** Monday Night Football - Falcons at Eagles **(-5.5, 45.5) 8:15 (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

Whatever happened to Jalen Carter?

Doubled and tripled every play.

 

[GregR]

And why didn't they take the 15 on the kickoff

Was that an option?

I don't think so. I think I recall reading that penalties from the prior play are now always enforced on the Try, can't be deferred to the kickoff. Though probably would need to google it to confirm it.

 

[GreenNGold]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

No I'm not, there is a reason you never ever pass in that situation and we just saw why. Running it twice there is the easiest call ever.

There are times to be smart about being aggressive, then there is this. Either this or that 4th & short punt by the Raiders coach is the worst coaching decision we have seen in quite some time.

 

[Dez]

Can't wait for that doubleheader next week that plays at the same time

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

No I'm not, there is a reason you never ever pass in that situation and we just saw why. Running it twice there is the easiest call ever.

Yes, you are. Again, 99/100 times that pass play wins the game. Maybe 95/100 times a run there and giving cousins the ball back wins the game.

Sorry you're upset from your week 1 loss, but you're dead wrong here.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

That keeps Penix off the field like 4 more weeks minimum

Compared to week 1 cousins. I’d say he moved better this week than last, but I’ll give him credit on the last drive. Good decisions, and he had some velocity on the last few throws.

The pass rush from week one was relentless. Watts destroyed the Atl oline all game.

It was non existent tonight.

Philly doesn’t have a Watt. Nobody does.

um have you heard of max crosby?

 

[Dizzy]

Interesting stuff... so we have the ESPN Analytics graphic that backs up the Philly HC bad decision NOT to kick a FG right after he did it... and then we have a booth official and announcer team telling us a player DID NOT rip off his helmet and run down the field celebrating right after we all saw it.

OK

 

[zoonation]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

 

[GreenNGold]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

No I'm not, there is a reason you never ever pass in that situation and we just saw why. Running it twice there is the easiest call ever.

Yes, you are. Again, 99/100 times that pass play wins the game. Maybe 95/100 times a run there and giving cousins the ball back wins the game.

Sorry you're upset from your week 1 loss, but you're dead wrong here.

Your probabilities that you are just making up are very far off from being correct.

I'm not the one who is upset, I'm actually ecstatic, but everything I write here is without bias. You cannot admit your team is not as perfect as you think they are.

 

[encaitar]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

You're looking at it after the result though. Sure Barkley was wide open and if he catches it... 90% of the time he gets the first. However, it's still a bad play call. Why? Because there's zero guarantee that Barkley or any other wide receiver is open on that play. What if the LB is quicker and is all over Barkley? What if while trying to make a pass the ball is tipped and picked?

Eagles were averaging 8 yards a carry. They needed 4. If they get more than 2 they'd tush push it even if short. All while taking time off the clock. You can say that doesn't matter all you want, but it narrows Atlanta's play book a lot if there's 40 less seconds to work with.

It was a bad play call.

 

[Deamon]

Interesting stuff... so we have the ESPN Analytics graphic that backs up the Philly HC bad decision NOT to kick a FG right after he did it... and then we have a booth official and announcer team telling us a player DID NOT rip off his helmet and run down the field celebrating right after we all saw it.

OK

Did you watch the replay? Do you know the rule? Do you think the helmet started to come off at all before he touched it? Because that's not a penalty.

 

[fred_1_15301]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

 

[General Malaise]

Whatever happened to Jalen Carter?

Or Jordan Davis.

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

No I'm not, there is a reason you never ever pass in that situation and we just saw why. Running it twice there is the easiest call ever.

Yes, you are. Again, 99/100 times that pass play wins the game. Maybe 95/100 times a run there and giving cousins the ball back wins the game.

Sorry you're upset from your week 1 loss, but you're dead wrong here.

Your probabilities that you are just making up are very far off from being correct.

