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Mohamed Massaquoi pulls a Hammy (1 Viewer)

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CBS Sports is reporting Massaquoi has pulled a hamstring and is questionable for Sunday. Hammies are tricky.

Is this a chance for Greg Little to step up, will the O lean on the TEs, will this take some air out of the ball and force the Browns to lean on Hillis, or is there another permutation?

I think this is a bump for the TEs, but it could result in Little taking a step forward.

If this is a repeat, I apologize, but I did not see this thread.

Thoughts? Browns are going to be behind alot this year. Could be something. . .

 
CBS Sports is reporting Massaquoi has pulled a hamstring and is questionable for Sunday. Hammies are tricky. Is this a chance for Greg Little to step up, will the O lean on the TEs, will this take some air out of the ball and force the Browns to lean on Hillis, or is there another permutation?I think this is a bump for the TEs, but it could result in Little taking a step forward.If this is a repeat, I apologize, but I did not see this thread.Thoughts? Browns are going to be behind alot this year. Could be something. . .
link please.
 
I'm not so sure this bumps any player on the Browns. Massa is basically their most experienced and best receiver and without him on the field opposing defenses can focus on Greg Little with their best cover corner and load up to stop the run. I see negative here even I would like to think positively about the situation. Maybe the tight ends get relied on more but not sure.

 
This is Little's chance to emerge as the #1 WR. I'm stashing him so this will be a good test of his fantasy value this season.

 
Evan Moore and Josh Cribbs are the first guys that come to mind. Maybe Robiskie and maybe even a super deep Carlton Mitchell. If he is out, starting Evan Moore with confidence.

 
Even though Little didn't do much last Sunday, this was pretty interesting:

Despite not starting, Greg Little led the Browns’ wide receivers with 57 snaps and 36 pass routes. Brian Robiskie (47 snaps) and Mohamed Massaquoi (41) weren’t too far behind. Utilityman Josh Cribbs was in on 26 plays, 17 of which were pass routes. Slot man Jordan Norwood was a non-factor, playing nine snaps.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/14/fantasy-the-snap-report-%E2%80%93-week-1-offense/

 
Even though Little didn't do much last Sunday, this was pretty interesting:

Despite not starting, Greg Little led the Browns’ wide receivers with 57 snaps and 36 pass routes. Brian Robiskie (47 snaps) and Mohamed Massaquoi (41) weren’t too far behind. Utilityman Josh Cribbs was in on 26 plays, 17 of which were pass routes. Slot man Jordan Norwood was a non-factor, playing nine snaps.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/14/fantasy-the-snap-report-%E2%80%93-week-1-offense/
great info, thanks
 
Evan Moore is really the only guy on the team with good value... this is the Browns we are talking about here. Did anyone actually watch that game? McCoy's first pass was deflected TO HIMSELF and he caught it for -5 yards. The rest of the day was filled with many more moments like that.

McCoy had about 3 good passes the whole game. I like the direction the Browns are moving, but this is not the year for fantasy production... outside of Hillis and Moore.

 
For all the Evan Moore love on this board, he only played 13 snaps last week according to the link above:

Despite all the hype surrounding Evan Moore, he played only 13 snaps in this one, 10 of which were pass routes. He was targeted on six of those 10 routes, but that 60% has a 0% chance of sustainability. Meanwhile, starting TE Ben Watson handled a skill position player-high 61 of the team’s 73 snaps and is a borderline TE1.
 
For all the Evan Moore love on this board, he only played 13 snaps last week according to the link above:

Despite all the hype surrounding Evan Moore, he played only 13 snaps in this one, 10 of which were pass routes. He was targeted on six of those 10 routes, but that 60% has a 0% chance of sustainability. Meanwhile, starting TE Ben Watson handled a skill position player-high 61 of the team's 73 snaps and is a borderline TE1.
Right but they bring him in on passing situations and in the red zone...it's what he does with the 13 snaps. He lines up at WR too, Cleveland has nothing at WR right now, nothing. Little has a small fan base here but people let dynasty cloud their redraft judgement.
 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...

 
in a related question, what happened to robiskie last week? i know he sucks but still. 3 targets?
No separation at all, Little will pass him on the depth charts in the next few weeks I believe. That doesn't make Little a great fantasy option, just means he might be good for something like 3/36 most weeks.
 
in a related question, what happened to robiskie last week? i know he sucks but still. 3 targets?
No separation at all, Little will pass him on the depth charts in the next few weeks I believe. That doesn't make Little a great fantasy option, just means he might be good for something like 3/36 most weeks.
i was hoping he could hold off massaquoi. i expected little would start but the other WR battle would be between mass/robi .
 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.

