Mike Heimerdinger named new Titans OC (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

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Titans named Mike Heimerdinger offensive coordinator.

'Dinger spent the last two years as Denver's assistant head coach/QBs. His stock took a hit with the Jets in 2005 during a disastrous season, but he rehabbed it tutoring Jay Cutler. Heimerdinger is more of a taskmaster than bubbly predecessor Norm Chow, so it'll be interesting to see how Vince Young responds to the new tutelage. We suspect V.Y. will blossom.

 

[FUBAR]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

 

[softball]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.

VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change him

Lendale gets a boost

 

[Brewzers]

I don't see how it can be anything but good for VY, Chow was not very impressive this year. Now, let's get VY a WR weapon or two, stretch the field abit and pick up the VY debate in the fall.

 

[SSOG]

Have you heard that saying that you can't go home again? Obviously Mike Heimerdinger hasn't, because it looks like he's going home again... AGAIN. Can anyone else think of another NFL coach who has twice returned to teams he's left earlier in his career?

 

[billrob]

Does this have any effect on the Denver offence?

I know Shanahan calls the plays, but Heimerdinger has been credited for getting Cutler to where he is.

 

[Bri]

Have you heard that saying that you can't go home again? Obviously Mike Heimerdinger hasn't, because it looks like he's going home again... AGAIN. Can anyone else think of another NFL coach who has twice returned to teams he's left earlier in his career?

Left and returned as a HC, nope can't think of any.Positional coaches, several

 

[Phurfur]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

 

[Bri]

There's been some discussion of this in the Chow thread, naturally. Too bad we can't transplant it here.

For FF, I'd say watch the TEs, their value didn't have anywhere to go but up yet his O's are pretty TE friendly.

 

[Tanner9919]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

 

[Bri]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

 

[Bri]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

He has the ability(doesn't always perform as such but has it) to be one of the best field generals in the league. Of course I'm not there in the huddle listenning and everything, but it still seems clear that he is their leader and puts the team on his shoulders and tries to will them to win. There's an awesome intangible there that Kordell and Vick, IMO, didn't have. 06 is probably a more obvious indicator of this than 07.

 

[sho nuff]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

You question the opinion of one person as if it is a fact?I think many are overestimating the effect Vince has had on this decision for the Titans.

 

[Phurfur]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

 

[sho nuff]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

VY had a very good completion percentage in college.He just finished his 2nd year.QBs that run will not always have the greatest QB rating. Much of their success is based on running the ball...and those stats don't add to the QB rating.

 

[Phurfur]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

I disagree, VY could be a pocket passer but it isn't his strength right now. There is no comparison between Vick and Young when it comes to passing the ball.

 

[Bri]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Many of the offensive "skill position" players Chow had were new. Although Fisher is so darn good that sometimes it looks like a continuation of his better teams, they were almost all acquired the last couple years. As is true with any draft, they all aren't necessarily good or as good as they hoped for. I figure the Titans are evaluating what keepers they have and are moving forward like most teams do.ETA last 3 years might be more accurate.

 

[sho nuff]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Well...put drafting him on Bud Adams.Im pretty sure VY was not Fisher or even Floyd Reese's first choice.

 

[Phurfur]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Well...put drafting him on Bud Adams.Im pretty sure VY was not Fisher or even Floyd Reese's first choice.

That would make sense.

 

[FUBAR]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Well...put drafting him on Bud Adams.Im pretty sure VY was not Fisher or even Floyd Reese's first choice.

It was well known that Fisher wanted Cutler, Chow wanted Leinart, Adams wanted VY. Once again, we're seeing that Fisher knows his stuff while owners are best left staying out of things. (and I like VY, I just like the concept of a possible HOF Head Coach being able to run his team more)

 

[SSOG]

Does this have any effect on the Denver offence?I know Shanahan calls the plays, but Heimerdinger has been credited for getting Cutler to where he is.

I read that Heimerdinger was actually calling the plays this year. Either way, Shanahan's still in town, and Denver's offense was actually very bad (for Denver) while Heimerdinger was in charge, so I don't think this is a negative for Denver. Also, Heimerdinger is credited for getting Cutler where he is, just like Kubiak was credited for getting Plummer where he was. Once again, the constant is Shanahan (the guy who is credited with turning John Elway into a HoFer). His fingerprints are everywhere.

Have you heard that saying that you can't go home again? Obviously Mike Heimerdinger hasn't, because it looks like he's going home again... AGAIN. Can anyone else think of another NFL coach who has twice returned to teams he's left earlier in his career?