You're clearly wrong here and going only on the result. Many coaches have thrown in that situation, and praised for their big balls after the game. Not letting the other team have the ball.

They called an amazing play that caught the team off guard. And yes, if Saquon catches that they 100% win the game.

In your situation you'd give them the ball back with 1 minute left. They scored in 1 minute and 1 second.

Sometimes the right call with the wrong result happens.

Great call to try to not give Cousins the ball back when his defense is absolutely swiss cheese.

 

[Insein]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They took the game off the board. Early line was Eagles -2.5. guarantee it will be at least Saints -2.5 now.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They’ve seen a lot of Derek Carr so yeah probably

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

was completely stacked. There was 9 in the box and even both corners were pinching in to attack the run. Brilliant play call to catch everyone off guard and give them the most simple pass and catch to win the game, when they know their defense can't stop anyone.

 

[Deamon]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They took the game off the board. Early line was Eagles -2.5. guarantee it will be at least Saints -2.5 now.

Saint's should be favoured by 3.5 I would say.

 

[Insein]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They took the game off the board. Early line was Eagles -2.5. guarantee it will be at least Saints -2.5 now.

Saint's should be favoured by 3.5 I would say.

That would be my guess

 

[Dizzy]

Interesting stuff... so we have the ESPN Analytics graphic that backs up the Philly HC bad decision NOT to kick a FG right after he did it... and then we have a booth official and announcer team telling us a player DID NOT rip off his helmet and run down the field celebrating right after we all saw it.

OK

Did you watch the replay? Do you know the rule? Do you think the helmet started to come off at all before he touched it? Because that's not a penalty.

No. I saw him remove it with both hands... chin-strap still on... then he fumbled his helmet... pled his case... refs pick up the flag... and then he runs to the end zone, no helmet, celebrating with his goombah coach running behind him.

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

Pause this RIGHT before it hits 3 seconds. Barkley is going to be stuffed, and that play probably takes less time than the roll out and incompletion. So you likely get 1:01 for Atlanta to drive that field and score, and it took them 1:00.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They are. Derek Carr is not leading a team to a SB. Don't overthink this one.

 

[Deamon]

No. I saw him remove it with both hands..

x.com

twitter.com

Still believe that?

 

[travdogg]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

 

[Deamon]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

 

[travdogg]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Iso slant/fade to Smith who would surely be 1-1 in that scenario?

 

[zoonation]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They are. Derek Carr is not leading a team to a SB. Don't overthink this one.

I meant for next week.

 

[Runkle]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They took the game off the board. Early line was Eagles -2.5. guarantee it will be at least Saints -2.5 now.

Saint's should be favoured by 3.5 I would say.

Has the NFL ever had a line with a three-digit over/under? Because I think the Saints can hang 80 on this defense and Philly might be able to put up 20-30 on their own

 

[Deamon]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Iso slant/fade to Smith who would surely be 1-1 in that scenario?

Sure, but if he drops it then you get the same people in here saying how horrific it was to throw a pass to Smith instead of run it into a wall of 11 defenders.

 

[zoonation]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

They took the game off the board. Early line was Eagles -2.5. guarantee it will be at least Saints -2.5 now.

Saint's should be favoured by 3.5 I would say.

That would be my guess

If it is Saints -2.5 my wife better be prepared for the fact that we may not be going to Maui this winter.

 

[travdogg]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Iso slant/fade to Smith who would surely be 1-1 in that scenario?

Sure, but if he drops it then you get the same people in here saying how horrific it was to throw a pass to Smith instead of run it into a wall of 11 defenders.

Yeah, but if you don't kick the FG, the Falcons are starting at the 10 instead, and likely playing for the FG. Its tough, lots of variables. Ultimately, I don't think its the right thing to be upset about, that would be the joke of a prevent defense in that last minute.

ETA: I kinda feel bad for Hurts. People are already getting on his case for the INT, but he threw a perfect pass that should have won the game and played pretty well overall without his All-Pro WR.

