.Tier 4-Joseph Addai, Brandon JacobsAddai is a below-average talent in a phenomenal offense. He put up great numbers last year, but I expect him to get phased out as Donald Brown develops. Jacobs is a better talent on paper, but he didn't look at all like himself last year. I think his best days are already behind him.Tier 5-Darren SprolesChange of pace back. He was never going to get enough touches to be fantasy relevant. He's Jerious Norwood West.

Exactly my thoughts, with the possible exception of Williams situation being fantastic. It would be if Stewart werent there, although its not bad considering.

 

[Childress]

Anybody sold any of these guys in recent weeks? Discussion of what you asked for vs what you ultimately received? Thanks.

I moved SJackson and Cutler/Garcon for Mendenhall, Nicks and a 1st. The point the poster made about moving a guy a year to soon as opposed to a year you early was exactly why I did that trade.Another owner in my league wants Benson/1st for Greg Jennings. I want Jennings but I feel that would be too much so I'm trying to find some middle ground.

 

[az_prof]

Moving a guy a year early rather than a year late is good with this caveat:

1) if you are a top competitor but you really are counting on this guy, then it's better to lose the long term value and risk the wheels falling off unless you have such great depth that you can trade him for youth and picks and not lose a step.

Another thing to consider is that while trading LT would have been a good move, how about someone who traded Thomas Jones back when Benson was drafted? They have missed out on a lot of great production. Personally, I think that there are signs that the wheel is about to fall off. In LT's case, there was gradual decline in productivity. I am worried about Steven Jackson because of the back injury, which is something that will only get worse. If a guy is healthy and still running strong then you have to weigh that against a guy who has had a few set backs or a serious injury. I fully expect Portis and SJax to fade away this year. Gore, on the other hand, if you exclude the knee injury his first year has been pretty consistent and is still producing at a high level. I like him to continue at least two and maybe three more years.

 

[SSOG]

Exactly my thoughts, with the possible exception of Williams situation being fantastic. It would be if Stewart werent there, although its not bad considering.

Carolina produced TWO 1100 yard rushers last season. DeAngelo's numbers through 13 games would have left him as RB7 over a 16-game season. Even with Stewart, it's still a fantastic situation.

 

[Garts]

I traded for Ryan Grant, I expect a career year here.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Traded

1.07,

1.10,

2011 1st &

Crabtree

for

SJax & Schaub

PPR Dynasty

I'm hoping SJax has three years in him at his age of top 5 production and value.

 

[J-Dawg]

Curious what D-Williams would fetch...

I'm curious as well. I've got him in my dynasty league and trying to move him but have been asking for a lot and don't seem to be getting much interest. I like what I'm hearing from people in here though about his value for the coming season. I may pull the offers I've got on the table and see if his value goes up over the course of the season and then revisit the idea.

 

[Thomsen]

Tier 1 - Frank Gore - 27 - Think he'll have a good year, but the injury risk is always there. I think Dixon will have a bigger role than people think, watch the training camp reports.

Tier 2 - Ryan Grant; Steven Jackson, Cedric Benson - Grant is in for a great year, with a much better O-line and very nice schedule. He is underrated. Jackson scares me, the back injury and all. And why have the Rams done nothing to give him a breather during games, they have NOTHING behind him. Try to protect your best player by far just a little bit at least. Cincy has alot of weapons in the passing game, and if Palmer is back to his best, Benson is looking at 7 man fronts all season. With that o-line (remember Smith will be there) he'll have great numbers.

D-Will: I think Stewart is in for a great year, and that will affect Williams' numbers. He will still be good, but IMO he will get 190-200 carries and Stewart will get 250. In PPR he'll post good numbers though.

Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26. Don't like Addai, even though Brown was underwhelming as a rookie, I think they have to see what they got in him. Jacobs is an injury waiting to happen, won't draft him. Sproles, only in PPR/return leagues. And not very high.

 

[Birdie048]

It appears most agree that S Jax is the RB to trade.

I recently turned down an offer of S Greene & Maclin for S Jax in 10 team Dynasty PPR.

