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Seriously going to try and sink my teeth into acquiring MJD this week.

I think I can get it done in several leagues. Patience is a virtue.

Especially if your teams are set up well enough to be patient on a player "coming around".
:teeth:One trade completed. Redraft.

DWard, DLee, JKasay -for- MJDrew and NFolk.

Neither RB is starting for me. I improved at kicker while he had a TE issue.
:thumbdown: Wow.
Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...
Top kickers from last year (assuming 12 team league):1 PK Gould,Robbie CHI 16 32 4 89% 47 0 100% 143.0

2 PK Kaeding,Nate SD 16 26 3 90% 58 0 100% 136.0

3 PK Wilkins,Jeff STL 16 32 5 86% 35 0 100% 131.0

4 PK Stover,Matt BAL 16 28 2 93% 37 0 100% 121.0

5 PK Scobee,Josh JAX 16 26 6 81% 41 0 100% 119.0

6 PK Hanson,Jason DET 16 29 4 88% 30 0 100% 117.0

7 PK Nedney,Joe SF 16 29 6 83% 29 0 100% 116.0

8 PK Rackers,Neil ARI 16 28 9 76% 32 0 100% 116.0

9 PK Elam,Jason DEN 16 27 2 93% 34 0 100% 115.0

10 PK Carney,John NO 16 23 2 92% 46 1 98% 115.0

11 PK Graham,Shayne CIN 16 25 5 83% 40 2 95% 115.0

Now, tell me, who can exactly predict who's going to be the top kicker? Could you predict Gould/Kaeding/Wilkins last year? After week 3?

Also, the difference between the best starting kicker and the worst? 28 points. Less than 2 points per game. Getting a top kicker does very little, even if you're extremely clairvoyant.
You wouldn't take less than a 2 point per game improvement? Not everyone can make one trade and double their teams' scoring. You improve your entire team by making a series of these types of trades. A few points here and a few points there start quickly making a significant difference. You don't give a hoot about kickers. We get it. Don't be so dismissive of other owners that do.Three weeks have been played. Should you wait until 12 weeks have been played before you start making any moves? There are always players that start off quickly then cool off but there are always players that start off quickly and keep up that pace throughout the season. To ridicule players that are doing things because it's only been three weeks is absurd.

Even before the injury, who would you have rather had for the rest of the season-SJax or FWP? Which rb would you rather have-Rudi or LaMont? Don't get stuck on where all these players were projected for.

 
Seriously going to try and sink my teeth into acquiring MJD this week.

I think I can get it done in several leagues. Patience is a virtue.

Especially if your teams are set up well enough to be patient on a player "coming around".
:teeth:One trade completed. Redraft.

DWard, DLee, JKasay -for- MJDrew and NFolk.

Neither RB is starting for me. I improved at kicker while he had a TE issue.
:lmao: Wow.
Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...
Top kickers from last year (assuming 12 team league):1 PK Gould,Robbie CHI 16 32 4 89% 47 0 100% 143.0

2 PK Kaeding,Nate SD 16 26 3 90% 58 0 100% 136.0

3 PK Wilkins,Jeff STL 16 32 5 86% 35 0 100% 131.0

4 PK Stover,Matt BAL 16 28 2 93% 37 0 100% 121.0

5 PK Scobee,Josh JAX 16 26 6 81% 41 0 100% 119.0

6 PK Hanson,Jason DET 16 29 4 88% 30 0 100% 117.0

7 PK Nedney,Joe SF 16 29 6 83% 29 0 100% 116.0

8 PK Rackers,Neil ARI 16 28 9 76% 32 0 100% 116.0

9 PK Elam,Jason DEN 16 27 2 93% 34 0 100% 115.0

10 PK Carney,John NO 16 23 2 92% 46 1 98% 115.0

11 PK Graham,Shayne CIN 16 25 5 83% 40 2 95% 115.0

Now, tell me, who can exactly predict who's going to be the top kicker? Could you predict Gould/Kaeding/Wilkins last year? After week 3?

