Mike Bush Running with 1st Team (1 Viewer)

[eefflrat]

Read that mike Bush was getting first team reps in OTA's. I'm wondering if it means much in May. I'm thinking that Cable is trying to establish a running game with a more physical runner, and then go to DMC as a 3rd down scatback type.

What are the chances Bush is the #1 RB in Oakland, and what are guys projecting him at?

I could see him get 250 carries for about 1200 yards and 6 TD's, maybe a few catches.

When given the opportunity he has had some very nice games for the Raiders.

 

[EBF]

McFadden is crap. Bush might not be anything special, but he's probably the best pure runner on the team. He could be a decent one year stopgap in redraft leagues.

 

[Warhogs]

Maybe just my opinion but it seems like Raiders are doing a lot of things right since the season ended. They had a solid draft. They got rid of Russell. I'm not sure why but the decision making seems better and maybe Bush is part of that process too?

 

[TS Garp]

McFadden is crap.

Still too early to definitively say this. I still think he can be effective if used the right way, but I'll agree that he's certainly not cut out to be an every-down RB.

 

[DesmondBishop]

McFadden is crap.

Still too early to definitively say this. I still think he can be effective if used the right way, but I'll agree that he's certainly not cut out to be an every-down RB.

Agreed, you also have to look at what Bush has done on a very poor team, even if they had a solid running game 3 years ago, the past 2 years have been very bad. But yet when given decent chances, Bush has been very good 4.5 and 5.1 YPC the past 2 years with next to no passing game. 2 games over 14 carries and had over 100 yards in both he had 1 stink where he had 10 carries at Balt, but the other games he had 10+ carries he did pretty well. I do not see him as a stop gap, I think he can be pretty good, maybe not a superstar but a good pro and fantasy player. He can also catch, so if he does win the job he will get some catches as well.

 

[eraclansing]

McFadden is crap.

Still too early to definitively say this. I still think he can be effective if used the right way, but I'll agree that he's certainly not cut out to be an every-down RB.

Agreed, you also have to look at what Bush has done on a very poor team, even if they had a solid running game 3 years ago, the past 2 years have been very bad. But yet when given decent chances, Bush has been very good 4.5 and 5.1 YPC the past 2 years with next to no passing game. 2 games over 14 carries and had over 100 yards in both he had 1 stink where he had 10 carries at Balt, but the other games he had 10+ carries he did pretty well. I do not see him as a stop gap, I think he can be pretty good, maybe not a superstar but a good pro and fantasy player. He can also catch, so if he does win the job he will get some catches as well."

I just picked up Michael Bush in a Dynasty league and I would love for this to be true but have you guys seen where this report came from? If not, here is a link to the twitter feed generated this report:http://twitter.com/Jerrymcd/status/14306366564

It reads: "For what it's worth, probably nothing, Bush gets first carry, McFadden second in team drills"

In other words, at this point nobody knows who the lead back in Oakland will be this year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

McFadden is crap.

Still too early to definitively say this. I still think he can be effective if used the right way, but I'll agree that he's certainly not cut out to be an every-down RB.

Agreed, you also have to look at what Bush has done on a very poor team, even if they had a solid running game 3 years ago, the past 2 years have been very bad. But yet when given decent chances, Bush has been very good 4.5 and 5.1 YPC the past 2 years with next to no passing game. 2 games over 14 carries and had over 100 yards in both he had 1 stink where he had 10 carries at Balt, but the other games he had 10+ carries he did pretty well. I do not see him as a stop gap, I think he can be pretty good, maybe not a superstar but a good pro and fantasy player. He can also catch, so if he does win the job he will get some catches as well."

I just picked up Michael Bush in a Dynasty league and I would love for this to be true but have you guys seen where this report came from? If not, here is a link to the twitter feed generated this report:http://twitter.com/Jerrymcd/status/14306366564

It reads: "For what it's worth, probably nothing, Bush gets first carry, McFadden second in team drills"

In other words, at this point nobody knows who the lead back in Oakland will be this year.

Jerry McD's twitter report is the source for this speculation on this thread. "For what it's worth" is your telling nugget.

For what it's worth, what I see is a between the tackle bell cow in Bush and a change up, get outside quick, screen and pitch guy in McFadden. McFadden has the talent to be the starter, and is the higher draft pick, so he'll at least get a shot at the starting job. He can't fumble like he has in the past and keep on the field.

 

[Pickle Rody]

If Bush earns the starting role, I think he shines bright. Big if in Oakland though. If they continue to insist on using both in a RBBC, neither will amount to much value fantasy wise.

Personally, I think Bush is the better back, irregardless of draft slot. IMO he should be the unquestioned starter. But what do I know?

 

[two_dollars]

I feel like McFadden was a knee-jerk reaction to wanting the next ADP after he lit the league on fire his rookie year. They were trying to fit McFadden into a hole he doesn't belong in.

 

[grantsa4]

For those of you that have traded for him, what have you given up? I am trying to get him in one of my leagues.

 

[Grahamburn]

Michael Bush is the key to your fantasy season.

 

[gandalas]

I have both Bush and McFadden in 2 of my fantasy leagues - I just feel that one of them is going to blow up and be a top-15 to 20 back this season, and I want to make sure that I have both.

I think that Bush has been the better option thus far with the opportunities he has been given, but I was VERY high on McFadden all the way back to his Arkansas days, so I would not put it past him to do well himself if he can ever get healthy.

 

[massraider]

You know, it's not just as easy as saying, 'those silly coaches, if they'd just give Bush the ball'.

There's a reason that Bush wasn't given the rock 20 times every game since he came into the league. He doesn't always answer the bell. His conditioning has been in question, he has pulled himself from games several times after a few carries. He occasionally ran the ball the way a 240-pound back should run the ball, but was never confused with Christian Okoye. Whereas Justin Fargas, who can only dream of having the skill set of a Bush or DMC, was always there, and always ready to throw his skinny body into the line.

