Mizzou Prez Forced to Resign for....? (1 Viewer)

[Don Quixote]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

I agree with your take on this, and I wanted to chime in with one other quick note. Le'ts all also keep in mind that we're talking about college students here. The 18-22 demographic is not generally known for its temperance, even-handedness, or sense of decorum. Even if the protesters are 100% justified in their complaints -- and I have no idea if they are -- it is a fact of life that some of them are going to take things too far. Young adults don't have a lot of experience with pushing the envelope here, so I think they're entitled to a little charity that we might not grant to somebody like a dean or president.

For example, consider the screaming freak-out girl from Yale. I think most of us can agree that no matter the line should have been drawn, she was way over on the wrong side of it. But the right response is for faculty members and hopefully other students to sit her down and explain that this isn't how people of good will handle disagreement, not any sort of disciplinary action or a social media vigilante squad.

My problem with this analysis is that when you read the list of 8 demands, those are not the words of young over emotional students who when confronted with a problem have reacted way over the top. They are IMO very clearly the words of a radicalized group immersed in extreme leftist ideology- you can tell that from the phrasing, which could have been copied verbatim from Herbert Marcuse or the Students for a Democratic Society.

Demands were leftist, but there were Republicans in the Missouri State Legislature calling for the President to resign too. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article43682574.html

 

[Doug B]

good timeline of events laid out day by day:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/racial-climate-at-mu-a-timeline-of-incidents-this-fall/article_0c96f986-84c6-11e5-a38f-2bd0aab0bf74.html

Too many of the "events" are racial slurs from strangers. Words, not actions. Words. Which can hurt. But how on earth is a university expected to police that?

It's amazing that none of these incidents were captured on cellphone or survailence cameras?

Any license plates on these vehicles?

One of the events on that timeline is especially artificial and egregious ... a set-up to elicit a known-in-advance outcome:

Evening of Nov. 6: Protesters confront Wolfe in Kansas City
Student protesters with the group Concerned Student 1950 from both MU and the University of Missouri Kansas City met Wolfe outside a fundraiser at the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts in Kansas City. One student released a video in which the UM System president responds to the question, "Tim Wolfe, what do you think systematic oppression is?"
Wolfe says, "It's — systematic oppression is because you don't believe that you have the equal opportunity for success — "
The crowd of students reacts negatively, and the chatter is mostly inaudible.
Someone in the crowd yells, "Did you just blame us for systematic oppression, Tim Wolfe? Did you just blame black students —" before the video cuts off.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The racial stuff was bad (and while he's not directly responsible for it, it's fair to wonder why that stuff doesn't happen with anywhere near that frequency elsewhere).

How do we know that? And what is "that stuff"? How many individual incidents are we talking about, and at what level of severity? And were those acts committed by townspeople, students, faculty, other college employees ... ? If "all of the above", in what percentages (e.g. is a lot of Mizzou staff behind blatant racism?)? It's all way too nebulous.

Wolfe had no culpability save for actions of the university's employees. Like you obliquely say, people often get fired for situations out of their control. Even so, it's fair IMHO to call shenanigans on individual cases. Don't really care that similar things happen elsewhere -- I can fairly criticize what went on at U of Missouri.

Fair points here. My parenthetical should have said "in my experience" or something like that.

As for his culpability, I don't know it. Obviously a lot of stuff was out of his control, but also obviously not all of it. He could have been more engaging with the community. He presumably had a hand in the health care policy shifts that appear to have first triggered the opposition. Who knows. Bottom line is that a school president losing his job because your students and faculty don't like you and think you aren't doing a good job is hardly unusual or out of line. Certainly you can take issue with some of the individual criticisms, but there were lots of them from lots of people, so I don't know how much that matters.

 

[Doug B]

My problem with this analysis is that when you read the list of 8 demands, those are not the words of young over emotional students who when confronted with a problem have reacted way over the top. They are IMO very clearly the words of a radicalized group immersed in extreme leftist ideology- you can tell that from the phrasing, which could have been copied verbatim from Herbert Marcuse or the Students for a Democratic Society.

Yes ... artifice. Whatever crisis cropped up was not organically "grown".

