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Mike Vick > Anyone else not buying into the hype? (1 Viewer)

never mind i guess he changed his mind. :unsure:

Look folks... just saying be cautious with Vick. He's been a little overblown lately. Glll Peas.

 
I think Vick played his 1st truly good defense tonight, and it proved that he is not the changed QB that everyone was saying. He has put up spectacular numbers against very average defenses. Before tonight the best 2 defenses that the Eagles faced, were in games Kolb played. (Atl & Tenn) While I am not stating they should switch, Vick showed tonight that he will look to run if getting knocked around, and his accuracy is still very average. He is a great athlete, and his physical skills will win them some games. But against tougher opponents, and come playoff time I believe Vick's faults will become very apperant. For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.

I will be interested to see what people say come playoff time, when we lose a game due to his inaccuracy.(same complaints as McNabb) Will everyone still be amazed by his highlight reel plays, or will they be complaining about more of the same?

 
For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Uh, who won?
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though. :lmao:The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
 
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For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Uh, who won?
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though. :lmao:The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Perhaps, but unlike in Atlanta, Vick doesn't have to be Superman in Philly for them to have a chance to contend; they have a good enough team around him to where they can still beat good teams by double digits on nights where he is merely good. I agree that calling him the best player in the league already is a bit ridiculous, but it is hard to ignore how far the Eagles could go this year with him playing this well.
 
I don't really see how tonight would worry anyone. He posted a decent game. No QB is safe from having a bad FF game, and the events of tonight don't make me think he's a noteworthy risk in week 15. There will likely only be 3-4 QBs I'd start over him in week 15, and nothing changed today.
Who are they?Granted< its a bit early... and I agree he's very likely to at least post decent numbers. However my point remains. He's been recent annointed the best player in the NFL, and this game (being that he faces them yet again in a very very important week) should have vick owners a bit nervois.

Just throwing that out there... take it for what you will.
Nervous is for people who paid a high price: like if you drafted someone no1 and he showed signs of being a bust you'd be nervous.Vick was either a extreme late round gamble or a WW pickup. Many people have Vick along with another decent QB. Hard to be nervous when everything positive he does is just gravy.

Anyways, as for who I would play over him in wk 15, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, maybe Rivers from the obvious name department. I would consider Kitna since he plays the Redskins and the offense is finally clicking in Dallas. So 3-5 guys that I might project to outproduce him. Am I missing anyone?

If people were ranking him as the no1 fantasy QB going forward then your words of caution would be merited. Are people feeling that? The impression I get is that people have him ranked similarly to me.

 
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Meh his wrs dropped thee tds (one would have been a more difficult catch--thw 29 yder to maclin?) in the first half and another gimme in the 3ed (avant).

Not every team has the Giants DL, which played very well tonight.

 
Wow. All I can say is, NFL-wise, if this game is as bad as it gets for Vick, I feel envious of Eagle fans. The score would have been astronomical if not for dropped TD passes.

Fantasy football wise, if your league is a standard scoring league or yardage league, I think you would be crazy not to start Vick no matter the matchup unless you have Rivers, as well, who is almost at the same level of red-hot blazing inferno that Vick is right now. What other QB has Vick's upside? What other QB has Vick's upside matched with his high floor - if you're calling a 300+ yard game with a rushing TD and 2 pt conversion his floor?

 
WOW...and I thought I just watched a pretty darn good game by Vick. No passing TD..but shouldahad at least one, and did have another rushing TD. 250+ yards against the NFL's second ranked defense and a completion % over 60%Yes...Vick is a legit MVP candidate.
The Eagles won in spite of his mistakes last night. How many times did he fumble?
 
For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Uh, who won?
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though. :shrug:The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
The funny thing about this is...that this was very similar to the game that Kolb had against Tenn, and he lost his job because the defense let them down. The Eagles QB has been a great play for FF for years, and this year has proven that Vick or Kolb can put up monster numbers in the offense.The reason that I keep referencing Kolb, is because everyone turned on him, because he is not as flashy as Vick. But he is efficient and runs this offense the way it is supposed to run. Vick is very exciting to watch, but to go with each big play, I wait for the big mistake.
 