Left and returned as a HC, nope can't think of any.Positional coaches, several

Position coaches who have done it once, maybe. But twice? Who?As for head coaches who have left and returned, there's always Art Shell, but again, that's only once.

It was well known that Fisher wanted Cutler, Chow wanted Leinart, Adams wanted VY. Once again, we're seeing that Fisher knows his stuff while owners are best left staying out of things. (and I like VY, I just like the concept of a possible HOF Head Coach being able to run his team more)

Fisher's a hell of a coach, and I was glad that the Titans didn't fire him a couple of years ago when they were talking about it (because I'd hate to see Fisher wind up in my division)... but a possible HoF head coach? I suppose it's POSSIBLE, just like Lane Kiffin and Scott Linehan are POSSIBLE HoF head coaches. Fisher hasn't done anything to this point in his career that would get him even a WHIFF of the hall. One SB appearance, zero SB wins, 53.7% career winning percentage (which, by the way, ranks 12th just among ACTIVE coaches, behind Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio, Lovie Smith, Brian Billick, and John Gruden, among others).Not a lot of coaches make the hall, and of the active coaches, Dungy, Holmgren, Belichick, and Shanahan are all CLEARLY ahead of Fisher, and I'd think Reid and possibly even Brian Billick would have an edge, as well. And this isn't counting Cowher or Schottenheimer, both of whom I think are also clearly ahead of Fisher.

 

[Hawk]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

Vince was a 65% passer his last year of college and went from 52% his rookie year in the NFL to 63% this last season (I don't think Vick ever got close the 60's in completion percentage for a season in college or the pros). If Vince goes the rest of his career at 63%, he'll be just fine in that regard. Vince's problem this year wasn't completion percentage, it was not enough TD passes and too many interceptions. That's the main reason his QB rating is low. I'm optimistic that a better OC (Chow's play calling in the redzone was awful regardless of who was at QB, recall it was Collins in at QB, not Vince, for the record setting 8 FG game this season), and better WR's, combined with more experience will all help improve on Vince's TD/INT ratio. That should, if the rest of his numbers stay the same or improve a little, result in a much better QB rating and a more successful offense. I will say though that judging guys like Vick and Vince on their QB rating is misleading because it completely ignores their running stats.Dinger had a lot of success with McNair, I'm sure Fisher feels he can do the same with Vince. His offense should take better advantage of Vince's running ability and should feature more roll-outs and bootlegs and more shotgun. All of those are good things for Vince. Main question is can Vince take Dinger's hard-### approach versus Chow's more laid back approach? McNair had issues with it even though the offense was pretty successful with McNair and Dinger back in the day.

 

[Abraham]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Well...put drafting him on Bud Adams.Im pretty sure VY was not Fisher or even Floyd Reese's first choice.

It was well known that Fisher wanted Cutler, Chow wanted Leinart, Adams wanted VY. Once again, we're seeing that Fisher knows his stuff while owners are best left staying out of things. (and I like VY, I just like the concept of a possible HOF Head Coach being able to run his team more)

I will never understand how this myth gets perpetuated. NEVER. All we know is that Adams wanted Vince because that is who was ultimately picked. The rest is pure speculation by everyone from message boards to ESPN. PURE. SPEC. YOU. LAY. SHUN.

 

[hauser42]

Young will get better when he has some solid WR, right now he has only played with pedestrian WR. They get some outside help, Young and the running game will get better. Problem is a lot more than the coach.

 

[Jason Wood]

Dinger is an odd one to figure out. Remember he left the Titans for the Jets under Herm; surprising many (why the lateral move?). The book at the time was that Dinger felt he needed experience under another offense in order to differentiate himself as a potential head coach. Things didn't go according to plan and the Jets were a terrible fit for his offensive style. He "reunited" with Shanahan in Denver but was part of a three-headed monster at the top of the offensive coaching ranks. Again, unclear what he really did under Shanny b/c we know he didn't call the plays and by all accounts Shanahan is a micro-manager when it comes to the offensive side of the ball.

Now Dinger returns to the Titans, where his star was first on the rise. He was credited with transitioning the Titans offense away from a pure ball control offense where McNair had to dink and dunk, into a far more aggressive balanced attack, that allowed McNair to take shots downfield when that's what the opposing defense was giving.