 

[GregR]

Interesting stuff... so we have the ESPN Analytics graphic that backs up the Philly HC bad decision NOT to kick a FG right after he did it... and then we have a booth official and announcer team telling us a player DID NOT rip off his helmet and run down the field celebrating right after we all saw it.

OK

Did you watch the replay? Do you know the rule? Do you think the helmet started to come off at all before he touched it? Because that's not a penalty.

No. I saw him remove it with both hands... chin-strap still on... then he fumbled his helmet... pled his case... refs pick up the flag... and then he runs to the end zone, no helmet, celebrating with his goombah coach running behind him.

While I'd agree some of the views make it look like he grabbed it and removed it... that link that Deamon gave, the close up shot his chin is sticking way out the bottom when his hands are nowhere near the helmet yet. The chin strap would have been up around his mouth at that point.

 

[Pipes]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

You're looking at it after the result though. Sure Barkley was wide open and if he catches it... 90% of the time he gets the first. However, it's still a bad play call. Why? Because there's zero guarantee that Barkley or any other wide receiver is open on that play. What if the LB is quicker and is all over Barkley? What if while trying to make a pass the ball is tipped and picked?

Eagles were averaging 8 yards a carry. They needed 4. If they get more than 2 they'd tush push it even if short. All while taking time off the clock. You can say that doesn't matter all you want, but it narrows Atlanta's play book a lot if there's 40 less seconds to work with.

It was a bad play call.

If Barkley wasn’t open Hurts runs. Play call was fine it was horrible execution by Barkley

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Why not just do the tush push twice in a row, on 3rd and (if needed) 4th down? It was 3rd and 3. Two tushes in a row should be sufficient.

 

[Deamon]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Iso slant/fade to Smith who would surely be 1-1 in that scenario?

Sure, but if he drops it then you get the same people in here saying how horrific it was to throw a pass to Smith instead of run it into a wall of 11 defenders.

Yeah, but if you don't kick the FG, the Falcons are starting at the 10 instead, and likely playing for the FG. Its tough, lots of variables. Ultimately, I don't think its the right thing to be upset about, that would be the joke of a prevent defense in that last minute.

Almost wish we would have blown a time out after they got near mid field, just to get everyone on the same page, hyped up, and focused. I just can't believe how awful that defense was.

 

[Deamon]

Interesting stuff... so we have the ESPN Analytics graphic that backs up the Philly HC bad decision NOT to kick a FG right after he did it... and then we have a booth official and announcer team telling us a player DID NOT rip off his helmet and run down the field celebrating right after we all saw it.

OK

Did you watch the replay? Do you know the rule? Do you think the helmet started to come off at all before he touched it? Because that's not a penalty.

No. I saw him remove it with both hands... chin-strap still on... then he fumbled his helmet... pled his case... refs pick up the flag... and then he runs to the end zone, no helmet, celebrating with his goombah coach running behind him.

While I'd agree some of the views make it look like he grabbed it and removed it... that link that Deamon gave, the close up shot his chin is sticking way out the bottom when his hands are nowhere near the helmet yet. The chin strap would have been up around his mouth at that point.

And by rule, if it is even somewhat coming off like that, you can remove it. I agree I thought we got lucky on first look, but I think it was the right no call. Either way, he probably shouldn't have done that and risked it.

 

[travdogg]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring tom be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

I could see this. But then what do you call? You can't really run it at that point on 4th and 3. Again, look at this the second before this hits 0:03 into the video. He was about to run into a huge wall.

Why not just do the tush push twice in a row, on 3rd and (if needed) 4th down? It was 3rd and 3. Two tushes in a row should be sufficient.

That might not have been a bad idea. It would have had a higher success rate than handing to Barkley would have.

 

[Todem]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

I just don't get why they don't run it with Barkley there. There is so little risk, potential to still get a 1st down and worst case scenario you leave Cousins with less than a minute to get a TD.

