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Mike Vick meeting with the Pats (1 Viewer)

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I'm confident that Bob Kraft and most importantly his wife will keep Vick out of NE. Makes for great fodder though. :popcorn:

 
Whether it's true or not, I've said for awhile now that my gut says he'll land in NE. Perfect fit, if there ever was one. He won't be a starting QB anywhere, so you have to use him in a variety of others way. The PR hit is minimal there in NE compared to some other places (mainly because Belicheck doesn't give a damn). Vick would give them options they never had before and would really keep opposing defenses guessing. Does he run when he gets the ball? Pass? Will he line up as a receiver? It would open things up tremendously for that offense.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
No matter what, some people are going to look stupid when we get a definitive word on where Vick was today. I love it.

http://bit.ly/ew07B"</a>"]Miami Herald report
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Exactly. Should be fun. :goodposting: Reiss has now come out and authoritatively stated Vick not in Foxboro and not likely to happen. I'd say he has a lot more at stake with that kind of statement in the Pats community than some dude in Miami who just made a blog post the other day about how Vick & NE are the perfect fit and is desperate to look like a genius.

 
This would be the perfect fit and I would actually become a NE fan if they signed him.

I was never a fan of Vick, but I'm so tired of everyone hating on the guy. He killed dogs, not people, and he served his time.

Hopefully with help from Tony Dungy and other quality mentors he can EARN his chance to play in the NFL.

 
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PlasmaDogPlasma said:
NFL Draft Bible says Vick to UFL Orlando franchise

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Latest/mike_v...n_with_ufl.html

I really don't have any idea how reliable NFL Draft Bible is.
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while this may be true, nfldraftbible isn't a reliable or respected website.they are probably just trying to drum up traffic as they don't get any so nothing to lose by posting a fake story to get people to know about their site.
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Right on, I won't post any more from them. There's always some site trying that trick.
 
switz said:
More reason to dislike the Pats
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That was my first thought.Hey, I've had some since... Anyway, to those that think that Brady would never leave the field, or that Vick would only be a gimmick player, I could easily see that team having packages with Vick at QB. They have been so creative (and HIGHLY successful) the past few years with out-of-the-box approaches. It's all about what you make the opposing team prepare for, or what you can catch them off guard with.
 
switz said:
Jason Wood said:
drfeelgood said:
Jason Wood said:
And then along comes THE model franchise of the league and considers bringing in a guy who all the other teams were too "moral" to sign.
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Model franchise? You can't be serious.
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Love them or hate them, no NFL team has been more successful in the salary cap era than the Patriots. It's not even close.
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From a winnong/losing perspective, maybe they've done welll.... but your original comment was referring to "morality" and the Pats are hardly a model team when it comes to "morals" - they've been caught cheating, and they continue to be suspected of cheating in other instances. While you can argue they will "win at all costs" - it's clear that they've already tossed aside any semblance of moral character to win.While I never wish ill on anyone, it seems like it's only a matter of time before the Pats suffer the consequences of their actions. Perhaps signing Vick will be the catalyst of their doom.
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Hey Switz,You totally misunderstood my point. I was saying that the Pats are NOT concerned with morality, nor should they be. We as fans have WAY too much confusion about the perceived morality of the guys we root for and build up totally ridiculous expectations for whether these men are good people off the field. Objectively we really want to see our team win games, and the Patriots...a team that has won more than anyone...has the wherewithal to show everyone else that morality isn't a factor when it comes to trying to win. Yet so many other teams are using the morality card as a reason not to sign Vick, as though their locker rooms aren't also full of people who have morality issues. What I like about the Pats signing Vick, if they do, is that it's an overt example of a team REALLY doing whatever it thinks is best to WIN and not hiding behind some false trope that excuses what might have otherwise been a smart business decision.
 
ROCKET said:
I'm confident that Bob Kraft and most importantly his wife will keep Vick out of NE. Makes for great fodder though. :lmao:
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I agree..vick can`t play in a liberal area...they get a cause and wil not let it go. Look for Vick to end up in a red state.
 
