Missing Element-Brett Favre & The Packers (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Seems different from what you posted in your prior pots. I thought it was about evidence of it not questioning it. If your questioning it shouldn't you have some support material that led you to start questioning it?

My first post on this topic asked if anyone thought people were not playing hard this year. Its that simple.And nobody has even tried to answer that. Instead I get quotes from people about how important leadership is, that people played hard for Favre, and that Favre is a good leader.

It isn't that simple and you fail to understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am saying, in the aspect of guys trying harder for one and not the other, not one person has come up with anything to show that people are not playing harder now.

You will not find one person to come up with anything! Do you really think that proves anything? Hell no it doesn't. It just continues to show how to try and take some stupid stance and think it is proving something.Again, answer this for me, PLEASE. Do you really expect to find a player that will say...."I am not playing as hard for Aaron as I did for Brett".Playing hard is not the same thing as making plays or having someone around you that elevates your play. I really do think you are nuts.All you do is spin and spin to a point you have to backpeddle and start to hang your hat on stupid arguements like are the players playing hard for Rodgers. Give me a break, sho.You are a Favre detractor and the board knows it. I will be like Joe B. know and realize there is no point in dealing with you.

Exactly...I won't. But that was my point on page one...and phase called it nonsense to which you gave him a So obviously you all either disagree with me...or just want to argue.9 pages of spin by a few of you on that simple comment that you now admit people cannot disprove.I did not try and make some stupid stance.I disagreed with a portion of the article and stated my disagreement.Several here went off the deep end arguing with me stating I was ignoring Favre's leadership.I am not saying playing hard is not the same as making plays.I may be nuts...nuts for even trying to explain things to you all over and over before you finally understand and quit with the usual nonsense.But I keep doing it for some reason.And the spin, again, has come from you and your buddies in this thread.Backpedal? Look at page freakin 1. My point has remained the same the entire thread...its the same on page 10 now as it was then. How is that backpedaling?Ahh...another one trying to hide behind Joe B. Great. When all of your spin and crap fails...hide behind a mod acting as if bringing up his name lends any credibility to your spin.I stand by my original statement on this topic."Its a decent article...and yes, some of what Favre did could have helped some with this team.But, and of course its an opinion...it would not have been enough with this team.Does anyone think this defense was playing any less hard today trying to win in the end?Does anyone think Grant and Kuhn were not trying as hard to get that first down on 3 straight runs today?"

 

[Mario Kart]

 

[zDragon]

You just don't see the writing on the wall. Opening your eyes and understanding what the players are saying might help.Not one thing says they are playing as well for Rodgers as they did for Brett. Prove they are. Oh yeah you can't.Once again you can't see the forest for the trees.

I read what the players said.Not one of them are claiming they are not playing hard for Rodgers...not one.Prove they are not. You can't do that either.Get it?I see that you are stuck on spinning this thing round and round because you don't agree with me...or you are bored and just want to keep arguing.How is the proof of that accusation coming.Still waiting for you to link to me admitting I diminish Favre.

I might be able to prove it to you but have provided enough evidence to lead one to that conclusion. I have yet see you post anything supporting your side.I am bored but am not spinning at all. Still waiting to see your side supported. Like I said before another poster already did that so why would I waste my time. Maybe you should prove you are not.

My side is that there is no evidence suggesting players are not playing hard because of Rodgers. Thats the point.I posted an opinion on page one...what kind of support do you need.This thread here proves my point...there is not one bit of evidence to suggest players are playing less hard simply because of the QB.And no...no poster has already proven your bogus accusation.It should be easy...find my quote in this thread where I admit I diminish Favre. You won't do it...because you can't. Because your claim was a complete and total lie.You can keep repeating that another poster did...that is just lie #2.

I thought your point was players were playing the just as hard regardless of Brett being there or Rodgers be the QB. I didn't realize your point was you have nothing to support they are not.Fine you have no evidence to even start to back up your opinion. No need to be in the conversation any more then.I just did that myself since you seem to like bringing it up. I'll check for your spin there.Oh. yeah I'd like to see where I called Favre the messiah by the way.

My point is I have seen no evidence that players are not playing as hard with Rodgers as they did with Favre.Its an opinion. of course there is no actual evidence on it...just as there is no evidence to say otherwise.No need to be in the conversation because an opinion has no evidence to support it? There is nothing to support the other side of it either...despite 9 pages of you all spinning trying to prove things I never disagreed with.Id like to see where I claimed you called him that by the way.

