**Monday Night Football - Vikings at Bears**(+1.5, 43.5) 8:15 (2 Viewers)

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

This kid is too talented to not be good.

but is he? Maybe he is but its also easy to blame coaching or OL. This could also just be an adjustment period but one has to wonder if he's just not as good as he was hyped up to be.

possibility that he might not be as good as we were told he was.

Bears are a joke of an organization. Caleb Williams is a disgrace.

THe whole world was in on Williams...sometimes the whole world is wrong but its revisionist BS to then blame the organization, instead fee bad for them

not me!

BP has receipts

 

[Dez]

Crazy I just noticed I won an all play league in RTS by 0.05 pts (top 6 teams get a win in week 1) and I had the Minnesota D which got 2 pts when Chicago tried pitchy pitchy woo woo to end the game and fumbled.

 

[Chaka]

Why not just kick the kickoff out of bounds there? The clock stoppage is more important than the yards.

I'm pretty sure it's because Santos isn't a very good kicker.

There is no way Ben Johnson didn't tell him to kick it out of bounds. Zero chance.

Then again, Johnson did make that challenge on the Hockenson non fumble so, maybe he's not the genius we think he is.

To be fair, watching that replay I thought Sewell knocked the ball out before touching Hock. I didn't know the ball apparently counts as part of the body when they are on the ground. Of course no one is paying me to know that information.

 

[SoBeDad]

99.22 going against Oduze and Moore on that last play. (1/2 ppr). ESPN has opponent at 99.76. Not accounting fumble on Moore. Not sure what will happen

In CBSSports, the fumble already counts against my opponent's score, -2 in my league.

 

[SoBeDad]

There is no way Ben Johnson didn't tell him to kick it out of bounds. Zero chance.

>>Bears head coach Ben Johnson said the intent was for the kickoff to go out of the end zone after the TD to make it 27-24. He estimated a three-and-out would’ve given them 56 seconds, but they lost the two-minute warning and got it back with 9 seconds left.<<

https://x.com/kfishbain/status/1965265084412035305

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Went to bed at the half and McCarthy became a real QB and the bears still suck? That seems about right.

Watching JJ in college (Go Blue) he's definitely got that "it" factor. He's not going to get rattled no matter how bad things look. Hate to see him on a division rival in the NFL, but he's hard not to root for, just a little.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Just like they drew it up

I hope that won someone a game with Odunze in a ppr league

My opponent had Odunze and that play resulted in our match being a tie. 128.42 to 128.42.

 

[massraider]

Both these teams must be optimistic about their QB position moving forward

 

[OnTheReg]

Both these teams must be optimistic about their QB position moving forward

Caleb started 10-10 with a great script that they had clearly rehearsed for a while, after that he was 11-25 to finish 21-35. We'll see which version they get more of going forward.

 

[BladeRunner]

Both these teams must be optimistic about their QB position moving forward

Caleb started 10-10 with a great script that they had clearly rehearsed for a while, after that he was 11-25 to finish 21-35. We'll see which version they get more of going forward.

Yeah, I'm not feeling it with Williams. Feels like another BUST in Chicago. As a Packers fan, I couldn't be happier.

I was sour on McCarthy early on in this thread, but he turned it around enough in this game for me to gain some optimism. As a Packers fan, this makes me sad.

 

[Da Guru]

Thought Ben should have took the 3 points to go up 10-3 instead of going for it and failing in the first half.

Williams did had Moore open but threw a bad pass to turn it over to Vikings.

 

[efactor]

Just like they drew it up

I hope that won someone a game with Odunze in a ppr league

Guy in our 16 teamer won by .3. He had Odunze AND Caleb

Got to love FF

 

[massraider]

Caleb started 10-10 with a great script that they had clearly rehearsed for a while, after that he was 11-25 to finish 21-35. We'll see which version they get more of going forward.

Every QB in the league has good and bad splits.

What I saw was two promising dudes with arms and mobility. I thought they both looked great for first game of the year, and going against good defenses.

