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Mike Wallace to be Tendered, not tagged (1 Viewer)

WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
I'm sure he'll just sign with you and your team for under his value because he likes how you run things out there.
 
WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
Gladly give him a bit more per year if he takes less this season. The cap will increase. Something like 6-8-10-12-14 = 10 per.
 
WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
I'm sure he'll just sign with you and your team for under his value because he likes how you run things out there.
No he wont, no need to be silly. There are ton of factors that will be considered.Including things like; getting more guaranteed and taking less overall.
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
 
WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
I'm sure he'll just sign with you and your team for under his value because he likes how you run things out there.
Brandon Lloyd just signed for $4M per year. The value of WRs seems to vary team to team, player to player, agent to agent.
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
Nobody is asking for and no one is giving a one year contract that removes the FA tag. It was a silly thing to throw out there.
 
WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
Gladly give him a bit more per year if he takes less this season. The cap will increase. Something like 6-8-10-12-14 = 10 per.
Yeah, that would probably work, especially since a lot of our big money players (Hampton, Silverback, Ike, Troy) wont be around in 2016.
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
Nobody is asking for and no one is giving a one year contract that removes the FA tag. It was a silly thing to throw out there.
I am just saying $ 2.7 M is not worth the risk. If I was his agent I would advise him to holdout. He can make 5 time or more next year in his first signing bonus.
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
Nobody is asking for and no one is giving a one year contract that removes the FA tag. It was a silly thing to throw out there.
I am just saying $ 2.7 M is not worth the risk. If I was his agent I would advise him to holdout. He can make 5 time or more next year in his first signing bonus.
That's why they are both in negotiations. Wallace wants to remain a Steeler and the Steelers want to retain Wallace, both parties have admitted it.

One note however, is the players have already negotiated both the RFA and Franchise as options into their employment agreements.

 
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WilliamsonNFL: #Bengals or #Broncos (w Manning) are only teams I could see going after M Wallace now, but unlikely
This news getting reported from prominent sources should also expedite the Steeler/Wallace negotiation process.
I will be thrilled that if no other teams being interested allow us to lock up 60 Minutes longterm at a reasonable price ($8M?)
Gladly give him a bit more per year if he takes less this season. The cap will increase. Something like 6-8-10-12-14 = 10 per.
Yeah, that would probably work, especially since a lot of our big money players (Hampton, Silverback, Ike, Troy) wont be around in 2016.
Yeah if he gets 20 guaranteed, he would then have a 2 million salary plus 4 million bonus this year. Something along those lines.Meanwhile the Steelers already have 2.7 set aside for him, and would then deduct 3.3 from the 8.2 cap... leaving them 4.9 (or so) to work with.
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
Nobody is asking for and no one is giving a one year contract that removes the FA tag. It was a silly thing to throw out there.
I am just saying $ 2.7 M is not worth the risk. If I was his agent I would advise him to holdout. He can make 5 time or more next year in his first signing bonus.
That's why they are both in negotiations. Wallace wants to remain a Steeler and the Steelers want to retain Wallace, both parties have admitted it.

One note however, is the players have already negotiated both the RFA and Franchise as options into their employment agreements.
Larry Fitzgerald has a "no franchise tag" clause in his contract. http://aol.sportingn...ceiver-contract
 
Difficult situation for Wallace. I would hate for him to get hurt playing for $2.7 M without any long term security ie Javon Walker. At this point he probably should ask the Steelers to give him a larger one year contract with a clause that forbids them from applying the franchise tag next year.
Yeah, Im sure the Steelers would love to do that :lol:
If they don't Wallace should be calling Carson Palmer for advise on how he should spend his time during the season.
Nobody is asking for and no one is giving a one year contract that removes the FA tag. It was a silly thing to throw out there.
I am just saying $ 2.7 M is not worth the risk. If I was his agent I would advise him to holdout. He can make 5 time or more next year in his first signing bonus.
That's why they are both in negotiations. Wallace wants to remain a Steeler and the Steelers want to retain Wallace, both parties have admitted it.