People have posted support that you write off. You have only provided your opinion. I"ll take the word of former team mates, coaches, and the NFL expoerts. BTW you never answerd what team you played or what sport. You know the camera and coaches watching comment. Still waiting to hear that.

 

[sho nuff]

You just don't see the writing on the wall. Opening your eyes and understanding what the players are saying might help.

Not one thing says they are playing as well for Rodgers as they did for Brett. Prove they are. Oh yeah you can't.

Once again you can't see the forest for the trees.

I read what the players said.Not one of them are claiming they are not playing hard for Rodgers...not one.

Prove they are not. You can't do that either.

Get it?

I see that you are stuck on spinning this thing round and round because you don't agree with me...or you are bored and just want to keep arguing.

How is the proof of that accusation coming.

Still waiting for you to link to me admitting I diminish Favre.

I might be able to prove it to you but have provided enough evidence to lead one to that conclusion. I have yet see you post anything supporting your side.I am bored but am not spinning at all. Still waiting to see your side supported.

Like I said before another poster already did that so why would I waste my time. Maybe you should prove you are not.

My side is that there is no evidence suggesting players are not playing hard because of Rodgers. Thats the point.I posted an opinion on page one...what kind of support do you need.

This thread here proves my point...there is not one bit of evidence to suggest players are playing less hard simply because of the QB.

And no...no poster has already proven your bogus accusation.

It should be easy...find my quote in this thread where I admit I diminish Favre. You won't do it...because you can't. Because your claim was a complete and total lie.

You can keep repeating that another poster did...that is just lie #2.

I thought your point was players were playing the just as hard regardless of Brett being there or Rodgers be the QB. I didn't realize your point was you have nothing to support they are not.Fine you have no evidence to even start to back up your opinion. No need to be in the conversation any more then.

I just did that myself since you seem to like bringing it up. I'll check for your spin there.

Oh. yeah I'd like to see where I called Favre the messiah by the way.

My point is I have seen no evidence that players are not playing as hard with Rodgers as they did with Favre.Its an opinion. of course there is no actual evidence on it...just as there is no evidence to say otherwise.

No need to be in the conversation because an opinion has no evidence to support it? There is nothing to support the other side of it either...despite 9 pages of you all spinning trying to prove things I never disagreed with.

Id like to see where I claimed you called him that by the way.

People have posted support that you write off. You have only provided your opinion. I"ll take the word of former team mates, coaches, and the NFL expoerts. BTW you never answerd what team you played or what sport. You know the camera and coaches watching comment. Still waiting to hear that.

People have not supported anything that refutes my original spot.They have posted alot of great information showing he is a great leader (a concept or idea that I have never denied).

Im glad you take their word...I do too...none of it showed anything contradictory to what I have been saying. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in.

I did answer your question about that comment right after you said it.

I stated none of us are athletes with the cameras on our every move.

Your reading comprehension is slipping...you are reposting a question that was a bit off in the first place that I have already answered.

Not my fault you are so bent on arguing with me that you miss such things...and so bent out of shape because I called you on your bogus accusation too...its turned you into "prove it" man. Its pretty funny to watch...but getting kind of sad.

Justfor you though, here is the post where I answered the question the first time.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9709565

 

[zDragon]

You just don't see the writing on the wall. Opening your eyes and understanding what the players are saying might help.

Not one thing says they are playing as well for Rodgers as they did for Brett. Prove they are. Oh yeah you can't.

Once again you can't see the forest for the trees.

I read what the players said.Not one of them are claiming they are not playing hard for Rodgers...not one.

Prove they are not. You can't do that either.

Get it?

I see that you are stuck on spinning this thing round and round because you don't agree with me...or you are bored and just want to keep arguing.

How is the proof of that accusation coming.

Still waiting for you to link to me admitting I diminish Favre.

I might be able to prove it to you but have provided enough evidence to lead one to that conclusion. I have yet see you post anything supporting your side.I am bored but am not spinning at all. Still waiting to see your side supported.

Like I said before another poster already did that so why would I waste my time. Maybe you should prove you are not.

My side is that there is no evidence suggesting players are not playing hard because of Rodgers. Thats the point.I posted an opinion on page one...what kind of support do you need.

This thread here proves my point...there is not one bit of evidence to suggest players are playing less hard simply because of the QB.