 

[Workhorse]

Really excellent article by Jonathan Chait about this topic: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/can-we-take-political-correctness-seriously-now.html#

That these activists have been able to prevail, even in the face of frequently harsh national publicity highlighting the blunt illiberalism of their methods, confirms that these incidents reflect something deeper than a series of one-off episodes. They are carrying out the ideals of a movement that regards the delegitimization of dissent as a first-order goal. People on the left need to stop evading the question of political correctness — by laughing it off as college goofs, or interrogating the motives of p.c. critics, or ignoring it — and make a decision on whether they agree with it.

As a liberal leaning moderate myself, this is what bothers me the most. This is not the "liberalism" that I grew up with and it's becoming a major problem on college campuses.

 

[Doug B]

I don't see that this has been covered yet -

The Mizzou police have sent an email to all students telling them to call the police if they hear anyone saying anything hurtful or hateful.

That's pretty ####### crazy.

I can only imagine the troll calls.

Great way to get back at someone who pissed you off, too. I don't believe for a minute that "false calls" will be investigated and turned back on the accuser. Maybe if the same person cries "wolf" 20 times in the same day or something and the campus police get to know that person's MO.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Why are the protesters forcing the media out? Shouldn't they want attention to their cause?

Because the truth is their entire protest, their demands, their greivances, none of it can actually stand the light of day. Why else would they be terrified of a student journalist from their own paper. The faculty supporting them know it, and the students protesting know it. They can't handle any questions that would actually make them cite specifics, as that would further expose them as the spoiled, thoughtless little fascists that they are.

Why else would they hide?

Yeah, it's not a good look. I saw that video about the student journalist this morning and it really is shameful.

The whole thing seems like some bizarre class experiment.

 

[Hang 10]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

I agree with your take on this, and I wanted to chime in with one other quick note. Le'ts all also keep in mind that we're talking about college students here. The 18-22 demographic is not generally known for its temperance, even-handedness, or sense of decorum. Even if the protesters are 100% justified in their complaints -- and I have no idea if they are -- it is a fact of life that some of them are going to take things too far. Young adults don't have a lot of experience with pushing the envelope here, so I think they're entitled to a little charity that we might not grant to somebody like a dean or president.

For example, consider the screaming freak-out girl from Yale. I think most of us can agree that no matter the line should have been drawn, she was way over on the wrong side of it. But the right response is for faculty members and hopefully other students to sit her down and explain that this isn't how people of good will handle disagreement, not any sort of disciplinary action or a social media vigilante squad.

My problem with this analysis is that when you read the list of 8 demands, those are not the words of young over emotional students who when confronted with a problem have reacted way over the top. They are IMO very clearly the words of a radicalized group immersed in extreme leftist ideology- you can tell that from the phrasing, which could have been copied verbatim from Herbert Marcuse or the Students for a Democratic Society.

I actually agree with Tim here.

 

[matttyl]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

Would you agree that based on what we DO know, the demand for Wolfe's resignation wasn't justified?

That's like asking whether I think demands for some soccer coach to resign are justified. I don't have the slightest idea. All I know is he lost the support of a large number of students and faculty, both due to the racial tensions discussed over and over and the health care stuff that apparently (?) triggered the opposition to his administration a while back. If that happens you're doing a bad job of communicating, at a minimum.

Is this true? How large is this number, when compared to the student population of ~35k, and I would assume a few thousand faculty and staff? Are we talking about ~50 disgruntled people? 100?

 

[Doug B]

What kind of severance package do you think the chancellor got? How will the students react when they hear how much this guy is getting paid to golf and drink wine?

Not Wolfe, but the chancellor, Loftin, just got shifted over to another position with the university (scroll to bottom):

MU Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin said he would leave his job to direct the development of research facilities.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

Especially given how they treat people on campus who are trying to ask questions.

I am wary of any "spontaneous" protest where they are wearing matching t shirts with fists on them.

 

[Loan Sharks]

good timeline of events laid out day by day:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/racial-climate-at-mu-a-timeline-of-incidents-this-fall/article_0c96f986-84c6-11e5-a38f-2bd0aab0bf74.html

Too many of the "events" are racial slurs from strangers. Words, not actions. Words. Which can hurt. But how on earth is a university expected to police that?

It's amazing that none of these incidents were captured on cellphone or survailence cameras?

Any license plates on these vehicles?

That is a good idea, we can track down that truck and arrest them for name calling.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

You have a bookmark where you replied to me weeks ago? That's kind of creepy to be honest. So in addition to be a first class pompous ### you're an online creep?