S Jax is not in my Buy list unless it is a Buy Low opportunity and I am pushing for the title.

Benson in a contract year? Interesting! It could add to his "sell" value.

Grant is the poster child of the undervalued. He always is reportedly being "replaced" or losing his job to Joe Schmoe..... It just has not happened and he does well with the opportunities he gets.

 

[BigTex]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

It was your post that convinced me to trade LT. On the flip side, I waited too long to trade Westbrook:(

 

[Mark Wimer]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?

Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.

Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrs

Steven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.

Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)

DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.

Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

Gore will be just fineBenson has little work on his legs prior to last season, expect continual Rudi Johnson-esque seasons out of him for the next 4+ years..he's going to be a rock at 1200-1300 yards, 7-10 td...a very solid #2/3 RB..great #2 for larger leagues..

D. Williams will finish in top 10 with or without Stewart hawking carries..he's a stud for the next 3 years, at least

Grant might have one or two more quality seasons left in him in GB

I'm worried about Sjax - 1500+ lifetime carries, a boatload of career recs, recent surgery, bad o-line, lousy QB , lousy coaching staff, improving defenses in NFC West...if there is a 'sell high' RB out of this bunch, in my opinion, it is Sjax..

Gore is in an improving situation with upgraded talent around him and Alex Smith is now starting to "get" it at the NFL level. I like the 49ers a lot and own Smith and Josh Morgan in multiple dynasty leagues. Don't have Gore, unfortunately, but I wish I did.Benson is rejuvenated in Cincy - I think Tanner's Rudy Johnson comparison is right on target.

DeAngelo Williams is a super-stud in a run-heavy system and very little at WR beyond an aging Steve Smith. I wouldn't be surprised to see both he and Stewart go over 250 carries this year, and in future years.

Grant has at least 3 more solid seasons in him, IMO. Pass heavy O, yes, but they'll run enough to keep opposing NFC defenses honest. Bears' and Lions' D aren't too good, balancing the Vikings' awesome run stoppers in that division. Just have a solid Minnesota-weeks option with Grant on your roster.

Jackson is without a doubt starting to wear down. Being the only legitimate weapon on the Rams' offense allows teams to key on him (note the paltry 4 TDs last season). I sincerely doubt he sees more scoring opportunities this year with a rook at QB.

Addai and Jacobs are the lead backs in a committee, and that figures to continue going forwards. Sproles is my least favorite of the group cited, thanks to the drafting of Ryan Mathews.

 

[Corporation]

I'm trying to get some value for Michael Turner, trying to get a good WR and the 2nd pick of the rookie draft for him, which I would take Best with (tossup between him and Spiller, and I think Detroit is moving in the right direction and Buffalo is not). I would probably have to give up my late first round pick as well. Thoughts? What kind of WR would it take (someone in the Fitz neighborhood or lower such as a DeSean) for you to pull the trigger?

I agree with the concept of trading the RBs before they hit 29/30 though.

 

[SSOG]

I'm trying to get some value for Michael Turner, trying to get a good WR and the 2nd pick of the rookie draft for him, which I would take Best with (tossup between him and Spiller, and I think Detroit is moving in the right direction and Buffalo is not). I would probably have to give up my late first round pick as well. Thoughts? What kind of WR would it take (someone in the Fitz neighborhood or lower such as a DeSean) for you to pull the trigger?I agree with the concept of trading the RBs before they hit 29/30 though.

It sounds like you're asking for way more than Turner is worth, imo. Fitzgerald? Desean? Both of those guys are worth substantially more than Turner straight up, to say nothing about packaging in the 1.02 to boot.Personally, I'd trade Michael Turner straight up for the 1.02 pick.

 

[daveR]

Thomas Jones?

 

[Go deep]

Exactly my thoughts, with the possible exception of Williams situation being fantastic. It would be if Stewart werent there, although its not bad considering.

Carolina produced TWO 1100 yard rushers last season. DeAngelo's numbers through 13 games would have left him as RB7 over a 16-game season. Even with Stewart, it's still a fantastic situation.