The Eagles won in spite of his mistakes last night. How many times did he fumble?
Twice. Which is exactly 50% of TD's thrown that were dropped by his WR's. Tack on another 130ish yard for penalties and the fact that they played the top defense and many a talking head's pick as the best NFC team and I'd say the Bird's battled to the end and won a great game, not in spite of Vick. To answer the OP, if you want to bench him bench him. You will be lonely in that club methinks. He had his 'worst' game going against what I listed above and he still scored 23 points.
 
For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Uh, who won?
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though. :thumbup:The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
Would've won by more if two touchdowns weren't dropped in the end zone.
 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories. He had 1 very poorly dropped TD pass (Avant) and 1 almost TD catch (Maclin)....

So if Avant caught the pass, his stat line would be something like 265/1 passing and 34/1 rushing with 2 fumbles... At 25 pass yds per pt, 6 pt TDs, and 10 rush yds per pt.. He would have scored about 22 pts with -2 Fumbles. Look like pretty decent starting QB numbers for me.

 
Anyone who watched this game knows the score is not true to how the game was. The Eagles dominated 3 out of 4 quarters. Had two balls dropped in the end zone. One by Avant that was shockingly bad plus Maclin had one that came out at the 1yd line. This should have been at least 35-17. Vick played very well against one of the top defenses in the league. He managed the game well and was effective. Eagles have the Texans in week 13, two games against the Cowboys and one against the Vikings at home in week 16. Vick is very valuable.

 
For fantasy purposes, I would start him every week w/o question. But as an NFL player, I think he is still just a sideshow that is fun to watch, but doesn't have the skillset to take his team to the next level.
Uh, who won?
With all due respect, when the other team turns the ball over 5 times, I generally hope to win by more than 10 (3 of which came in a late FG). I could be wrong though. :mellow:The Eagles were 3 of 14 on 3rd down conversions tonight. Spin it all you want, that's a telling stat.The Eagles D made Vick look significantly better in the box score than he was tonight.
how many of those 14 conversions include a dropped pass, penalty, etc.?? without those stats your claim remains vague at best.
 
Anyone who watched this game knows the score is not true to how the game was. The Eagles dominated 3 out of 4 quarters. Had two balls dropped in the end zone. One by Avant that was shockingly bad plus Maclin had one that came out at the 1yd line.
Three: Desean Jackson also dropped one, although the throw was low and it would have taken a good catch to haul it in.
 
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The real question with Vick is...

...how long can he continue to play his style before he gets knocked out for several more games? He seems to run into contact instead of avoiding it.

 
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Apparently your sarcasm detector is about as poorly configured as your humor generator. :unsure:

 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
what did he score in your league? In mine he scored 23 points. Also, I typically don't like to pull the 'if this guy did this' or 'if this guy did that' card. However. Did you even see the Avant drop? He was standing by himself, no one around him, in the end zone. Vick hit him, literally, in the numbers and the ball bounced off of his stomach and out of his reach. If you replay that one pass 1000 times over, he'll never miss it. That would have put him at just under 30 FF points. i think its time to give up on this point.
 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.
 
I'm going to create a sanctuary for those who might feel that recent allegations that Mike Vick is the "Best Player in the NFL" are premature.
He is the best player in the league. Do you not realize the Giants is the best defense in the league? They are Ranked number 1 in the league buddy. Vick actually played a good game. The Giants only shut down his running game. Except for his TD run. Vick passed for 258 yds, a 63% completion percentage, his receivers also dropped 2 td passes in the endone that they wouldve caught any other game. People seem to forget about that TD pass Avant dropped while he was wide open(the most noticeable drop) Vick also had a 83.0 qb rating. So to answer your question Vick is not just about hype the guy is the real deal. I would love to know who is your team?
 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
You mean, who does Aaron Rodgers play in the FF Super Bowl? Where's your thread warning people about Rodgers because he plays the Giants week 16?
 