Jason Wood said:
switz said:
Jason Wood said:
drfeelgood said:
Jason Wood said:
And then along comes THE model franchise of the league and considers bringing in a guy who all the other teams were too "moral" to sign.
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Model franchise? You can't be serious.
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Love them or hate them, no NFL team has been more successful in the salary cap era than the Patriots. It's not even close.
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From a winnong/losing perspective, maybe they've done welll.... but your original comment was referring to "morality" and the Pats are hardly a model team when it comes to "morals" - they've been caught cheating, and they continue to be suspected of cheating in other instances. While you can argue they will "win at all costs" - it's clear that they've already tossed aside any semblance of moral character to win.While I never wish ill on anyone, it seems like it's only a matter of time before the Pats suffer the consequences of their actions. Perhaps signing Vick will be the catalyst of their doom.
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Hey Switz,You totally misunderstood my point. I was saying that the Pats are NOT concerned with morality, nor should they be. We as fans have WAY too much confusion about the perceived morality of the guys we root for and build up totally ridiculous expectations for whether these men are good people off the field. Objectively we really want to see our team win games, and the Patriots...a team that has won more than anyone...has the wherewithal to show everyone else that morality isn't a factor when it comes to trying to win. Yet so many other teams are using the morality card as a reason not to sign Vick, as though their locker rooms aren't also full of people who have morality issues. What I like about the Pats signing Vick, if they do, is that it's an overt example of a team REALLY doing whatever it thinks is best to WIN and not hiding behind some false trope that excuses what might have otherwise been a smart business decision.
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it's really too bad the NFL couldnt go with the moral high road. at least not allow full on criminals to play. personally, i would be very supportive of that.
 
As a Pats fan I'd love to see this happen. I have zero doubts that if Vick showed he still has playmaking skills BB would find ways to get him involved. Whether in the return game or as some type of RB/W/QB hybrid, if Vick still has his athleticism he would not be an afterthought.

The other potential x-factor here is the Pats basically only have two QBs. There's Brady and Kevin O'Connell and not much else. They appear to really like O'Connell but he's still young and untested so you really don't know what you have there. Adding Vick gives the QB position more depth and experience (and room for error with O'Connell should he not be ready) with a player who can contribute in other areas of the game which is something that BB salivates over.

As far as the off-field stuff, I guess I've become somewhat jaded. 20 years ago I'd be up in arms about adding this type of guy. Yet, having players with questionable pasts (and with Vick it's much more than questionable) is par for the course in the 2009 sportsworld. As long as Vick keeps his nose clean while in Foxboro, plays hard and helps the Pats win games I will hold my nose (but I won't pretend he's a boy scout).

Going to the Pats would be a great move for Vick. Playing a year for an innovative HC like BB in a very stable envoronment would be his best bet to transition successfully back into the NFL. After the year he can figure out whether his future is as a QB or another position and go from there.

 
Jason Wood said:
You totally misunderstood my point. I was saying that the Pats are NOT concerned with morality, nor should they be. We as fans have WAY too much confusion about the perceived morality of the guys we root for and build up totally ridiculous expectations for whether these men are good people off the field. Objectively we really want to see our team win games, and the Patriots...a team that has won more than anyone...has the wherewithal to show everyone else that morality isn't a factor when it comes to trying to win. Yet so many other teams are using the morality card as a reason not to sign Vick, as though their locker rooms aren't also full of people who have morality issues. What I like about the Pats signing Vick, if they do, is that it's an overt example of a team REALLY doing whatever it thinks is best to WIN and not hiding behind some false trope that excuses what might have otherwise been a smart business decision.
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well said
 
