Mizzou Prez Forced to Resign for....? (1 Viewer)

[Clifford]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Fell on his sword so they can play football next Saturday.

 

[HellToupee]

"Tom Wolfe must acknowledge his white male privilege "

 

[Foosball God]

I'm waiting for Tim to weigh in before deciding my both my level and the direction of my outrage.

 

[roadkill1292]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm waiting for Tim to weigh in before deciding my both my level and the direction of my outrage.

I don't think Tim Wolfe posts here.

 

[Bozo]

If only it would be that easy to get Obama to resign.

 

[TobiasFunke]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

Seriously. This was my favorite part of this whole saga. Its extra fun when the people who have enabled their outsize influence, like for example this dip####, are the ones whining the most about it.

 

[McGarnicle]

It's about time that no-good honkey ### cracker stepped down.

 

[jonessed]

Their demand were infeasible. I guess Wolfe took the high road, but he didn't really do anything wrong.

 

[Parrothead]

i'm sure everyone will go back to being happy now.. until the next demands..

 

[squistion]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

 

[Parrothead]

Fell on his sword so they can play football next Saturday.

now imagine if the team was any good..

 

[Da Guru]

McGarnicle, on 09 Nov 2015 - 1:43 PM, said:It's about time that no-good honkey ### cracker stepped down.

Just announced that Friday will be "Beat Whitey Day" on the Mizzu campus.

 

[CBusAlex]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

Didn't see it in the timeline, but I guess there is a video from sometime after the racial incidents of him telling a group of black students that racism doesn't exist, and if it did it's their fault for allowing themselves to be oppressed anyway. Which doesn't seem like the most artful way to handle things.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

 

[Zow]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

Seriously. This was my favorite part of this whole saga. Its extra fun when the people who have enabled their outsize influence, like for example this dip####, are the ones whining the most about it.

Are we supposed to know who this guy is?

 

[TobiasFunke]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

Seriously. This was my favorite part of this whole saga. Its extra fun when the people who have enabled their outsize influence, like for example this dip####, are the ones whining the most about it.

Are we supposed to know who this guy is?

If not I envy you.

He's a college football writer/talking head/###-stirrer for Fox Sports.

 

[TPW]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

 

[joffer]

 

[Peyton Marino]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

Seriously. This was my favorite part of this whole saga. Its extra fun when the people who have enabled their outsize influence, like for example this dip####, are the ones whining the most about it.

Are we supposed to know who this guy is?

I see this dude retweeted into my timeline on occasion. I've gone to his profile a few times to try to figure out who he is and I always leave even more confused.

 

[roadkill1292]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

Even more ironic is the way that American universities have built a giant financial machine on the backs of unpaid talent but now that their machine has become so popular, they are ever more vulnerable to the growing power and leverage of said talent. What if next time the football team threatens to boycott a game because the NCAA has declared the starting QB ineligible for selling autographs?

 

[roadkill1292]

To be a football player it seems that you have to be the type of guy comfortable with lots of authority over your life but if the players at the big time programs ever decide to exercise the leverage they have, they could probably win a lot of concessions that will take a lot longer to get by working their way through the court systems.

Seriously. This was my favorite part of this whole saga. Its extra fun when the people who have enabled their outsize influence, like for example this dip####, are the ones whining the most about it.

Dip#### is an appropriate term here and has my approval.

 

[Mr. Ected]

Heard that if the game this weekend had been called off, the Univ would have lost $1 million.

Also the team is 4-5; wonder if they would have been as public with their support if they were 9-0 and fighting for place in playoffs.

 

[Clifford]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Fell on his sword so they can play football next Saturday.

And now we all have to pay because Missouri football is still on TV somewhere.

 

[Chadstroma]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

Sorry, let me re-phrase: it doesn't really matter if we think their criticisms are justified. They're the employees and students of the university and they are not happy with their experiences/working conditions and their employers' ineffectual response to it. In any other context this is a no-brainer: if your customers and employees both don't like you, you're done. Doesn't matter if his sin was bad decisionmaking or just bad communication.

And as far as going out on a ledge: you've declared it a "witch hunt" and a product of "the outrage factor that is the young left." Have you spent time on the campus to get a feel for whether their concerns are justified? Have you talked to a number of current students about these issues? If not, why do you feel qualified to pass judgment on their concerns?

 

[HellToupee]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

Even more ironic is the way that American universities have built a giant financial machine on the backs of unpaid talent but now that their machine has become so popular, they are ever more vulnerable to the growing power and leverage of said talent. What if next time the football team threatens to boycott a game because the NCAA has declared the starting QB ineligible for selling autographs?