And no...no poster has already proven your bogus accusation.

It should be easy...find my quote in this thread where I admit I diminish Favre. You won't do it...because you can't. Because your claim was a complete and total lie.

You can keep repeating that another poster did...that is just lie #2.

I thought your point was players were playing the just as hard regardless of Brett being there or Rodgers be the QB. I didn't realize your point was you have nothing to support they are not.Fine you have no evidence to even start to back up your opinion. No need to be in the conversation any more then.

I just did that myself since you seem to like bringing it up. I'll check for your spin there.

Oh. yeah I'd like to see where I called Favre the messiah by the way.

My point is I have seen no evidence that players are not playing as hard with Rodgers as they did with Favre.Its an opinion. of course there is no actual evidence on it...just as there is no evidence to say otherwise.

No need to be in the conversation because an opinion has no evidence to support it? There is nothing to support the other side of it either...despite 9 pages of you all spinning trying to prove things I never disagreed with.

Id like to see where I claimed you called him that by the way.

People have posted support that you write off. You have only provided your opinion. I"ll take the word of former team mates, coaches, and the NFL expoerts. BTW you never answerd what team you played or what sport. You know the camera and coaches watching comment. Still waiting to hear that.

People have not supported anything that refutes my original spot.They have posted alot of great information showing he is a great leader (a concept or idea that I have never denied).

Im glad you take their word...I do too...none of it showed anything contradictory to what I have been saying. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in.

I did answer your question about that comment right after you said it.

I stated none of us are athletes with the cameras on our every move.

Your reading comprehension is slipping...you are reposting a question that was a bit off in the first place that I have already answered.

Not my fault you are so bent on arguing with me that you miss such things...and so bent out of shape because I called you on your bogus accusation too...its turned you into "prove it" man. Its pretty funny to watch...but getting kind of sad.

Justfor you though, here is the post where I answered the question the first time.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9709565

Still not seeing the forest for the trees.Your right my reading comprehension was off on that one but am willing admit a mistake or when I'm wrong.

I'm not bent out of shape what gives you that idea. I've never asked for anything more than facts or for you to prove your side of the argument. Pretty sure the one who started throwing liar around and such. Your the one who got bent out of shape and started saying everyone thinks Favre is the messiah not me.

I did not make the original accusation but it was correct. I posted the proof and you spin it and spin it and spin it. See you can't diminish what Favre has done becase stats are stats. So you target peoples opinion of him to try and diminish him. You've justified it in your mind that there is a difference so it's ok to you. Maybe it should make it into a poll to see what everyone else thinks.

 

[sho nuff]

You just don't see the writing on the wall. Opening your eyes and understanding what the players are saying might help.

Not one thing says they are playing as well for Rodgers as they did for Brett. Prove they are. Oh yeah you can't.

Once again you can't see the forest for the trees.

I read what the players said.Not one of them are claiming they are not playing hard for Rodgers...not one.

Prove they are not. You can't do that either.

Get it?

I see that you are stuck on spinning this thing round and round because you don't agree with me...or you are bored and just want to keep arguing.

How is the proof of that accusation coming.

Still waiting for you to link to me admitting I diminish Favre.

I might be able to prove it to you but have provided enough evidence to lead one to that conclusion. I have yet see you post anything supporting your side.I am bored but am not spinning at all. Still waiting to see your side supported.

Like I said before another poster already did that so why would I waste my time. Maybe you should prove you are not.

My side is that there is no evidence suggesting players are not playing hard because of Rodgers. Thats the point.I posted an opinion on page one...what kind of support do you need.

This thread here proves my point...there is not one bit of evidence to suggest players are playing less hard simply because of the QB.

And no...no poster has already proven your bogus accusation.

It should be easy...find my quote in this thread where I admit I diminish Favre. You won't do it...because you can't. Because your claim was a complete and total lie.

You can keep repeating that another poster did...that is just lie #2.

I thought your point was players were playing the just as hard regardless of Brett being there or Rodgers be the QB. I didn't realize your point was you have nothing to support they are not.Fine you have no evidence to even start to back up your opinion. No need to be in the conversation any more then.

I just did that myself since you seem to like bringing it up. I'll check for your spin there.

Oh. yeah I'd like to see where I called Favre the messiah by the way.

