Mike Tomlin Intentionally Disrupted KO Return: Proof! (1 Viewer)

[MoveToSkypager]

The precedent was already set by the NYJ. Suspend Tomlin the rest of the season and tack on a few hundred Gs.

 

[ebsteelers]

goofy ### mike epps wanna be... smh..

lose in fantasy by less then 6 points and you had the ravens d..

time to diaherra on tomlins front lawn

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don’t think that awarding TD’s is possible per the rules

It is. Say a returner is going the distance for a score and there is no one left to stop him, but someone from the sidelines runs on to the field and tackles him, they can award the touchdown.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

The precedent was already set by the NYJ. Suspend Tomlin the rest of the season and tack on a few hundred Gs.

This was worse IMO. Tomlin found his way ONTO the field of play.

Ok. What do you think?

 

[Yenrub]

I don’t think that awarding TD’s is possible per the rules

It is. Say a returner is going the distance for a score and there is no one left to stop him, but someone from the sidelines runs on to the field and tackles him, they can award the touchdown.

I did not know that

Thanks

 

[Cheesedawg]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

 

[GregR]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

It shows him moving his feet like a soldier during a marching drill trying to get his feet precisely placed at the sideline, and nothing like a person who lost track of where they were while focused on something else.

Here's the relevant part of the video put into an animated gif that shows it very clearly.

 

[GregR]

I don’t think that awarding TD’s is possible per the rules

It is. Say a returner is going the distance for a score and there is no one left to stop him, but someone from the sidelines runs on to the field and tackles him, they can award the touchdown.

I did not know that

Thanks

Yes the penalty is a "palpably unfair act", and the ref can give any yardage or score he deems equitable for the situation.

 

[DocHolliday]

It is hard to believe that a penalty was not thrown by the refs? The Steelers are one of the teams that gets "good" treatment by the refs but this is ridiculous. The NFL is losing its cred.

And Jones should have been awarded a TD even if he "likely" was going to get caught.

Tomlin will only be fined. There will be no suspension.

 

[mbuehner]

I don’t think that awarding TD’s is possible per the rules

It is. Say a returner is going the distance for a score and there is no one left to stop him, but someone from the sidelines runs on to the field and tackles him, they can award the touchdown.

Its called a blatantly unfair act or something like that- essentially the referee has total discretion as to what to do about it.

For that matter the commissioner could still award the touchdown (and even reverse the result of the game if it had mattered).

Its sort of the emergency fix for a total unforeseeable cluster #### that the league has to fix somehow. And btw I recommend that every fantasy league include something like it in their charter. Last thing you want is some crazy unforeseeable thing to happen and the league goes to war because its not addressed in the rule book. Better everyone is pissed at the commish making a decisive call than quibbling over a rules interpretation that just doesnt fit the circumstances, calling for votes on it, etc.

 

[mbuehner]

I don’t think that awarding TD’s is possible per the rules

It is. Say a returner is going the distance for a score and there is no one left to stop him, but someone from the sidelines runs on to the field and tackles him, they can award the touchdown.

I did not know that

Thanks

Yes the penalty is a "palpably unfair act", and the ref can give any yardage or score he deems equitable for the situation.

Yeah thats it. I believe the example they provide in the rulebook is essentially this case- coming off the sideline to stop a breakaway touchdown.

 

[Yenrub]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

It shows him moving his feet like a soldier during a marching drill trying to get his feet precisely placed at the sideline, and nothing like a person who lost track of where they were while focused on something else.

Here's the relevant part of the video put into an animated gif that shows it very clearly.

I don’t know that the animated gif helps

In the gif his right leg never move toward the field he moves his left leg toward the field but he COULD say he was moving the left to get out of the way of the official

 

[mbuehner]

He was moving on to the field to get out of the way of the official...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just imagine if the Steelers had won this game in OT after getting the 2-point conversion at the end. I wonder how the league would have explained that one, knowing that a coach interfered with a player and potentially cost the losing team 4 points in a game that was ultimately decided in OT. Granted, we have no idea how the rest of the game plays out had Jones scored on the kickoff return, but it would still be a mess for the league.

 

[mbuehner]

Just imagine if the Steelers had won this game in OT after getting the 2-point conversion at the end. I wonder how the league would have explained that one, knowing that a coach interfered with a player and potentially cost the losing team 4 points in a game that was ultimately decided in OT. Granted, we have no idea how the rest of the game plays out had Jones scored on the kickoff return, but it would still be a mess for the league.