Like i said, its a good situation, but its not a fantastic situation for a RB to be in a 50/50 split.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

That's the thing though, not only has everyone "caught on" to this, but they've completely overreacted to the point where it ruins the strategy of the people who were doing it before.Someone who traded LT two years ago got a king's randsom for him. If the talk on this board this offseason is any indication (and my sell attempts for Sjax have fallen in line with it), you can barely get a jester's paycheck for Sjax or Gore.It's complete overcorrection on the FF community's part. These guy's value isn't as impenetrable as it would have been a few years ago, nor is it as low as it is now. It is somewhere in between, and where 'sell' was the good play back then, in today's market it isn't.If you sold LT two years ago like you said, you missed out on 1900/18 and 1500/12 seasons. That's worth giving up for the kind of value LT was bringing back then, but it's not worth giving up for the market SJax and Gore are bringing in now. Further, two years ago LT was 28 and about to turn 29. Sjax right now is 26 and about to turn 27. Even if he follows LT's career path he would have two more years of elite production and a third year of top 10 production still left in the tank, which is not worth giving up for a prospect like Felix Jones who might not even have one good game left in his career.I've been saying this all offseason. In most markets, SJax and Gore's value for actual buyers is already that of a 28/29 year old running back, but they're not 28/29.

 

[Go deep]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

That's the thing though, not only has everyone "caught on" to this, but they've completely overreacted to the point where it ruins the strategy of the people who were doing it before.Someone who traded LT two years ago got a king's randsom for him. If the talk on this board this offseason is any indication (and my sell attempts for Sjax have fallen in line with it), you can barely get a jester's paycheck for Sjax or Gore.It's complete overcorrection on the FF community's part. These guy's value isn't as impenetrable as it would have been a few years ago, nor is it as low as it is now. It is somewhere in between, and where 'sell' was the good play back then, in today's market it isn't.If you sold LT two years ago like you said, you missed out on 1900/18 and 1500/12 seasons. That's worth giving up for the kind of value LT was bringing back then, but it's not worth giving up for the market SJax and Gore are bringing in now. Further, two years ago LT was 28 and about to turn 29. Sjax right now is 26 and about to turn 27. Even if he follows LT's career path he would have two more years of elite production and a third year of top 10 production still left in the tank, which is not worth giving up for a prospect like Felix Jones who might not even have one good game left in his career.I've been saying this all offseason. In most markets, SJax and Gore's value for actual buyers is already that of a 28/29 year old running back, but they're not 28/29.

There is some truth to this, but if you shop Jackson hard enough, one of the eleven other owners will pay more than a fair price for him. I traded him after last season for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks, along with a WR upgrade. It wasnt easy, i was shopping him for a while, but like i said, there will always be someone to give you what your looking for.

 

[SSOG]

There is some truth to this, but if you shop Jackson hard enough, one of the eleven other owners will pay more than a fair price for him. I traded him after last season for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks, along with a WR upgrade. It wasnt easy, i was shopping him for a while, but like i said, there will always be someone to give you what your looking for.

C.J. Spiller, Demaryius Thomas, and a minor WR upgrade (just plugging some names in for those draft picks) is not "more than a fair price" for Steven Jackson. It might be the best price anyone can get for him at the moment, but that doesn't make it "more than fair". If my team was nowhere near contention, or if I was just absolutely terrified by the back injury, then I'd take it... but even a deal like that is a great example of "selling low".

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I posted something similar in the "sell low" thread, but here are my thoughts on Sjax.

As others have mentioned, there has been a dramatic valuation shift over the past couple of years on "older" RBs. They were overvalued in dynasties a couple of years ago, and now some of them are undervalued. This is partially due I think to a maturation of the "dynasty" phenomenon, but also due to an unusual amount of absolute studs falling off of the cliff VERY quickly. LT, Westbrook, Jamal Lewis, Clinton Portis, Edge, LJ, Shaun Alexander all went from studs to afterthoughts in a blink of an eye. NONE of the top EIGHTEEN backs from 2005 are now fantasy starters (#19 was Sjax). A lot of people got burned paying for these guys and learned from it.