My point is I have seen no evidence that players are not playing as hard with Rodgers as they did with Favre.Its an opinion. of course there is no actual evidence on it...just as there is no evidence to say otherwise.

No need to be in the conversation because an opinion has no evidence to support it? There is nothing to support the other side of it either...despite 9 pages of you all spinning trying to prove things I never disagreed with.

Id like to see where I claimed you called him that by the way.

People have posted support that you write off. You have only provided your opinion. I"ll take the word of former team mates, coaches, and the NFL expoerts. BTW you never answerd what team you played or what sport. You know the camera and coaches watching comment. Still waiting to hear that.

People have not supported anything that refutes my original spot.They have posted alot of great information showing he is a great leader (a concept or idea that I have never denied).

Im glad you take their word...I do too...none of it showed anything contradictory to what I have been saying. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in.

I did answer your question about that comment right after you said it.

I stated none of us are athletes with the cameras on our every move.

Your reading comprehension is slipping...you are reposting a question that was a bit off in the first place that I have already answered.

Not my fault you are so bent on arguing with me that you miss such things...and so bent out of shape because I called you on your bogus accusation too...its turned you into "prove it" man. Its pretty funny to watch...but getting kind of sad.

Justfor you though, here is the post where I answered the question the first time.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9709565

Still not seeing the forest for the trees.Your right my reading comprehension was off on that one but am willing admit a mistake or when I'm wrong.

I'm not bent out of shape what gives you that idea. I've never asked for anything more than facts or for you to prove your side of the argument. Pretty sure the one who started throwing liar around and such. Your the one who got bent out of shape and started saying everyone thinks Favre is the messiah not me.

I did not make the original accusation but it was correct. I posted the proof and you spin it and spin it and spin it. See you can't diminish what Favre has done becase stats are stats. So you target peoples opinion of him to try and diminish him. You've justified it in your mind that there is a difference so it's ok to you. Maybe it should make it into a poll to see what everyone else thinks.

I threw liar around when 2 of your posted a complete and total lie about what I have said.Everyone thinks Favre is the messiah? Again...you spin and twist my actual words from "you all make him out to be the messiah".

You still don't have it right...shocking.

And yes, you did make the original accusation that I admitted to diminishing Favre.

You posted complete spin...you did that, not me. You have still not posted proof where I ever admitted diminishing "HIM". Diminishing people's opinion of him is not diminishing him.

If someone says Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time, and I claim that person overrates him...that is not diminishing Tom Brady. That is diminishing a person's opinion of him. Its simple logic...a concept that seems to be completely lacking in your posts.

Ive justified it with the fact that I never stated what you claimed I did.

A poll? Sure...so you, phase, ookie, stinger, and spring can all vote that Im doing something and nobody else really gives a flying you know what.

Just grow up already.

 

[GreenNGold]

Here is the proof you guys are looking for: Favre's leadership is 1011.3Rodger's leadership is 876.4 This means Favre is worth about 4.18 wins more per season than Rodgers at their current values, as every 32.27 in difference = 1 win.

I see you also use the SKCUSTT Leadership model. I think you need to recheck your figures though. I came up with 866.4 for Rodgers. I ran the formulas three times so I think I am correct.

Good catch, you are correct. That's what I get for adding in my head instead of using a calculator. Rodgers should be 866.4

 

[Phase of the Game]

sho was asking for proof that he diminished Favresho nuff' date='Oct 29 2008,

Yes...I would agree playcalling is bad...but his decisions are even worse right now. He is reverting back to that 2005 Brett and that is not a good thing.

Brett has always been a pretty loose cannon

sho nuff Aug 4 2008

I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

Ummm...they were likely to regress with Favre around.

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My claim was that if Favre supposedly made them so much better in other facets of the game, why did they not do so well in the running game early in the year with that same Brett Favre at QB?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My logic is that the teams chances with Favre are not that dramatically different without him

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

The Jets are a pretender. They might get a wild card...but they will still finish well behind NE.A legit contender in the East "should" win around 9 games? Ouch.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

IF this report is true...I agree, Favre comes off as toolish.

 

[Phase of the Game]

and moresho nuff Oct 20 2008

This is a player, again if true, going out of his own way to call another team...there is no motivation behind that to serve Favre or the Jets other than to be vindictive.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

Its about about just being a classless move from the guy that many have respected for a while.

sho nuff Oct 22 2008

Non story?One of the biggest names in football trying to stick it to his former team and pissing off his old teammates is a nonstory?

sho nuff Sept 28 2008

and even last week as Favre sucked against SD.

sho nuff Sept 28 2008

Sorry...even with Favre you still had to worry about him getting hurt.

sho nuff Sept 28 2008

All to bow down to a 38 year old QB.