It was easy to find because of the "likes" of my post, which show up in my notifications. Took me like three clicks and maybe 15 seconds to pull it. Pretty cool feature- I'm happy to walk you through it if you like. Good job on the deflection and name-calling, though.

He called you a name? You should threaten to kill yourself until Joe Bryant steps down.

 

[Hang 10]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

You have a bookmark where you replied to me weeks ago? That's kind of creepy to be honest. So in addition to be a first class pompous ### you're an online creep?

It was easy to find because of the "likes" of my post, which show up in my notifications. Took me like three clicks and maybe 15 seconds to pull it. Pretty cool feature- I'm happy to walk you through it if you like. Good job on the deflection and name-calling, though.

He called you a name? You should threaten to kill yourself until Joe Bryant steps down.

Or call a Missouri police department.

 

[phatdawg]

What percent of black people could actually get into college if there weren't football teams, basketball teams, and affirmative action. 2% ???

I'll assume that you're either being sarcastic or this is a poor attempt at humor. If so, I think you failed in your intent. If not, this is an utterly offensive statement.

If your goal was fishing for reaction .. congrats.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

You have a bookmark where you replied to me weeks ago? That's kind of creepy to be honest. So in addition to be a first class pompous ### you're an online creep?

It was easy to find because of the "likes" of my post, which show up in my notifications. Took me like three clicks and maybe 15 seconds to pull it. Pretty cool feature- I'm happy to walk you through it if you like. Good job on the deflection and name-calling, though.

He called you a name? You should threaten to kill yourself until Joe Bryant steps down.

Or call a Missouri police department.

I'm fine, guys. Thanks for your concern.

 

[Clifford]

So TB keep claiming that a "significant number of students and faculty" had an issue with the President of the school (even though the total % of black students at the school was very small - less than 10% and one source said 3%), so he needed to go. If there is also a "significant number of FBG posters" who feel he's a "first class pompous ###" as RW put it, would the same be true of him?

To me no. TF is totally entitled to call me out for making assumptions and judgments which I am doing. I respect his opinion, he is usually on a more even keel about things where I am more prone to make judgments based on what is available.

 

[Clifford]

I don't see that this has been covered yet -

The Mizzou police have sent an email to all students telling them to call the police if they hear anyone saying anything hurtful or hateful.

That's pretty ####### crazy.

This gets to the heart of the matter. This is what "doing something" about racism on campus really looks like. Increasing black faculty and weak attempts at mind control through mandatory diversity training won't do ####. This is how you actually stamp out racism on a campus: by treating those who express hurtful or hateful views like criminals. And yes, that is 100% stamping out free speech in an institution of higher learning.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Todays kids...demanding respect instead of earning it.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So TB keep claiming that a "significant number of students and faculty" had an issue with the President of the school (even though the total % of black students at the school was very small - less than 10% and one source said 3%), so he needed to go. If there is also a "significant number of FBG posters" who feel he's a "first class pompous ###" as RW put it, would the same be true of him?

To me no. TF is totally entitled to call me out for making assumptions and judgments which I am doing. I respect his opinion, he is usually on a more even keel about things where I am more prone to make judgments based on what is available.

Appreciate it, my friend. I enjoy your passion- our back and forth is nothing personal, of course.

As for matttyl's question- I obviously didn't poll the students and faculty, I was basing my statement on the media coverage I've come across. I'm guilty of making assumptions there, too- maybe it's being misrepresented.

And as to whether it applies to me- there's an ignore feature on this board, and most people also possess the ability to just gloss over anything they don't want to read, too. Nobody who thinks I'm a first class pompous ### has to read anything I write. So not really apples to oranges there. If I was the administrator of the board, and people paid to post here, and a significant number of the posters hated me, that would be more analogous I think. You guys give me too much credit BTW; I may be a pompous ###, but there's nothing classy about me at all.

 

[Clifford]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

Would you agree that based on what we DO know, the demand for Wolfe's resignation wasn't justified?

That's like asking whether I think demands for some soccer coach to resign are justified. I don't have the slightest idea. All I know is he lost the support of a large number of students and faculty, both due to the racial tensions discussed over and over and the health care stuff that apparently (?) triggered the opposition to his administration a while back. If that happens you're doing a bad job of communicating, at a minimum.

Is this true? How large is this number, when compared to the student population of ~35k, and I would assume a few thousand faculty and staff? Are we talking about ~50 disgruntled people? 100?

