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More Terrorism in France, or Something else? (1 Viewer)

Quez said:
I agree with this, and kind of what you said about the networks showing it over & over.  However, the people that do this don't do it for fame, they do it because they have been brainwashed by radical Islam.  They think this is how to establish the caliphate & they will get virgins in heaven.  Crazy.
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They're losers.  Outsiders with crappy lives.  Most have never kissed a girl or even held a girl's hand. They have no money. Some are joining isis because they get a paycheck and meals.

 
I was in Nice a couple of years ago and that stretch of road is usually bumper to bumper cars well into the night. I guess they close it off to traffic for the Bastille Day celebration but I'd be curious to see what kind of barricade was set up. Someone will take heat for not securing the area and leaving it vulnerable.

Horrible story. What a sick group of people we are dealing with.

 
timschochet said:
What bait? I don't think limiting immigration will stop terrorism. 
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Did you tell your wife to throw on a pot of coffee when you first heard the news?  "It's gonna be along night in the FFA tonight sweetheart, don't wait up for me"

 
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flapgreen said:
That's nice that you doubt his and all,  but you don't think our government or others can do any more to fight this war?  Just stick with what we're doing?  
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Just last night, Greta Van Susteren was praising Obama's strategy (along with a GOP congressman).  Apparently there's been significant improvement and they were predicting ISIS would be branching out into more "lone wolf" style attacks.  Strange, I know.  But someone on Fox News actually gave Obama some credit.

 
My FFA/FBG Friends(ALL OF YOU!)

-Can we try and treat each other better than what we are witnessing in these events? 

-We rally behind a lot of causes in here, why are we all so quick to start politicizing it instead of coming together and being there for each other? I'm sickened and saddened by these events, I really think it's a poor time to start discussing new policies in an attempt to somehow offer solutions. 

It stinks, we feel helpless, we want to change all this and we currently have a mini civil war brewing here at home, that feeds into ISIS and the worst in all of us. 

I wish I had better answers/solutions. 

 
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flapgreen said:
That's nice that you doubt his and all,  but you don't think our government or others can do any more to fight this war?  Just stick with what we're doing?  
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Abroad...yes. overall, big picture, its working. Watch the interview on Greta that was posted in the Obama wirst ever thread.  Improve intel was also part of what i said.

Demonize all muslims and start some ban?  Given the homegrown nature of terrorists here...no, i dont think that would curtail terrorism. 

 
flapgreen said:
Tim tries to look at the bright side on some issues,  which I can't hate on him for,  but there's also a reality standing before us that needs to be acknowledged. 
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The reality is that terrorism is a greater threat than ever before. The reality is that most of it comes from ISIS and other radical Islamist groups. The reality is that it is extremely difficult to stop because these evil people are willing to die and they don't need large numbers to do terrible damage.

And the reality is that all too many well meaning people, who are rightfully horrified and impatient, will turn more and more to simplistic solutions to this complex problem, and that will only make things worse. 

 
And as I type let's keep our cool, simultaneously O'Reilly has Trump on the first 30 seconds and the words World War 3 come flying out of O'Reilly's mouth...WOW!

 
sho nuff said:
Abroad...yes. overall, big picture, its working. Watch the interview on Greta that was posted in the Obama wirst ever thread.  Improve intel was also part of what i said.

Demonize all muslims and start some ban?  Given the homegrown nature of terrorists here...no, i dont think that would curtail terrorism. 
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I'll look at it 

 
timschochet said:
The reality is that terrorism is a greater threat than ever before. The reality is that most of it comes from ISIS and other radical Islamist groups. The reality is that it is extremely difficult to stop because these evil people are willing to die and they don't need large numbers to do terrible damage.

And the reality is that all too many well meaning people, who are rightfully horrified and impatient, will turn more and more to simplistic solutions to this complex problem, and that will only make things worse. 
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As opposed to what?  Hope for economic change in the middle east?  At this point, the best we can hope for is that all those willing to die for their cause actually do..

 
Quez said:
Did you tell your wife to throw on a pot of coffee when you first heard the news?  "It's gonna be along night in the FFA tonight sweetheart, don't wait up for me"
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Like everyone else here I'm horrified by this. Like everyone else here I rack my brain for solutions and I don't have any good ones. I'm sorry that I don't agree with yours but I don't. And attacking me isn't going to solve any problems either. 