 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.
yet, he was still inserted into the starting offense so he must have some understanding. I'm not sure I follow your logic, especially since we don't know exactly how much he was limited. Either way, if he practices full tilt on Friday I'm sure he'll be fine
 
Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.

ETA: They intend to run the ball more in Indy. Although I don't foresee the target distibution to change, the number of throws should certainly decrease.

 
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Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.
Thanks for breaking this down. Little was dropped in both my leagues, after being drafted fairly high (12th round IIRC?). Obviously there was some hype around him a few weeks ago. He seems like value off the waiver wire, but reality is he's cut bait now. Is this your read on Little as well? (for redraft purposes only).
 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.
yet, he was still inserted into the starting offense so he must have some understanding. I'm not sure I follow your logic, especially since we don't know exactly how much he was limited. Either way, if he practices full tilt on Friday I'm sure he'll be fine
He retained his #1 position on the depth chart but was well behind Little- a rookie- on total # of plays he was in for.
 
Even though Little didn't do much last Sunday, this was pretty interesting:

Despite not starting, Greg Little led the Browns’ wide receivers with 57 snaps and 36 pass routes. Brian Robiskie (47 snaps) and Mohamed Massaquoi (41) weren’t too far behind. Utilityman Josh Cribbs was in on 26 plays, 17 of which were pass routes. Slot man Jordan Norwood was a non-factor, playing nine snaps.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/14/fantasy-the-snap-report-%E2%80%93-week-1-offense/
Extremely interesting facts. Thanks much for sharing!
 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.
yet, he was still inserted into the starting offense so he must have some understanding. I'm not sure I follow your logic, especially since we don't know exactly how much he was limited. Either way, if he practices full tilt on Friday I'm sure he'll be fine
He retained his #1 position on the depth chart but was well behind Little- a rookie- on total # of plays he was in for.
and he practiced fully today...are you still supporting the OP's premature reaction?Do you really think we should start a thread about everyone who is limited during Wed. practice and assume they are going to be out?

 
not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.
yet, he was still inserted into the starting offense so he must have some understanding. I'm not sure I follow your logic, especially since we don't know exactly how much he was limited. Either way, if he practices full tilt on Friday I'm sure he'll be fine
He retained his #1 position on the depth chart but was well behind Little- a rookie- on total # of plays he was in for.
and he practiced fully today...are you still supporting the OP's premature reaction?Do you really think we should start a thread about everyone who is limited during Wed. practice and assume they are going to be out?
What premature reaction? He posted a little information and asked if that was enough to bump other receivers. He posted that MM was questionable- never assumed that he would be out.

To answer your question- Yes, I want someone to post when a #1 WR- even one of the worst #1 WRs in the league- misses half a practice on Wednesday.

 
Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.
Thanks for breaking this down. Little was dropped in both my leagues, after being drafted fairly high (12th round IIRC?). Obviously there was some hype around him a few weeks ago. He seems like value off the waiver wire, but reality is he's cut bait now. Is this your read on Little as well? (for redraft purposes only).
Ideally he'd put up WR2 numbers by the end of the season. I don't think he will because the OL needs fixing and the offense is new. In redraft, you might still be able to trade him for something decent, but do it quick. In dynasty, he's undoubtedly worth a long-term look-and-see.
 
With everyone learning the new offense, I'm wondering who has more value (redraft) after the first few weeks...Mass or Little? The answer seems far from black-and-white.

And while neither will reach WR1 levels from a fantasy perspective (at least, probably not), I could see potential for one of them to be a midrange WR3 or even a low-end WR2 by the time Week 8 rolls around...but which one? :popcorn:

 
Came back to update that Massaquoi practiced today and was quoted as saying the Hammy was a non issue. I see I have been beaten to the punch.

What is with the haters regarding providing injury information? To the person asking whether I would want to know if a player misses practice with a hamstring, the answer is of course I would. What kind of information are you looking for from a football board? Seems that is the type of information that is on point.

 
Pay no attention to the people complaining. If they have such a problem with the post why come here to read it and post a reply? Haters!

 
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not sure why people are getting all fired up about Mo being "limited" for practice? If he was hurt bad, he wouldn't have done any work on Wednesday as many vets take the day off anyways...
Mass missed all of preseason with an injury and its the first year in a new offense. He is not totally up to speed and isn't in game shape so you can be damn sure he would be practicing fully if he could.
yet, he was still inserted into the starting offense so he must have some understanding. I'm not sure I follow your logic, especially since we don't know exactly how much he was limited. Either way, if he practices full tilt on Friday I'm sure he'll be fine
He retained his #1 position on the depth chart but was well behind Little- a rookie- on total # of plays he was in for.
and he practiced fully today...are you still supporting the OP's premature reaction?Do you really think we should start a thread about everyone who is limited during Wed. practice and assume they are going to be out?
What premature reaction? He posted a little information and asked if that was enough to bump other receivers. He posted that MM was questionable- never assumed that he would be out.

