Mizzou Prez Forced to Resign for....? (1 Viewer)

[Chadstroma]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

But again- didn't do enough is as vague as it comes. What was he suppose to do in what events?

Honestly, in the environment we live in these days which seems to go into hyperdrive if race is somehow connected (whether in reality it is or not does not seem to matter). I am not surprised that African-American student athletes did what they did and how do you not support them if you are a coach/teammate?

The guy lost the student body obviously (and a bunch of teachers) so what he did or did not do becomes irrelavent because he needs to step down at that point. But in a 'perfect' world- I would at least like to know what he should have done. Specifically. Not a vague "he did not do enough" to cost someone their job. This is pretty close to mob mentality which it seems to me is happening more and more and more in this country. Not just about race. Not just from liberals. Everyone is offended about everything these days and when that happens people want something for it- boycott, someones job, sue someone, etc.

 

[Hang 10]

He was supposed to create a safe space.

 

[Mark Davis]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

Sorry, let me re-phrase: it doesn't really matter if we think their criticisms are justified. They're the employees and students of the university and they are not happy with their experiences/working conditions and their employers' ineffectual response to it. In any other context this is a no-brainer: if your customers and employees both don't like you, you're done. Doesn't matter if his sin was bad decisionmaking or just bad communication.

And as far as going out on a ledge: you've declared it a "witch hunt" and a product of "the outrage factor that is the young left." Have you spent time on the campus to get a feel for whether their concerns are justified? Have you talked to a number of current students about these issues? If not, why do you feel qualified to pass judgment on their concerns?

I don't think there's any evidence a majority of said employers were unhappy with him, or even a quarter of them. If it hadn't been for the urgency of the football game and the financial repercussions on the University then this wouldn't have happened. The bottom line is it's the PC thing to do and combine it with football revenue and the guy had to take one for the team here. Down the road he's getting something out of this I would imagine as well.

 

[Sweet J]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

Umm

Missouri may be in the SEC but is not part of the south. I never saw anything even claim that he made racist remarks. The only "racist" incidents identified are ones that you would likely find at any University. And they were almost all either one drunk dude using the N word or someone posting racist graffiti.

What exactly is a University President supposed to "do" about these things? (BTW he did allow mandatory diversity and sensitivity training for all new students and existing staff, which certainly seems to be "doing something.")

There's a pretty extensive list of incidents at the school. There's a whole list of them in my link in post #2, and within that link there's more links to other accounts lists, like this one.

IMO it's pretty clear that we're not dealing with a typical experience like you'd find at "any university." I've spent seven years on campuses and another 20 living within a mile of at least one college campus and I hear about stuff like that happening once every couple of years, not once a week. But again it doesn't matter what you or I think from hundreds of miles away. We have no idea what's going on there or what it's like to be a black student or graduate student or any kind of student there. The people who do are pissed.

Jesus, people get fired for nonperformance ALL the time. Sometimes it sucks and it's not really your fault. But when you are the boss, even when it's not your fault, it's your fault. I'll never understand that low-level working class scrubs get crapped-on on a daily basis, and nobody boo-hoos about it, but a rich, privileged head of a major organization gets canned because the organization is in upheaval, and people want to whine about it being unfair.

Life isn't fair, whiners. And a rich boss getting canned when his organization is a mess is about the least unfair of the MANY unfair parts of life.

Jeeze Louise.

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

 

[Parrothead]

so what happens when the next president is another rich white guy?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

From what I've gathered, it's a whole constellation of things, and the recent racial issues were just the final straw. He apparently has poor relationships with faculty across the board, and the English department formally voted no-confidence in him. State legislators have called on him to resign. He hasn't done a good job with regards to fund-raising.

A stronger president who was performing well otherwise would have survived this. He wasn't and didn't.

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

When someone says "the south", do you think New Mexico?

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

When someone says "the south", do you think New Mexico?

If I was in Colorado I would.

 

[Ladsud]

Better get the gestapo down there and put all the students in an education camp pronto.

 

[pantagrapher]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

From what I've gathered, it's a whole constellation of things, and the recent racial issues were just the final straw. He apparently has poor relationships with faculty across the board, and the English department formally voted no-confidence in him. State legislators have called on him to resign. He hasn't done a good job with regards to fund-raising.