Exactly, the one thing you claim to know you don't know. The English department voted no confidence. That was all I read about in terms of faculty calling for his ouster, and I'd imagine that was done under intense political pressure to fall in line.

I seriously doubt 50% of the students wanted him gone. I'd bet it's less than 10%.

 

[James Daulton]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

Would you agree that based on what we DO know, the demand for Wolfe's resignation wasn't justified?

That's like asking whether I think demands for some soccer coach to resign are justified. I don't have the slightest idea. All I know is he lost the support of a large number of students and faculty, both due to the racial tensions discussed over and over and the health care stuff that apparently (?) triggered the opposition to his administration a while back. If that happens you're doing a bad job of communicating, at a minimum.

Is this true? How large is this number, when compared to the student population of ~35k, and I would assume a few thousand faculty and staff? Are we talking about ~50 disgruntled people? 100?

Exactly, the one thing you claim to know you don't know. The English department voted no confidence. That was all I read about in terms of faculty calling for his ouster, and I'd imagine that was done under intense political pressure to fall in line.

I seriously doubt 50% of the students wanted him gone. I'd bet it's less than 10%.

Prior to this I'd bet < 50% could have named the President. Football coach, all of them, president not so much. One of the problems with our society.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

I agree with your take on this, and I wanted to chime in with one other quick note. Le'ts all also keep in mind that we're talking about college students here. The 18-22 demographic is not generally known for its temperance, even-handedness, or sense of decorum. Even if the protesters are 100% justified in their complaints -- and I have no idea if they are -- it is a fact of life that some of them are going to take things too far. Young adults don't have a lot of experience with pushing the envelope here, so I think they're entitled to a little charity that we might not grant to somebody like a dean or president.

For example, consider the screaming freak-out girl from Yale. I think most of us can agree that no matter the line should have been drawn, she was way over on the wrong side of it. But the right response is for faculty members and hopefully other students to sit her down and explain that this isn't how people of good will handle disagreement, not any sort of disciplinary action or a social media vigilante squad.

My problem with this analysis is that when you read the list of 8 demands, those are not the words of young over emotional students who when confronted with a problem have reacted way over the top. They are IMO very clearly the words of a radicalized group immersed in extreme leftist ideology- you can tell that from the phrasing, which could have been copied verbatim from Herbert Marcuse or the Students for a Democratic Society.

I actually agree with Tim here.

To be a little more clear, I'm not trying to defend the students. I agree with you and tim and pretty much everybody else that this list of demands ranges from the laughably unrealistic (e.g. increasing the proportion of black faculty -- you can't magically will black PhD-holders into existence, and guess what, they're not coming to Missouri because they're sitting on half a dozen offers from better schools in more attractive parts of the country) to the disturbing (the handwritten apology followed by resignation). I'm just saying that whereas I would judge a faculty member who signed off on something like that extremely harshly, I'm inclined to cut students a little more slack.

What really bothers me about this is the way that the faculty collectively aren't standing up for civil discourse. Again, maybe there are good reasons for this in Missouri, but I'm appalled that people haven't spoken out in defense of res-life guy at Yale.

 

[Clifford]

The faculty are actually physically intimidating, harassing, and threatening members of the media.

And now the little fascists have realized they kinda need the media so they are flipping their ban.

https://twitter.com/csalonikas/status/664130184275062785

These kids are the keystone cops of protest movements. The faculty enabling them are much, much worse because they should know better.

Folks, this might be the high-water mark of the PC movement right here.

 

[HellToupee]

It seemed like Michael Sams loved Mizzou

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

...When yesterday at Valle Giulia you andthe policemen were throwing blows,

I symphatized with the policemen!

Because policemen are sons of the poor,

they come from urban or rural outskirts.

[...]

They are twenty, your age, dear friends.

We agree, of course, to be against the police institution,

but try to fight against the Judges, and you'll see

what happens!

The young policemen you were hitting, [...]

are from a different social class.

At Valle Giulia, yesterday, there was a fragment

of class struggle: you, my friends, (although

in the right) were the rich,

and the policemen (although in the wrong)

were the poor...

http://www.swans.com/library/art14/xxx125.html

 

[Hang 10]

The faculty are actually physically intimidating, harassing, and threatening members of the media.

And now the little fascists have realized they kinda need the media so they are flipping their ban.

https://twitter.com/csalonikas/status/664130184275062785

These kids are the keystone cops of protest movements. The faculty enabling them are much, much worse because they should know better.