 

[Phase of the Game]

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sho nuff Sept 29 2008

Were you saying the same thing when Favre stunk up the joint against SD?

sho nuff Sept 30 2008

Sure, he carried them at times...but he was also a liability at times.

sho nuff Sept 30 2008

Even after you basically call your boss a liar and play things out through ESPN?

sho nuff Sept 30 2008

Im glad another one of these posts has turned into a pile on sho nuff because he speaks facts rather than just opinion...because he refuses to bow down at the feet of Brett Favre

sho nuff Sept 30 2008

Would anyone really want a QB who was not committed to doing all the things necessary to win?

sho nuff Oct 5 2008

Would Favre have won it? I don't know.

Would Favre have thrown that same kind of INT? I don't know that either.

sho nuff Oct 14 2008

Come on now...he has played well and has had those boneheaded Brett moments

sho nuff Oct 14 2008

Yup...his rating is up there...of course, his rating looked good in the SD game...but anyone who watched it saw that his INTs put the team in a hole they never recovered from.

13/6 TD to INT is nice (built upon one game against AZ) but also leaves out the 2 fumbles...one of which was returned for a TD...as was one of his INTs.

Overall, his 8 turnovers have led to 4 TDs and AZ ended up with a FG getting blocked.

He is not playing as well as he did last season as far as how he got to be runner up in the MVP.

Making more mistakes. He only had 15 INTs all year last year...this year he already has 6 through 5 games.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

Favre played a great 2nd half against SD after screwing the game up early and padded some stats. Played a great game against Arizona.

Other than that...its been either ho hum...or just plain bad like yesterday.

I could go on and on and yetsho nuff on Brett Favre: "I go through no lengths to diminish what the guy has done."

 

[ScottyFargo]

sho was asking for proof that he dimished Favresho nuff' date='Oct 29 2008,

Yes...I would agree playcalling is bad...but his decisions are even worse right now. He is reverting back to that 2005 Brett and that is not a good thing.

Brett has always been a pretty loose cannon

sho nuff Aug 4 2008

I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

Ummm...they were likely to regress with Favre around.

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My claim was that if Favre supposedly made them so much better in other facets of the game, why did they not do so well in the running game early in the year with that same Brett Favre at QB?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My logic is that the teams chances with Favre are not that dramatically different without him

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

The Jets are a pretender. They might get a wild card...but they will still finish well behind NE.A legit contender in the East "should" win around 9 games? Ouch.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

IF this report is true...I agree, Favre comes off as toolish.

These look like honest criticisms of Favre, not outlandish insults. I don't remember where who said what about this, but this isn't the worst things anybody could have said about Favre. But his Aug 20 comments are pretty funny considering all three teams that are competing for the NFC East are legit contenders with 9 wins... currently. Whoever he was quoting hit it pretty close to the mark.

 

[Phase of the Game]

sho was asking for proof that he dimished Favresho nuff' date='Oct 29 2008,

Yes...I would agree playcalling is bad...but his decisions are even worse right now. He is reverting back to that 2005 Brett and that is not a good thing.

Brett has always been a pretty loose cannon

sho nuff Aug 4 2008

I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

Ummm...they were likely to regress with Favre around.

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My claim was that if Favre supposedly made them so much better in other facets of the game, why did they not do so well in the running game early in the year with that same Brett Favre at QB?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My logic is that the teams chances with Favre are not that dramatically different without him

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

The Jets are a pretender. They might get a wild card...but they will still finish well behind NE.A legit contender in the East "should" win around 9 games? Ouch.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

IF this report is true...I agree, Favre comes off as toolish.

These look like honest criticisms of Favre,

But according to sho he doesn't do anything do diminish or criticize Favre. You think calling Favre toolish or a loss cannon is a honest criticism?

 

[sho nuff]

sho was asking for proof that he dimished Favresho nuff' date='Oct 29 2008,

Yes...I would agree playcalling is bad...but his decisions are even worse right now. He is reverting back to that 2005 Brett and that is not a good thing.