A stronger president who was performing well otherwise would have survived this. He wasn't and didn't.

Now it makes sense.

 

[Chadstroma]

Better get the gestapo down there and put all the students in an education camp pronto.

Can you just call the school campus a camp and be good to go?

 

[matttyl]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

When someone says "the south", do you think New Mexico?

If I was in Colorado I would.

What if you were in Alaska?

Also, http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

When someone says "the south", do you think New Mexico?

If I was in Colorado I would.

What if you were in Alaska?

Also, http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/

Why are you bringin Canada into this?

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

Sorry, let me re-phrase: it doesn't really matter if we think their criticisms are justified. They're the employees and students of the university and they are not happy with their experiences/working conditions and their employers' ineffectual response to it. In any other context this is a no-brainer: if your customers and employees both don't like you, you're done. Doesn't matter if his sin was bad decisionmaking or just bad communication.

And as far as going out on a ledge: you've declared it a "witch hunt" and a product of "the outrage factor that is the young left." Have you spent time on the campus to get a feel for whether their concerns are justified? Have you talked to a number of current students about these issues? If not, why do you feel qualified to pass judgment on their concerns?

I don't think there's any evidence a majority of said employers were unhappy with him, or even a quarter of them. If it hadn't been for the urgency of the football game and the financial repercussions on the University then this wouldn't have happened. The bottom line is it's the PC thing to do and combine it with football revenue and the guy had to take one for the team here. Down the road he's getting something out of this I would imagine as well.

You think 75%+ of university students, graduate students and professors were perfectly happy with the state of affairs on campus? Maybe so, but I don't think so- if they were the guy wouldn't be out of a job. I'm not saying the protesters make up the majority; I'm saying that people who thought things were not being run well and needed to get better make up the majority.

It's funny how the "anti-PC" crowd has been predictably the quickest to rush to judgment since they so frequently criticize others for doing the same. Bottom line, probably not one person here knows what it's like to be a student or faculty member on that campus, let alone a black student or a grad student who lost health coverage or whatever. Why is anyone pretending they know what's going on and can pass judgment on the legitimacy of their complaints? Because you read an article and watched some talking head prattle on about it for five minutes on a cable news channel?

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

Why are you discriminating against one of those states?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

Agree. I would add to your earlier statement about being west of the Mississippi that I could see Louisiana and possibly Arkansas being part of the south.

 

[Parrothead]

South Dakota is in the north

North Carolina is in the south

Hot dogs are sandwiches

 

[John Bender]

He was caught eating Nilla Wafers while grocery shopping.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

so what happens when the next president is another rich white guy?

I don't know, but he better do enough!!!1!

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

Agree. I would add to your earlier statement about being west of the Mississippi that I could see Louisiana and possibly Arkansas being part of the south.

Nope. They have been deemed too west.

Though apparently either Arizona or New Mexico have been deemed not too west to be the south.

Keep up.

 

[Mark Davis]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

Sorry, let me re-phrase: it doesn't really matter if we think their criticisms are justified. They're the employees and students of the university and they are not happy with their experiences/working conditions and their employers' ineffectual response to it. In any other context this is a no-brainer: if your customers and employees both don't like you, you're done. Doesn't matter if his sin was bad decisionmaking or just bad communication.

And as far as going out on a ledge: you've declared it a "witch hunt" and a product of "the outrage factor that is the young left." Have you spent time on the campus to get a feel for whether their concerns are justified? Have you talked to a number of current students about these issues? If not, why do you feel qualified to pass judgment on their concerns?

I don't think there's any evidence a majority of said employers were unhappy with him, or even a quarter of them. If it hadn't been for the urgency of the football game and the financial repercussions on the University then this wouldn't have happened. The bottom line is it's the PC thing to do and combine it with football revenue and the guy had to take one for the team here. Down the road he's getting something out of this I would imagine as well.

You think 75%+ of university students, graduate students and professors were perfectly happy with the state of affairs on campus? Maybe so, but I don't think so- if they were the guy wouldn't be out of a job. I'm not saying the protesters make up the majority; I'm saying that people who thought things were not being run well and needed to get better make up the majority.