Also, the difference between the best starting kicker and the worst? 28 points. Less than 2 points per game. Getting a top kicker does very little, even if you're extremely clairvoyant.
You wouldn't take less than a 2 point per game improvement? Not everyone can make one trade and double their teams' scoring. You improve your entire team by making a series of these types of trades. A few points here and a few points there start quickly making a significant difference. You don't give a hoot about kickers. We get it. Don't be so dismissive of other owners that do.Three weeks have been played. Should you wait until 12 weeks have been played before you start making any moves? There are always players that start off quickly then cool off but there are always players that start off quickly and keep up that pace throughout the season. To ridicule players that are doing things because it's only been three weeks is absurd.

Even before the injury, who would you have rather had for the rest of the season-SJax or FWP? Which rb would you rather have-Rudi or LaMont? Don't get stuck on where all these players were projected for.
:goodposting: :thumbup:
 
Seriously going to try and sink my teeth into acquiring MJD this week.

I think I can get it done in several leagues. Patience is a virtue.

Especially if your teams are set up well enough to be patient on a player "coming around".
:teeth:One trade completed. Redraft.

DWard, DLee, JKasay -for- MJDrew and NFolk.

Neither RB is starting for me. I improved at kicker while he had a TE issue.
:goodposting: Wow.
Not sure what's so funny there. Getting a top kicker is one of those little things that most owners scoff at. Points are points and if you can get them as mere throw ins then that's all the better...
Top kickers from last year (assuming 12 team league):1 PK Gould,Robbie CHI 16 32 4 89% 47 0 100% 143.0

2 PK Kaeding,Nate SD 16 26 3 90% 58 0 100% 136.0

3 PK Wilkins,Jeff STL 16 32 5 86% 35 0 100% 131.0

4 PK Stover,Matt BAL 16 28 2 93% 37 0 100% 121.0

5 PK Scobee,Josh JAX 16 26 6 81% 41 0 100% 119.0

6 PK Hanson,Jason DET 16 29 4 88% 30 0 100% 117.0

7 PK Nedney,Joe SF 16 29 6 83% 29 0 100% 116.0

8 PK Rackers,Neil ARI 16 28 9 76% 32 0 100% 116.0

9 PK Elam,Jason DEN 16 27 2 93% 34 0 100% 115.0

10 PK Carney,John NO 16 23 2 92% 46 1 98% 115.0

11 PK Graham,Shayne CIN 16 25 5 83% 40 2 95% 115.0

Now, tell me, who can exactly predict who's going to be the top kicker? Could you predict Gould/Kaeding/Wilkins last year? After week 3?

Also, the difference between the best starting kicker and the worst? 28 points. Less than 2 points per game. Getting a top kicker does very little, even if you're extremely clairvoyant.
You wouldn't take less than a 2 point per game improvement? Not everyone can make one trade and double their teams' scoring. You improve your entire team by making a series of these types of trades. A few points here and a few points there start quickly making a significant difference. You don't give a hoot about kickers. We get it. Don't be so dismissive of other owners that do.Three weeks have been played. Should you wait until 12 weeks have been played before you start making any moves? There are always players that start off quickly then cool off but there are always players that start off quickly and keep up that pace throughout the season. To ridicule players that are doing things because it's only been three weeks is absurd.
You're completely missing my point.I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.

I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.

Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.

 
You're completely missing my point.I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.
I didnt make a trade for a kicker. I just happend to improve at kicker while making a trade with reserve RBs. So you wouldnt switch out Rayner for Reed in the middle of an ongoing trade? And would laugh at someone doing so? :goodposting:
 
You're completely missing my point.I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.
I didnt make a trade for a kicker. I just happend to improve at kicker while making a trade with reserve RBs. So you wouldnt switch out Rayner for Reed in the middle of an ongoing trade? And would laugh at someone doing so? :shrug:
:strawman:I was laughing at the one line in your post. I couldn't care less about your trade.
 
You're completely missing my point.I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.
I didnt make a trade for a kicker. I just happend to improve at kicker while making a trade with reserve RBs. So you wouldnt switch out Rayner for Reed in the middle of an ongoing trade? And would laugh at someone doing so? :shrug:
:strawman:I was laughing at the one line in your post. I couldn't care less about your trade.
You laughed because I improved 2 points at kicker? You think the Carolina kicker will outcore the Dallas kicker. I completely disagree and my trade reflects that.
 
You're completely missing my point.

I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.

I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.

Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.
I didnt make a trade for a kicker. I just happend to improve at kicker while making a trade with reserve RBs. So you wouldnt switch out Rayner for Reed in the middle of an ongoing trade? And would laugh at someone doing so? :goodposting:
:strawman:I was laughing at the one line in your post. I couldn't care less about your trade.
Quit hijacking my thread, people. This is about MJD, not about kickers or general trades. :hot:

For those that think MJD will improve, why? Are you counting on an injury to Fred or is there something you've seen that says this guy isn't the Barlow of 2007?

I didn't drop him, although if I had the stones I might have for a few WW pickups who are now gone (Shaun McDonald, Wes Welker, even Derrick Mason). If I could work a trade where I give up MJD and 2nd tier WR for a strong RB and Welker-type WR (PPR format), I'd have to seriously consider it at this point. I just don't see a turn around coming after the BYE.

 
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You're completely missing my point.I'm "dismissing" kickers because they're highly volatile, and even if you get lucky and choose the right one somehow, you're only getting a 2 PPG improvement.I'm not ridiculing people for making Week 3 moves. I'm ridiculing people for doing so to trade for kickers.Nice straw man, though. Better than some of the efforts I've seen.
I didnt make a trade for a kicker. I just happend to improve at kicker while making a trade with reserve RBs. So you wouldnt switch out Rayner for Reed in the middle of an ongoing trade? And would laugh at someone doing so? :goodposting:
:strawman:I was laughing at the one line in your post. I couldn't care less about your trade.
You laughed because I improved 2 points at kicker? You think the Carolina kicker will outcore the Dallas kicker. I completely disagree and my trade reflects that.
:sigh:I said neither.At BEST, if you're awesomely clairvoyant, and you traded the worst kicker for the best, you improved by 2 PPG.And I never said anything about the second sentence. I don't know, and there's no way to know. Kickers are that unpredictable.
 
didnt fred taylor get injured this weekend?

yup

Player News

Jaguars RB Fred Taylor was injured late in the third period Sunday against Denver when Broncos DB Champ Bailey put a helmet on Taylor's knee. Taylor returned for a key run in the fourth quarter for a first down, but that was his final play of the day.

(Updated 09/24/2007).

Injury Report

Knee - Left Week 3 at Denver

(Updated - 9/24/07)

Fantasy Analysis

The Jaguars have a bye in Week 4, so Taylor should have time to get healthy for Week 5 against Kansas City. Continue to monitor his status and hope Taylor is OK.

(Updated 09/24/2007).

fwiw

 
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MJD *will* have some good games this year. But it's looking like they might be the exception and not the rule.
G Jones scored on a fullback up the gut. Not as a goal line heavy RB. MJD got a couple of opportunities inside the 10 AFTER the fumble.
And failed to convert. Greg Jones was successful - his role at the GL will only increase. It looks more and more like last year MJD just had everything lined up right for him, and his performance will not be repeated. He's had a lot of opportunity this season, that's not the problem, he's just done nothing with the opps.
Every knows you're an MJD hater.
So much so that I made several attempts to trade for him prior to this week :rolleyes:
Jones is the fullback. Teams use that plunge play on occasion to keep the defense honest. IF he starts lining up as the RB, MJD has an issue.
Right, because they'll never run that FB GL plunge again, so MJD has no worries....
MJD has been VERY successful as the goal line guy. It is tough to score on a run straight up the middle when the D line is 2-3 yards deep in the backfield-no matter who you are. The play-calling needs to improve(maybe the FB plunge gives other DC's something to plan for), maybe run a power sweep now and then, and the O-line needs to open a hole.
Problem is MJD has NOT been successful AT ALL at the goal line this year. Blame it on whatever you want, but the other RBs have gotten in, and MJD hasn't. The other RBs have run well behind the same OL, MJD hasn't. At what point do you admit it may just be the RBs fault?
On the fumble, MJD tried to get cute and it cost him. Lesson learned, I believe.
Learned by MJD, or the coach? At least the coach gave him opps after, so it looks good for MJD that the fumble won't cost him. I don't think he's a sell low candidate, but honestly, I don't think he's a buy low candidate either
Wow. Where to even start.You have been hating on him in every MJD thread I have seen. If you are propping him somewhere, I didn't see it. Trading for a buy-low is a shark move. Doesn't make you less of a hater, just a good FF owner.