 
Blick said:
As opposed to what?  Hope for economic change in the middle east?  At this point, the best we can hope for is that all those willing to die for their cause actually do..
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The Middle East has the money to create economic change. They do not. The Saudis, the Emirates have more money than God.

 
Amused to Death said:
Just last night, Greta Van Susteren was praising Obama's strategy (along with a GOP congressman).  Apparently there's been significant improvement and they were predicting ISIS would be branching out into more "lone wolf" style attacks.  Strange, I know.  But someone on Fox News actually gave Obama some credit.
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Here's what I posted in the "Worst Ever" thread last night.  I can't find a link (Fox probably won't promote it too much):

Watching Foxnews - Greta VS and Illinois Congressman and Air Force pilot Adam Kinzinger (R) reluctantly giving Obama credit for progress against ISIS.  ISIS is losing ground apparently and GVS is crediting Obama's strategy for working (!) without losing many American lives.  Kinsinger, "I've always said his strategy would work eventually".  Both crediting him for a long-term, consistent strategy that didn't cost us many lives.  Positive sign.

What's the temperature in Hell? Must be at least a frost warning for tonight.

 
Willie Neslon said:
Need to stop the non-stop tv coverage of it. Every attack dominates the news and social media. The perps are just people with crappy lives who want to feel important.  Don't entice would be murderers by making them famous. I'd take religion out of it too. Who cares what their reasoning is for murdering people?  Calling them radical islamic terrorists gives the crime a whiff or importance and legitimacy.  Just call it murder and call them #######s and murderers.
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Sounds good.  If American news agencies stop covering a Muslim from the Middle East who killed a bunch of people in France I'm sure all of these terrorism problems would vanish.  They probably just murder people and kill themselves because they want attention.  

 
TripItUp said:
This is now turning into a boots on the ground operation...it needs to happen.
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I'm afraid the decision is moving in that direction. I can see France, England, United States, and several other Euro countries pushing to have a united front and perhaps showing the World that they are not going to take this any longer. 

I believe they need troops on the ground coming from all directions around that pseudo caliphate they built or declared and do the nasties and take them out cave by cave, sand drift after sand drift until you meet these 4 armies in the middle and destroy them. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
My FFA/FBG Friends(ALL OF YOU!)

-Can we try and treat each other better than what we are witnessing in these events? 

-We rally behind a lot of causes in here, why are we all so quick to start politicizing it instead of coming together and being there for each other? I'm sickened and saddened by these events, I really think it's a poor time to start discussing new policies in an attempt to somehow offer solutions. 

It stinks, we feel helpless, we want to change all this and we currently have a mini civil war brewing here at home, that feeds into ISIS and the worst in all of us. 

I wish I had better answers/solutions. 
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What? Actually stop and show respect for the people and families affected by this terrorist attack, when we can score POLITICAL POINTS? 

 
sho nuff said:
Yeah, how do you stop it?

Intel and chatter lets you know maybe something and you hope you catch a guy.  But any nut in a big truck can influct some pretty major damage in some places.
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You prevent the nut from entering the country.

You eliminate ISIS.(where you can)

 
I'm hoping we don't have to turn into a Mexico situation where we have to pass through military checkpoints when we travel so they can check for guns and drugs.

 
timschochet said:
The reality is that terrorism is a greater threat than ever before. The reality is that most of it comes from ISIS and other radical Islamist groups. The reality is that it is extremely difficult to stop because these evil people are willing to die and they don't need large numbers to do terrible damage.

And the reality is that all too many well meaning people, who are rightfully horrified and impatient, will turn more and more to simplistic solutions to this complex problem, and that will only make things worse. 
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Good points that I don't disagree with,  but I don't agree with some in here that the current method being used is effective.  Sure,  it's difficult.  That goes without saying.  Doesn't mean it should be looked at as "it's just difficult to stop."  Mine,  and many others greatest fear,  is that it will arrive here eventually.  I can understand the side that believes ostracizing an entire group of people isn't the answer.  I don't necessarily agree with that either.  I do believe there's something more than could be done when the whole idea of not wanting to offend a specific group of people is done away with. 

 
sho nuff said:
And people think calling him dangerous is over the top?