It's funny how the "anti-PC" crowd has been predictably the quickest to rush to judgment since they so frequently criticize others for doing the same. Bottom line, probably not one person here knows what it's like to be a student or faculty member on that campus, let alone a black student or a grad student who lost health coverage or whatever. Why is anyone pretending they know what's going on and can pass judgment on the legitimacy of their complaints? Because you read an article and watched some talking head prattle on about it for five minutes on a cable news channel?

Honestly I don't know if half the students on campus would have had an opinion one way or the other. When I was in college the President was let go by the Board of Trustees for various reasons. I didn't really care one way or the other. It could have been worse than that. Someone alluded to faculty unrest and if there was more to his job performance than this one story then certainly that could play a role. But regardless, it's all about money and football in the South (and really at most power 5 universities these days). It would be extremely naive to think it was a coincidence he stepped down just when the next football game and the revenue associated with it was coming into jeopardy. If you doubt it, come let me take you through your choice of SEC campuses and we can go see where the coaches live and what kind of cars some of these athletes are driving around in.

I'm just gauging the amount of people unhappy from the size of the protests and press conferences. It was hardly a massive outpouring. Again, my bet is on that the majority of students there simply don't care about the President. I know I certainly wouldn't have in college. The media picked it up and this guy was toast as soon as that happened and paired up with the football situation. I'm still not sure what the guy could have done or did do that was such a horrible offense here that he needed to step down. If it's a laundry list of items then I get it. If it's only what's been talked about in the story, then I'm at a loss. Especially when those calling for his removal haven't really stated a specific course of action that he could have taken to correct this.

 

[timschochet]

Seriously. Where is Tim? I can't imagine him sticking to his own thread and not posting here. Not with all this injustice. Perhaps he's getting his hair cut at the black barbershop??

You missed me that much?

Honestly I don't know enough about this story to provide specific, intelligent comment. Ever since I saw the movie Rudy though, I've always wondered what would happen if players on a college football team behaved like a union and started making demands. But it was just random speculation.

Because of the racism charge, this story reminds me of that Friday Night Lights episode where the black players refuse to play in order to get a coach fired. Coach Taylor refuses, and calls their bluff.

But besides comparing it to movies and tv shows I've seen, couldn't tell you.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Sounds like they have a lot of racist students in that college and the President had to step down when he did not take action following complains.

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

Agree. I would add to your earlier statement about being west of the Mississippi that I could see Louisiana and possibly Arkansas being part of the south.

Nope. They have been deemed too west.Though apparently either Arizona or New Mexico have been deemed not too west to be the south.

Keep up.

Just stop.

 

[Clifford]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

Are you serious?

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

Agree. I would add to your earlier statement about being west of the Mississippi that I could see Louisiana and possibly Arkansas being part of the south.

Baton rouge is east of the Mississippi. They are definitely in the south. I'll give you Arkansas too.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

From what I've gathered, it's a whole constellation of things, and the recent racial issues were just the final straw. He apparently has poor relationships with faculty across the board, and the English department formally voted no-confidence in him. State legislators have called on him to resign. He hasn't done a good job with regards to fund-raising.

A stronger president who was performing well otherwise would have survived this. He wasn't and didn't.

That's a pretty good summary. One feces swastika smeared on a bathroom wall normally wouldn't get a college president ousted. But the racial tension on campus is the latest of a long string of missteps by this president across many different facets of his job.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Feces Swastika is the name of my Air Supply tribute band.

 

[Clifford]

If you guys ever need a guide:

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0194016.html

We let Kentucky in even though they sat out because of the whiskey and horses.

 

[phatdawg]

I don't know if anyone would notice if the football players at my alma mater would go on strike. :(

 

[roadkill1292]

I don't know if anyone would notice if the football players at my alma mater would go on strike. :(

Maybe your school keeps football in the right perspective.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

There's a lot of stories in college towns about how football and basketball players speaking out for social justice helped those areas hit the fast-forward button on integration and other civil rights issues, and that was before the revenue exploded in the revenue sports. Maybe what has transpired at Mizzou who show student/athletes at other schools just how much leverage they actually have.

 

[Ignoramus]

South Dakota is in the north

Not if you're in North Dakota, it isn't. Keep up.