One note however, is the players have already negotiated both the RFA and Franchise as options into their employment agreements.
Larry Fitzgerald has a "no franchise tag" clause in his contract. http://aol.sportingn...ceiver-contract
Yeah, as part of a 4 year extension. That's a proper negotiation. Both sides had some give-and-take that was mutually beneficial.
 
Yeah, as part of a 4 year extension. That's a proper negotiation. Both sides had some give-and-take that was mutually beneficial.
Right. Wallace could work out a one year deal where he takes a little less money this year (cap friendly) in exchange for the "no Franchise clause" That would be mutually beneficial.
 
Yeah, as part of a 4 year extension. That's a proper negotiation. Both sides had some give-and-take that was mutually beneficial.
Right. Wallace could work out a one year deal where he takes a little less money this year (cap friendly) in exchange for the "no Franchise clause" That would be mutually beneficial.
Not even remotely "mutually beneficial". You are being absurd.The Steelers currently have him under a RFA and potentially have him under the Franchise for an additional year for a total of about 13 million.

And could franchise him again for a third year.

Thats why what you propose isn't a negotiation that is mutually beneficial. He can sit out, but that also isn't mutually beneficial, its only exclusivity beneficial to Wallace (with some detriments as well) and that would be only if the Steelers dont want to negotiate, which they obviously do. They havent asked to just sit on his 2.7 rfa tag, they are trying to work together on a long term deal.

 
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Yeah, as part of a 4 year extension. That's a proper negotiation. Both sides had some give-and-take that was mutually beneficial.
Right. Wallace could work out a one year deal where he takes a little less money this year (cap friendly) in exchange for the "no Franchise clause" That would be mutually beneficial.
Not even remotely "mutually beneficial". You are being absurd.The Steelers currently have him under a RFA and potentially have him under the Franchise for an additional year for a total of about 13 million.

And could franchise him again for a third year.

Thats why what you propose isn't a negotiation that is mutually beneficial. He can sit out, but that also isn't mutually beneficial, its only exclusivity beneficial to Wallace (with some detriments as well) and that would be only if the Steelers dont want to negotiate, which they obviously do. They havent asked to just sit on his 2.7 rfa tag, they are trying to work together on a long term deal.
:goodposting: It makes no sense for the Steelers to give Wallace a 1 year deal with a no franchise clause. The Steelers already have him locked up at a very cap-friendly $2.7 million.

Assuming no teams step forward with an offer Wallace will likely either sign an extension with the Steelers or play 2012 at $2.7 million and then risk the Steelers franchising him in 2013.

I bet the Steelers and Wallce work out a long term deal.

 
I bet the Steelers and Wallce work out a long term deal.
After what's went down, as far as WR signings the past week, this appears to be the most likely outcome now. It's certainly not 100% guaranteed, but it's probably more likely now than it was a week ago.
It makes no sense for the Steelers to give Wallace a 1 year deal with a no franchise clause. The Steelers already have him locked up at a very cap-friendly $2.7 million.
Yeah, the idea of the Steelers giving up the ability to franchise him for a single year contract is....a little obtuse, to say the least.Wallace almost certainly won't be playing for 2.7 million this year, but it'll because he gets an extension with Pittsburgh or signs elsewhere.
He can sit out, but that also isn't mutually beneficial, its only exclusivity beneficial to Wallace (with some detriments as well) and that would be only if the Steelers dont want to negotiate, which they obviously do. They havent asked to just sit on his 2.7 rfa tag, they are trying to work together on a long term deal.
Holding out doesn't really benefit him in any way, in my mind. He'd be going into his UFA season having just sat out an entire year. That automatically puts him at a disadvantage(the degree of which could be argued, of course) when he'd start negotiating with teams in '13. I think if it became a question of holding out or playing under the tender he'd probably play.
 