Digest of Rules Main

Unfair ActsCommissioner’s Authority The Commissioner has sole authority to investigate and to take appropriate disciplinary or corrective measures if any club action, nonparticipant interference, or emergency occurs in an NFL game which he deems so unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of a game. No Club Protests The authority and measures provided for in this section (UNFAIR ACTS) do not constitute a protest machinery for NFL clubs to dispute the result of a game. The Commissioner will conduct an investigation under this section only to review an act or occurrence that he deems so unfair that the result of the game in question may be inequitable to one of the participating teams. The Commissioner will not apply his authority under this section when a club registers a complaint concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed. Penalties for Unfair Acts The Commissioner’s powers under this section (UNFAIR ACTS) include the imposition of monetary fines and draft choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred. In the event of rescheduling a game, the Commissioner will be guided by the procedures specified above ("Procedures for Starting and Resuming Games" under EMERGENCIES). In all cases, the Commissioner will conduct a full investigation, including the opportunity for hearings, use of game videotape, and any other procedures he deems appropriate.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/unfairacts

 

[GregR]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

It shows him moving his feet like a soldier during a marching drill trying to get his feet precisely placed at the sideline, and nothing like a person who lost track of where they were while focused on something else.

Here's the relevant part of the video put into an animated gif that shows it very clearly.

I don’t know that the animated gif helps

In the gif his right leg never move toward the field he moves his left leg toward the field but he COULD say he was moving the left to get out of the way of the official

He could also say he was having a stroke. Or that his left testicle really itched bad and he was trying to give it a little friction without being obvious.

 

[lod01]

Jones would've been tackled anyway.

Yep.

Fine coming anyway. Pretty blatant.

 

[Flying Elvis]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

It shows him moving his feet like a soldier during a marching drill trying to get his feet precisely placed at the sideline, and nothing like a person who lost track of where they were while focused on something else.

Here's the relevant part of the video put into an animated gif that shows it very clearly.

I don’t know that the animated gif helps

In the gif his right leg never move toward the field he moves his left leg toward the field but he COULD say he was moving the left to get out of the way of the official

The gif was made by an idiot. It should include another second. Just after it stops and re-loops is when Tomlin then puts his right foot onto the field and then does a quick look over his shoulder and jumps left.

 

[BassNBrew]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

 

[Bill S]

Jacoby Jones doesn't get caught from behind.

He had to move inside a little bit, which slowed him down enough. He also had to lean into the tackle.

If the Steelers had won that; I can't imagine how much this would be magnified.

2 games, 100k, and a 3rd round pick.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Typical move from a classless organization.

Hmmmmm.... Bait much?

Bait? Are you saying it isn't true? That the Steelers have a long history of dirty players, a face-of-the-franchise who is a sexual predator? Which is okay by the owner, but the black WR who smokes pot is cut immediately.

And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it.

Yeah, must be "bait," lol.

 

[mbuehner]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

If you somehow lost track of the direction youve been staring at for the last hour and a half because you swiveled your head 90 degrees.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That the Steelers have a long history of dirty players, a face-of-the-franchise who is a sexual predator? Which is okay by the owner, but the black WR who smokes pot is cut immediately.

Playing the race card? Really? Yeah, the Steelers have a black head coach, and their owner is responsible for the Rooney Rule, which ensures that blacks are given equal shots at head coaching jobs, so why would you think the franchise is okay with a white sexual predator, but not okay with a black pot smoker?

 

[BassNBrew]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

yeah, not trying to excuse him being there in the first place. I was just wondering if the side step towards the field would be the nature reaction if you were seeing your self at a reverse angle followed by an oh #### moment?

 

[Flying Elvis]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

yeah, not trying to excuse him being there in the first place. I was just wondering if the side step towards the field would be the nature reaction if you were seeing your self at a reverse angle followed by an oh #### moment?

I get you. I just don't buy it in this case. If he hadn't deliberately slid over to the sideline -using the big screen- just as Jones starts breaking into a lane I might buy it.

 

[Gvindy]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

yeah, not trying to excuse him being there in the first place. I was just wondering if the side step towards the field would be the nature reaction if you were seeing your self at a reverse angle followed by an oh #### moment?

I believe this... Tomlin seems like a trustworthy guy

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jones was going to get tackled or atleast get caught up, he should of leveled Tomlin instead of running into the tackle.

 

[msudaisy26]

The NFL should fine, suspend, and remove a draft pick.

I agree with this. This is the second time this has happened in recent memory. The NFL should make sure there isn't a 3rd. Suspend him for the first 4 to 8 games starting next season. 250k fine to the Steelers and loss of pick, some where between 3rd and 5th round.

 

[mbuehner]

Jones was going to get tackled or atleast get caught up, he should of leveled Tomlin instead of running into the tackle.

Calvin would have picked up Tomlin over his shoulder and used him as a human shield.

 

[domvin]

Blatant as hell. If you are watching the jumbotron to get a better angle then why the need to look over your shoulder as the runner is getting closer.