WOW...and I thought I just watched a pretty darn good game by Vick. No passing TD..but shouldahad at least one, and did have another rushing TD. 250+ yards against the NFL's second ranked defense and a completion % over 60%Yes...Vick is a legit MVP candidate.
So you're starting him week 15 with confidence?
Just seems odd to make this argument after the guy just had a very very good game against one of the NFL's elite defenses. TD's are not the only measuring stick.
MY statements started early in the 2nd half... and they were after watching the game. Most of us have been subjected to "Vick is the best player in the NFL" hyperbole over the last week. He's been very...VERY good to date. However the team he faces week 15 has just laid down a blueprint on how to actually bend and not break. Giants will still be playing games that patter at that point so I think it's fair to raise a red flag to Vick owners. Seems pretty simple really. :lmao:
Yeah and everyone thought the Washington Redskins laid out the blue print to stop Vick the first time they played him, but he was injured that game. You saw what happened the next time he played the redskins before a national tv audience didnt you? He had what some call the best qb performance of all time. Vick has better coaches in Philly than he didnt have in Atlanta. The Giants were forced to show their hand this game. Next time Andy and Marty will have a plan to counter what ever they try and do to Vick and No blue print was laid out. Do you not realize the Giants have the number 1 defense in the league?
 
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I like how the OP is repeatedly (i stopped counting) using the :lmao:

Almost as if to say "just saying..."

I think the more appropriate smiley would be :lmao: to get responses.

Then again maybe I'm wrong...just saying...

:lmao:

 
He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.

 
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He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.
Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.
 
He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.
Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.
so you agree with me? :goodposting:
 
He overthrew jackson on 1 td (by about 3 yards.. which is ridiculous considering its desean), just underthrew another one to desean in the endzone and had one hit avant right in the chest. he was 3 plays away from this thread never being made.
Full of Fail dude. He was under pressure when he over threw Desean and he didnt set his feet. He never underthrew Desean in the endzone they showed the replay Desean couldve caught that. It was very catchable. He threw a Td pass to Avant when he was wide open and he dropped it. You or I couldve caught that.
so you agree with me? :)
:shrug:Seems like this thread was created just to argue about Vick, even when a guy agrees 90% with someone they start off with "full of fail."Guess the other 10 threads arguing about Vick weren't enough for some people.
 
Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.
Because he's not a lock to go for 50+ every week as if those types are a dime a dozen.
 
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Wow... i thought it was a decent game for Vick. Last I checked, the NYG have the top passing defense in the league and a top 5 defense in other categories.
Correct. And who do they play in FF Playoffs (semifinals to boot)?
He had 19-20 FF pts last night. I'm not sure I understand your point here. All I hear is "temper your expectations", but haven't really heard a valid reason why.
Because he's not a lock to go for 50+ every week as if those types are a dime a dozen.
I know this place went crazy after that MNF game but really nobody expects 50 each week. We do expect him to be qb1-2
 
4 Fumbles (thankfully none lost) and an INT so far tonight :X

upside is he's got a TD

Thus far outscored by the likes off garrard, bradford, hill, sanchez...

 
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Vick's end of game stats do not tell the story in thsi game. He played very poorly, and looked eerily similar to the old Vick in Atl. He has shown in the last 2 weeks that when faced with a good defense, he will revert to what he knows. His stats from yesterday were due to them playing from behind, and on that note...the late TD shouldn't have been thrown and just as easily could have been picked off.

All that being said, I think Vick rebounds this week against a poor Houston defense, and everyone will be back on his bandwagon. As I have stated before, Vick has always been a good FF QB, and with the added weapons in Philly, he will continue to be a good FF QB. But as an Eagles fan, I view things slightly differently. I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

 

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