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Mike Vick Leads Pro Bowl Voting (1 Viewer)
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Football Critic
Footballguy
Its funny really...
So if you wanted one QB you want Vick over Manning? or Brady?
I am a fan of Vick, but his comeback story is what helps him in votes... he's hardly the best QB, a good one yes, but not the best.
Arguments can be made for others.
So if you wanted one QB you want Vick over Manning? or Brady?
I am a fan of Vick, but his comeback story is what helps him in votes... he's hardly the best QB, a good one yes, but not the best.
Arguments can be made for others.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Manning hasn't exactly been putting together a probowl campaign lately....
jackdubl
Footballguy
Pro Bowl voting should be season specific, and Vick is having a better season than both. Should be Vick one, Rivers two. Not about who is the best QB.
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CalBear
Footballguy
Brady is having a better season than Rivers, and probably better than Vick because Vick missed time.
jackdubl
Footballguy
On second look, Brady is having a better season than Rivers, for sure. I'd still give Vick the nod against Brady, but it isn't clear cut because the stat categories are so different. Take out the missed time and go by average stats, it becomes more clearly Vick.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That's not what the Pro Bowl voting is for. It's for the QB having the best season, and Vick arguabley has been the best QB in the league this season.I do agree that the comeback story helps.
silentmark
Footballguy
road warrior
Footballguy
Well, they say that pro bowl voting is based on popularity. Hadn't realized felons were so popular.
Football Critic
Footballguy
Its not an indictment (sorry for the pun) of Vicks ability that I say he is not the best, he is very good as I made defenses for him many times. But for anyone to throw away Mannings ability just because of his worst 3 game stretch in his all time leading MVP count career is insane. He has an injruy prone team with a few of his options on the shelf. Manning is still having a great year as a whole and is still the best QB at in the league.
I'm just saying everyone is prisoners of the moment.
Vick is good cuz of the much better team around him, including a run game and a better defense.
I love the case for Vick, whats even worse and I dont expect any to admit it....I am certain some posting in this thread hated vick 2 years ago, yet are on his bandwagon cuz he won you a few fantasy games. Thats whats really sad, IMHO, I wish he had this many supporters when he was going thru the tuff time in his life.
I'm just saying everyone is prisoners of the moment.
Vick is good cuz of the much better team around him, including a run game and a better defense.
I love the case for Vick, whats even worse and I dont expect any to admit it....I am certain some posting in this thread hated vick 2 years ago, yet are on his bandwagon cuz he won you a few fantasy games. Thats whats really sad, IMHO, I wish he had this many supporters when he was going thru the tuff time in his life.
Jewell
Footballguy
But why take out the missed time? That's part of football. Taking out missed time for MVP voting deemphasizes the contributions of the player who helped his team in every game.Besides, even with their stats being difficult to compare by virtue of Brady being a pocket passer and Vick being a running QB, there's no way that Vick's season is "clearly" better than Brady's. Brady has nearly double the passing TDs, and a number of those came against defenses that were supposed to be elite (Steelers, Jets). Also add the fact that Vick is operating an offense with high picks at the skill positions (Jackson, Maclin, McCoy). Brady is operating an offense with two undrafted running backs and a retread Deion Branch. Brady is doing more with less.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Pro Bowl voting has been open a while, hasn't it? I'd imagine Peyton racked up a good chunk of votes prior to this 3-game stretch.Remember, just 3 weeks ago, even here on FBG he was neck and neck with Rivers for the board's pick for league MVP.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
See my OP, Manning was on top of the voting as recently as 2 weeks ago.
CalBear
Footballguy
Manning is still one of the best QBs in the league, but he's not having a great year. He's likely to post his lowest yards/attempt since his rookie season, and his most interceptions since at least 2002. He is putting up yardage numbers because he's on pace to have over 700 pass attempts, breaking Drew Bledsoe's record. Drew Bledsoe's 1994 season, where he had 6.6 yards/attempt and threw 27 INTs, was not a "great" year.
Vick wasn't "going through a tough time in his life." If you get served divorce papers the day your mom and dad die in a car crash while they run over your dog, you're going through a tough time in your life. Vick was convicted of hideous, felonious crimes which were 100% a product of his own awful behavior. It is not at all sad that people weren't there to support him; it is a sign that perhaps humans aren't completely callous and dazzled by celebrity.Vick's revived performance, from a football perspective, is incredible. I still would put Brady above him right now for MVP due to Vick's missed games, but I think Vick's per-game performance has actually been better. His revival as a human being, it's not entirely clear. He's doing speaking gigs for the Humane Society as a part of his NFL reinstatement. Supposedly he appears to be sincerely remorseful. I'd have to see his efforts keep up when they're not a condition of his employment to really believe he understands the magnitude of his errors.
cstu
Footballguy
This is rich coming from a Cowboys fan.
CentralPA
Footballguy
I guess Michael Irvin is a Saint then.mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
Manning should not make the Pro Bowl. Vick should make it, not sure he should be first with guys like Rodgers, Brees, etc...but he should make it.
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jackdubl
Footballguy
Here's their per game averages: Brady- 252.4 pass yds, 2.3 td, .3 int, 1.4 rush yds, .1 rush td; Vick- 249.2 pass yds, 1.7 td, .2 int, 51.9 rush yds, .7 rush td.So they average the same yards and interceptions throwing, and the extra .6 pass td for Brady gets equalled by the extra .6 rush td for Vick. Therefore, since Vick has so many more rush yards, he seems to be more clearly ahead of Brady when you go by averages, which is what I said. Not clearly better, but more clearly than when going by total stats, also what I said. I don't consider the intangibles you bring up, because they exist on both sides. Consider that the Eagles have always been a pass first team, but I believe they are currenty second in rushing, thanks to Vick in large part. And I think Brady has some pretty good weapons around him.
Why take out missed time? To give you a larger picture, that's all.
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jojoh07
Footballguy
suck it up big boy
footballnerd
Footballguy
2 hrs 11 mins. Dammit I had the under on the these comments hitting the thread.
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