Brett has always been a pretty loose cannon

sho nuff Aug 4 2008

I still have my trepidations with him if he does stay in GB. How mentally into it is he? Is he ready to handle the cold games? Is he over how beat down he looked at the end of last season?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

Ummm...they were likely to regress with Favre around.

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My claim was that if Favre supposedly made them so much better in other facets of the game, why did they not do so well in the running game early in the year with that same Brett Favre at QB?

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

My logic is that the teams chances with Favre are not that dramatically different without him

sho nuff Aug 20 2008

The Jets are a pretender. They might get a wild card...but they will still finish well behind NE.A legit contender in the East "should" win around 9 games? Ouch.

sho nuff Oct 20 2008

IF this report is true...I agree, Favre comes off as toolish.

These look like honest criticisms of Favre, not outlandish insults. I don't remember where who said what about this, but this isn't the worst things anybody could have said about Favre. But his Aug 20 comments are pretty funny considering all three teams that are competing for the NFC East are legit contenders with 9 wins... currently. Whoever he was quoting hit it pretty close to the mark.

They are honestly criticisms of the man...they are not diminishing anything he did...they are opinions of his play.Phase does not understand this...so he took that time (talk about a freakin obsession...sheesh) to pull up my quotes.In addition, what I asked for proof of...was the claim zDragon made that I admit to diminishing Favre. SO Phase even got that wrong.I will admit to being wrong about the Jets.They did quite well this year at times...bad at times...but overall won some tough games. He has done well there, as have the other pieces they brought in.Of late, that entire team (Brett inlcuded) has not looked as good and better improve if they want to hit the postseason.

 

[sho nuff]

But according to sho he doesn't do anything do diminish or criticize Favre. You think calling Favre toolish or a loss cannon is a honest criticism?

According to me I don't criticize him? Again...link. I never once claimed such a thing.And you wonder why I claim you lie and spin and twist. You make things up.And I did not just call him toolish. I said if the reports were true that he was discussing strategies with the Lions that he comes off as toolish. Again, you chose to spin what I actually said.Loose cannon...yes, that is similar to calling him a gunslinger. He will let it fly no matter what. He did that alot in the end with Sherman, dialed it back a bit with McCarthy last year...came out like that a bit with Mangini this year (got better in the middle and dialed the mistakes back again this year but recently has gone back to being a bit wreckless with the ball).But again...instead of just admitting you are full of it (because you are) you instead spin my comments and lie about them again.NOt shocking at all.I mean, you spun so much you even got Scotty to defend me.Though I am sure Stinger will come along with a good posting or owned icon soon.

 

[ScottyFargo]

But according to sho he doesn't do anything do diminish or criticize Favre. You think calling Favre toolish or a loss cannon is a honest criticism?

According to me I don't criticize him? Again...link. I never once claimed such a thing.And you wonder why I claim you lie and spin and twist. You make things up.

And I did not just call him toolish. I said if the reports were true that he was discussing strategies with the Lions that he comes off as toolish. Again, you chose to spin what I actually said.

Loose cannon...yes, that is similar to calling him a gunslinger. He will let it fly no matter what. He did that alot in the end with Sherman, dialed it back a bit with McCarthy last year...came out like that a bit with Mangini this year (got better in the middle and dialed the mistakes back again this year but recently has gone back to being a bit wreckless with the ball).

But again...instead of just admitting you are full of it (because you are) you instead spin my comments and lie about them again.

NOt shocking at all.

I mean, you spun so much you even got Scotty to defend me.

Though I am sure Stinger will come along with a good posting or owned icon soon.

I just think that in order to be going to lengths to diminish something, you'd have to be either outlandishly insulting someone or making things up. I don't agree with all of your intepretations of all your quotes, but they were hardly malicious. You might have been spinning, you were probably just using your own insight, or even wishful thinking, but whatever it was, it's not all the same thing.

 

[bcr8f]

Sep 07 NYJ 20 @ MIA 14 - Jets had a 13 point lead until a late TD by the Dolphins led to this score

Sep 14 NE 19 @ NYJ 10 - The Jets lost 13 yards on their final drive of the game before punting and never seeing the ball again.

Sep 22 NYJ 29 @ SD 48 - No end of game impact.