To answer your question- Yes, I want someone to post when a #1 WR- even one of the worst #1 WRs in the league- misses half a practice on Wednesday.
so now he's the WR1, but before Little was or he was in name only since he played less plays?he was never questionable, that was CBS making things up since the injury report doesn't come out until Friday.

I'd say that 90% of players that are 'limited' on Wednesday usually end up playing. Not sure why that makes me a hater.

 
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With everyone learning the new offense, I'm wondering who has more value (redraft) after the first few weeks...Mass or Little? The answer seems far from black-and-white.And while neither will reach WR1 levels from a fantasy perspective (at least, probably not), I could see potential for one of them to be a midrange WR3 or even a low-end WR2 by the time Week 8 rolls around...but which one? :popcorn:
I say Little. Mass is probably a better bet to put up bigger numbers this season. But Little's ceiling is way higher than Mass, and I would take the smaller chance of that ceiling over the very limited ceiling of Massaquoi
 
Even though Little didn't do much last Sunday, this was pretty interesting:

Despite not starting, Greg Little led the Browns’ wide receivers with 57 snaps and 36 pass routes. Brian Robiskie (47 snaps) and Mohamed Massaquoi (41) weren’t too far behind. Utilityman Josh Cribbs was in on 26 plays, 17 of which were pass routes. Slot man Jordan Norwood was a non-factor, playing nine snaps.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/14/fantasy-the-snap-report-%E2%80%93-week-1-offense/
Oh wow, that's very interesting. Are special teams snaps counted or are these just offensive snaps? Obviously he was definitely in for a minimum of 36 offensive snaps, the question is what the other 21 snaps consisted of, run blocking only or special teams as well? If those are all offensive snaps, it could really tell a good story for Little this year.
 
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another thing I have to add for the record, I'm not hating on the thread being started. It's the wording of the thread that implied that Mass was gonna miss time. Just clicked on that CBS link and even they said it was minor "The Browns haven't said anything yet about Massaquoi's latest injury, so that could mean it's nothing major"

So all the sources (even Rotoworld, KFFL, etc...) reflect the injury is minor since he was only limited in practice, but the OP got on here and started speculating that he was going to miss time, but the evidence never supported that conclusion...that's the type of thing I have an issue with

 
so now he's the WR1, but before Little was or he was in name only since he played less plays?
This whole argument stems from your reply that a vet missing half a practice isn't a big deal. My reply to that was to point out that Mass had missed significant time in a new system and the snaps count backs up the premise that the coaches want him to be a #1 this season but that he isn't ready for that full load due to his missed time.
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
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Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.
Thanks for breaking this down. Little was dropped in both my leagues, after being drafted fairly high (12th round IIRC?). Obviously there was some hype around him a few weeks ago. He seems like value off the waiver wire, but reality is he's cut bait now. Is this your read on Little as well? (for redraft purposes only).
Browns fans perspective.

First the Browns knew that what they were getting was a raw project. Little played 1 year of WR in the past 3 the other two spent at RB and being suspended. They got a top 5 physical talent at a discount because he isn't ready yet. Before the first preseason game the staff publicly said they would try to force targets to Little (IIRC he had 5 targets the first half of that first PS game with 2 of them being not particularly good choices but obvious "get it to Little" orders from the sideline) and now in their first regular season game he is in for the highest # of snaps. It appears that they will try to accelerate his development on the field as much as possible. The fact that they only have 1 other WR worth much will help keep him on the field.

Second this version of the WC offense wants to use deep outside pressure to open up the middle of the field. This works in 2 ways. A WR can go deep and that keeps the safeties back and helps open holes in the D- Little's decent speed and great size and leaping ability make him a good choice for this role. The second part is what to look for to see that he is developing. This is when CBs start playing off the WR and he starts running slants and hitches to take advantage of the automatic separation. The Browns desperately want Little to get the ball with his size and RAC potential 1 on 1 with a CB that he outweighs by 40 lbs+.

When you see the second part of the equation happening it hints that the Coaches are feeling confident enough in his ability to read the correct routes and he will become as much of the focal point of the offense as anyone besides Hillis. I think this will take more than a few weeks and I would just watch and wait until I see some evidence of this before snagging him.

