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Military coup attempt in Turkey (1 Viewer)

Chadstroma said:
So you are telling me that during a military coup that leaders whereabouts in a plane is readily available to anyone who wants to go to this website? Including... say a military unit backing the coup that was anti aircraft battery or a fighter jet unit? Um....
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Its a Turkish Government plane, that is flying into Istanbul, after circling the skies in western Turkey for awhile. :shrug:

 
Erdogan is a POS. If the people are supporting him, then Turkey is a lost cause and deserves the eventual descent into typical Middle Eastern dysfunction that Erdogan's "leadership" will cause.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Big fan of Obama.  Just think we backed the wrong horse tonight.

But, it did not take two hours to decide if we back democracy - it took two hours to decide if we had to back democracy because our horse failed.
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I don't know if the Administration had a horse exactly, but I would be shocked if our passive routing interest wasn't "anybody but Erdogan".

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Erdogan is a POS. If the people are supporting him, then Turkey is a lost cause and deserves the eventual descent into typical Middle Eastern dysfunction that Erdogan's "leadership" will cause.
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None of the political parties are backing the coup and it sounds like even a large portion of the military isn't backing it either. He was legally elected and no matter what we think of him, I'm not sure how America can side against democracy.

 
Ilov80s said:
None of the political parties are backing the coup and it sounds like even a large portion of the military isn't backing it either. He was legally elected and no matter what we think of him, I'm not sure how America can side against democracy.
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Well there are a lot of doubts as to the legality of said election(s).   

 
Ilov80s said:
None of the political parties are backing the coup and it sounds like even a large portion of the military isn't backing it either. He was legally elected and no matter what we think of him, I'm not sure how America can side against democracy.
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Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez were all "legally elected" too. 

 
Need political, international and popular support to have a successful coup, doesn't sound like any of those came to fruition. I'm in favor of Erdogan going down though, but I'm sure this will just encourage his worst instincts.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Turkey isn't Iraq. Not at all the same.
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I didn't say it was. But if you are going to make a blanket statement that we should support all "legally elected" governments, you can expect to be confronted with a bunch of counter-examples. The world isn't that simple and thinking about it in simplistic terms isn't helpful.

 
We are supporting Erdowan, not because he was democratically elected (though that gives us rhetoric) but because for us it's the best possible result. 

But none of this is a good thing for the USA. 

 
Walking Boot said:
Right. Jefferson Davis was elected. Should the US have allowed the Confederacy, and slavery, to continue? Of course not. Which is why we should support only those who are elected and support human rights. I don't even care if the people choose to elect, and be governed within, a theocracy if they want... as long as those who have other religions are free to practice and don't have restrictions placed upon them, I say let them decide their own way.
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Um, while I think your overall point is an interesting one, Jefferson Davis was NOT elected. 

 
And let's put it this way...the POTUS, regardless of who it is, has to be very careful during events like these.  He/she must be diplomatic of course.

Now personally?  I'd be willing to bet that Obama (or Bush or Trump or Clinton or Jed Bartlett) would rather see a much more "moderate" government in Turkey.

 
Sconch said:
And let's put it this way...the POTUS, regardless of who it is, has to be very careful during events like these.  He/she must be diplomatic of course.

Now personally?  I'd be willing to bet that Obama (or Bush or Trump or Clinton or Jed Bartlett) would rather see a much more "moderate" government in Turkey.
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Maybe not Trump. He seems to admire strong men. 

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
I didn't say it was. But if you are going to make a blanket statement that we should support all "legally elected" governments, you can expect to be confronted with a bunch of counter-examples. The world isn't that simple and thinking about it in simplistic terms isn't helpful.
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I agree with you. I didn't make a blanket statement. I just said it's tough. I'm not saying never do it, just it's a tough move to make.

 
By the way, can anybody recall a busier news time than the last 2 weeks? Beginning with James Comey's press conference last Tuesday, it seems like every day has been a new huge story. We've had two police shootings, the Clinton email result, Dallas, Nice, Mike Pence, and now this. It's been amazing. 

 
timschochet said:
By the way, can anybody recall a busier news time than the last 2 weeks? Beginning with James Comey's press conference last Tuesday, it seems like every day has been a new huge story. We've had two police shootings, the Clinton email result, Dallas, Nice, Mike Pence, and now this. It's been amazing. 
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Glad you enjoyed it.

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timschochet said:
Um, while I think your overall point is an interesting one, Jefferson Davis was NOT elected. 
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He actually was elected.   Link

According to the Confederate States Constitution, the President's office was almost entirely the same as that of thePresident of the United States. The President was to be:

chosen by an electoral college from each state in the Confederacy. Each state had as many electors as they had members in the Confederate Congress (senators + representatives). The only CSA presidential election took place on November 6, 1861, when electors for the electoral college were chosen in each state. Davis, who was already in office by action of the Confederate Congress, was elected president without opposition (receiving all 109 electoral votes)

 
RandyDB said:
He actually was elected.   Link

According to the Confederate States Constitution, the President's office was almost entirely the same as that of thePresident of the United States. The President was to be:

chosen by an electoral college from each state in the Confederacy. Each state had as many electors as they had members in the Confederate Congress (senators + representatives). The only CSA presidential election took place on November 6, 1861, when electors for the electoral college were chosen in each state. Davis, who was already in office by action of the Confederate Congress, was elected president without opposition (receiving all 109 electoral votes)
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Wow. I stand corrected! Sorry Walking Boot! 

 
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