Last time I checked the Pratt Institute didn't have a football team

 

[boots11234]

Seriously. Where is Tim? I can't imagine him sticking to his own thread and not posting here. Not with all this injustice. Perhaps he's getting his hair cut at the black barbershop??

 

[roadkill1292]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

Even more ironic is the way that American universities have built a giant financial machine on the backs of unpaid talent but now that their machine has become so popular, they are ever more vulnerable to the growing power and leverage of said talent. What if next time the football team threatens to boycott a game because the NCAA has declared the starting QB ineligible for selling autographs?

Last time I checked the Pratt Institute didn't have a football team

wut

 

[GroveDiesel]

I just noticed this story and have not followed this saga from the beginning, but I just reviewed the timeline.

Can anyone tell me what this guy actually did to deserve all this crap?

http://www.themaneater.com/special-sections/mu-fall-2015/

All I can find from the timeline is they canceled health insurance for grad students and didn't give them enough notice. That was bad. The rest seems like he allowed students to protest...and that's really all I could get.

What am I missing?

Didn't see it in the timeline, but I guess there is a video from sometime after the racial incidents of him telling a group of black students that racism doesn't exist, and if it did it's their fault for allowing themselves to be oppressed anyway. Which doesn't seem like the most artful way to handle things.

I'm not saying this isn't true, but if he really said that, he's one of the dumbest people alive. But color me skeptical as this seems much more like someone's biased interpretation of something he said rather than exactly what he said.

 

[HellToupee]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

Even more ironic is the way that American universities have built a giant financial machine on the backs of unpaid talent but now that their machine has become so popular, they are ever more vulnerable to the growing power and leverage of said talent. What if next time the football team threatens to boycott a game because the NCAA has declared the starting QB ineligible for selling autographs?

Last time I checked the Pratt Institute didn't have a football team

wut

what about the students who dent live the life of a privileged football player? The college /university system is bending them over for 10-20 years of tuition payments

 

[Sweet J]

He can never go home again.

 

[Zow]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students. Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

He can never go home again.

snort

 

[Clifford]

This is a decent summary:

http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-at-the-university-of-missouri-all-your-1741447807

Can't believe there wasn't a thread about this already. Seems right up the FFA's alley.

There would have been if he had called a hot dog a sandwich.

It was amazing how long it took us to get to that one.

Seriously, this is gonna be a fun one. Can't want for the rush of people who are somehow suddenly experts in the culture and attitudes of university students in Columbia, Missouri. Bottom line, though, is it doesn't matter what uninformed decision any of us reach based on media reports. The guy was in charge of the university. A huge number of his employees and customers were unhappy with the job he was doing in that capacity and wanted him out. Doesn't really matter if their criticisms are justified or if it's just a case of poor communication and people skills. If it happened in any other context- a business, a government agency, whatever- nobody would bat an eye. The boss would be out.

A campus-wide witch hunt to oust a sitting President of the university and it doesn't matter if their criticisms are justified?

Man, not sure I want to be out on that ledge. Not going to make a slippery slope argument but I think every time the outrage factory that is the young left costs someone their job because of yelling louder than other people its a bad sign for us all.

Sorry, let me re-phrase: it doesn't really matter if we think their criticisms are justified. They're the employees and students of the university and they are not happy with their experiences/working conditions and their employers' ineffectual response to it. In any other context this is a no-brainer: if your customers and employees both don't like you, you're done. Doesn't matter if his sin was bad decisionmaking or just bad communication.

And as far as going out on a ledge: you've declared it a "witch hunt" and a product of "the outrage factor that is the young left." Have you spent time on the campus to get a feel for whether their concerns are justified? Have you talked to a number of current students about these issues? If not, why do you feel qualified to pass judgment on their concerns?

Just cause I've seen the world enough to know how it basically works. I'm comfy as hell on my ledge.

 

[Clifford]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

Umm

Missouri may be in the SEC but is not part of the south. I never saw anything even claim that he made racist remarks. The only "racist" incidents identified are ones that you would likely find at any University. And they were almost all either one drunk dude using the N word or someone posting racist graffiti.

What exactly is a University President supposed to "do" about these things? (BTW he did allow mandatory diversity and sensitivity training for all new students and existing staff, which certainly seems to be "doing something.")

 

[TPW]

University of Missouri Protesters Clash With Reporters, Declare ‘No Media Safe Space’

The University of Missouri student protesters who demanded the resignation of university president Tim Wolfe were surprisingly adversarial toward the press Monday, setting up a “no media safe space” for protesters and harassing reporters who were trying to take photos.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch‘s sports writer Benjamin Hochman tweeted out images of protesters linking arms to create the “safe space,” and also tweeted out a video of protesters clashing with a reporter who presumably infringed upon the safe space.