Folks, this might be the high-water mark of the PC movement right here.

"Hey, guys...I checked that first amendment thingy and the reporter was actually right!"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

I agree with your take on this, and I wanted to chime in with one other quick note. Le'ts all also keep in mind that we're talking about college students here. The 18-22 demographic is not generally known for its temperance, even-handedness, or sense of decorum. Even if the protesters are 100% justified in their complaints -- and I have no idea if they are -- it is a fact of life that some of them are going to take things too far. Young adults don't have a lot of experience with pushing the envelope here, so I think they're entitled to a little charity that we might not grant to somebody like a dean or president.

For example, consider the screaming freak-out girl from Yale. I think most of us can agree that no matter the line should have been drawn, she was way over on the wrong side of it. But the right response is for faculty members and hopefully other students to sit her down and explain that this isn't how people of good will handle disagreement, not any sort of disciplinary action or a social media vigilante squad.

My problem with this analysis is that when you read the list of 8 demands, those are not the words of young over emotional students who when confronted with a problem have reacted way over the top. They are IMO very clearly the words of a radicalized group immersed in extreme leftist ideology- you can tell that from the phrasing, which could have been copied verbatim from Herbert Marcuse or the Students for a Democratic Society.

Hello: ideology.

Thanks, Tim. It seems to be a language some have forgotten how to speak.

 

[matttyl]

Love Tobias' schtick where he knows everything about the protest but no one else can because they aren't on the campus.

I've said over and over again that I don't know more than anyone else and that I'm only taking issue with those who claim insight. and I haven't really defended the protesters or criticized them except to criticize their statements on and treatment of the media. But whatever. We can't all have the expert insight into the issues of the day that you displayed here, I guess.

Would you agree that based on what we DO know, the demand for Wolfe's resignation wasn't justified?

That's like asking whether I think demands for some soccer coach to resign are justified. I don't have the slightest idea. All I know is he lost the support of a large number of students and faculty, both due to the racial tensions discussed over and over and the health care stuff that apparently (?) triggered the opposition to his administration a while back. If that happens you're doing a bad job of communicating, at a minimum.

Is this true? How large is this number, when compared to the student population of ~35k, and I would assume a few thousand faculty and staff? Are we talking about ~50 disgruntled people? 100?

Exactly, the one thing you claim to know you don't know. The English department voted no confidence. That was all I read about in terms of faculty calling for his ouster, and I'd imagine that was done under intense political pressure to fall in line.

I seriously doubt 50% of the students wanted him gone. I'd bet it's less than 10%.

Prior to this I'd bet < 50% could have named the President. Football coach, all of them, president not so much. One of the problems with our society.

Was talking to a buddy of mine about this last night, who went to grad school in the SEC. His quote, "One thing that I learned in my year at UT was that in all but 2 schools in the SEC, the football coach is more powerful than the college President."

 

[pantagrapher]

I don't see that this has been covered yet -

The Mizzou police have sent an email to all students telling them to call the police if they hear anyone saying anything hurtful or hateful.

That's pretty ####### crazy.

I can only imagine the troll calls.

Saul Rosenberg is gonna have a field day.

 

[shady inc]

I don't see that this has been covered yet -

The Mizzou police have sent an email to all students telling them to call the police if they hear anyone saying anything hurtful or hateful.

That's pretty ####### crazy.

This gets to the heart of the matter. This is what "doing something" about racism on campus really looks like. Increasing black faculty and weak attempts at mind control through mandatory diversity training won't do ####. This is how you actually stamp out racism on a campus: by treating those who express hurtful or hateful views like criminals. And yes, that is 100% stamping out free speech in an institution of higher learning.

Fire the police chief for not sending out this email sooner

 

[squistion]

Todays kids...demanding respect instead of earning it.

Indeed, if they could only be like those kids in the 60s, who earned respect instead of protesting and demanding it.

 

[TPW]

Really excellent article by Jonathan Chait about this topic: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/can-we-take-political-correctness-seriously-now.html#

That these activists have been able to prevail, even in the face of frequently harsh national publicity highlighting the blunt illiberalism of their methods, confirms that these incidents reflect something deeper than a series of one-off episodes. They are carrying out the ideals of a movement that regards the delegitimization of dissent as a first-order goal. People on the left need to stop evading the question of political correctness — by laughing it off as college goofs, or interrogating the motives of p.c. critics, or ignoring it — and make a decision on whether they agree with it.