Talk like that is not a good thing at all.
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No jokes, I was appalled by how Fox is handling it tonight. They clearly are setting the TV shows tonight to help forward the GOP agenda. I vote right a lot and I can see it exactly for what it is. Trump is getting a free infomercial as millions find this out and running to the TV. Fox like it or not dominates the ratings. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
And as I type let's keep our cool, simultaneously O'Reilly has Trump on the first 30 seconds and the words World War 3 come flying out of O'Reilly's mouth...WOW!
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Meh, I've heard the multi decade global battle against Islamist terror that many states on many continents are involved in described as a form of world war.

I don't imagine that World War III will be a multi-state alliance vs. multi-state alliance like we saw in the previous World Wars.  State governments vs. international terrorist groups that can be found in numerous states is the new form of world war.

 
bueno said:
I'm hoping we don't have to turn into a Mexico situation where we have to pass through military checkpoints when we travel so they can check for guns and drugs.
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I expect that's exactly what WILL have to happen. More checkpoints everywhere. 

It is not Mexico but Israel which we will end up imitating. Israel has been the target of these sorts of attacks for decades now. Somehow they have managed to maintain a free and prosperous society all the while increasing their security. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
No jokes, I was appalled by how Fox is handling it tonight. They clearly are setting the TV shows tonight to help forward the GOP agenda. I vote right a lot and I can see it exactly for what it is. Trump is getting a free infomercial as millions find this out and running to the TV. Fox like it or not dominates the ratings. 
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Fox and CNN exist for stuff like tbis.  They push what their viewers want to see

 
Not gonna read through all of this thread. Not gonna look at the videos or the photos.

Just gonna pray for those poor people, their families, and the rest of humanity right now.

 
timschochet said:
 They're in Iraq. We could send troops to Iraq and wipe out their main headquarters in Mosul. It would take about 200,000 troops, perhaps more to be safe. Shall we do this? And what do we do afterwards? 
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Correct.  There are also cells in other places. 

I don't think it's really tough for our allies to pool together 200K troops...this needs to happen yesterday and it needs to be shared world responsibility.

 
timschochet said:
I expect that's exactly what WILL have to happen. More checkpoints everywhere. 

It is not Mexico but Israel which we will end up imitating. Israel has been the target of these sorts of attacks for decades now. Somehow they have managed to maintain a free and prosperous society all the while increasing their security. 
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You ever been through Ben Grunion airport?

 
Official death toll at 75 so far

Well over 200 lost their lives in Baghdad last week in car bombs and it didn't get half the coverage this is tonight. 

We don't care if bombs go off and kill innocents in the Middle East, we as Americans think all of those folks are 2nd class citizens. 

It happens in Nice and everyone is up in arms. I'm just pointing out it seems we value French citizens and Euro citizens a lot more than Middle East citizens, even those not Jihadists which is the vast majority. 

 
TripItUp said:
Correct.  There are also cells in other places. 

I don't think it's really tough for our allies to pool together 200K troops...this needs to happen yesterday and it needs to be shared world responsibility.
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We never pulled all of the troops in Iraq.  We have thousands of them right now over there

 
TripItUp said:
Correct.  There are also cells in other places. 

I don't think it's really tough for our allies to pool together 200K troops...this needs to happen yesterday and it needs to be shared world responsibility.
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The problem is that it should have happened yesterday. Many yesterdays ago.

 
timschochet said:
Like everyone else here I'm horrified by this. Like everyone else here I rack my brain for solutions and I don't have any good ones. I'm sorry that I don't agree with yours but I don't. And attacking me isn't going to solve any problems either. 
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I didn't mean for that to come off as an attack.  

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Official death toll at 75 so far

Well over 200 lost their lives in Baghdad last week in car bombs and it didn't get half the coverage this is tonight. 

We don't care if bombs go off and kill innocents in the Middle East, we as Americans think all of those folks are 2nd class citizens. 

It happens in Nice and everyone is up in arms. I'm just pointing out it seems we value French citizens and Euro citizens a lot more than Middle East citizens, even those not Jihadists which is the vast majority. 
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Well to be fair, I doubt we have as many media in Baghdad or that they would be able to operate as freely.

 
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