Conventional wisdom suggests that Dinger's system is a "better fit" for Vince Young. On the other hand, I think objectively Norm Chow's resume is just about impeccable when it comes to developing QBs. Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart is just about the best list of QBs you'll ever come across for one coach to be responsible for developing.

Next year is a HUGE one for Vince Young, Jeff Fisher and the Titans. Clearly the Titans need to give Young more weapons. And, to be honest, Young actually improved in several important passing categories in 2007. However, anyone objective (Titans fan or not) has to admit some concern about Young's work ethic and attention to detail this season. He really looked NOTHING like a franchise QB this year, not even close.

 

[pizzatyme]

I don't see how it can be anything but good for VY, Chow was not very impressive this year. Now, let's get VY a WR weapon or two, stretch the field abit and pick up the VY debate in the fall.

How exactly was Chow supposed to be impressive with those WRs? How was he supposed to perform magic in the Red Zone?You can't give VY a pass without also giving Chow a pass, IMO.

 

[Brewzers]

I don't see how it can be anything but good for VY, Chow was not very impressive this year. Now, let's get VY a WR weapon or two, stretch the field abit and pick up the VY debate in the fall.

How exactly was Chow supposed to be impressive with those WRs? How was he supposed to perform magic in the Red Zone?You can't give VY a pass without also giving Chow a pass, IMO.

Pass given. I'd say we are in violent agreement. We've proven VY, Chow, Fisher (pick your scapegoat(s)) were not effective this year with Justin Gage, Brandon Jones and Roydell Williams. My point is, why not attempt to put some speed/strength weapons on the field and the lets see what Vince can do.

 

[softball]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

Vince was a 65% passer his last year of college and went from 52% his rookie year in the NFL to 63% this last season (I don't think Vick ever got close the 60's in completion percentage for a season in college or the pros). If Vince goes the rest of his career at 63%, he'll be just fine in that regard. Vince's problem this year wasn't completion percentage, it was not enough TD passes and too many interceptions. That's the main reason his QB rating is low. I'm optimistic that a better OC (Chow's play calling in the redzone was awful regardless of who was at QB, recall it was Collins in at QB, not Vince, for the record setting 8 FG game this season), and better WR's, combined with more experience will all help improve on Vince's TD/INT ratio. That should, if the rest of his numbers stay the same or improve a little, result in a much better QB rating and a more successful offense. I will say though that judging guys like Vick and Vince on their QB rating is misleading because it completely ignores their running stats.Dinger had a lot of success with McNair, I'm sure Fisher feels he can do the same with Vince. His offense should take better advantage of Vince's running ability and should feature more roll-outs and bootlegs and more shotgun. All of those are good things for Vince. Main question is can Vince take Dinger's hard-### approach versus Chow's more laid back approach? McNair had issues with it even though the offense was pretty successful with McNair and Dinger back in the day.

VY was a 65% passer in college...., and the Titans had 9 TD passes as a team in 2007. To say the least numbers mean nothing in this discussion, because they are ALL bad when it comes to VY. Anything else is just a spin.If you count his running ability into his play, then expect him to spend plenty of time on the sidelines. Because a QB that runs that much is a QB as Bill Parcells said "If he carries it like a RB, he'll get hurt like a RB"Don't get me wrong, I like Young. But he is a college legend that is not going in the right direction yet.

 

[Interseptopus]

It's a motivational ploy for Vince Young

 

[pizzatyme]

I don't see how it can be anything but good for VY, Chow was not very impressive this year. Now, let's get VY a WR weapon or two, stretch the field abit and pick up the VY debate in the fall.

How exactly was Chow supposed to be impressive with those WRs? How was he supposed to perform magic in the Red Zone?You can't give VY a pass without also giving Chow a pass, IMO.

Pass given. I'd say we are in violent agreement. We've proven VY, Chow, Fisher (pick your scapegoat(s)) were not effective this year with Justin Gage, Brandon Jones and Roydell Williams. My point is, why not attempt to put some speed/strength weapons on the field and the lets see what Vince can do.

I agree. Honestly, they need to go all out to secure great talent at the WR position for VY to see what they have in him. If they get him help and he succeeds, then hooray. If he fails, then they can move on.Fisher is a great coach. I hope he gets help from above.