 

[timschochet]

If the radio reports listing the student demands are accurate, the students sound like they're radically leftist and over the top. I need to learn more though.

 

[Clifford]

Yeah, except there wasn't a demand other than "fire the president" because he didn't "do enough" even though no one could even articulate the first thing he should have done, much less the amount to which this imagined course of action would have been "enough"

Former Mizzou backer calls out hypocrisy of players:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mizzou-football/former-mizzou-lb-boycott-players-ungrateful-lack-responsibility/

 

[Clifford]

If the radio reports listing the student demands are accurate, the students sound like they're radically leftist and over the top. I need to learn more though.

From the Legion of Black Collegians (not making this name up)

Here’s the list in its entirety:

1. We demand that University of Missouri System President, Tim Wolfe, writes a hand-written apology to Concerned Student 1-9-5-0 demonstrators and holds a press conference in the Mizzou Student Center reading the letter. In the letter and at the press conference, Tim Wolfe must acknowledge his white privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exits, and provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1-9-5-0 demands. We want Tim Wolfe to admits his gross negligence, allowing his driver to hit one of the demonstrators, consenting to the physical violence of bystanders, and lastly refusing to intervene when Columbia Police Department used excessive force with demonstrators.

2. We demand the immediate removal of Tim Wolfe as UM system president. After his removal, a new amendment to thd UM system policies must be established to have all future UM system president and Chancellor positions be selected by a collective of students, staff, and faculty of diverse backgrounds.

3. We demand that the University of Missouri meets the Legion of Black Collegians’ demands that were presented in the 1969 for the betterment of the black community.

4. We demand that the University of Missouri creates and enforces comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum throughout all campus departments and units, mandatory for all students, faculty, staff and administration. This curriculum must be vetted, maintained, and overseen by a board comprised of students, staff and faculty of color.

5. We demand that by the academic year 2017-18, the University of Missouri increases the percentage of black faculty and staff members campus-wide by 10 percent.

6. We demand that the University of Missouri composes a strategic 10-year plan on May, 1 2016 that will increase retention rates for marginalized students, sustain diversity curriculum and training, and promote a more safe and inclusive campus.

7. We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding and resources for the University of Missouri Counseling Center for the purpose of hiring additional mental health professionals, particularly those of color, boosting mental health outreach and programming across campus, increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility of the counseling center, and reducing lengthy wait times for prospective clients.

8. We demand that the University of Missouri increases funding, resources and personnel for the social justice centers on campus for the purpose of hiring additional professionals, particularly those of color, boosting outreach and programming across campus and increasing campus-wide awareness and visibility.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Feces Swastika is the name of my Air Supply tribute band.

 

[matttyl]

So some of the students stopped the President's car in the homecoming parade a month ago, requiring police involvement and a 15 stoppage of parade traffic?

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah, except there wasn't a demand other than "fire the president" because he didn't "do enough" even though no one could even articulate the first thing he should have done, much less the amount to which this imagined course of action would have been "enough"

Former Mizzou backer calls out hypocrisy of players:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mizzou-football/former-mizzou-lb-boycott-players-ungrateful-lack-responsibility/

He comes off like a real horse's ###.

 

[timschochet]

If the radio reports listing the student demands are accurate, the students sound like they're radically leftist and over the top. I need to learn more though.

First I have heard of articulated demands other than the "diversity training" which was immediately put in place. What were they?

A collective of students teachers and faculty select the next President, all teachers and faculty subject to "sensitivity training" , more black students by 2017, and the removal of the "patriarchal, white, homophobic, racist" thought that dominated the university.

 

[Clifford]

I find it very interesting that none of the demands cite anything the President did wrong, or the cessation of any activities or programs he initiated that they felt harmed them in some way. Basically he's being asked to step down because of his white privilege.

 

[jon_mx]

This is what happens when you allow the gays on your football team.

 

[timschochet]

Apparently another gripe they have is that the President was silent after the Ferguson shooting, and that by not publicly demanding the arrest of Michael Briwn's killer he proved himself racist.

 

[Daywalker]

Was odd from the start. TEAM decides not to play until change. Black players go off and tweet pic on their own. BS.