HOWEVER, there are two ways to look at the 2005 numbers. The most obvious is to be aware that guys don't hold value forever so you don't want to overpay for them. But the other side of that is, when you have a guy who is in his prime and actually producing nice numbers, you shouldn't let that go too easily because their productive careers are so short, and it is fairly difficult to predict where those next productive guys will come from.

Which leads my back to SJax.

I'm an owner in one league, and I have tried fairly actively to shop him around. The responses have been AWFUL. I would have trouble getting a high first for him at this point (especially now during draft-mania season). There IS no sell-high opportunity for him anymore. And why? Two reasons, the back, and the team.

Here's the problem with his value tanking because of those two factors. The team last year was about as bad as an NFL team could possibly be. I am VERY confident they won't get significantly worse going forward (the offense was historically bad). People are worried about the rookie QB, but again, how is the rook going to do compared to Marc Bulger? Rookies tend to suck, but that's a pretty low bar to be evaluated against. And how did all of that impact Jackson? He was a top 10 RB. That's right, on one of the worst teams of all time, ALREADY DEALING WITH his significant back injury, he was a top 10 RB. He put up 1,700 yards (at the very top of the league) at 4.4 YPC with every guy on the defense trying to stop him and very little daylight to run to.

So now he has had back surgery. OK. Is that something to worry about? Yes it is, but it's also cause for a little hope. He had the OPTIONAL surgery for a reason - to help him feel better and perform better. How many backs out there at this point haven't had a clean-up surgery at some point? Not many. Is a back clean-up worse than a knee clean-up? Dunno, and I'm guessing most of us don't. But my guess is that it's not, especially not the way people are reading into it shortening his career. I would think continuing knee problems would have a bigger impact on a RB career than a disc problem that was cleaned out. If that repair job lasts three years, you are well ahead of the game. If it doesn't, oh well - any back could blow a knee at any time.

Soooo, I've essentially pulled SJax out of the market, and will probably just ride him into the dust at this point. I'll be happy with top 10 performances for a couple of years with the reasonable possibility that the team could actually improve a little bit and allow him a shot back to the top 5 or top 3.

 

[shader]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

That's the thing though, not only has everyone "caught on" to this, but they've completely overreacted to the point where it ruins the strategy of the people who were doing it before.Someone who traded LT two years ago got a king's randsom for him. If the talk on this board this offseason is any indication (and my sell attempts for Sjax have fallen in line with it), you can barely get a jester's paycheck for Sjax or Gore.It's complete overcorrection on the FF community's part. These guy's value isn't as impenetrable as it would have been a few years ago, nor is it as low as it is now. It is somewhere in between, and where 'sell' was the good play back then, in today's market it isn't.If you sold LT two years ago like you said, you missed out on 1900/18 and 1500/12 seasons. That's worth giving up for the kind of value LT was bringing back then, but it's not worth giving up for the market SJax and Gore are bringing in now. Further, two years ago LT was 28 and about to turn 29. Sjax right now is 26 and about to turn 27. Even if he follows LT's career path he would have two more years of elite production and a third year of top 10 production still left in the tank, which is not worth giving up for a prospect like Felix Jones who might not even have one good game left in his career.I've been saying this all offseason. In most markets, SJax and Gore's value for actual buyers is already that of a 28/29 year old running back, but they're not 28/29.

