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Minnesota Vikings Team Thread (2 Viewers)

Let’s say they go 12-5. Win the division. Lose in the divisional round. Darnold plays pretty well all year. He’s probably the Comeback Player of the Year.

You let that guy walk?
I think they offer him a Geno Smith type contract, 3 yrs for $75M. Very similar situations, great weapons in place, history of not meeting expectations, replacing a very good QB. I think Geno's 2022 and Sam's 2024 are in the same ballpark.

But QB contracts have exploded since March 2023, so another team could drive up the price ... it just takes one team. BTW, MCarthy is unproven in the regular season, I'm not sure MIN gets a 1st rounder from a QB-needy team.
 
no trust in Sam.. Tannehill is probably the only option to avoid a 5-12 season at best... :sadbanana:
I would be interested in what your thoughts are now? Darnold looks like a legit MVP candidate right now.
Posted response above he is doing much better than expected.
Still throws 2 or 3 passes a game where you think "What the bleep" but so far 🤞 he has luck on his side to avoid the turn overs he is known for.
 
Let’s say they go 12-5. Win the division. Lose in the divisional round. Darnold plays pretty well all year. He’s probably the Comeback Player of the Year.

You let that guy walk?
You don't let him walk but you also don't sell the farm to keep him. You make him a competitive offer for the market for a 2 yr deal and then you go into next year the same way you went into this year. With Darnold the presumed starter and McCarthy trying to earn the spot. This was a lost year for McCarthy so next year is somewhat like his rookie year (with a little added bonus of some NFL experience from this year). Then see how they compete.

McCarthy is still the future.
 
Vikings look like they are the most complete team in the NFC right now. A lot can change with injuries and such, but they look really impressive. The Packers are not a great team, but the Vikes beat the doors off of them in Lambeau. Some weird TOs gave the Pack some life in the 2nd half, but it was a pretty dominant win. Still think it is the Lions division to lose, but the Vikings look like they will be competitive.
 
Vikings look like they are the most complete team in the NFC right now. A lot can change with injuries and such, but they look really impressive. The Packers are not a great team, but the Vikes beat the doors off of them in Lambeau. Some weird TOs gave the Pack some life in the 2nd half, but it was a pretty dominant win. Still think it is the Lions division to lose, but the Vikings look like they will be competitive.
I am not sure about conplete. They could use some more corners. But yes they have played much better than expected.

There has been more talk about this as the Packers are a division rival and did well against a injury depleted Flores defense late last season.

So is what the Packers have done something that can be replicated by other teams?

Probably not considering the average time to throw was over 4 seconds for the Packers in this game. Credit to the Packers protection and to Love being able to extend plays.

I'm not sure other teams can replicate that. They don't have the Oline and they don't have Love.

It's a sign that things were not open early in the play as well.

Most teams are getting the ball out in 3 seconds or less.
 
Vikings look like they are the most complete team in the NFC right now. A lot can change with injuries and such, but they look really impressive. The Packers are not a great team, but the Vikes beat the doors off of them in Lambeau. Some weird TOs gave the Pack some life in the 2nd half, but it was a pretty dominant win. Still think it is the Lions division to lose, but the Vikings look like they will be competitive.
This is where I'm at. The bone head try to catch the punt near the end of the first half gave life to a lifeless team and crowd.
Had the Vikings been up by say 10 at the half and won everyone would be :excited:

I don't think the defense crash in the 2nd half is an indication of things to come.
It was something that happens sometimes when teams get out to such a large lead. Ravens lost already this year when the game looked to be over.
 
5-0 :excited: no one would have thought that possible at the start of the season.

At the same time, Kevin continues to get out coached in the 2 half.
Other Teams go into halftime and adjust the game plan based on what's happening.
Yet Kevin seems to stick to what got them the lead and it is going to cost the team soon.

