Read the Browns have interest and that Vikings might be asking for 2nd or 3rd rounder.So now there is a report that even though the Vikings put the tag on Harris that they have told teams they would take a mid to late round pick for Harris.
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As long as Waynes starts most of the games for the Bengals I think they should be looking at a similar comp pick as they got for Richardson, a 3rd rounder. If Harris signed a similarly high contract, then we could expect similar comp pick for him as well. All of this depends on if the Vikings sign any free agents themselves however. They don't have the money to do that, but if they did sign someone to similarly big contract as Waynes and that player starts similar number of games for the Vikings, then it could be a wash.Should expect a good comp pick in 2021, right?
Yeah Waynes is one of the reasons I like how Harris plays the ball all the time. Waynes never does that, he just plays the receiver. That catch by Sutton last year with Waynes draped all over him really stands out to me. Any kind of play on the ball by Waynes and that doesn't happen. I would call it fluke play if Waynes were not so consistent with how he does not play the ball.I’m pretty meh on the CB turnover. If all this system needs is guys who don’t know where the ball is and flail arms when they sense the ball is in the air, it should be a skillset they can fill cheaper than Wayne’s/Rhodes.
Cordarrell Patterson also.When the Vikings suck this year people will blame it on Cousins' contract when it's really due to crappy drafting.
Since 2011, here are their first rounders:
Ponder
Kalil
Sharif Floyd
Rhodes
Barr
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury
When do we start talking about moving on from Spielman?
Because he is very expensive?Why would you not trade for Brandin Cook's?
Details...Because he is very expensive?
How do they afford him?
Otherwise it looks like a perfect fit.
Zimmer and Spielman are on the hot seat. They need to win now.Like the Pierce move a lot. He's a decent upgrade from Linval, and was only slightly more expensive.
He's an elite run defender, like possibly the best in the NFL. He offers little as a pass rusher, but they know that going in. If he were a good pass rusher, he's getting 4-5 million more per year.
Other than the Ham move, I've really liked the Vikings offseason. I don't really think this is a rebuilding team, more of a retooling. They've been fixing past errors. They have trimmed a lot of fat, without losing anyone vital, other than maybe Diggs, whom they got a nice return on.
Regarding the bolded, I have wondered if Barr might see more edge rusher work with Griffin gone. Pass rushing is the best part of Barr's game in my opinion, and they often do him a disservice by not taking greater advantage of it, and instead asking him to cover, which is arguably his greatest weakness.Zimmer and Spielman are on the hot seat. They need to win now.
The salary cap situation and Diggs trade (which the Vikings did not want to do but were forced to by Diggs) however is forcing them to rebuild.
The Vikings just got blown off the ball against the 49ers, so I understand the need for Pierce to help shore that up (Linval failed).
The addition of Capers does suggest the Vikings may be looking at using more uneven fronts, if they do a strong NT helps facilitate that.
I was listening to Eric Eager from pff and he was talking about a study he did which found that defense improve year over year by cuangingvtheir scheme and the Vikings defense has to change because of all the players they have lost there.
Shamar Stephen was one of the worst DT in the NFL last year. He needs to be replaced too.
This has been something that gets talked about every year.Regarding the bolded, I have wondered if Barr might see more edge rusher work with Griffin gone. Pass rushing is the best part of Barr's game in my opinion, and they often do him a disservice by not taking greater advantage of it, and instead asking him to cover, which is arguably his greatest weakness.
He's had a lot of concussions/head injuries the last few seasons, hasn't he?Why would you not trade for Brandin Cook's?
If they had any money, I’d like to see them make an offer to Robby Anderson.Why would you not trade for Brandin Cook's?
They now have a ton of draft capitol in an unprecedented WR draft. My guess is Diggs will be replaced with a rookie or two.Why would you not trade for Brandin Cook's?
True but they need a nearly compete defensive backfield, interior defensive line, and a couple guards. If a talent like Cooks could be had for say a third, and that's likely the highest it'd be, then they're free to use that draft capitol for those other positions.They now have a ton of draft capitol in an unprecedented WR draft. My guess is Diggs will be replaced with a rookie or two.