It's a good point. I think though, the problem is that neither Sjax or Gore have been consistent performers, and the rest of the "bigtime" RB's in the league are all young. Jackson missed 4 games in 07 and in 08. Jackson had a nice season last year, but only had 4 rushing TD's and is on a bad team. Ordinarily at 26, Steven Jackson isn't quite at the point where I'd sell. He's still at the "hold" stage.I created a post on this board where I originally though Jackson was a sell. After seeing people's reactions and realizing where Jackson is in people's minds, I've flipped my opinion. I now think Jackson is a buy, albeit a tad risky.Gore is also a strange one as well. He's a guy that is thought of in the "top 5" category, but he hasn't broken 1120 yards rushing since 2006. It's hard to get jacked up excited about a RB that is 27 and whose best year was 4 years ago.I don't really think the "fantasy world" is catching up to this strategy. I just think there aren't really any good RB's that fit the description.Wait 2-3 years from now and see what happens when I make my inevitable "Time to trade Adrian Peterson" post and you'll see that the strategy will be as good as ever.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

That's the thing though, not only has everyone "caught on" to this, but they've completely overreacted to the point where it ruins the strategy of the people who were doing it before.Someone who traded LT two years ago got a king's randsom for him. If the talk on this board this offseason is any indication (and my sell attempts for Sjax have fallen in line with it), you can barely get a jester's paycheck for Sjax or Gore.It's complete overcorrection on the FF community's part. These guy's value isn't as impenetrable as it would have been a few years ago, nor is it as low as it is now. It is somewhere in between, and where 'sell' was the good play back then, in today's market it isn't.If you sold LT two years ago like you said, you missed out on 1900/18 and 1500/12 seasons. That's worth giving up for the kind of value LT was bringing back then, but it's not worth giving up for the market SJax and Gore are bringing in now. Further, two years ago LT was 28 and about to turn 29. Sjax right now is 26 and about to turn 27. Even if he follows LT's career path he would have two more years of elite production and a third year of top 10 production still left in the tank, which is not worth giving up for a prospect like Felix Jones who might not even have one good game left in his career.I've been saying this all offseason. In most markets, SJax and Gore's value for actual buyers is already that of a 28/29 year old running back, but they're not 28/29.

It's a good point. I think though, the problem is that neither Sjax or Gore have been consistent performers, and the rest of the "bigtime" RB's in the league are all young.

Are they? The range here is much smaller than people think. Chris Johnson, ADP, MJD will all be 25 to start the season, SJax will be 27. I'll be most people would say off the cuff that there are about 5 years between those guys and Jackson.And as for consistency, DESPITE all of the injuries (and not considering any replacement points you would get when he's not in there), Jackson has produced over a 1,200 yards every season since his rookie year. Can you really ask for more than that? And if you do take out or pro-rate the 12 game seasons, he's a lock for about 1,500 or 1,600 yards. Who has been more consistent than that?

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Just so you guys know, the old "he doesn't have too much milage" is a load of crap. Father time catches everyone and of course injuries play a role in shortening a player's career. One thing that can help delay it is how good of shape your body is in. It seems to me that bigger guys seem to fall off the cliff before smaller ones.

 

[shader]

You trade middle-aged running backs at the point when everyone is telling you that you're an idiot for doing so. I remember starting a thread 2 years ago about LT being DONE as a premier RB. It was met with alot of ridicule. If someone in a dynasty format traded LT then, they are sitting pretty. They got a kings ransom, and LT fell apart.A guy like Deangelo probably has the most upside of any on that list, because he just doesn't have the wear and tear. He's basically split time his entire career aside from one year.The rest? I'd look to trade them this year. I might wait with Gore until the year is over though. I think he could have one more bigtime season, but after that, I'd trade him.

That's the thing though, not only has everyone "caught on" to this, but they've completely overreacted to the point where it ruins the strategy of the people who were doing it before.Someone who traded LT two years ago got a king's randsom for him. If the talk on this board this offseason is any indication (and my sell attempts for Sjax have fallen in line with it), you can barely get a jester's paycheck for Sjax or Gore.It's complete overcorrection on the FF community's part. These guy's value isn't as impenetrable as it would have been a few years ago, nor is it as low as it is now. It is somewhere in between, and where 'sell' was the good play back then, in today's market it isn't.If you sold LT two years ago like you said, you missed out on 1900/18 and 1500/12 seasons. That's worth giving up for the kind of value LT was bringing back then, but it's not worth giving up for the market SJax and Gore are bringing in now. Further, two years ago LT was 28 and about to turn 29. Sjax right now is 26 and about to turn 27. Even if he follows LT's career path he would have two more years of elite production and a third year of top 10 production still left in the tank, which is not worth giving up for a prospect like Felix Jones who might not even have one good game left in his career.I've been saying this all offseason. In most markets, SJax and Gore's value for actual buyers is already that of a 28/29 year old running back, but they're not 28/29.