 

[OnTheReg]

Caleb started 10-10 with a great script that they had clearly rehearsed for a while, after that he was 11-25 to finish 21-35. We'll see which version they get more of going forward.

Every QB in the league has good and bad splits.

What I saw was two promising dudes with arms and mobility. I thought they both looked great for first game of the year, and going against good defenses.

I think calling Caleb's performance 'great' when he missed several throws he should have made is incorrect, but to each his own.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's not going to get rattled no matter how bad things look.

It seemed like the pick-6 made him better. Like a lot better.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Both these teams must be optimistic about their QB position moving forward

Caleb started 10-10 with a great script that they had clearly rehearsed for a while, after that he was 11-25 to finish 21-35. We'll see which version they get more of going forward.

Yes. The performance once off the scripted plays was dramatic. As was the accuracy variance.

Small sample size but interesting.

And to be fair. that's a top defensive coordinator.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

He's not going to get rattled no matter how bad things look.

It seemed like the pick-6 made him better. Like a lot better.

I think he's everything you want in a QB between the ears and he's pretty athletic. He never really had to carry the team at Michigan, but always seemed to show up when he was needed. If he shows the ability to throw the ball at the nfl level he can be a good one.

I think it was the 22 season where they looked mediocre at times in the first halves of games and then flip the switch and dominate the second half. Still has a little of that in him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He's not going to get rattled no matter how bad things look.

It seemed like the pick-6 made him better. Like a lot better.

I think he's everything you want in a QB between the ears and he's pretty athletic. He never really had to carry the team at Michigan, but always seemed to show up when he was needed. If he shows the ability to throw the ball at the nfl level he can be a good one.

I think it was the 22 season where they looked mediocre at times in the first halves of games and then flip the switch and dominate the second half. Still has a little of that in him.

When I traded for him, I thought he had some wheels, but I didn’t put enough respect on that. The RuTD was gutsy, took contact, and stayed tough into the EZ.

Maybe the best play of the game from him. He had some nice zip on his passes too. The ball at the end of the 1st to get 3 was a rocket and thrown on a dime. The uncharacteristic JJ drop was probably his 2nd best throw of the game.

A lot to be excited about for FF managers. My 16 team SF squad was co-captained by Herbert+JJM. They combined for 67

 

[massraider]

I think calling Caleb's performance 'great' when he missed several throws he should have made is incorrect, but to each his own.

I didn't call it great. Why misrepresent what I said?

I thought they both looked great, within context. I thought they both looked promising. Both QBs scored more points than Stafford and Stroud did while facing weaker defenses yesterday, so I am just trying to see the forest for the trees here.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I thought they both looked great for first game of the year, and going against good defenses.

I don't think I see it the same. I didn't think both looked great for first game of the year. I thought Williams looked good early but held the ball way too long and had accuracy issues later. I thought McCarthy looked awful early and then great in the 4th quarter.

I'd say both overall looked good for the first game. And against good defenses.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I thought they both looked great for first game of the year, and going against good defenses.

I don't think I see it the same. I didn't think both looked great for first game of the year. I thought Williams looked good early but held the ball way too long and had accuracy issues later. I thought McCarthy looked awful early and then great in the 4th quarter.

I'd say both overall looked good for the first game. And against good defenses.

They had a side by side stats comparison on Cowherd this afternoon, Caleb's are exactly the same stats he avg last year and they had a better stat on top of this.
The NFL has a stat that can reveal the number of times the QB did not throw the football right for the open WR or intended target who was open and the pass was errant
I have no idea how this thing is calculated, all I know is Caleb Williams finished dead last over the weekend and was something like -13% off in potential completions that he should have made
2:30 minutes to go, DJ Moore left side of the field was left wide open, DB just let him go, that's a lay up and he missed him by 10 yards
He missed an open Cole Kmet middle of the field somewhere in that game, terrible throw

Yeah he had that nice scramble to the right and hit Odunze along the sidelines, he can scramble but he mostly was below average.
The Head Coach Ben Johnson on the other hand was scheming out of his mind. Open WRs all over the place, RBs sometimes missed the holes that were there, that's mostly Swift who was alright but they certainly could use an upgrade there. Johnson looks like a really good coach to me.

