Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though.Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Perhaps, but unlike in Atlanta, Vick doesn't have to be Superman in Philly for them to have a chance to contend; they have a good enough team around him to where they can still beat good teams by double digits on nights where he is merely good. I agree that calling him the best player in the league already is a bit ridiculous, but it is hard to ignore how far the Eagles could go this year with him playing this well.With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though.Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Nervous is for people who paid a high price: like if you drafted someone no1 and he showed signs of being a bust you'd be nervous.Vick was either a extreme late round gamble or a WW pickup. Many people have Vick along with another decent QB. Hard to be nervous when everything positive he does is just gravy.Who are they?Granted< its a bit early... and I agree he's very likely to at least post decent numbers. However my point remains. He's been recent annointed the best player in the NFL, and this game (being that he faces them yet again in a very very important week) should have vick owners a bit nervois.I don't really see how tonight would worry anyone. He posted a decent game. No QB is safe from having a bad FF game, and the events of tonight don't make me think he's a noteworthy risk in week 15. There will likely only be 3-4 QBs I'd start over him in week 15, and nothing changed today.
Just throwing that out there... take it for what you will.
The Eagles won in spite of his mistakes last night. How many times did he fumble?WOW...and I thought I just watched a pretty darn good game by Vick. No passing TD..but shouldahad at least one, and did have another rushing TD. 250+ yards against the NFL's second ranked defense and a completion % over 60%Yes...Vick is a legit MVP candidate.
The funny thing about this is...that this was very similar to the game that Kolb had against Tenn, and he lost his job because the defense let them down. The Eagles QB has been a great play for FF for years, and this year has proven that Vick or Kolb can put up monster numbers in the offense.The reason that I keep referencing Kolb, is because everyone turned on him, because he is not as flashy as Vick. But he is efficient and runs this offense the way it is supposed to run. Vick is very exciting to watch, but to go with each big play, I wait for the big mistake.With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though.Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Twice. Which is exactly 50% of TD's thrown that were dropped by his WR's. Tack on another 130ish yard for penalties and the fact that they played the top defense and many a talking head's pick as the best NFC team and I'd say the Bird's battled to the end and won a great game, not in spite of Vick. To answer the OP, if you want to bench him bench him. You will be lonely in that club methinks. He had his 'worst' game going against what I listed above and he still scored 23 points.The Eagles won in spite of his mistakes last night. How many times did he fumble?
Would've won by more if two touchdowns weren't dropped in the end zone.With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though.Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Not when your team has over 130 yards of penalties.With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG).
Vick is the man. You are wrong on this one icon, pure and simple.never mind i guess he changed his mind.Look folks... just saying be cautious with Vick. He's been a little overblown lately. Glll Peas.
how many of those 14 conversions include a dropped pass, penalty, etc.?? without those stats your claim remains vague at best.With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though.Uh, who won?For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Three: Desean Jackson also dropped one, although the throw was low and it would have taken a good catch to haul it in.Anyone who watched this game knows the score is not true to how the game was. The Eagles dominated 3 out of 4 quarters. Had two balls dropped in the end zone. One by Avant that was shockingly bad plus Maclin had one that came out at the 1yd line.
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I've never really thought of this like this in gardening or landscaping terms. It is actually quite fitting. Nice job.Every minute... you want to re-read my whole post that you pruned?XDid you watch the game?he passed for 1TD this week....
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Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
what did he score in your league? In mine he scored 23 points. Also, I typically don't like to pull the 'if this guy did this' or 'if this guy did that' card. However. Did you even see the Avant drop? He was standing by himself, no one around him, in the end zone. Vick hit him, literally, in the numbers and the ball bounced off of his stomach and out of his reach. If you replay that one pass 1000 times over, he'll never miss it. That would have put him at just under 30 FF points. i think its time to give up on this point.Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
He is the best player in the league. Do you not realize the Giants is the best defense in the league? They are Ranked number 1 in the league buddy. Vick actually played a good game. The Giants only shut down his running game. Except for his TD run. Vick passed for 258 yds, a 63% completion percentage, his receivers also dropped 2 td passes in the endone that they wouldve caught any other game. People seem to forget about that TD pass Avant dropped while he was wide open(the most noticeable drop) Vick also had a 83.0 qb rating. So to answer your question Vick is not just about hype the guy is the real deal. I would love to know who is your team?I'm going to create a sanctuary for those who might feel that recent allegations that Mike Vick is the "Best Player in the NFL" are premature.
You mean, who does Aaron Rodgers play in the FF Super Bowl? Where's your thread warning people about Rodgers because he plays the Giants week 16?Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Yeah and everyone thought the Washington Redskins laid out the blue print to stop Vick the first time they played him, but he was injured that game. You saw what happened the next time he played the redskins before a national tv audience didnt you? He had what some call the best qb performance of all time. Vick has better coaches in Philly than he didnt have in Atlanta. The Giants were forced to show their hand this game. Next time Andy and Marty will have a plan to counter what ever they try and do to Vick and No blue print was laid out. Do you not realize the Giants have the number 1 defense in the league?MY statements started early in the 2nd half... and they were after watching the game. Most of us have been subjected to "Vick is the best player in the NFL" hyperbole over the last week. He's been very...VERY good to date. However the team he faces week 15 has just laid down a blueprint on how to actually bend and not break. Giants will still be playing games that patter at that point so I think it's fair to raise a red flag to Vick owners. Seems pretty simple really.Just seems odd to make this argument after the guy just had a very very good game against one of the NFL's elite defenses. TD's are not the only measuring stick.So you're starting him week 15 with confidence?WOW...and I thought I just watched a pretty darn good game by Vick. No passing TD..but shouldahad at least one, and did have another rushing TD. 250+ yards against the NFL's second ranked defense and a completion % over 60%Yes...Vick is a legit MVP candidate.![]()
Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.
so you agree with me?Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.
so you agree with me?Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.![]()
Because he's not a lock to go for 50+ every week as if those types are a dime a dozen.He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
I know this place went crazy after that MNF game but really nobody expects 50 each week. We do expect him to be qb1-2Because he's not a lock to go for 50+ every week as if those types are a dime a dozen.He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Wow. Outscored by those guys in one whole week huh?4 Fumbles (thankfully none lost) and an INT so far tonightupside is he's got a TDThus far outscored by the likes off garrard, bradford, hill, sanchez...
Nice call, icon, only 377 total yards and 2 TDs. What a bum.4 Fumbles (thankfully none lost) and an INT so far tonightupside is he's got a TDThus far outscored by the likes off garrard, bradford, hill, sanchez...
Haha...wut?Soooo, any time Vick loses a game as a starter it must be karma?BEARS WIN!!!!!!!! - DOG KILLER LOSES!!!!KARMA IS A BI****
my team wonBEARS WIN!!!!!!!! - DOG KILLER LOSES!!!!KARMA IS A BI****
Vick was supposed to go 19-0 for at least the next three years, so obviously this loss demonstrates how stupid we were for picking him up off waivers.Haha...wut?Soooo, any time Vick loses a game as a starter it must be karma?BEARS WIN!!!!!!!! - DOG KILLER LOSES!!!!KARMA IS A BI****