It's a good point. I think though, the problem is that neither Sjax or Gore have been consistent performers, and the rest of the "bigtime" RB's in the league are all young.

Are they? The range here is much smaller than people think. Chris Johnson, ADP, MJD will all be 25 to start the season, SJax will be 27. I'll be most people would say off the cuff that there are about 5 years between those guys and Jackson.And as for consistency, DESPITE all of the injuries (and not considering any replacement points you would get when he's not in there), Jackson has produced over a 1,200 yards every season since his rookie year. Can you really ask for more than that? And if you do take out or pro-rate the 12 game seasons, he's a lock for about 1,500 or 1,600 yards. Who has been more consistent than that?

Steven Jackson has been a solid running back, but he's never really produced at the level many of his owners have wanted him too. Much of that is not his fault, and is the product of his bad team, as he's really talented.

 

[thatguy]

Although Turner turned 28 a few months ago, I think he belongs in the discussion with these guys. 370+ carry season aside, his wear and tear to date is minimal. With Turner in the discussion, I would rank them like this:

1a. DWill

1b. gore

3. SJax

4. Turner

5. Benson

6. Addai

7 Jacobs

8. Sproles

 

[SSOG]

It's a good point. I think though, the problem is that neither Sjax or Gore have been consistent performers, and the rest of the "bigtime" RB's in the league are all young.

Frank Gore ranked 5th last year. He ranks 7th over the last two years. He ranks 5th over the last 3 years. He ranks 4th over the last 4 years. He's been extremely consistent despite spending much of his career on a terrible offense, and his prospects have been steadily improving for years now. He has 3 top-10 finishes in the last 4 years (two of them top-5 finishes). How much more consistent do you want? You point out his rushing yardage, which is crazy unless you play in a league that doesn't count receiving yardage, because Gore averages 425 receiving yards a season. He has topped 100 yards from scrimmage per game in EACH OF THE LAST FOUR SEASONS. However you define consistency, Gore has it in spades.Jackson hasn't had as consistent of year-end totals because of the two 12-game seasons, but his per-game totals have been rock-solid consistent. Over the last four years, he's averaged 4.4, 4.1, 4.3, and 4.4 yards per carry. He's averaged 21.6, 19.8, 21.1, and 21.6 attempts per game. His 2006 receptions numbers were a major outlier, but in the three seasons since he's posted 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4 receptions per game. Like Gore, he's topped 100 YFS per game in every season. Like Gore, he's been pretty much the model of consistency despite a team that's falling apart around him.

 

[jude]

A lot of talk centers around RB's breaking down at 30 yrs old. Rank and discuss these 26-27 year old guys and who is best now and for next 3-4 years dynasty wise! Any of these guys could be a high #2 or even a #1 fantasy back that puts your team over the top. Who do you sell? Who do you buy? Why?Frank Gore - 27 - Been up and down with a few injury plaqued years and inconsistent QB play. 2 high picks on O-line, much better WR and QB play of late. 1000-1700 yds and 5-10 TD's each of last 4 yrs.Ryan Grant - 27 - Not a lot of wear on the tires, but in a pass happy offense. 1200 yds + 4 & 11 TD's last 2 yrsSteven Jackson - 26 - Plays on the worst team in FB with rookie QB that often plays from behind. Injury concerns last few years. 1000-1400 yds and average 7 TD's last 5 years.Cedric Benson - 27 - One year wonder? Will he go back to his Chicago days? Cincy upgraded WR corps, but won pounding Benson last year. 1200 yds - 6 TD last year (600 yd 4-5TD previous 3)DeAngelo Williams 27 - Run first offense, Contact year, and Jonathon Stewart stealing carries, yds, and TD's. Stewart outscored him due to late injuries. 1500 and 18 in 2008, 1200 and 7 in 2009.Other Notables - Joseph Addai 27, Brandon Jacobs 27, & Darren Sproles 26.

all of these guys are in their prime. there is nothing you can get this year that you wont get next year at this time. hold.