Dr. Octopus said:
kremenull said:
The_Hoser said:
Great fit for both, but I'd see Belichick doing what should have been done some time ago -- immediately converting Vick to an RB/WR hybrid.
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Slash Pt. II........If the Pats get Vick, start engraving the Lombardi immediately......Vick throwing deep to Moss out of a spread formation (i.e., one-on-one coverage).......What a sight it would be to behold - biggest cannon meets fleetest feet
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I don't see any reason they would ever take Tom Brady out of the game. I just don't see why a "gimmick" is necessary when you alreayd have a nearly unstoppable combination Brady to Moss.
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I guess if I'm a HC or OC I really don't want to open up the field, create mismatches, and score more TDs, either...... :thumbup:
 
Adebisi said:
tombonneau said:
Reiss has now come out and authoritatively stated Vick not in Foxboro and not likely to happen.
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...so Yudkin should be in here any minute now with reports that "his sources" are saying that it probably won't happen. ;)
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:unsure:I'm in such a jovial mood now that this has been debunked.
 
Bri said:
The_Hoser said:
Great fit for both, but I'd see Belichick doing what should have been done some time ago -- immediately converting Vick to an RB/WR hybrid.
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In game mode, I would definitely choose Vick+Moss deep versus any team's two CBs in a foot race. Just go deep see what happens.I've been saying safety since a QB just couldn't gauge how quick he could get to the ball and if he grabs an INT he's gone.if BB is coaching him, anything is possible. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him return kicks if BB thought he could go the distance.
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Except Vick had never had an accurate pass, ever. So I don't understand at all what the heck Vick brings to the table. The Falcons immediately upgraded their offense with the subtraction of Vick and the addition of a real rookie QB and Michael Turner. Vick is one of the leagues all time laughable QB's in the history of the NFL. Anyone suggesting otherwise has not paid attention. Great he can run, so what. Beating Green Bay in one Playoff game does not a QB make. Their are dozens of CB's that would punish Vick for attempting to receive a pass, let alone catch it. Hell give me Figures from Baltimore and you have the same player. Figures could probably throw just as well.Vick is just a grade "A" scumbag. Any suggestion otherwise is ignorant. the Pats should not tarnish their already suspect reputation by adding Vick to the Roster. Let him rot in Canada.Vick = Trash
 
mdog1967 said:
Bri said:
The_Hoser said:
Great fit for both, but I'd see Belichick doing what should have been done some time ago -- immediately converting Vick to an RB/WR hybrid.
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In game mode, I would definitely choose Vick+Moss deep versus any team's two CBs in a foot race. Just go deep see what happens.I've been saying safety since a QB just couldn't gauge how quick he could get to the ball and if he grabs an INT he's gone.if BB is coaching him, anything is possible. I wouldn't even be surprised to see him return kicks if BB thought he could go the distance.
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Except Vick had never had an accurate pass, ever. So I don't understand at all what the heck Vick brings to the table. The Falcons immediately upgraded their offense with the subtraction of Vick and the addition of a real rookie QB and Michael Turner. Vick is one of the leagues all time laughable QB's in the history of the NFL. Anyone suggesting otherwise has not paid attention. Great he can run, so what. Beating Green Bay in one Playoff game does not a QB make. Their are dozens of CB's that would punish Vick for attempting to receive a pass, let alone catch it. Hell give me Figures from Baltimore and you have the same player. Figures could probably throw just as well.Vick is just a grade "A" scumbag. Any suggestion otherwise is ignorant. the Pats should not tarnish their already suspect reputation by adding Vick to the Roster. Let him rot in Canada.Vick = Trash
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Vick and Moss in a foot race going deep vs. any team's two CBs.....Vick would be playing WRETA just clarifying what I meant, it was all just an "imagine if" type thought
 
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The best part of this is that Vick will get probably the best coaching available meaning if he has anything to offer as a real QB, he will have a good chance to reach that point. I really really hope Vick goes to the Patriots.

