Mocking - Chargers/Jets Trade make sense? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

I disagree with all of the trade down talk. I want Justice if he somehow falls (5% chance), but most likely I want Cromartie or Hill, whichever is available. OL value can be found later.

Cromartie or Hill will likely be there at #29. At worst they would still get one of the top CB's and like you said it's a crapshoot.

I'm not seeing any mocks were Cromartie or Hill are available at 29. I'm worried that they'll both be gone before 19.

Do you like them that much? I have major concerns with Cromartie, although I like his talent, and Hill seems to be ranked high because of his speed. I'd be just as happy with Joseph, Marshall or Youboty.

Gunz seems a little over-enthusiastic in regard to Cromartie but I agree that he'll be gone by #29. From everything I read he has all the markings of a boom-or-bust type player while Williams/Hill/Joseph are more sure things. SD needs their guy to come right in and start so I'd rather have Williams/Hill/Joseph then Cromartie despite the fact I'd concede Cromartie could end up being the best CB of the bunch. From all the sources I've looked at it seems like all four of those guys would be gone by pick #29.I think all four of those are better prospects than the next group of Marshall/Youbouty/Jennings, one of which should be available at #29 but I think the prospect of any of those players starting week #1 is much less likely than that first group. Keep in mind just about every team between pick #19 and #29 may take a CB.

Why do so many people say they aren't sold on Tye Hill? Everything I read heaps praises on the guy and he seems to be a perfect compliment to the big hitting physical Jammer.

He's only 5-9 and doesn't tackle well. I'm not sure he'd even start over Florence week 1. The position doesn't worry me as much as other people since I think Jammer is "getting it" and Florence is a decent #2 CB.

 

[cstu]

Daryn Colledge is the best "value" LT available and I'd love the Chargers to take him at #29 and use the #35 on the best available ILB or CB.

Disagree. Those who know more than myself on the subject say he's falling in the draft but even if he wasn't he's a sub-300# T from a smaller school. I'm not even sure he'll play T in the NFL, plenty of people are projecting him as a gaurd. I'd rather come out of the first round with a quality starting CB than G.

Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy - I haven't heard anything him being a guard. He has the ideal tools for LT - quick on his feet and able to handle speed rushers. His run blocking is adaquate but needs work and he also needs to add weight - a lot like the #1 LT in the draft. He needs to work on his techinique but I'd rather have a guy you can teach than a guy who lacks the physical skills for the position. If you compare the abilities of all the tackles in the draft, Ferguson, Justice and Colledge stand out and the ones most likely to be able to play LT. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospe...n_colledge.html

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...yncolledge.html

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=336&p=8&c=1&nid=1949904

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/colledge_daryn

 

[BoltBacker]

Daryn Colledge is the best "value" LT available and I'd love the Chargers to take him at #29 and use the #35 on the best available ILB or CB.

Disagree. Those who know more than myself on the subject say he's falling in the draft but even if he wasn't he's a sub-300# T from a smaller school. I'm not even sure he'll play T in the NFL, plenty of people are projecting him as a gaurd. I'd rather come out of the first round with a quality starting CB than G.

Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy - I haven't heard anything him being a guard.

No, I think we're talking about the same guy. I think both of us are just focusing on different things in his evaluations. From your link;"Colledge is a "Tweener." He is shorter and lighter than ideal for a tackle, but has the feet and athleticism that are ideal to protect the corner from speed rushers. His size is perfect for a guard, but he blocks up high and lacks the playing strength to handle defensive tackles. He has very bad technique (footwork, blocking position and hand use) and it causes his production to be much worse than his talent level."

I've also read that some have doubts as to how much his frame will be able to add in regards to weight. In this thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...c=237569&st=100

... Woods mentions he got overpowered at the Senior Bowl which bodes poorly for a player from Boise St that probably doesn't have a whole lot of season game film playing against top notch competition.

I do give you props for providing links though. I'm not saying he's awful, just that it seems he's more likely to be a backup OT or starting OG in the NFL based on what I've read including some of the links you've provided.

 

[cstu]

Daryn Colledge is the best "value" LT available and I'd love the Chargers to take him at #29 and use the #35 on the best available ILB or CB.

Disagree. Those who know more than myself on the subject say he's falling in the draft but even if he wasn't he's a sub-300# T from a smaller school. I'm not even sure he'll play T in the NFL, plenty of people are projecting him as a gaurd. I'd rather come out of the first round with a quality starting CB than G.

Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy - I haven't heard anything him being a guard.

No, I think we're talking about the same guy. I think both of us are just focusing on different things in his evaluations. From your link;"Colledge is a "Tweener." He is shorter and lighter than ideal for a tackle, but has the feet and athleticism that are ideal to protect the corner from speed rushers. His size is perfect for a guard, but he blocks up high and lacks the playing strength to handle defensive tackles. He has very bad technique (footwork, blocking position and hand use) and it causes his production to be much worse than his talent level."

I've also read that some have doubts as to how much his frame will be able to add in regards to weight. In this thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...c=237569&st=100

... Woods mentions he got overpowered at the Senior Bowl which bodes poorly for a player from Boise St that probably doesn't have a whole lot of season game film playing against top notch competition.

I do give you props for providing links though. I'm not saying he's awful, just that it seems he's more likely to be a backup OT or starting OG in the NFL based on what I've read including some of the links you've provided.

He went #47 to the Packers as the #3 OT.

 

[BoltBacker]

Daryn Colledge is the best "value" LT available and I'd love the Chargers to take him at #29 and use the #35 on the best available ILB or CB.

Disagree. Those who know more than myself on the subject say he's falling in the draft but even if he wasn't he's a sub-300# T from a smaller school. I'm not even sure he'll play T in the NFL, plenty of people are projecting him as a gaurd. I'd rather come out of the first round with a quality starting CB than G.

Are you sure you're thinking of the same guy - I haven't heard anything him being a guard.

No, I think we're talking about the same guy. I think both of us are just focusing on different things in his evaluations. From your link;"Colledge is a "Tweener." He is shorter and lighter than ideal for a tackle, but has the feet and athleticism that are ideal to protect the corner from speed rushers. His size is perfect for a guard, but he blocks up high and lacks the playing strength to handle defensive tackles. He has very bad technique (footwork, blocking position and hand use) and it causes his production to be much worse than his talent level."

I've also read that some have doubts as to how much his frame will be able to add in regards to weight. In this thread...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...c=237569&st=100

... Woods mentions he got overpowered at the Senior Bowl which bodes poorly for a player from Boise St that probably doesn't have a whole lot of season game film playing against top notch competition.

I do give you props for providing links though. I'm not saying he's awful, just that it seems he's more likely to be a backup OT or starting OG in the NFL based on what I've read including some of the links you've provided.

He went #47 to the Packers as the #3 OT.

Yeah, 29 would certainly have been a reach. I think GB is looking to play him at gaurd but we'll see.Marcus McNeal and Eric Winston still on the board at #50, but Hodge is also there. I'm hoping for one of the three.

 

[BoltBacker]

Yesssssssssssssssss. A REAL NFL OT; 6'8" 336.

 

[cstu]

Yesssssssssssssssss. A REAL NFL OT; 6'8" 336.

As long as his back holds up.