Because Sirriani is one of those super aggressive coaches who wants to show everyone how smart he is rather than calling a run that might seal the game in a more boring way.

"might seal it", or throw a routine pass that 100% seals it.

I hate when people do this in sports and criticize the play only based on the result. If Barkley catches that, everyone is praising Nick for a perfect play call that ended the game instead of running it and giving ATL 1 minute to move it down the field and win the game.

Because a drop can happen and that stops the clock.

Terrible tactical decision.

You shorten the game at all costs there.

Ridiculous call in that situation.

 

[Deamon]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

I just don't get why they don't run it with Barkley there. There is so little risk, potential to still get a 1st down and worst case scenario you leave Cousins with less than a minute to get a TD.

Because Sirriani is one of those super aggressive coaches who wants to show everyone how smart he is rather than calling a run that might seal the game in a more boring way.

"might seal it", or throw a routine pass that 100% seals it.

I hate when people do this in sports and criticize the play only based on the result. If Barkley catches that, everyone is praising Nick for a perfect play call that ended the game instead of running it and giving ATL 1 minute to move it down the field and win the game.

Because a drop can happen and that stops the clock.

Terrible tactical decision.

You shorten the game at all costs there.

Ridiculous call in that situation.

and a fumble could happen on a run. Barkley was completely open and they hit that pass all the time. And if he wasn't open, he runs for the first.

Philly proved they couldn't stop atlanta from scoring a TD in a minute. Yet a rush vs a 8-10 man box (look at the replay, he was running into a wall), then a fg, still gives atl the ball with 1 min left. PLUS no time for Philly to take the lead with a fg later. Every single way you look at it, it was a very smart tactical call, a perfect play call, and a 1 in 100 drop by Barkley that would have iced the game for sure.

 

[Todem]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

No I'm not, there is a reason you never ever pass in that situation and we just saw why. Running it twice there is the easiest call ever.

Yes, you are. Again, 99/100 times that pass play wins the game. Maybe 95/100 times a run there and giving cousins the ball back wins the game.

Sorry you're upset from your week 1 loss, but you're dead wrong here.

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

I just don't get why they don't run it with Barkley there. There is so little risk, potential to still get a 1st down and worst case scenario you leave Cousins with less than a minute to get a TD.

Because Sirriani is one of those super aggressive coaches who wants to show everyone how smart he is rather than calling a run that might seal the game in a more boring way.

"might seal it", or throw a routine pass that 100% seals it.

I hate when people do this in sports and criticize the play only based on the result. If Barkley catches that, everyone is praising Nick for a perfect play call that ended the game instead of running it and giving ATL 1 minute to move it down the field and win the game.

Because a drop can happen and that stops the clock.

Terrible tactical decision.

You shorten the game at all costs there.

Ridiculous call in that situation.

and a fumble could happen on a run. Barkley was completely open and they hit that pass all the time. And if he wasn't open, he runs for the first.

Philly proved they couldn't stop atlanta from scoring a TD in a minute. Yet a rush vs a 8-10 man box (look at the replay, he was running into a wall), then a fg, still gives atl the ball with 1 min left. PLUS no time for Philly to take the lead with a fg later. Every single way you look at it, it was a very smart tactical call, a perfect play call, and a 1 in 100 drop by Barkley that would have iced the game for sure.

He should have caught it….but a fumble from Barkley knowing you protect the ball at all cost…double wrapped.

Look…Philly blew it. Bottom line. On the drop and then whatever the hell was that on defense.

This loss is the kind that can haunt them.

This capped off a wild whacky week 2.

 

[Dizzy]

No. I saw him remove it with both hands..

x.com

twitter.com

Still believe that?

YES. It's pretty clear there. His helmet bobbled, but CLEARLY he pulled it off.

Thank you for that.

 

[Deamon]

No. I saw him remove it with both hands..

x.com

twitter.com

Still believe that?