Sep 28 ARI 35 @ NYJ 56 - The 6-TD game... no end of game impact

Oct 12 CIN 14 @ NYJ 26 - Thomas Jones ran in a late TD to put away the mighty Bengals

Oct 19 NYJ 13 @ OAK 16 - Got the game into OT with a nice drive for a FG at the end of regulation but couldn't do anything with 3 OT posessions

Oct 26 KC 24 @ NYJ 28 - Favre led the game winning TD drive after throwing a pick-six in the red zone to give KC a late lead

Nov 02 NYJ 26 @ BUF 17 - Favre throws a pick six in the 4th to get the Bills within 6 points, but the Jets get a late FG to seal it.

Nov 09 STL 3 @ NYJ 47 - No contest

Nov 13 NYJ 34 @ NE 31 - Excellent drive in OT to win.

Nov 23 NYJ 34 @ TEN 13 - No end of game impact.

Nov 30 DEN 34 @ NYJ 17 - Favre failed to convert three fourth down attempts in the second half against a soft Denver D.

Dec 07 NYJ 14 @ SF 24 - The Jets had 23 yards of offense on 4 drives in the 4th quarter, one of which ended in an INT.

Dec 14 BUF 27 @ NYJ 31 - The Jets had 3 drives for 18 yards of offense in the 4th quarter and win on a defensive fumble return for TD.

From what I can see, Favre hasn't done that well

 

[sho nuff]

But according to sho he doesn't do anything do diminish or criticize Favre. You think calling Favre toolish or a loss cannon is a honest criticism?

According to me I don't criticize him? Again...link. I never once claimed such a thing.And you wonder why I claim you lie and spin and twist. You make things up.

And I did not just call him toolish. I said if the reports were true that he was discussing strategies with the Lions that he comes off as toolish. Again, you chose to spin what I actually said.

Loose cannon...yes, that is similar to calling him a gunslinger. He will let it fly no matter what. He did that alot in the end with Sherman, dialed it back a bit with McCarthy last year...came out like that a bit with Mangini this year (got better in the middle and dialed the mistakes back again this year but recently has gone back to being a bit wreckless with the ball).

But again...instead of just admitting you are full of it (because you are) you instead spin my comments and lie about them again.

NOt shocking at all.

I mean, you spun so much you even got Scotty to defend me.

Though I am sure Stinger will come along with a good posting or owned icon soon.

I just think that in order to be going to lengths to diminish something, you'd have to be either outlandishly insulting someone or making things up. I don't agree with all of your intepretations of all your quotes, but they were hardly malicious. You might have been spinning, you were probably just using your own insight, or even wishful thinking, but whatever it was, it's not all the same thing.

I agree...now...if I were to seriously make a point that we should discount the 6 TDs vs Arizona since Tarvaris Jackson threw 4...he may have a point..but I would only do that in jest.

 

[sho nuff]

Sep 07 NYJ 20 @ MIA 14 - Jets had a 13 point lead until a late TD by the Dolphins led to this scoreSep 14 NE 19 @ NYJ 10 - The Jets lost 13 yards on their final drive of the game before punting and never seeing the ball again.Sep 22 NYJ 29 @ SD 48 - No end of game impact.Sep 28 ARI 35 @ NYJ 56 - The 6-TD game... no end of game impactOct 12 CIN 14 @ NYJ 26 - Thomas Jones ran in a late TD to put away the mighty BengalsOct 19 NYJ 13 @ OAK 16 - Got the game into OT with a nice drive for a FG at the end of regulation but couldn't do anything with 3 OT posessionsOct 26 KC 24 @ NYJ 28 - Favre led the game winning TD drive after throwing a pick-six in the red zone to give KC a late leadNov 02 NYJ 26 @ BUF 17 - Favre throws a pick six in the 4th to get the Bills within 6 points, but the Jets get a late FG to seal it.Nov 09 STL 3 @ NYJ 47 - No contestNov 13 NYJ 34 @ NE 31 - Excellent drive in OT to win.Nov 23 NYJ 34 @ TEN 13 - No end of game impact.Nov 30 DEN 34 @ NYJ 17 - Favre failed to convert three fourth down attempts in the second half against a soft Denver D.Dec 07 NYJ 14 @ SF 24 - The Jets had 23 yards of offense on 4 drives in the 4th quarter, one of which ended in an INT.Dec 14 BUF 27 @ NYJ 31 - The Jets had 3 drives for 18 yards of offense in the 4th quarter and win on a defensive fumble return for TD.From what I can see, Favre hasn't done that well

I would not say he has not done that well.He had a great stretch in the middle of the year with that TN game and the NE game that got him into MVP consideration at the time.Since then, both he and the Jets defense have not been very good.