 

[Go deep]

There is some truth to this, but if you shop Jackson hard enough, one of the eleven other owners will pay more than a fair price for him. I traded him after last season for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks, along with a WR upgrade. It wasnt easy, i was shopping him for a while, but like i said, there will always be someone to give you what your looking for.

C.J. Spiller, Demaryius Thomas, and a minor WR upgrade (just plugging some names in for those draft picks) is not "more than a fair price" for Steven Jackson. It might be the best price anyone can get for him at the moment, but that doesn't make it "more than fair". If my team was nowhere near contention, or if I was just absolutely terrified by the back injury, then I'd take it... but even a deal like that is a great example of "selling low".

Steven Jackson is one of the most talented RB's in the league, but to expect anymore out of a 27 year old RB with back problems on a horrible team would be expecting too much. I said a fair price, not a clear "win".

 

[SSOG]

There is some truth to this, but if you shop Jackson hard enough, one of the eleven other owners will pay more than a fair price for him. I traded him after last season for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks, along with a WR upgrade. It wasnt easy, i was shopping him for a while, but like i said, there will always be someone to give you what your looking for.

C.J. Spiller, Demaryius Thomas, and a minor WR upgrade (just plugging some names in for those draft picks) is not "more than a fair price" for Steven Jackson. It might be the best price anyone can get for him at the moment, but that doesn't make it "more than fair". If my team was nowhere near contention, or if I was just absolutely terrified by the back injury, then I'd take it... but even a deal like that is a great example of "selling low".

Steven Jackson is one of the most talented RB's in the league, but to expect anymore out of a 27 year old RB with back problems on a horrible team would be expecting too much. I said a fair price, not a clear "win".

There's a difference between "the most you could have possibly gotten given today's market" and "a fair price". I understand that you couldn't have gotten any more than that in the current market, but my point is that the current market is undervaluing SJax, imo.

 

[Go deep]

There is some truth to this, but if you shop Jackson hard enough, one of the eleven other owners will pay more than a fair price for him. I traded him after last season for the 1.4 and 1.6 rookie picks, along with a WR upgrade. It wasnt easy, i was shopping him for a while, but like i said, there will always be someone to give you what your looking for.

C.J. Spiller, Demaryius Thomas, and a minor WR upgrade (just plugging some names in for those draft picks) is not "more than a fair price" for Steven Jackson. It might be the best price anyone can get for him at the moment, but that doesn't make it "more than fair". If my team was nowhere near contention, or if I was just absolutely terrified by the back injury, then I'd take it... but even a deal like that is a great example of "selling low".

Steven Jackson is one of the most talented RB's in the league, but to expect anymore out of a 27 year old RB with back problems on a horrible team would be expecting too much. I said a fair price, not a clear "win".

There's a difference between "the most you could have possibly gotten given today's market" and "a fair price". I understand that you couldn't have gotten any more than that in the current market, but my point is that the current market is undervaluing SJax, imo.

Totally agree, had i taken the best offer i could have, i would have traded him long before i did. I waited until i got what i beleived to be fair value. I should point out the upgrade i got at WR was Lee Evans to Greg Jennings.

 

[SSOG]

Totally agree, had i taken the best offer i could have, i would have traded him long before i did. I waited until i got what i beleived to be fair value. I should point out the upgrade i got at WR was Lee Evans to Greg Jennings.

Well, that changes the equation radically, although I think it's a bit silly to call a move from Evans to Jennings an "upgrade at WR". In the most recent staff dynasty rankings, Evans is WR50 on average and Jennings is WR7- that's a 43 slot jump. That trade was 1.04, 1.06, and Jennings for SJax and parts, which is great value to get in return. I love Jackson and am lower on Jennings than most, but even I think the other guy overpaid.