During the steak, Sam has had at least 2 int's per game dropped by defensive players.
He was dam lucky to not get intercepted in the end zone, which would have cost them a score, and possibly the game.

Back to Kevin.. Nearing the end of the 2nd quarter, up by 17.. 4th and 2..
Does he run.. No..
Does he go for a short pass to get the first down? Nope.
He calls for a deep out route, thus giving the Jets the ball in great field position, with them not needing to use a timeout.

Of course the Jets drive down and get a TD to end the half, and momentum.
Thank god for the D coming through when needed!

On to the bye, rest up then here comes the Lions.
 
5-0 :excited: no one would have thought that possible at the start of the season.

At the same time, Kevin continues to get out coached in the 2 half.
Other Teams go into halftime and adjust the game plan based on what's happening.
Yet Kevin seems to stick to what got them the lead and it is going to cost the team soon.

During the steak, Sam has had at least 2 int's per game dropped by defensive players.
He was dam lucky to not get intercepted in the end zone, which would have cost them a score, and possibly the game.

Back to Kevin.. Nearing the end of the 2nd quarter, up by 17.. 4th and 2..
Does he run.. No..
Does he go for a short pass to get the first down? Nope.
He calls for a deep out route, thus giving the Jets the ball in great field position, with them not needing to use a timeout.

Of course the Jets drive down and get a TD to end the half, and momentum.
Thank god for the D coming through when needed!

On to the bye, rest up then here comes the Lions.
Losing Jones was a big hit to the offense. Ty Chandler is not very good.
 
5-0 :excited: no one would have thought that possible at the start of the season.

At the same time, Kevin continues to get out coached in the 2 half.
Other Teams go into halftime and adjust the game plan based on what's happening.
Yet Kevin seems to stick to what got them the lead and it is going to cost the team soon.

During the steak, Sam has had at least 2 int's per game dropped by defensive players.
He was dam lucky to not get intercepted in the end zone, which would have cost them a score, and possibly the game.

Back to Kevin.. Nearing the end of the 2nd quarter, up by 17.. 4th and 2..
Does he run.. No..
Does he go for a short pass to get the first down? Nope.
He calls for a deep out route, thus giving the Jets the ball in great field position, with them not needing to use a timeout.

Of course the Jets drive down and get a TD to end the half, and momentum.
Thank god for the D coming through when needed!

On to the bye, rest up then here comes the Lions.
I don't know if it's KOC or Darnold, but they seemingly refuse to take five-yard completions. Just deep ball after deep ball. Lucky they got bailed out by the officials so often today.
 
5-0 :excited: no one would have thought that possible at the start of the season.

At the same time, Kevin continues to get out coached in the 2 half.
Other Teams go into halftime and adjust the game plan based on what's happening.
Yet Kevin seems to stick to what got them the lead and it is going to cost the team soon.

During the steak, Sam has had at least 2 int's per game dropped by defensive players.
He was dam lucky to not get intercepted in the end zone, which would have cost them a score, and possibly the game.

Back to Kevin.. Nearing the end of the 2nd quarter, up by 17.. 4th and 2..
Does he run.. No..
Does he go for a short pass to get the first down? Nope.
He calls for a deep out route, thus giving the Jets the ball in great field position, with them not needing to use a timeout.

Of course the Jets drive down and get a TD to end the half, and momentum.
Thank god for the D coming through when needed!

On to the bye, rest up then here comes the Lions.
I don't know if it's KOC or Darnold, but they seemingly refuse to take five-yard completions. Just deep ball after deep ball. Lucky they got bailed out by the officials so often today.
Exactly :hifive:

Multiple times the called play was "run deep!!" No real routes, just run as fast as you can and we'll throw it up.

Plus, the OL was fighting against a pretty good DL, and losing, so timing wasn't there.

I'd much rather have a 12 play "Dink and Dump" drive then the one big play. Chew up the clock, let your defense rest and go full steam.
 