 

[zDragon]

Seems different from what you posted in your prior pots. I thought it was about evidence of it not questioning it. If your questioning it shouldn't you have some support material that led you to start questioning it?

My first post on this topic asked if anyone thought people were not playing hard this year. Its that simple.And nobody has even tried to answer that. Instead I get quotes from people about how important leadership is, that people played hard for Favre, and that Favre is a good leader.

It isn't that simple and you fail to understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am saying, in the aspect of guys trying harder for one and not the other, not one person has come up with anything to show that people are not playing harder now.

You will not find one person to come up with anything! Do you really think that proves anything? Hell no it doesn't. It just continues to show how to try and take some stupid stance and think it is proving something.Again, answer this for me, PLEASE. Do you really expect to find a player that will say...."I am not playing as hard for Aaron as I did for Brett".Playing hard is not the same thing as making plays or having someone around you that elevates your play. I really do think you are nuts.All you do is spin and spin to a point you have to backpeddle and start to hang your hat on stupid arguements like are the players playing hard for Rodgers. Give me a break, sho.You are a Favre detractor and the board knows it. I will be like Joe B. know and realize there is no point in dealing with you.

Who's Joe B.? I've seen this several times in threads.

 

[fatness]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36075694.html

Something has been missing from a team that 11 months ago was a field goal away from playing in the Super Bowl. The Packers have been in every game but one this season and yet they have lacked the spark or the confidence or whatever it is that they had last year that got them over the hump in so many close games.

It's easy to pass their 5-8 record off on injuries or misfortune or youth.

But what if the missing ingredient is Brett Favre? Not the touchdown passes, yards and interceptions he contributed; rather the aura, unspoken leadership and broad shoulders he provided for a team learning to win again.

The biggest mistake general manager Ted Thompson might have made in constructing this team was to underestimate how Favre's presence would be missed around the organization.

Don't disagree it's over and nothing you can do. But looking at gm move and how they worked out is always going to be a huge part of the talk here.

J

Thompson looks smarter now.

 

[sho nuff]

Guys sure looked like they were playing hard for Rodgers, Driver, Woodson.....

 

[Stinger Ray]

The official o/u on the percentage of total posts in this thread by sho is 27%.

Close.... 23.6%

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

The official o/u on the percentage of total posts in this thread by sho is 27%.

Close.... 23.6%

And that would be the last of Stinger's ammo.

 

[Carver]

If there is one thing I love about the SP, it's that you WILL be held accountable for what you say... even if it it is 2 years after the fact.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The official o/u on the percentage of total posts in this thread by sho is 27%.

Close.... 23.6%

And that would be the last of Stinger's ammo.

Very happy with how the team evolved and how it turned out.

 

[sho nuff]

It's extremely gratifying to see the Packers struggle with Favre gone...the organization deservers what it gets. The GM is a joke and should be canned.

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Stinger Ray]

It's extremely gratifying to see the Packers struggle with Favre gone...the organization deservers what it gets. The GM is a joke and should be canned.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Just remember you have been known to whine about people replying to and bumping old posts to pile on.

 

[gandalas]

How many multiple years-old posts are going to be resurrected this week? It is getting a little ridiculous...

 

[sho nuff]

How many multiple years-old posts are going to be resurrected this week? It is getting a little ridiculous...

Given the amount of hate that was spewed towards Thompson and others...bit of vindication I guess. Though, also interesting that Thompson is keeping it classy and won't even let out a peep of an "I told you so".

 

[John 14:6]

How many multiple years-old posts are going to be resurrected this week? It is getting a little ridiculous...

Given the amount of hate that was spewed towards Thompson and others...bit of vindication I guess. Though, also interesting that Thompson is keeping it classy and won't even let out a peep of an "I told you so".

Yeah, I kept thinking during this Packer playoff run, "Weren't there a bunch of FBGs that hated Thompson and McCarthy?" I didn't realize it was THIS bad

 

[fatness]

How many multiple years-old posts are going to be resurrected this week? It is getting a little ridiculous...

I can't wait to see this post again in 2015.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Best posting in the thread.

 

[Mr.Pack]

The official o/u on the percentage of total posts in this thread by sho is 27%.

Close.... 23.6%

Let me guess, yours is around 30%?