YES. It's pretty clear there. His helmet bobbled, but CLEARLY he pulled it off.

Thank you for that.

Yes, and that is legal if it's slipping like this, to remove it. Learn the rules.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I support the pass play to Barkley, but I do have another thought.

What if they just went for it on 4th down after the Barkley drop? You still have a 3-point lead if you fail, and if you succeed, the game is over.

Something Matt Ryan said stuck in my head about preferring to be down 6 than 3, because when you are down 3 you are stuck between being aggressive and conservative. Whereas being down 6 is TD or bust. Just a thought.

ETA: Same idea exists if you run on both 3rd and 4th down.

This, right here. They should’ve run it and not passed it. Then run it again on 4th down. Either you score or pin ATL deep in their own territory, with less than :30 on the clock, up by 3.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The MoP has an extreme bias tonight, sorry Igglz fans

No 1- if the Igglz lose MoP wins a Survivor contest of 20+ people inside of 2 weeks...The Bengals sunk over half of them Week 1 and the Ravens plus Lions did in everyone else this week
If Philly loses tonight I get it all...but I already said I would be willing to split the pot 50/50 so we can reload and re-start next week, we usually get in 2-3 full Survivors over the year
I've been lucky to win several times and i rarely take the same teams as everyone else, maybe that's the trick to it

No 2- I have Bijan Robinson and would like to see him do well, AJB is OUT for me everywhere

So don't listen to much I post tonight because it's mostly biased

And Survivor Winner!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Ozempic craze hasn’t hit Philadelphia yet apparently.

under-rated post.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I hope Vegas still thinks the Saints are pretenders.

Keep in mind that NO has only beaten two loser franchises so far.

 

[belljr]

You like that covers and wins outright

Hey I got one lol

 

[Ghost Rider]

That was maybe the worst defense I've ever seen in a 2-minute drill.

I think the pass call was fine, it didn't work out, but the game is 100% over if Barkley catches it. The game is not 100% over if they run it.

If we run it, they still probably score. And don't even get the ball back.

100% right call.

It took them 1:20 to score. They would have only had at most 1:00 left starting at the 30.

It took them 1:04 to score. From 1:39 to 0:35.

They basically would have snapped the ball with 0:01 or 0:00 left on the clock on that TD pass they made. Or also would have maybe used a better play call on their 2nd down play.

We lose that game regardless if we run or pass. But passing, gave us 100% chance to win if he makes an extremely routine catch. And also gets us the ball back with a chance to win if he drops it.

In zero way was that playcall bad.

It was an absolutely terrible playcall that cost Philly the game. Running could have gotten them the first down, or even a 4th and short where they could choose to go for it and get the first down, or pin ATL deep in their territory, and either way, even if they got stuffed and kick the FG, the ATL drive would not have played out exactly the same way.

Philly coach belongs in the bad coaching thread.

Wrong. You're judging it purely by the result. If he caught that, it would be called an extremely smart play call by analysts everywhere. The box was stacked, they caught atl off guard and it was right on the money. You play out that scenario 100 times and Philly wins it 99 times. You play out a rush 100 times, and give ATL the ball back with 1 minute to win the game, and I'm sure 2/100 times Atlanta would win. Especially with that defense. Perfect play call.

Ok my point was that they’re better off just running it with Barkley there. But I didn’t realize box was stacked. If that’s the case, I can see your point.

Pause this RIGHT before it hits 3 seconds. Barkley is going to be stuffed, and that play probably takes less time than the roll out and incompletion. So you likely get 1:01 for Atlanta to drive that field and score, and it took them 1:00.

You keep harping on this, but I will say it again: play calls on both offense and defense will be different when a team has over a minute and half and no timeouts vs less than a minute and no timeouts. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand football, and there is nothing I or anyone can say to make you believe it.

 

[ChicoCat]

Great game.... terrible, yes....but great.

 

[need2know]

saints are gonna kill the eagles