Not trying to start a big argument here, but curious why you say that... He seemed to be solid last year as the nickel corner. While Rhodes was getting burnt toasted seemingly every other play, I don't recall many times where the slot receiver tore Alexander up.Mackenzie Alexander to the Bengals. Good riddance.
I just don't think he's very good. Being better than Rhodes isn't something to hang your hat on.Not trying to start a big argument here, but curious why you say that... He seemed to be solid last year as the nickel corner. While Rhodes was getting burnt toasted seemingly every other play, I don't recall many times where the slot receiver tore Alexander up.
Well I was only making the comparison because it was obvious how bad Rhodes was... but did it seem to you like Alexander was getting beat like crazy? From what I read, PFF had rated him in the upper half of nickel corners the past couple of years. And the eyeball test told me that although he wasn't one of the best on our D, he certainly wasn't one of the big problems. The way you reacted to him signing with the Bengals made it seem like you thought he was a huge liability, and I'd argue there were other spots on D I was much more concerned with.I just don't think he's very good. Being better than Rhodes isn't something to hang your hat on.
Might as well see what Perriman would cost if he's really flipped the switch. Then they save all of their draft picks.True but they need a nearly compete defensive backfield, interior defensive line, and a couple guards. If a talent like Cooks could be had for say a third, and that's likely the highest it'd be, then they're free to use that draft capitol for those other positions.
He was constantly out of position.Well I was only making the comparison because it was obvious how bad Rhodes was... but did it seem to you like Alexander was getting beat like crazy? From what I read, PFF had rated him in the upper half of nickel corners the past couple of years. And the eyeball test told me that although he wasn't one of the best on our D, he certainly wasn't one of the big problems. The way you reacted to him signing with the Bengals made it seem like you thought he was a huge liability, and I'd argue there were other spots on D I was much more concerned with.
Well, I'm certain there's one thing we can both agree on... regardless of what we thought of the guys who are gone, we sure do need a bunch of corners now!He was constantly out of position.
He's rated highly as a tackler because he always had to tackle the guy that had just made the catch.
His awareness is sub par.
Well Andy is a passionate fan, just like the rest of us. It would be nice to have studs everywhere, but there are going to be spots where you have average ok guys, and I think that's what Alexander was. I think it just hurts to lose him because now that's so many dang CB spots to fill this offseason. Would have been nice to at least keep him, so we'd only have to fill the outside guys. However, I wouldn't support keeping him at an inflated price (not sure what the Bengals gave him?)...I think Andy presented a few stir the pot type posts recently. Alexander good enough to start and start outside like he wants, but he resisted coaching to play inside. This would have been his chance to move up the depth chart, I dont think he and the coaches wanted that after the bad blood though.
I do think Alexander played better than Andy gives him credit for, but the Vikings replaced him with Sendejo without missing him much too.
Its a pretty small sum. I think you are in trouble if Alexander is a top-2 CB on your team, but then again, I think he and Waynes were similar caliber players(albeit entirely different types) and he's getting 3 times that much.Alexander got a 1 year deal for $4 million from the Bengals.
Pretty weak market for him.
For sure.Zulgad: No laughing matter: Vikings’ moves create confusion, not confidence
I think Zulgad may be wrong about the savings the Vikings got from cutting Josh kline, as I read somewhere they got additional $2 million savings by cutting him before a specific date. The details of these contracts that even journalists don't really know. I would agree he wasn't as bad as Elflien though. That doesn't mean he was good.
Really I think the main problem is that they brought back Barr and Rudolph last season, when they should have been let go.
I haven't watched Coulter.Antonio Gandy-Golden Liberty
Gabriel Davis UCF
Isaiah Coulter Rhode Island
Lynn Bowden Kentucky
Neither is Van Jefferson.I haven't watched Coulter.
I did watch these other guys and they dont seem ready.