...how its a win/win, the steelers can't lose, its a great move and the Steelers hold all the cards, etc.
Not for nothin', but no one has claimed this anywhere in this thread....other than maybe you every time you're assigning it to someone else.What most people who pay attention to the Steelers have been saying is that the Steelers control the outcome: They will have an opportunity to match any offer Wallace receives. If they choose not to, there will at least be some level of consolation rather than none if he were an untagged UFA.

Unless I blinked on re-read, no one has claimed it was "a great move", no one has claimed it was "a win/win(quite the opposite actually and more than once) and no one has claimed it was "genius."
As said before, its not about finding quotes that say "genuis", its in the fine detail of what people say and how they say it; and I understand not everyone has the ability of deduction. But when you say things like You , yourself did in your post (march 1st) and say things like The Steelers presently hold just about every card. and

The only thing the Steelers are letting get out of their own control...

or Doc. octopus' post (#69)

It's really almost a no lose situation for them

then you are saying the same things and its wrong.

There have been a number of people posting here presenting this situation as its just all such a good thing for the Steelers (not a quote) and portraying it as if they have it all under control but the simple facts of the matter (and all I am saying), is that what you guys are saying is in direct contract to what the guys who talk about this on the air and, by the way, used to actually do this job in the NFL, say.

And actually, they say its actually a crippling blow to the Steelers in some aspects. If they really want Wallace, they have to sit on their hands and watch people get signed that they may ahve been interested in and they have to save money and wait a long time. And then they have to hope they CAN match an offer that is given. That's not controlling ANYTHING. That is putting yourself at the mercy of others.

And all this talk like they will "simply" match it or they won't. No, being ABLE to match an offer is far from a given.

The professionals; the guys that actually do/did this for a living have said This is NOT a good position for the Steelers. To color it any other way is erroneous.

There is a big difference between "controlling" or simply having a choice and most of the pros are skeptical that the Steelers even have a true choice. What they have is a situation where they wait and see and hopefully ahve an opportunity, based on what falls into place. This is not a situation like some of you have described where you have a value on the guy and you ALLOW others to set his price and then you sit back, brush your wiskers, ponder on it, and then choose wisely. This is a situation where the Steelers have to sit back and wait and then see IF they can do this.

In reality, we are NOT talking about a scenario where you think the guy is worth $8M a year and someone else will give him $10M and you decide what you want to do. This is a scenario where everyone in the league knows Walalce is worth a lot more than $2.7M and the Steelers don't have the money to pay him what he is worth unless the market is unfortunate to Wallace and/or Wallace is willing to take a discount or take some risk and play now for a bigger payout, etc.

Simply put, if the Steelers truly had control; if they had money and a true choice, they wouldn't risk it. And the fact that they are having to sit on their hands and take a risk tells you everything you should know.

Continue to shoot the messenger if you like; all I'm doing is giving you news you can use, straight from the mouth of guys that do it/did it as a profession. If you want to see it differently, then by all means please do.

 
I would just like to point out that these talking heads are not 100% right all the time. You only need to look at the past 4 days to see that.Prior to free agency:Did anyone expect Super Mario to sign in Buffalo?Did anyone expect Brandon Marshall to be traded to Chicago? (or that Marshall was in another incident this past weekend)Did anyone know that Manning had discussions AND a physical with the 49ers?There are surprises every day. So, just because Shefter, Mort or Glazer think they know everything. They don't
That is certainly true. Just keep in mind, that in this case, the guys that are offering opinions (Pat Kirwin, etc), are guys that actually DID this job as a profession and they understand what is being thought through from every angle of the scenario. Of course, they still might be wrong, but in Kirwin's case, at least, he is friends with Kevin colbert. They talk to him frequently on their show. I think it is likely that they have a pretty good idea of the pulse of this situation when they conduct a segment on this. Literally, you have interested people calling and asking the question " How does the Wallace situation affect the Steelers?" "What is going to happen?" and they break it down and every time they have done it, they both say it really limits Pittsburgh and they think Wallace will be somewhere else. Again, they could be wrong about all the things that will determine whether Walalce will stay or go, but they have a lot of sound reasoning on why the Steelers would really prefer not to be in this situaiton if they had a better choice in the matter. But they don't.
 