 
Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2009 5:37 PM ETThe ping (beer) pong match that unfolded today regarding rumors and reports linking quarterback Mike Vick to the Patriots finally has prompted a response from the team.And the Patriots say that Vick did not come to Foxborough.Team spokesman Stacey James told Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald that Vick was not in town working out for the Patriots -- and that Vick won't be.The rumors began this morning, with rampant e-mails and Internets accounts of folks who claimed they saw Vick at Logan Airport in Boston. Equivocal comments from coach Bill Belichick regarding the team's potential interest in Vick served only to fuel the rumors. A local sports web site then said that Vick was indeed in town and meeting with the Patriots.An Associated Press report regarding a hearing in Vick's pending bankruptcy case put him in Virginia, knocking down the "Vick is in Boston" rumors.Tom Curran echoed the notion that Vick didn't make an appearance in Boston or Foxborough or New England on Friday, which seemed to put the issue to rest.But then Jeff Darlington of the Miami Herald reported that Vick is in New England, after all.As a result, we feel like we've been playing ping (beer) pong all afternoon.But we kind of like the feeling. So we're kind of rooting for a rumor that Belichick has been spotted in Eastern Virginia.And now 10 percent of you will have read that last sentence to mean that there's a rumor that Belichick has been spotted in Eastern Virginia.Hey, these rumors don't start themselves.
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I personally think that Vick in NE would be one injury away from being a top 3 QB Fantasy wise .

If Brady went down , wow ......

 
Patriots | Vick not in Foxborough Friday

Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:42:36 -0700

Updating previous reports, Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots have confirmed that unrestricted free-agent QB Michael Vick (Falcons) was not in Foxborough Friday, July 31.

looks like this story is one big rumor

 
Jason Wood said:
drfeelgood said:
Jason Wood said:
And then along comes THE model franchise of the league and considers bringing in a guy who all the other teams were too "moral" to sign.
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Model franchise? You can't be serious.
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Love them or hate them, no NFL team has been more successful in the salary cap era than the Patriots. It's not even close.
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The Steelers are very close. They have 2 championships and had a 15-1 record this decade.
 
Adebisi said:
TheWheel said:
Michael Vick would have to be delusional to think he is getting a starting job anywhere.I really hope he goes to the Patriots. I think that team would give him the correct structure to put his life back together. If the Patriots use him it will be in the backfield with Brady. Brady is too damn good to take off the field IMO.You also can't say the guy is useless--you haven't seen him play in two years. Useless is a strong term to use.
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Michael Vick is a lot of things, but "useless" as a football player is certainly not one of them. For any team in the league.
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Vick just better be in damn good shape no matter where goes, and paranoid... Some dog-loving SOB is gonna light him up, then he will be useless :lmao:
 
Didn't Kraft get rid of Christian Peter over character issues (beating a woman?). Seems odd that he would take on Vick.

 
Gopher State said:
Patriots | Vick not in Foxborough FridayFri, 31 Jul 2009 14:42:36 -0700Updating previous reports, Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots have confirmed that unrestricted free-agent QB Michael Vick (Falcons) was not in Foxborough Friday, July 31. looks like this story is one big rumor
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Given their track record with honesty and integrity, this probably means he was there.
 
(RotoWire) There was a rumor circulating Friday about Vick being driven to the Steelers' training facility, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Analysis: This is not coming from NFL sources so it is mere speculation at this point. The source was a call-in to a local radio station claiming to be the cab driver who drove Vick from the airport to Latrobe. Coach Mike Tomlin would not address the rumor and simply stated "I'm in Latrobe and everybody else in our organization is."
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It's quickly becoming "Where in the World is Carmen Vickdiego?"
 
Bojang0301 said:
Jason Wood said:
drfeelgood said:
Jason Wood said:
And then along comes THE model franchise of the league and considers bringing in a guy who all the other teams were too "moral" to sign.
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Model franchise? You can't be serious.
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Love them or hate them, no NFL team has been more successful in the salary cap era than the Patriots. It's not even close.
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The Steelers are very close. They have 2 championships and had a 15-1 record this decade.
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Since the advent of the salary cap for the 1994 season . . .Patriots3 titles2 other SB appearances10 seasons in the playoffs156-84-0 (.650) regular season record17-7 (.708) post season recordSteelers2 titles1 other SB appearance10 seasons in the playoffs151-88-1(.631) regular seasonrecord15-8 (.652) post season record
 