 

[Lupe]

M-I-Z

(in all seriousness my niece is a full scholarship athlete at Mizzou, and even her dad can't tell me whats going on. I was told the campus is 77% white, which seems really high).

 

[Zow]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

 

[Uwe Blab]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

Umm

Missouri may be in the SEC but is not part of the south. I never saw anything even claim that he made racist remarks. The only "racist" incidents identified are ones that you would likely find at any University. And they were almost all either one drunk dude using the N word or someone posting racist graffiti.

What exactly is a University President supposed to "do" about these things? (BTW he did allow mandatory diversity and sensitivity training for all new students and existing staff, which certainly seems to be "doing something.")

Well he condemned the incidents, but he didn't strongly condemn them. That and he didn't acknowledge his white, male privilege. A-1 jerk.

 

[pantagrapher]

Longtime board liberal here. I read up on this and I still don't understand why they wanted him out so bad.

 

[Tom Servo]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

 

[TobiasFunke]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

Umm

Missouri may be in the SEC but is not part of the south. I never saw anything even claim that he made racist remarks. The only "racist" incidents identified are ones that you would likely find at any University. And they were almost all either one drunk dude using the N word or someone posting racist graffiti.

What exactly is a University President supposed to "do" about these things? (BTW he did allow mandatory diversity and sensitivity training for all new students and existing staff, which certainly seems to be "doing something.")

There's a pretty extensive list of incidents at the school. There's a whole list of them in my link in post #2, and within that link there's more links to other accounts lists, like this one.

IMO it's pretty clear that we're not dealing with a typical experience like you'd find at "any university." I've spent seven years on campuses and another 20 living within a mile of at least one college campus and I hear about stuff like that happening once every couple of years, not once a week. But again it doesn't matter what you or I think from hundreds of miles away. We have no idea what's going on there or what it's like to be a black student or graduate student or any kind of student there. The people who do are pissed.

 

[Hang 10]

Wait, Missouri is not considered to be part of the south?

I don't think many would consider anything west of the Mississippi the south.

 

[roadkill1292]

The neo-Bolshevik leadership and faculty of America's universities fostered the environment which has spawned these kinds of militant, social justice warriors. Seeing them taken down by the monstrosities of their own creation is just desserts. Color me unsympathetic.

Related article

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

Even more ironic is the way that American universities have built a giant financial machine on the backs of unpaid talent but now that their machine has become so popular, they are ever more vulnerable to the growing power and leverage of said talent. What if next time the football team threatens to boycott a game because the NCAA has declared the starting QB ineligible for selling autographs?

Last time I checked the Pratt Institute didn't have a football team

wut

what about the students who dent live the life of a privileged football player? The college /university system is bending them over for 10-20 years of tuition payments

Relevance to the subject at hand?

 

[TPW]

I have read three different articles and watched a TV news report on it and I still have not the faintest idea of what he did or what he specifically was suppose to do. The only thing I have come

up with is that some feel he did not "do enough" when there were incidents on campus. Pretty darned vague to ask for someone to lose their job. On the other hand, once you lost the student

body I am not sure how he can do his job- does not really matter how he lost the student body.

I think the issue is more so what he didn't do: particularly, that he didn't do anything to address the southern charm being showered upon the black students.Frankly, the fact that it got an entire major conference football team to basically go on strike there must be something wrong here.

Umm

Missouri may be in the SEC but is not part of the south. I never saw anything even claim that he made racist remarks. The only "racist" incidents identified are ones that you would likely find at any University. And they were almost all either one drunk dude using the N word or someone posting racist graffiti.

What exactly is a University President supposed to "do" about these things? (BTW he did allow mandatory diversity and sensitivity training for all new students and existing staff, which certainly seems to be "doing something.")

There's a pretty extensive list of incidents at the school. There's a whole list of them in my link in post #2, and within that link there's more links to other accounts lists, like this one.

IMO it's pretty clear that we're not dealing with a typical experience like you'd find at "any university." I've spent seven years on campuses and another 20 living within a mile of at least one college campus and I hear about stuff like that happening once every couple of years, not once a week. But again it doesn't matter what you or I think from hundreds of miles away. We have no idea what's going on there or what it's like to be a black student or graduate student or any kind of student there. The people who do are pissed.

That explains a lot.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Longtime board liberal here. I read up on this and I still don't understand why they wanted him out so bad.

Yeah I still don't get this. People get raped walking home at universities. People get beat-up walking home at universities. But some girl had a racist slur yelled at her by some drunk kid while walking home and now the president of the university has to resign because he didn't personally hunt the kid down and give him the beating he deserved? What exactly is he supposed to do about that?