Losing Jones was a big hit to the offense. Ty Chandler is not very good.
He's next man up. Chandler had a couple of big games last year, including 23-132, 10-72, and 12-69 with multiple catches in each game.

3rd stringer Myles Gaskin is not very good. What about practice squad guys or a trade if Jones misses time?
Last year was “next man up” and it was horrible. Jones has made KOCs offense look complete.
 
There has been lots of trade speculation for the Vikings considering its their bye week and people need stuff to write about.

Nick Chubb being a RB mentioned. High risk high reward. Not sure the Browns have any interest in parting with him. Most likely not.

Speculation more interesting to me is trading for a defense tackle or cornerback.

While any trade seems unlikely and if they were going to do it I think they would have already to use the bye week to get the new player acclimated. But they did trade for Hockenson so there is an example of them doing that before.
 
I think Jones and Chandler are really good options. The depth is a little thin but I don't see them playing more than those two unless injuries hit anyway. Plus, Ham can play RB in a pinch. I'm more worried about WR depth than RB depth. Will be interesting to see if they try and get a vet WR as WR3. Powell isn't good enough/consistent enough for that role, IMO.
i believe the reason GB parted ways with Aaron Jones was his propensity for injury and not skill. I think a 3rd half back is going to required and Kwesi doesn't have many late round draft picks he throw at the problem. I don't expect that we will be contender this year but it seems like wilful blindness at this point.
Here is a good recap of the Vikings running game in 2023. https://www.vikings.com/news/2023-position-recap-running-backs. 2023 running attack was rather dismal.
Feel a little vindicated by this move and would have reached out to Akers in the off-season. Who knows maybe he did. However, I understand that you want to fill depth at other positions first. Better late than never.
 
Power rankings this week:

ESPN
1. KC
2. MIN
3. DET
8. GB
16. CHI

CBS
1. KC
2. MIN
4. DET
6. GB
9. CHI

NFL.com
1. MIN
2. KC
5. DET (headline & article states they dropped due to Hutch injury
7. GB
13. CHI

NBC-PFT
1. DET
3. MIN
6. GB
14. CHI

USA Today
1. KC
3. MIN
4. DET
7. GB
14. CHI

SI
1. KC
2. DET
3. MIN
5. GB
12. CHI

Yahoo
14. CHI
8. GB
4. DET
2. MIN
1. KC

Sporting News
1. KC
2. MIN
3. DET
6. GB
14. CHI

PFF
1. KC
4. DET
6. MIN
7. GB
12. CHI

1st Place Rankings - KC 7, MIN 1, DET 1

Average (9 rankings)

KC 1.22
MIN 1.67
DET 3.33
GB 6.67
CHI 13.2

Man alive, the NFC North is insane this year. First time any division has had four teams with 4 or more wins after Week 6.

Will start to come into focus this weekend, but it's gonna be a junkyard dog fight for the next 12 weeks.

Good luck Sunday! Really impressed with your defense, and Darnold is having a stellar year.

But the other two teams are right there as well, so it's just going to be tough sledding for all the teams.
 
Told my wife before the game that if either team won by more than 7 point's I'd be shocked, and I was right.
They showed they are a very good team with the comeback in the 2nd half.
Much better than any of us thought they'd be at the beginning of the season.
I think Hockerson could have made a huge difference.

Things I liked:
Sam made some amazing throws in the 2nd half and seemed to be in more control then the first half.
Aaron Jones looks to be the missing piece The Vikings needed for the running game. Now if he can just stay healthy.

Things I didn't like:
The Int by Sam in the 2nd quarter. Aaron Jones was wide open.. He didn't have a defender within 20 yards of him.
But Sam was locked in on Addison and never even attempted to look for another place.

Kevin's play calling near the end of the 4th quarter.
Aaron Jones was able to run quite well against the Lions, granted he only gained one yard in the previous run, but the run before was for 5.