@mortreport: RT @AbyssAlsoGazes: Any validity to rumors that DEN may now pursue Mike Wallace? >> I don't think so. Maybe SF?
I am surprised to hear SF is still in the running considering they have Crabtree, Moss, Manningham but no QB.
Yeah, i agree. I have to say, as much as I have leaned on the side saying that Wallace is likely to be gone, the events have certainly all seemed to fall the way that helps him stay.
 
or Doc. octopus' post (#69)

It's really almost a no lose situation for them
You're taking this out of context of course. My main point in this thread was if the Steelers end up losing Wallace (which would of course be bad), they can take some solace that they will be saving some needed cap space to address other areas of need and will gain a first round pick. It's not the typical scenario where a team loses a FA. I admitted further down that calling it a "no lose situation" even with the predicator "almost" probably wasn't the best way to phrase it.

 
@mortreport: RT @AbyssAlsoGazes: Any validity to rumors that DEN may now pursue Mike Wallace? >> I don't think so. Maybe SF?
I am surprised to hear SF is still in the running considering they have Crabtree, Moss, Manningham but no QB.
Yeah, i agree. I have to say, as much as I have leaned on the side saying that Wallace is likely to be gone, the events have certainly all seemed to fall the way that helps him stay.
Yes which makes me worried that someone (Denver, Cinci, SF?) comes out at the least minute and offers Wallace the moon.
 
@mortreport: RT @AbyssAlsoGazes: Any validity to rumors that DEN may now pursue Mike Wallace? >> I don't think so. Maybe SF?
I am surprised to hear SF is still in the running considering they have Crabtree, Moss, Manningham but no QB.
I don't know how much the team is really counting on Moss, so take him out for a second. If Kaepernick/Josh Johnson ends up the starter, surrounding them with enough WR talent (using that word carefully since Crabtree and, to a lesser extent, Manningham haven't quite tapped it yet) could be a good idea.
 
There have been a number of people posting here presenting this situation as its just all such a good thing for the Steelers (not a quote) and portraying it as if they have it all under control but the simple facts of the matter (and all I am saying), is that what you guys are saying is in direct contract to what the guys who talk about this on the air and, by the way, used to actually do this job in the NFL, say.
First, I think you need to refresh yourself on the definition of 'presently.' But I digress.You can keep on repeating the bolded, but it doesn't make it true. After this, I'm through trying to get you, or anyone, to understand what most Steeler fans in here are trying to convey, since it should be abundantly clear after 7 pages, particularly for someone with advanced powers of deduction. No one is saying that losing Wallace is "good" for Pittsburgh in any way, but they at least have the final control over whether he stays or goes. It's a lousy situation, but it could be worse. That has been the underlying point being made. You want to think otherwise, I'm totally cool with that.

All the other conjecture about whether he can be kept/will be kept/won't be kept is precisely that...conjecture.

has wallace talked to anybody at this point?
Well, according to at least one report, it appears that his agent has been contacted by at least one team: San Francisco....and they got their doors blown off as to his expected compensation:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/the-49ers-inquired-about-mike-wallace-but.html

Mike wants to be paid more than Fitzgerald. If that remains his asking price, you can forget about him going anyplace this year. No one is paying him that much AND giving up a first. They'll wait until the '13 offseason and go after him as a UFA.

Steelers won't ever pay him like Fitz, even if money were no object. And they probably shouldn't.

 
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Wallace is good, even great, but he not worth Fitz's 8yr/$120M or Calvin's deed to the state of MI.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
It's in the link.He reportedly wants "something that surpasses Fitzgerald's 8-year 120 million dollar deal."
They should drug test him right away. He's gotta be on crack.
As I said in the other thread it doesn't hurt to ask for the moon. You can always come down if you don't get any takers at your asking price.
 
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Brady just restructured his deal that frees up a lot of cap space for next season, allows the Pats to offer Wallace a deal that the Steelers will not be able to match.