Every team runs the FB plunge. It is not the main short yardage play for any team. It is a misdirection that works IF AND ONLY IF the blocking is solid. Otherwise, it is a 3 yard loss. If it was a great play, teams would run it repeatedly. Jones got in from the FB position on a misdirection play, not from the RB slot. Jax is having trouble with that, obviously.

MJD has been very successful HISTORICALLY at the goal line. What changed? The OC did, not MJD. You can't just run straight up the gut everytime at the goalline in the NFL. You need some blocking.

From week 1:

1-4-TEN 4 (5:17) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to TEN 4 for no gain.

2-4-TEN 4 (4:34) 9-D.Garrard pass incomplete short left to 18-M.Jones (31-C.Finnegan).

Timeout #2 by JAC at 04:28.

3-4-TEN 4 (4:28) 9-D.Garrard pass incomplete short middle to 89-M.Lewis.

No goalline work for Jax in week 2.

From Week 3:

Jacksonville Jaguars continues ...

1-2-DEN 2 (15:00) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to DEN 2 for no gain (63-A.Gordon).

2-2-DEN 2 (14:21) PENALTY on JAC-83-G.Estandia, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 2 - No Play.

2-7-DEN 7 (13:58) 32-M.Jones-Drew right tackle to DEN 3 for 4 yards (95-S.Adams).

3-3-DEN 3 (13:17) 9-D.Garrard pass short right to 11-R.Williams for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on DEN, Defensive 12 On-field, declined.

just before the half(Should have been an opportunity here):

1-9-DEN 9 (:27) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass incomplete short right to 11-R.Williams.

2-9-DEN 9 (:19) (Shotgun) 9-D.Garrard pass short middle to 32-M.Jones-Drew to DEN 1 for 8 yards (55-D.Williams). Penalty on DEN-79-M.Thomas, Defensive Offside, declined.

3-1-DEN 1 (:13) 9-D.Garrard spiked the ball to stop the clock.

Timeout #1 by DEN at 00:11.

4-1-DEN 1 (:11) 1-J.Carney 19 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-88-J.Zelenka, Holder-3-A.Podlesh.

later:

1-1-DEN 1 (7:01) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to DEN 2 for -1 yards (63-A.Gordon).

2-2-DEN 2 (6:21) 9-D.Garrard pass incomplete short middle to 87-G.Wrighster (41-K.Paymah). PENALTY on DEN-41-K.Paymah, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at DEN 2 - No Play.

1-1-DEN 1 (6:15) 32-M.Jones-Drew left tackle to DEN 2 for -1 yards (25-N.Ferguson). FUMBLES (25-N.Ferguson), RECOVERED by DEN-40-C.Cox at DEN 4. 40-C.Cox to DEN 4 for no gain (33-G.Jones; 9-D.Garrard).

MJD got cute here and it cost him.

After the gamble on 4th down:

1-4-DEN 4 (4:12) 32-M.Jones-Drew up the middle to DEN 1 for 3 yards (25-N.Ferguson). (Actually gained 3 up the gut against a defeated and exhausted defense.)

2-1-DEN 1 (3:39) PENALTY on JAC, Delay of Game, 4 yards, enforced at DEN 1 - No Play.

2-5-DEN 5 (3:38) 86-D.Northcutt left end to DEN 1 for 4 yards (58-N.Webster). (End around? What? Why not run what worked last year? )

3-1-DEN 1 (2:58) 9-D.Garrard left end to DEN 1 for no gain (32-D.Bly). (This is what could hurt MJD at the goal line as much as anything)

Timeout #1 by JAC at 02:13.

4-1-DEN 1 (2:13) 1-J.Carney 18 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-88-J.Zelenka, Holder-3-A.Podlesh.

So far, MJD has 5 carries inside the 5 yard line. All but one were up the middle. Not very creative. Then, the play calling goes completely the other way and they try a trick play with Northcutt. How about Greg Jones blocking correctly as the FB and open up a hole for the RB(MJD like last year's successful formula).

MJD has a nose for the endzone, but was stopped just short twice in week 3. His TD's will come.

 

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