 
I'm glad they lost to the Bengals, maybe it'll temper the Brown's expectations and make them realize wasting snaps on Robiskie won't do them any good this year. Might as well work on the future. There is one and ONLY one drawback of force feeding Little: he will lose some games for them by running wrong routes or making bad decisions that lead to turnovers or the offense leaving the field. But that's a part of the process. No reason to delay his development, the team clearly isn't a contender this year anyway.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
'daveR said:
Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.
Thanks for breaking this down. Little was dropped in both my leagues, after being drafted fairly high (12th round IIRC?). Obviously there was some hype around him a few weeks ago. He seems like value off the waiver wire, but reality is he's cut bait now. Is this your read on Little as well? (for redraft purposes only).
Browns fans perspective.

First the Browns knew that what they were getting was a raw project. Little played 1 year of WR in the past 3 the other two spent at RB and being suspended. They got a top 5 physical talent at a discount because he isn't ready yet. Before the first preseason game the staff publicly said they would try to force targets to Little (IIRC he had 5 targets the first half of that first PS game with 2 of them being not particularly good choices but obvious "get it to Little" orders from the sideline) and now in their first regular season game he is in for the highest # of snaps. It appears that they will try to accelerate his development on the field as much as possible. The fact that they only have 1 other WR worth much will help keep him on the field.

Second this version of the WC offense wants to use deep outside pressure to open up the middle of the field. This works in 2 ways. A WR can go deep and that keeps the safeties back and helps open holes in the D- Little's decent speed and great size and leaping ability make him a good choice for this role. The second part is what to look for to see that he is developing. This is when CBs start playing off the WR and he starts running slants and hitches to take advantage of the automatic separation. The Browns desperately want Little to get the ball with his size and RAC potential 1 on 1 with a CB that he outweighs by 40 lbs+.

When you see the second part of the equation happening it hints that the Coaches are feeling confident enough in his ability to read the correct routes and he will become as much of the focal point of the offense as anyone besides Hillis. I think this will take more than a few weeks and I would just watch and wait until I see some evidence of this before snagging him.
I see the same. All the elements are there for a mid-to-late season breakout. Has to happen.
 
so now he's the WR1, but before Little was or he was in name only since he played less plays?
This whole argument stems from your reply that a vet missing half a practice isn't a big deal. My reply to that was to point out that Mass had missed significant time in a new system and the snaps count backs up the premise that the coaches want him to be a #1 this season but that he isn't ready for that full load due to his missed time.
I'm not really arguing, just trying to gather some information and set a standard around here.is Mo going to start this week? are his reps going to be taken away like the OP suggested? That is what I meant when being limited on Wed isn't a big deal and it sure seems like he's going to start as planned and play his full slate of plays. Still confused on your reply that he would do everything in his power to get back to practice on Wed. I'm sure he did whatever he needed to do for the install, but just took it easy for some of the stuff that would have been tough on a slightly tweaked hammy
 
A question for Browns homers. I noticed a highlight in which Little just laid the lumber on a downfield block in which it also took out the ball carrier. If Little is blocking like that on a lot of his plays, could the be the reason for his amount of snaps...another 2nd level blocker for Hillis?

 
Let me pull this all together for you. Massaquoi is still the #1 Wr on the team. He always was and any depth chart that says otherwise was simply accounting for his injury. Evan Moore is a quality TE who they are lining up in different spots to make use of him. He will be used this way throughout the season. Ben Watson is very highly thought of by the coaches. Locally, the tight ends coach was on the radio suggesting he should be all-pro. Watson is TE #1 for now & the foreseeable future. Anybody who thinks Robiskie will be a top 50 fantasy WR needs to re-think his position. Nothing he does is exceptional. Josh Cribbs will get a couple targets a game, but he is better suited to run the wildcat than run routes. Little was drafted because he is ideally suited for the west coast offense due to his RAC ability. He is being assimilated and has a ways to go. Eventually he will be WR1 or WR2 for the next ten years.

The target distribution you saw in game one is likely to continue until Massaquoi is healthy, then he'll see more.
Thanks for breaking this down. Little was dropped in both my leagues, after being drafted fairly high (12th round IIRC?). Obviously there was some hype around him a few weeks ago. He seems like value off the waiver wire, but reality is he's cut bait now. Is this your read on Little as well? (for redraft purposes only).
THis is a lot like the NY GIants 2 years back. THey had Steve Smith and Dom. hixon then a rookie nobody knew a lot about in Hakeem Nicks and a dark horse in Manningham.a. Greg Little= Hakeem Nicks (The rawest bu best overall player who just needs time)

b. Evan Moore = Manningham (Sneaky good with great upside, but not consistent)

c.Ben Watson is just a decent vet who holds off Moore from full time numbers- but CLE uses 2 TE sets)

d. Robiskie = Hixon (not worth a fantasy roster now and likely not ever_

e. Massaqoui = S.Smith (A good not great player who has the most experience and does a lot of things well)

f. Carlton Mitchell - nobody but a deep prospect to watch but not react to

 

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