3rd down, clock is running at 2:45, Lions have one timeout..
You run it there, either get the first down and game is about done, or you force the Lions to use the last timeout.

Instead, they overload the right side and then attempt to throw into a crowd.
If not a run, then you should drag the TE to the left, or a RB, where there are no defenders.

Next 4 games are winnable ( Rams, Colts, Jaguars, Titans)
Very good chance they will be 9-1 or at worst 8-2 going into the Bears game. :popcorn:
 
IMO this Vikings team is way better than the 13 win squad from two years ago.

Would be cool if Week 18 got flexed because it is for the divisional title.

Keep it rolling, cya in January (maybe 2x.)
 
everyone abandoned ship :oldunsure:

On to Thursday we go. Offensively we should be able move the ball pretty well and defensively we match up well to stop them.

Probably won't be as easy as some think, but they should get back on the winning side.
 
everyone abandoned ship :oldunsure:

Naw. I've been hanging onto the Barnicles since they signed Sam Darnold. Just peeking in through the planks.

I have been very critical of Flores, Kwesi and especially Darnold. Who have all proven me wrong and changed my opinion about all of them.

That said the honeymoon is over and we really needed that first down.
 
Can any Vikings fans who knows the team comment on the HC and how aggressive he is on 4th down? Debating dropping Seibert for Reichard ROS but Seibert has kicked 7 more FG's than Reichard up to this point in as many games. Also worried that Vikings will even be more efficient especially in the red zone w/Hock coming back.
 
Can any Vikings fans who knows the team comment on the HC and how aggressive he is on 4th down? Debating dropping Seibert for Reichard ROS but Seibert has kicked 7 more FG's than Reichard up to this point in as many games. Also worried that Vikings will even be more efficient especially in the red zone w/Hock coming back.
I would keep Seibert. He is tearing it up and getting lots of chances. Although, Reichard has been solid and past his bye so there is that. They are kickers. Flip a coin.
 
Can any Vikings fans who knows the team comment on the HC and how aggressive he is on 4th down? Debating dropping Seibert for Reichard ROS but Seibert has kicked 7 more FG's than Reichard up to this point in as many games. Also worried that Vikings will even be more efficient especially in the red zone w/Hock coming back.
I would keep Seibert. He is tearing it up and getting lots of chances. Although, Reichard has been solid and past his bye so there is that. They are kickers. Flip a coin.
Yeah, Seibert and Reichard are my top two kicker "targets" right now in leagues where I'm streaming kickers (which is a bunch). Mainly because I try to get kickers who not only have a high accuracy percentage, but also are on teams who get lots of scoring chances. I lean ever so slightly towards Reichard over Seibert right now for three reasons.... One, the bye is behind MIN. Two, they play indoors (and weather does become more of a factor as the season progresses). Three, Daniels is dinged up, and as good as Mariota looked in a small sample size last week, it is enough of a concern to help me lean slightly in the direction of the MIN kicker.

I have Dicker also in the group that I'm targeting, as well as Bates (although DET concerns me slightly only because of Campbell's propensity to go for 4th downs so often).

Long story short... I tend to stream until I find one I want to keep, with their bye behind them. This week is a good time to start looking for a permanent solution, since we now have three weeks worth of byes that are done.
 
Bates (although DET concerns me slightly only because of Campbell's propensity to go for 4th downs so often)
This is why I never even thought about utilizing Bates.
Yeah, it drops him down some for me, but not totally out of the conversation. Obviously, it depends on league size and format. In leagues where half of the kickers are on the waiver wire, you can probably find a better option than Bates. In leagues where there's maybe a few less kickers available, or where it costs something to add/drop each time, I can live with him over some other options.

For example, comparing kickers who have had their byes, I'd rather have Bates (on a team with tons of scoring chances) than somebody like Folk (TEN) or Sanders (MIA). Those teams just aren't getting enough scoring chances, and I think Bates has a higher floor of 5-7 PPG than they do. Those teams, if they fall behind and have to play catchup, could easily put up a goose egg at the kicker spot. Granted, if/when Tua is back, that may change things for MIA.