As a liberal leaning moderate myself, this is what bothers me the most. This is not the "liberalism" that I grew up with and it's becoming a major problem on college campuses.

Conservatives have been dealing with this kind of environment at universities for 50 years. Being shut out of conversation and generally shunned is par for the course for them.

It's only perceived as a threat now because the virtual leftist Dr. Frankenstein's on campus and in the media have seemingly lost control of their creation. The closest historical analogy of which I can think are the original Chinese Maoists being overthrown and jailed by youths during the Cultural Revolution for supposed lack of revolutionary fervor.

 

[Nugget]

Todays kids...demanding respect instead of earning it.

Indeed, if they could only be like those kids in the 60s, who earned respect instead of protesting and demanding it.

Vietnam seems like a pretty tough way to earn respect.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Todays kids...demanding respect instead of earning it.

Indeed, if they could only be like those kids in the 60s, who earned respect instead of protesting and demanding it.

Most of the kids these days are the sons and daughters of that 60s generation, time will tell if they sell out as much as their parents. Leave it to the baby boomers, it isn't bad enough all the damage their generation has caused, now they are unleashing their spawn on us.

 

[timschochet]

Really excellent article by Jonathan Chait about this topic: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/can-we-take-political-correctness-seriously-now.html#

That these activists have been able to prevail, even in the face of frequently harsh national publicity highlighting the blunt illiberalism of their methods, confirms that these incidents reflect something deeper than a series of one-off episodes. They are carrying out the ideals of a movement that regards the delegitimization of dissent as a first-order goal. People on the left need to stop evading the question of political correctness by laughing it off as college goofs, or interrogating the motives of p.c. critics, or ignoring it and make a decision on whether they agree with it.

As a liberal leaning moderate myself, this is what bothers me the most. This is not the "liberalism" that I grew up with and it's becoming a major problem on college campuses.

Conservatives have been dealing with this kind of environment at universities for 50 years. Being shut out of conversation and generally shunned is par for the course for them.

It's only perceived as a threat now because the virtual leftist Dr. Frankenstein's on campus and in the media have seemingly lost control of their creation. The closest historical analogy of which I can think are the original Chinese Maoists being overthrown and jailed by youths during the Cultural Revolution for supposed lack of revolutionary fervor.

We can always count on you to put things in their proper perspective.

 

[Clifford]

It occurred to me that these are the kids who started getting participation trophies...

 

[John Bender]

This is what happens with kids raised by parents who did nothing but try to make their childhood magical.

 

[dschuler]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

 

[Clifford]

Not surprised but who would be.

Sad to hear the media questioning whether they provide any value by covering this protest. Yes, you expose the fascist anti-liberal nature of the protesters and the protest itself. That is your value.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-

the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

Immaculate Defecation would be a solid FF team name

 

[shady inc]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

Defecate-gate?

 

[Hang 10]

I did nazi that coming.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

also failed to yield any evidence of the poopstika.

Outstanding.

 

[baloons]

Proof of systematic racism at Missouri college?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If poop swastikas are gonna produce this posts this funny, I'm all for them.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

If made up poop swastikas are gonna produce this posts this funny, I'm all for them.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

You know what is funny. When I heard about the poo stika. I thought that is was weird to have someone hating on blacks and then Jews at the same time. Most racists seem to be themed to me, apparently it is exhausting to hate everyone simultaneously. Quite frankly I was expecting a poo KKK or *igger and thought he swastika was an unrelated incident.

 

[parrot]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

“On Saturday, October 24th, at 2:00am an individual came into one of the restrooms in Gateway Hall and drew a swastika on the wall with their own feces,” Donley wrote in a letter several days after the alleged incident.

How could they possibly know whose feces it was.

 

[Hang 10]

Of all things to write with, I thought poop made no sense when I heard it. A permanent marker would have worked much better. Apparently, the story could have been made up.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/was-the-poop-swastika-incident-at-mizzou-a-giant-hoax/

“On Saturday, October 24th, at 2:00am an individual came into one of the restrooms in Gateway Hall and drew a swastika on the wall with their own feces,” Donley wrote in a letter several days after the alleged incident.

How could they possibly know whose feces it was.

They knew whoever said the #### didn't stink was guilty.