 
Brady just restructured his deal that frees up a lot of cap space for next season, allows the Pats to offer Wallace a deal that the Steelers will not be able to match.
I think the Patriots may be targetting CB Lardarius Webb instead. The Ravens are in a tight salary cap situation and may have difficulty matching a front-loaded offer.Like E_Smith said, with Lloyd and Branch (and Stallworth and others) having been signed, wide reciever isn't a big priority.
 
Branch and Stallworth are no locks to make the team and certainly are not a reason to not go after Wallace. Lloyd is an upgrade for sure but the Pats might decide to not sign Welker to a long term deal. Adding Wallace would be a hedge against Welker being gone after next season and a hedge against Lloyd acting like a ####.

Not saying it will happen but the fact that they signed two aging WRs shouldn't be seen as them being all set at WR.

 
Branch and Stallworth are no locks to make the team and certainly are not a reason to not go after Wallace. Lloyd is an upgrade for sure but the Pats might decide to not sign Welker to a long term deal. Adding Wallace would be a hedge against Welker being gone after next season and a hedge against Lloyd acting like a ####. Not saying it will happen but the fact that they signed two aging WRs shouldn't be seen as them being all set at WR.
There's another guy named Brady who is aging as well for them. That fact would limit my anger if the Patsies sign Wallace longterm since Brady will only be throwing to him for a few years.
 
Pittsburgh is in control because AB took enough catches.

He might have taken them BECAUSE of MW - but you'll have to pay 120 mil to find out.

Other teams might need MW to put fans in the seats/money in the bank. The Steelers don't - so they can plan to win instead and 10+/year for a WR isn't a winning strategy.

 
People keep mentioning the Bengals as a possibility and I just don't see it. The combination of money + losing a 1st doesn't make any sense.

For example, for the money involved, you could sign the best OG in the NFL in Carl Nicks and pay your #21 pick (Kendall Wright? Michael Floyd? Stephen Hill?). To me, a mid-1st round WR + a 9-10 million dollar per year free agent is easily more valuable. Carl Nicks + Kendall Wright is better than Mike Wallace.

I think any smart team has to put a ton of value on those early draft picks that give you 4 years of what is likely to be a very good player for extremely little cash.

 
At this point I wonder if the Steelers are ready to just take the 1st and be done with him. If he's serious about wanting that kind of money he's going to be out of Pittsburgh real soon anyway.

 
People keep mentioning the Bengals as a possibility and I just don't see it. The combination of money + losing a 1st doesn't make any sense.For example, for the money involved, you could sign the best OG in the NFL in Carl Nicks and pay your #21 pick (Kendall Wright? Michael Floyd? Stephen Hill?). To me, a mid-1st round WR + a 9-10 million dollar per year free agent is easily more valuable. Carl Nicks + Kendall Wright is better than Mike Wallace. I think any smart team has to put a ton of value on those early draft picks that give you 4 years of what is likely to be a very good player for extremely little cash.
i thought that Nicks was already signed.
 
At this point I wonder if the Steelers are ready to just take the 1st and be done with him. If he's serious about wanting that kind of money he's going to be out of Pittsburgh real soon anyway.
Assuming Wallace prices himself out of the FA market then he may be more amenable to signing an extension with the Steelers at a more reasonable figure instead of playing for $2.7 million this season. If not the Steelers should be in a better position next season to franchise him if they feel he is worth it.
 
'Godsbrother said:
'cstu said:
At this point I wonder if the Steelers are ready to just take the 1st and be done with him. If he's serious about wanting that kind of money he's going to be out of Pittsburgh real soon anyway.
Assuming Wallace prices himself out of the FA market then he may be more amenable to signing an extension with the Steelers at a more reasonable figure instead of playing for $2.7 million this season. If not the Steelers should be in a better position next season to franchise him if they feel he is worth it.
But he hasn't really hit the market in order to price himself out. All it takes is one team...and right now there are roughly 15 teams who are unlikely to get involved because a top 1st rounder is too high a price.
 

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