Also, I didn't mention Aubrey and Butker because they're typically not available in most leagues. That said, if they are available, they're in the mix as well (with Aubrey being at/near the top of the list).
 
Pretty sad effort on D last night. Zero pressure, terrible coverage, bad penalties. Flores’ D started out great last year and faded badly, hope this year isn’t a repeat. Darnold played OK- Speedy has to catch that ball in the 4th- but takes some big sacks for huge losses. Schedule a little soft coming up so I think they can right the ship but unless they can get their swag back on D, they can definitely lose to anyone.
 
Pretty sad effort on D last night. Zero pressure, terrible coverage, bad penalties. Flores’ D started out great last year and faded badly, hope this year isn’t a repeat. Darnold played OK- Speedy has to catch that ball in the 4th- but takes some big sacks for huge losses. Schedule a little soft coming up so I think they can right the ship but unless they can get their swag back on D, they can definitely lose to anyone.
Agreed. The defensive penalties on 3rd and long were mind-blowing. At least three ticky-tack ones in the first half. Not that they were bad calls. They were just unnecessary by the defense. Not paying attention. And all of those penalties, if not committed, would have likely resulted in punts by the Rams. No situational awareness. I don't understand how a D-lineman can put his hand on/under the facemask of the O-Lineman and not realize that that's going to get called. For a second, maybe. But, then, you realize and position your hand elsewhere, no? Continuing to use leverage and shove even further into his chin/neck area is an easy call. WTF.

Offensively, I'm so tired of seeing this team cruise to easy scores in the first quarter, and then do essentially nothing in Quarters 2-3 (or for the rest of the game, in some cases). STOP RUNNING THE BALL on 2nd and 7 or 8 yards to go!!!! If you ran on 1st down, and only gained 2-3 yards, what makes you think it will get better on 2nd down? Setting your offense up for 3rd and 5-6 repeatedly is losing football. I know it's not that simple, but it kind of seems like it is. I'd much rather see an incomplete pass on 2nd down (give yourself two shots at throwing for the first down) than predictably running for little to no gain, followed by a must-make 3rd and medium.

As for the defensive pressure, I don't get it. None last night. Does Cashman make that big of a difference? I say that somewhat tongue in cheek because he was the only defender of significance who was inactive last night. Have teams "figured out" Flores? Is Stafford that good? I mean, don't get me wrong.... I LOVE Stafford. Think he's the most underrated QB in the NFL in the last 30 years, and if not for a decade on the Lions, he'd be undoubtedly headed to the HOF, in my opinion. But, it felt like the Vikes were scared to blitz him. Take a chance. If you give up a 70-yard score, so be it. I'd take that over the "death by 1000 cuts" defense we saw last night, any day.
 
Pretty sad effort on D last night. Zero pressure, terrible coverage, bad penalties. Flores’ D started out great last year and faded badly, hope this year isn’t a repeat. Darnold played OK- Speedy has to catch that ball in the 4th- but takes some big sacks for huge losses. Schedule a little soft coming up so I think they can right the ship but unless they can get their swag back on D, they can definitely lose to anyone.
The D is very obviously missing Cashman right now. Not only was he the one calling plays and audibles the first 5 weeks, he's also miles better than Pace in pass defense. Pace was sitting out on obvious passing downs with Metellus coming in for those when Cashman was playing and the difference is quite stark. Last two weeks Matellus and Pace have played almost every down and the middle of our D has been exploitable on passing downs.
 
Darrisaw done for the year. It’s great that in 2024 no coach has learned to take unnecessary plays off the table. Just keep beating players to death on unnecessary plays and ruin your season. Keep working 19 hour days looking for an advantage while your best players get carted off for no reason you morons.
Take...a...knee.
 