 

[sho nuff]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

Vince was a 65% passer his last year of college and went from 52% his rookie year in the NFL to 63% this last season (I don't think Vick ever got close the 60's in completion percentage for a season in college or the pros). If Vince goes the rest of his career at 63%, he'll be just fine in that regard. Vince's problem this year wasn't completion percentage, it was not enough TD passes and too many interceptions. That's the main reason his QB rating is low. I'm optimistic that a better OC (Chow's play calling in the redzone was awful regardless of who was at QB, recall it was Collins in at QB, not Vince, for the record setting 8 FG game this season), and better WR's, combined with more experience will all help improve on Vince's TD/INT ratio. That should, if the rest of his numbers stay the same or improve a little, result in a much better QB rating and a more successful offense. I will say though that judging guys like Vick and Vince on their QB rating is misleading because it completely ignores their running stats.Dinger had a lot of success with McNair, I'm sure Fisher feels he can do the same with Vince. His offense should take better advantage of Vince's running ability and should feature more roll-outs and bootlegs and more shotgun. All of those are good things for Vince. Main question is can Vince take Dinger's hard-### approach versus Chow's more laid back approach? McNair had issues with it even though the offense was pretty successful with McNair and Dinger back in the day.

VY was a 65% passer in college...., and the Titans had 9 TD passes as a team in 2007. To say the least numbers mean nothing in this discussion, because they are ALL bad when it comes to VY. Anything else is just a spin.If you count his running ability into his play, then expect him to spend plenty of time on the sidelines. Because a QB that runs that much is a QB as Bill Parcells said "If he carries it like a RB, he'll get hurt like a RB"Don't get me wrong, I like Young. But he is a college legend that is not going in the right direction yet.

65% passer is bad for VY?

 

[FUBAR]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

Vince was a 65% passer his last year of college and went from 52% his rookie year in the NFL to 63% this last season (I don't think Vick ever got close the 60's in completion percentage for a season in college or the pros). If Vince goes the rest of his career at 63%, he'll be just fine in that regard. Vince's problem this year wasn't completion percentage, it was not enough TD passes and too many interceptions. That's the main reason his QB rating is low. I'm optimistic that a better OC (Chow's play calling in the redzone was awful regardless of who was at QB, recall it was Collins in at QB, not Vince, for the record setting 8 FG game this season), and better WR's, combined with more experience will all help improve on Vince's TD/INT ratio. That should, if the rest of his numbers stay the same or improve a little, result in a much better QB rating and a more successful offense. I will say though that judging guys like Vick and Vince on their QB rating is misleading because it completely ignores their running stats.Dinger had a lot of success with McNair, I'm sure Fisher feels he can do the same with Vince. His offense should take better advantage of Vince's running ability and should feature more roll-outs and bootlegs and more shotgun. All of those are good things for Vince. Main question is can Vince take Dinger's hard-### approach versus Chow's more laid back approach? McNair had issues with it even though the offense was pretty successful with McNair and Dinger back in the day.

VY was a 65% passer in college...., and the Titans had 9 TD passes as a team in 2007. To say the least numbers mean nothing in this discussion, because they are ALL bad when it comes to VY. Anything else is just a spin.If you count his running ability into his play, then expect him to spend plenty of time on the sidelines. Because a QB that runs that much is a QB as Bill Parcells said "If he carries it like a RB, he'll get hurt like a RB"Don't get me wrong, I like Young. But he is a college legend that is not going in the right direction yet.

65% passer is bad for VY?

62.3% in 2007, FWIW that's higher than Collins. Also higher than Rivers, Bulger, McNabb, and Derek Anderson. 16th overall in the NFL. His average was fairly low. He also had the 3rd most INTs of any QB with under 300 attempts. Also bottom 5 in Y/G out of any starter. There is absolutely no doubt that the Tennessee passing game has to improve, the only argument is whether to lay the blame entirely at VY, the WRs, or how to split it. One stat I'd like to see is YAC. It seems to me that no Titans WR is good in this area.ETA: I really don't want to see them use a 1st on a WR, they need someone who knows how to play in the NFL. Sure, lightning could strike and they get this year's Bowe, but odds are against it.

 

[GregR_2]

Dinger's the right OC for VY, which is why he was brought back. Plus, Fish does still like him.

This statement bothers me. I don't remember teams replacing OCs to accomodate their QB. Maybe VYs special talent is too special. It makes me question VY, who I like as a QB.

Well since the QB is the field general, this issue is somewhat unavoidable and expected. It's either make it work with present guy or get another. Present guy can be either QB or OC but something's gotta give sometimes.