After the Santos miss on the drive where the Bears defense got Caleb set up on a short field, not only does he do little but then Santos pushes it wide right
That's not really Johnson's fault. It should have been 24-6 or 20-6 at the least, instead the momentum shifts.
Caleb Williams is looking like an early nominee as a coach killer. I hope the Bears' FO is taking notice of how well Johnson looks vs the players on the field.

 

[massraider]

I'd say both overall looked good for the first game. And against good defenses.

Then I think we see it the same.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Aaron Jones on McCarthy in huddle.

https://x.com/TPPSkol/status/1965375653236346884

 

[OnTheReg]

I think calling Caleb's performance 'great' when he missed several throws he should have made is incorrect, but to each his own.

I didn't call it great. Why misrepresent what I said?

I thought they both looked great, within context. I thought they both looked promising. Both QBs scored more points than Stafford and Stroud did while facing weaker defenses yesterday, so I am just trying to see the forest for the trees here.

Dude. Your quote was:

“I thought they both looked great for first game of the year”

So I responded saying I didn’t think he played great. That is in NO way misrepresenting what you said.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Regarding the Hockenson non-fumble... The correct call was made

Ruling on T.J. Hockenson non-fumble was correct

Before the Vikings were able to mount a stunning fourth-quarter comeback on Monday night, the stage needed to be properly set for it.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought McCarthy looked awful early and then great in the 4th quarter.

I thought that as well until I watched the JTO breakdown of Vikings plays.

tbh, JJM gets a lot of credit for taking sacks and not throwing dumb picks when the play wasn’t there. JJef slipped several times in the 1st half, and was bumped early disrupting his routes — & MIN’s OL did them no favors. JJM had a couple of errant throws, but that 1st half by the Vikings was a total team effort.

Not saying JJM played lights out in the 1st half - I’m just saying it wasn’t as bad as it looked, nor was it entirely on him.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I thought McCarthy looked awful early and then great in the 4th quarter.

I thought that as well until I watched the JTO breakdown of Vikings plays.

tbh, JJM gets a lot of credit for taking sacks and not throwing dumb picks when the play wasn’t there. JJef slipped several times in the 1st half, and was bumped early disrupting his routes — & MIN’s OL did them no favors. JJM had a couple of errant throws, but that 1st half by the Vikings was a total team effort.

Not saying JJM played lights out in the 1st half - I’m just saying it wasn’t as bad as it looked, nor was it entirely on him.

That pick 6 was about one of the worst passes I’ve witnessed. I’ll check out the JT video and educate myself, but nothing is gonna convince me he was even decent to start.

He’s young and he rallied like a pro to win, but he started out sucking eggs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That pick 6 was about one of the worst passes I’ve witnessed. I’ll check out the JT video and educate myself, but nothing is gonna convince me he was even decent to start.

Which is exactly what I thought, before watching the breakdown. I’ve done a 180° on that.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

That pick 6 was about one of the worst passes I’ve witnessed. I’ll check out the JT video and educate myself, but nothing is gonna convince me he was even decent to start.

Which is exactly what I thought, before watching the breakdown. I’ve done a 180° on that.

OK, if I don’t reply to this, it means I watched it and you were right.

Just kidding, I love watching JT’s videos, especially because he shares my man-love for Hurts.

But, what’s his take on Caleb?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But, what’s his take on Caleb?

I don’t think the Bears version is out yet. IIRC he drops the videos to his patreon subs 1st.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

That pick 6 was about one of the worst passes I’ve witnessed. I’ll check out the JT video and educate myself, but nothing is gonna convince me he was even decent to start.

Which is exactly what I thought, before watching the breakdown. I’ve done a 180° on that.

Ok. Good breakdown.