Unfortunately imo, the Vikings aren’t serious contenders without Darrisaw. Not going to blame the coach for trying to run out from the shadow of the goal posts and kill the clock. It not like Vikings aren’t capable of throwing a 97 yard TD in that situation.

The Monday morning QBs are always right I know. It is what it is. Maybe on will be back on the bandwagon next year with healthy Jj McCartey and CD.
 
Unfortunately imo, the Vikings aren’t serious contenders without Darrisaw. Not going to blame the coach for trying to run out from the shadow of the goal posts and kill the clock. It not like Vikings aren’t capable of throwing a 97 yard TD in that situation.

The Monday morning QBs are always right I know. It is what it is. Maybe on will be back on the bandwagon next year with healthy Jj McCartey and CD.
If you want to kill the clock, simply take a knee. They weren’t throwing the ball there or trying to score. They turned around and ran a HB dive.

It’s not Monday morning QB when people keep saying the same thing over and over.
 
Unfortunately imo, the Vikings aren’t serious contenders without Darrisaw. Not going to blame the coach for trying to run out from the shadow of the goal posts and kill the clock. It not like Vikings aren’t capable of throwing a 97 yard TD in that situation.

The Monday morning QBs are always right I know. It is what it is. Maybe on will be back on the bandwagon next year with healthy Jj McCartey and CD.
If you want to kill the clock, simply take a knee. They weren’t throwing the ball there or trying to score. They turned around and ran a HB dive.

It’s not Monday morning QB when people keep saying the same thing over and over.
You’re right. Have fun.
 
Pretty sad effort on D last night. Zero pressure, terrible coverage, bad penalties. Flores’ D started out great last year and faded badly, hope this year isn’t a repeat. Darnold played OK- Speedy has to catch that ball in the 4th- but takes some big sacks for huge losses. Schedule a little soft coming up so I think they can right the ship but unless they can get their swag back on D, they can definitely lose to anyone.
That is what concerned me. Last two weeks it seems the other team can move at will. It concerned me back during the Houston game when they gave up two drives of over 90 yards, but wrote it off as crap happens.
But after the last two weeks wondering if that crap is basically what we have to look forward whenever we face good offenses. :oldunsure:

Still think they will be 8-2 after these next 3 games, which would exceed my 5 to 6 wins total I thought they'd have.

Rest of the season after that 2 or 4.. Even at 10 wins that would be amazing compared to what most of us thought they'd win.
 
Darrisaw is pretty irreplaceable. So yeah that hurts the whole offense significantly I think.

I didn't watch the Thursday night game at all. Slept like a baby. Didn't even know the score until like noon.

Obviously the coverage is a problem if pressure isn't getting home quickly.
 
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NYGJones686
49ersPurdy333
HOUSStroud232
GBLove334
NY JRodgers23920
DETGoff1249
LARStafford12416

It seems that our defense has done well against QBs with lesser game experience.
They may be easier to confuse than the older more experienced QBs.

Or it could be the D really misses Cashman.
 
TEAMQBGamesYR
NYGJones686
49ersPurdy333
HOUSStroud232
GBLove334
NY JRodgers23920
DETGoff1249
LARStafford12416

It seems that our defense has done well against QBs with lesser game experience.
They may be easier to confuse than the older more experienced QBs.

Or it could be the D really misses Cashman.
Chart seems off. Or have Stafford and Goff really played in the same amount of games?
 
TEAMQBGamesYR
NYGJones686
49ersPurdy333
HOUSStroud232
GBLove334
NY JRodgers23920
DETGoff1249
LARStafford12416

It seems that our defense has done well against QBs with lesser game experience.
They may be easier to confuse than the older more experienced QBs.

Or it could be the D really misses Cashman.
Chart seems off. Or have Stafford and Goff really played in the same amount of games?
OOPS... Stafford should be 213 games played. He has missed almost 4 seasons in his career.
 

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