NYRAGE said:
Didn't Kraft get rid of Christian Peter over character issues (beating a woman?). Seems odd that he would take on Vick.
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The pat's didn't get rid of peters until the next day when kraft's wife found out about it, I have no doubt they'd try to sign someone as talented as vick regardless of their character. BTW peters sexually assaulted two women while playing for nebraska(he pled guilty to a lesser charge in one of those cases and in the other one the woman had a "reputation" so the police pretty much ignored her)
 
NYRAGE said:
Didn't Kraft get rid of Christian Peter over character issues (beating a woman?). Seems odd that he would take on Vick.
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Peter was a Giant and Mara had him work with community and see psychologist and....Gmen handled it well. I can't recall if he went to Pats after but, I don't believe Kraft's wife story then. Why wouldn't she be OK with a reformed man that went thru all he did to improve himself and his standing in the community?
 
edgar thompson tweet that Lemon was in NE Friday. He and Vick are almost identical twins so I could see how someone mixed the two QBs up. :(

 
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AngryGorilla said:
Adebisi said:
TheWheel said:
Michael Vick would have to be delusional to think he is getting a starting job anywhere.I really hope he goes to the Patriots. I think that team would give him the correct structure to put his life back together. If the Patriots use him it will be in the backfield with Brady. Brady is too damn good to take off the field IMO.You also can't say the guy is useless--you haven't seen him play in two years. Useless is a strong term to use.
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Michael Vick is a lot of things, but "useless" as a football player is certainly not one of them. For any team in the league.
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Vick just better be in damn good shape no matter where goes, and paranoid... Some dog-loving SOB is gonna light him up, then he will be useless :P
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Those stupid PETA or whatever they called those extremist organisation, should all be put in container and burned .
 
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Bri said:
NYRAGE said:
Didn't Kraft get rid of Christian Peter over character issues (beating a woman?). Seems odd that he would take on Vick.
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Peter was a Giant and Mara had him work with community and see psychologist and....Gmen handled it well. I can't recall if he went to Pats after but, I don't believe Kraft's wife story then. Why wouldn't she be OK with a reformed man that went thru all he did to improve himself and his standing in the community?
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You're misremembering. He was drafted by the pats when he fell in the draft and went to the giants AFTER New england cut him
 
FTRWRTR said:
Bri said:
NYRAGE said:
Didn't Kraft get rid of Christian Peter over character issues (beating a woman?). Seems odd that he would take on Vick.
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Peter was a Giant and Mara had him work with community and see psychologist and....Gmen handled it well. I can't recall if he went to Pats after but, I don't believe Kraft's wife story then. Why wouldn't she be OK with a reformed man that went thru all he did to improve himself and his standing in the community?
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You're misremembering. He was drafted by the pats when he fell in the draft and went to the giants AFTER New england cut him
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ahhhhhhhhOK thanks for clarifying
 
Traders2001 said:
AngryGorilla said:
Adebisi said:
TheWheel said:
Michael Vick would have to be delusional to think he is getting a starting job anywhere.I really hope he goes to the Patriots. I think that team would give him the correct structure to put his life back together. If the Patriots use him it will be in the backfield with Brady. Brady is too damn good to take off the field IMO.You also can't say the guy is useless--you haven't seen him play in two years. Useless is a strong term to use.
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Michael Vick is a lot of things, but "useless" as a football player is certainly not one of them. For any team in the league.
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Vick just better be in damn good shape no matter where goes, and paranoid... Some dog-loving SOB is gonna light him up, then he will be useless :)
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Those stupid PETA or whatever they called those extremist organisation, should all be put in container and burned .
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I'm not a PETA fan, but don't go here.J
 
Vick should go to Arizona. Let him back up Warner for a season and a half, get his head right under Warner then come out with the 2 of the best WRs on the planet. Lets face it, that kid from USC is a buster.

 
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