Tomlin is part of the Competition Committee now as well. "hello, our newest member is a cheater-meet Mike Tomlin."

. Need to fine him substantially. Suspension as well, and forfeit a pick.

but the NFL won't. They will lighten the sentence based upon Tomlin's past good guy image. Not much different than the Jets fiasco

 

[Faust]

Jacoby Jones, Mike Tomlin videos show new elements

 

[Faust]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

 

[John 14:6]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

yeah, not trying to excuse him being there in the first place. I was just wondering if the side step towards the field would be the nature reaction if you were seeing your self at a reverse angle followed by an oh #### moment?

I get you. I just don't buy it in this case. If he hadn't deliberately slid over to the sideline -using the big screen- just as Jones starts breaking into a lane I might buy it.

Even if it was an accident on Tomlin's part, I think there should be some kind of punishment. Other on- and off-the-field mishaps get penalized even if it was just a mistake...

 

[GroveDiesel]

Jones was going to get tackled or atleast get caught up, he should of leveled Tomlin instead of running into the tackle.

I agree that in retrospect, Jones should have made sure to stay against the sideline, "bump" Tomlin and fall down. Instant TD, Tomlin ejected and fined.

 

[BassNBrew]

Jones was going to get tackled or atleast get caught up, he should of leveled Tomlin instead of running into the tackle.

I agree that in retrospect, Jones should have made sure to stay against the sideline, "bump" Tomlin and fall down. Instant TD, Tomlin ejected and fined.

That would have been a fun fantasy debate. Does the player get awarded the TD or the team?

 

[Phenix]

Blatant as hell. If you are watching the jumbotron to get a better angle then why the need to look over your shoulder as the runner is getting closer.

Tomlin is part of the Competition Committee now as well. "hello, our newest member is a cheater-meet Mike Tomlin."

. Need to fine him substantially. Suspension as well, and forfeit a pick.

but the NFL won't. They will lighten the sentence based upon Tomlin's past good guy image. Not much different than the Jets fiasco

Or the love that they have for the Rooneys.

 

[Phenix]

Would watching the play on the Jumbotron facing the other direction cause you to step the wrong way if the camera angle was the facing you?

It didn't seem to affect his ability to move the right way in cozying up to the field.

yeah, not trying to excuse him being there in the first place. I was just wondering if the side step towards the field would be the nature reaction if you were seeing your self at a reverse angle followed by an oh #### moment?

I believe this... Tomlin seems like a trustworthy guy

Cool and all...

But he shouldnt be standing that close anyways.

No excuse, and no excuse means say whatever you want, nothing excuses being on the white paint period during a return.

Plus, he clearly moved towards the field of play, if he is a leader of men he will take accountability and not make an excuse anyways and own it.

 

[Da Guru]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

 

[Phenix]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

 

[Bayhawks]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

I'm sorry, "violently jumped?" All that it shows is him moving from on the white paint (line?) slightly onto the field. The move covered no more than 6 inches, and he never had both feet off the ground at once. Therefore, it was never a jump, and the very subtle 6" move could hardly be called a "violent" movement.

Again, I think it was intentional, but your "proof" is nothing of the sort. It's the same video that has been seen many times before. Tomlin's story that he was watching the return on the jumbotron, then realized he was in the way, matches that story. Maybe he will say he saw on the replay that Jones was going to score & he stopped walking because he was dejected, than he realized he had "inadvertently" edged onto the field.

Again, I think he did it on purpose, but your video doesn't prove that.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Typical move from a classless organization.

Hmmmmm.... Bait much?

Bait? Are you saying it isn't true? That the Steelers have a long history of dirty players, a face-of-the-franchise who is a sexual predator? Which is okay by the owner, but the black WR who smokes pot is cut immediately.

And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it.

Yeah, must be "bait," lol.

That's not the question as to whether I think it's true or not just don't think this is the thread in which to have this discussion... Have the Steelers made questionable calls lately? Absolutely!!

But this comment...

"And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it"

Could be said about a handful of coaches over the past few yrs including the Pats... Do I think what Tomlin did was intentional? I'm thinking that YES it was...

But just like in a court of law a premeditated act receives stiffer punishment than a heat of the battle act... For instance premeditated cheating like spy gate should receive IMO a stiffer penalty than what Tomlin did Thursday... What makes it murky is the issue of player safety and because of that I think the fine and it suspension will be stiff.

I don't feel loss of a draft pick is warranted... I mean shoot if that were the case and shanahan had been the one to do what Tomlin did the NFL wouldn't be able to take a draft pick because you can't take what you don't have (laughs a little)

 

[bleachercreacher]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

I'm sorry, "violently jumped?" All that it shows is him moving from on the white paint (line?) slightly onto the field. The move covered no more than 6 inches, and he never had both feet off the ground at once. Therefore, it was never a jump, and the very subtle 6" move could hardly be called a "violent" movement.Again, I think it was intentional, but your "proof" is nothing of the sort. It's the same video that has been seen many times before. Tomlin's story that he was watching the return on the jumbotron, then realized he was in the way, matches that story. Maybe he will say he saw on the replay that Jones was going to score & he stopped walking because he was dejected, than he realized he had "inadvertently" edged onto the field.