 

[mcintyre1]

You know, it's not just as easy as saying, 'those silly coaches, if they'd just give Bush the ball'.

There's a reason that Bush wasn't given the rock 20 times every game since he came into the league. He doesn't always answer the bell. His conditioning has been in question, he has pulled himself from games several times after a few carries. He occasionally ran the ball the way a 240-pound back should run the ball, but was never confused with Christian Okoye. Whereas Justin Fargas, who can only dream of having the skill set of a Bush or DMC, was always there, and always ready to throw his skinny body into the line.

Not discounting anything you just said, but Fargas was 220lbs... not really that skinny. And didn't he run a 4.32 in the 40? Anyways, yeah, he never produced in college, so he's lacking a certain skill-set, but physically, he was a specimen.

 

[massraider]

You know, it's not just as easy as saying, 'those silly coaches, if they'd just give Bush the ball'.

There's a reason that Bush wasn't given the rock 20 times every game since he came into the league. He doesn't always answer the bell. His conditioning has been in question, he has pulled himself from games several times after a few carries. He occasionally ran the ball the way a 240-pound back should run the ball, but was never confused with Christian Okoye. Whereas Justin Fargas, who can only dream of having the skill set of a Bush or DMC, was always there, and always ready to throw his skinny body into the line.

Not discounting anything you just said, but Fargas was 220lbs... not really that skinny. And didn't he run a 4.32 in the 40? Anyways, yeah, he never produced in college, so he's lacking a certain skill-set, but physically, he was a specimen.

He had injury issues in college, but always had the speed. As to his size, I don't care what he was listed at, when you saw him on the field, he was skinny. It was just his frame.

Standing next to a good size back

Not really fair-next to JaMarcus

He was muscled up, as much as he could be, but I mean, he was Huggy Bear's kid, he was always gonna be lean. He's never going to have the thick lower body that I think most teams look for in RBs. As to his skill set, he had no vision at all. It was comical. But if he saw a hole, he got as much as one could get by blasting into that hole at full speed.

 

[Cleat Spike]

For those of you that have traded for him, what have you given up? I am trying to get him in one of my leagues.

In mid-April I gave up Celek and 1.07 for M. Bush and 1.04. I was very thin at RB and already had Finley, the 1.04 landed me Spiller.

 

[finito]

For those of you that have traded for him, what have you given up? I am trying to get him in one of my leagues.

In mid-April I gave up Celek and 1.07 for M. Bush and 1.04. I was very thin at RB and already had Finley, the 1.04 landed me Spiller.

Pretty decent trade as you already had Finley. I'm of the mind that Bush is going to be a solid RB - he's already outplayed McFadden handily. McFadden won't go away but I wouldn't be surprised if Bush ends up with 220-250 carries and 1k on the season.

 

[frogpond11]

Gotta factor in McFadden's injury history as well...if DMC goes down with injury, Bush is the only viable option. Considering where you can get M Bush in drafts, that's not a bad risk to take. If you can get both, even better. But I think DMC is actually going higher than Bush in drafts currently? I could be wrong. But getting both would be a pretty good strategy..one of them is bound to have a good season.

 

[mcintyre1]

For those of you that have traded for him, what have you given up? I am trying to get him in one of my leagues.

In mid-April I gave up Celek and 1.07 for M. Bush and 1.04. I was very thin at RB and already had Finley, the 1.04 landed me Spiller.

I just acquired him as part of a package deal:BushMcFaddenGarcon2011 2ndfor SJaxNot sure if I won the deal really, but I was getting sick of SJax's injuries, and his back surgery had me spooked. Decided to sell now and move on.

 

[TheFanatic]

Maybe just my opinion but it seems like Raiders are doing a lot of things right since the season ended. They had a solid draft. They got rid of Russell. I'm not sure why but the decision making seems better and maybe Bush is part of that process too?

I completely agree. They got Campbell for nothing, dumped Russel, stopped playing McFadden because he was a first rounder, etc. Maybe they have it going in the right direction....

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Fargas was mentioned earlier as the skinny one. While that isn't actually true, it did seem that way. What is true was that he was the only competent pass blocking running back on the Raiders last year. Bush and McFadden were below average as pass protectors. That is ultimately what made Fargas so valuable and why he saw the field so much. I worry that with no Fargas, the protection will breakdown quicker. Bush and McFadden both need to work on pass blocking skills above improving their running skills. This may be the factor that tips the favor of one of them seeing more PT than the other. JMO.

 

[LawFitz]

Fargas was mentioned earlier as the skinny one. While that isn't actually true, it did seem that way. What is true was that he was the only competent pass blocking running back on the Raiders last year. Bush and McFadden were below average as pass protectors. That is ultimately what made Fargas so valuable and why he saw the field so much. I worry that with no Fargas, the protection will breakdown quicker. Bush and McFadden both need to work on pass blocking skills above improving their running skills. This may be the factor that tips the favor of one of them seeing more PT than the other. JMO.

This is a very good point about the pass protection and something to watch as this competition unfolds.But I agree with F&L that Fargas was skinny for a RB. He has weight room weight instead of meat and potatoes weight. Clinton Portis often puffed up 10-15 lbs only to lose it during the season. Plus, Fargas' bulk was more in his arms, shoulders and chest than in his thighs and butt. He had a poor weight distribution for a RB so his 220 was very deceiving. RBs need that lower weight distribution to enhance strength and explosion from the legs and to lower the center of gravity for balance.

 

[Gopher State]

Michael Bush is the key to your fantasy season.

If Bush is the key, you never get the door open to your FF playoffs