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

Being too west means you are not south?

Yes. Arizona and New Mexico are both further south than Virginia. Only one of those states is considered to be in the south.

It's seems strange that he doesn't seem to make the obvious distinction between "the south" and places that are south of other places.

Agree. I would add to your earlier statement about being west of the Mississippi that I could see Louisiana and possibly Arkansas being part of the south.

Nope. They have been deemed too west.Though apparently either Arizona or New Mexico have been deemed not too west to be the south.

Keep up.

Just stop.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah, except there wasn't a demand other than "fire the president" because he didn't "do enough" even though no one could even articulate the first thing he should have done, much less the amount to which this imagined course of action would have been "enough"

Former Mizzou backer calls out hypocrisy of players:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mizzou-football/former-mizzou-lb-boycott-players-ungrateful-lack-responsibility/

at both you and that dooshbag former player.

As for you, there was an 8 item list of demands. That fact, and the list itself, have been widely published. It took me five seconds to google it. Here you go. I'm sure you'll disagree with most of them; but maybe the fact that you didn't even know it existed (and in fact insisted that it didn't) should tell you something about how well you understand the situation?

As for the player- what a moron. Guys says playing football there is a privilege, one that others would be willing to take from the players if they were willing to give it up. News flash- that's exactly what they were willing to do. But of course, in a stunning turn of events nobody could have foreseen, the university decided not to seek out those many other players willing to take that privilege from them. Why? Because they're not as good at football as the current players, and if the school thinks it has a ####storm on its hands now imagine what would happen if they deliberately made their football team worse. The kids have leverage over the school and they exercised it. Happens all the time in all facets of life. Wonder what it is about this particular exercise of leverage that has people so up in arms. Hmmm.

 

[Clifford]

One viewpoint by a star student

As we were walking, we see four young Caucasian men, who looked as if they could be freshmen or sophomores, also walking along the trail and approaching us. They were all wearing white button­down dress shirts and neckties. Amber and I quickly noticed that they were intoxicated, as one of them was being held up by two of his friends. The fourth one was wearing a backwards baseball cap and was walking behind the other three.

As we began to grow closer in proximity to the group of young men, I noticed the most heavily intoxicated of the four was recording a Snapchat video. Seeing us walk by, he takes a look at both Amber and I. Then, he proceeded to look back towards his phone camera and said loudly "You're a ."

There was a silence among all six of us, as Amber and I stopped walking out of shock that the young man would boldly make such a statement. The young man that was walking behind them quickly slapped his friend's shoulder and said "Hey, you can't SAY that." Then turned to me (at this point, we were right in front of each other), said "He wasn't talking to you guys." and the entire group proceeded to walk off.

Amber and I stood there for a few moments afterward, in anger and disbelief that something like this could happen, especially in light of the protesting currently occurring on our campus. After discussing what to do next, Amber contacted MUPD, who told her they would patrol the area in search of the suspects and would contact her for further information. After settling down after the emotion of the situation, I made a follow up call with MUPD and was told the same information.

To be a student at an "elite" university and be disrespected in such a way is disappointing. To know that just a month ago, a similar event occurred in which the LBC Homecoming Royalty Court, of which I was selected as Royalty Duchess, were also called "s" is disheartening. And to have this event occur in the midst of the protesting and action being taken by #ConcernedStudent1950 , yet we are still questioned as to why we continue to fight against administration is absolutely insane.

What hurts me the most, however, is that no matter how much I fight to make this university better by involving myself in organizations, taking on leadership positions, and aspiring to becoming one of Mizzou's notable alumni, the fact that the university I love does not love me back is constantly thrown in my face. My experience is far too similar to the experiences of many other African­American students on this campus. Yet, Mizzou continues to overshadow these issues with well written PR statements, campus wide movements and initiatives that never tackle the issue head on, and endless emails that acknowledge our struggles but never give action to them. We walk around this campus knowing that on any given day, there will be another racial issue. We go to classes with our white peers knowing that not only will they never understand our struggles, but many of them will refuse to try. We go to a university where the only place many of us feel comfortable is in a Black Studies class. This is unacceptable, and the university has made very little progress towards changing the racial climate here.