Again, I think he did it on purpose, but your video doesn't prove that.

Intent is irreverent IMO. Fine/suspension needs to be the same regardless.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I wouldn't mind seeing something like a 10 game suspension. The NFL should take this seriously.

 

[Godsbrother]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

 

[GregR]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

I'm sorry, "violently jumped?" All that it shows is him moving from on the white paint (line?) slightly onto the field. The move covered no more than 6 inches, and he never had both feet off the ground at once. Therefore, it was never a jump, and the very subtle 6" move could hardly be called a "violent" movement.

Again, I think it was intentional, but your "proof" is nothing of the sort. It's the same video that has been seen many times before. Tomlin's story that he was watching the return on the jumbotron, then realized he was in the way, matches that story. Maybe he will say he saw on the replay that Jones was going to score & he stopped walking because he was dejected, than he realized he had "inadvertently" edged onto the field.

Again, I think he did it on purpose, but your video doesn't prove that.

Why do you think he did it on purpose? Do you see something that happened that doesn't agree with Tomlin's story?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

The league had warned teams about sideline interference the day before the Tomlin incident

 

[Bayhawks]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

I'm sorry, "violently jumped?" All that it shows is him moving from on the white paint (line?) slightly onto the field. The move covered no more than 6 inches, and he never had both feet off the ground at once. Therefore, it was never a jump, and the very subtle 6" move could hardly be called a "violent" movement.

Again, I think it was intentional, but your "proof" is nothing of the sort. It's the same video that has been seen many times before. Tomlin's story that he was watching the return on the jumbotron, then realized he was in the way, matches that story. Maybe he will say he saw on the replay that Jones was going to score & he stopped walking because he was dejected, than he realized he had "inadvertently" edged onto the field.

Again, I think he did it on purpose, but your video doesn't prove that.

The fact is it doesn't matter what the video "proves." If the NFL feels like this was done intentionally, then he's screwed.

Also, it would take a complete moron to not see this was intentional. Good thing this isn't a court and theres no proof beyond a reasonable doubt here.

Did you read either of my posts? I clearly said each time, I think it was intentional. The video that the OP posted doesn't "prove" that, however, as he believes.

 

[Bayhawks]

The NFL should hammer Tomlin and the Steelers. There is no question that he timed his move based on watching the play unfold on the Jumbotron, which Tomlin has already said he was doing. Also, this angle makes it clear that Jacoby Jones reacted to his action and it allowed him to be caught from behind.

Tomlin should be suspended as well as fined and it should not be a short suspension. I've always liked Tomlin, but that was pure bush league! I wonder how mad the Steelers will be at hometown KDKA over this.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/12/02/new-video-angle-shows-mike-tomlin-incident-league-considers-punishment/

That's not any kind of proof.

I think Tomlin did it intentionally, but all that video show is him standing slightly on the field, then jumping out of the way. It doesn't show him stepping to his right, as the article tries to suggest.

Again, I think Tomlin did try to influence Jones by being on the field, but that video doesn't "prove" anything of the sort.

Going to have to disagree with you, Bayhawks. If you watch the video all the way through and watch the slo-mo they show, he clearly violently jumped to his right just as Jones was reaching him while he was watching Jones run toward himself on the jumbotron. It seems conclusive to me that he either intentionally interfered/cheated or that he has Tourrette's Syndrome which he's done a great job of keeping under control until now.

I'm sorry, "violently jumped?" All that it shows is him moving from on the white paint (line?) slightly onto the field. The move covered no more than 6 inches, and he never had both feet off the ground at once. Therefore, it was never a jump, and the very subtle 6" move could hardly be called a "violent" movement.

Again, I think it was intentional, but your "proof" is nothing of the sort. It's the same video that has been seen many times before. Tomlin's story that he was watching the return on the jumbotron, then realized he was in the way, matches that story. Maybe he will say he saw on the replay that Jones was going to score & he stopped walking because he was dejected, than he realized he had "inadvertently" edged onto the field.

Again, I think he did it on purpose, but your video doesn't prove that.

Why do you think he did it on purpose? Do you see something that happened that doesn't agree with Tomlin's story?

I don't believe his story. I don't believe that an NFL coach watches the jumbotron instead of the action on the field. i don't believe that an NFL HC would "accidentally" wander onto the field in the middle of a play. It doesn't make sense, despite how logical Tomlin tries to make it seem.