Teams usually draft a QB to fit their system. To draft a QB and then change your philosophy as a team makes no sense and would make me nervous. Ask Atlanta, it didn't work for them. A team usually brings in players to support their QB but don't change their OC to accomadate a QB. I am just saying I hope there is allot more to this move.

Well...put drafting him on Bud Adams.Im pretty sure VY was not Fisher or even Floyd Reese's first choice.

It was well known that Fisher wanted Cutler, Chow wanted Leinart, Adams wanted VY. Once again, we're seeing that Fisher knows his stuff while owners are best left staying out of things. (and I like VY, I just like the concept of a possible HOF Head Coach being able to run his team more)

I will never understand how this myth gets perpetuated. NEVER. All we know is that Adams wanted Vince because that is who was ultimately picked. The rest is pure speculation by everyone from message boards to ESPN. PURE. SPEC. YOU. LAY. SHUN.

If by "SPEC. YOU. LAY. SHUN." you mean "sources on the team revealing behind-the-scenes info to reporters" then I suppose that would be an accurate statement.

 

[sho nuff]

Something tells me, much like Mike Vick we'll be asking why VY isn't better 3 years from now.VY's style is not passer friendly, and they are not trying to change himLendale gets a boost

Three years from now, we'll be calling VY `Kordell Stewart v2.0..` In 3 years , he might be out of football entirely.He's wildly inconsistent, and not very good when he does play. I'm not sure that Tenn made the right call by starting VY over Collins in the playoff loss to SD..VY is not a pocket passer, just like Vick wasn't.Neither one has a high completion percentage, and neither one has a high QB rating..

Vince was a 65% passer his last year of college and went from 52% his rookie year in the NFL to 63% this last season (I don't think Vick ever got close the 60's in completion percentage for a season in college or the pros). If Vince goes the rest of his career at 63%, he'll be just fine in that regard. Vince's problem this year wasn't completion percentage, it was not enough TD passes and too many interceptions. That's the main reason his QB rating is low. I'm optimistic that a better OC (Chow's play calling in the redzone was awful regardless of who was at QB, recall it was Collins in at QB, not Vince, for the record setting 8 FG game this season), and better WR's, combined with more experience will all help improve on Vince's TD/INT ratio. That should, if the rest of his numbers stay the same or improve a little, result in a much better QB rating and a more successful offense. I will say though that judging guys like Vick and Vince on their QB rating is misleading because it completely ignores their running stats.Dinger had a lot of success with McNair, I'm sure Fisher feels he can do the same with Vince. His offense should take better advantage of Vince's running ability and should feature more roll-outs and bootlegs and more shotgun. All of those are good things for Vince. Main question is can Vince take Dinger's hard-### approach versus Chow's more laid back approach? McNair had issues with it even though the offense was pretty successful with McNair and Dinger back in the day.

VY was a 65% passer in college...., and the Titans had 9 TD passes as a team in 2007. To say the least numbers mean nothing in this discussion, because they are ALL bad when it comes to VY. Anything else is just a spin.If you count his running ability into his play, then expect him to spend plenty of time on the sidelines. Because a QB that runs that much is a QB as Bill Parcells said "If he carries it like a RB, he'll get hurt like a RB"Don't get me wrong, I like Young. But he is a college legend that is not going in the right direction yet.

65% passer is bad for VY?

62.3% in 2007, FWIW that's higher than Collins. Also higher than Rivers, Bulger, McNabb, and Derek Anderson. 16th overall in the NFL. His average was fairly low. He also had the 3rd most INTs of any QB with under 300 attempts. Also bottom 5 in Y/G out of any starter. There is absolutely no doubt that the Tennessee passing game has to improve, the only argument is whether to lay the blame entirely at VY, the WRs, or how to split it. One stat I'd like to see is YAC. It seems to me that no Titans WR is good in this area.ETA: I really don't want to see them use a 1st on a WR, they need someone who knows how to play in the NFL. Sure, lightning could strike and they get this year's Bowe, but odds are against it.

Oh, I know...I was just responding the person who posted the 65% in college for Vince...then claimed all the stats were bad for VY. It made no sense.And people forget that Vince took over last year, because Collins was freakin awful.

 

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On the other hand, I think objectively Norm Chow's resume is just about impeccable when it comes to developing QBs. Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart is just about the best list of QBs you'll ever come across for one coach to be responsible for developing.

The only counter argument I can come up with off hand (without checking to see if he had any duds as well) is that he developped them in college, not the NFL - ie. he could be blessed with having had brilliant talent to work with