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[Michael Fox Fan]

I apologize if I missed it but how does the GB OL look heading into the draft and the '07 season? I could see Morency being a good value play.

Clifton and Tauscher are still solid at tackle, but they both slipped vs. 2005. Scott Wells is serviceable at center but will never be a stud. The rookie guards improved as the year went on, but still struggled in the run game. Green Bay could use either: a) depth at tackle or b) an upgrade at center. But the main thing the O-line needs is experience on the inside and time to jell. This isn't a huge position of need in '07.

 

[Routilla]

I apologize if I missed it but how does the GB OL look heading into the draft and the '07 season? I could see Morency being a good value play.

Clifton and Tauscher are still solid at tackle, but they both slipped vs. 2005. Scott Wells is serviceable at center but will never be a stud. The rookie guards improved as the year went on, but still struggled in the run game. Green Bay could use either: a) depth at tackle or b) an upgrade at center. But the main thing the O-line needs is experience on the inside and time to jell. This isn't a huge position of need in '07.

Then whoever is toting the rock at RB could be a possible (dare I say it) sleeper?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I apologize if I missed it but how does the GB OL look heading into the draft and the '07 season? I could see Morency being a good value play.

Clifton and Tauscher are still solid at tackle, but they both slipped vs. 2005. Scott Wells is serviceable at center but will never be a stud. The rookie guards improved as the year went on, but still struggled in the run game. ]Green Bay could use either: a) depth at tackle or b) an upgrade at center. But the main thing the O-line needs is experience on the inside and time to jell. This isn't a huge position of need in '07.

Then whoever is toting the rock at RB could be a possible (dare I say it) sleeper?

Not necessarily, although Ahman had decent numbers last year when he played.

 

[chadavan]

You don't pay 1st round picks to sit on the bench

Tell Aaron Rogers or Cedric Benson that...

Did you just implicitly compare Vernand Morency to both Brett Favre and Thomas Jones?! Seriously, that's crazy. At the least, you could provide better examples.

Umm, no...I implicitly countered that just because you sign a guy in the first round, doesn't mean he is guaranteed a starting role.

Well in that case, you used at least 1 poor example. Rodgers is sitting behind a living legend. [as a Green Bay fan, I don't have to point this out to you] I'd argue Benson sat behind a pretty good player too in Jones.Morency is far from presenting the same level of competition as these two.For what it's worth, I can envision Morency as the starter in week 1, but don't see him lasting long. He'll either get hurt or fail to perform. If Lynch is drafted in Green Bay, he'll be starting (or receiving the bulk of carries) by mid-season.

You are completely missing the point... Someone said "you don't pay someone 1st round money to sit the bench". I give 2 recent examples of 1st round players sitting the bench. It doesn't matter who the starter is, sometimes players get drafted in the first round and sit the bench.

 

[redman]

You don't pay 1st round picks to sit on the bench

Tell Aaron Rogers or Cedric Benson that...

Did you just implicitly compare Vernand Morency to both Brett Favre and Thomas Jones?! Seriously, that's crazy. At the least, you could provide better examples.

And did you just equate Brett Favre with Thomas Jones for the purposes of ridiculing his comparison?

 

[Traders2001]

Morency wont even start a pre season game ( Oups maybe the last one )

 

[sho nuff]

Morency wont even start a pre season game ( Oups maybe the last one )

And you think that because?

 

[chadavan]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...

1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.

2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.

3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.

4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.

then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years.

If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.

As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.

ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years. If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

nothing more to be said.....

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

You don't pay 1st round picks to sit on the bench

Tell Aaron Rogers or Cedric Benson that...

Did you just implicitly compare Vernand Morency to both Brett Favre and Thomas Jones?! Seriously, that's crazy. At the least, you could provide better examples.

And did you just equate Brett Favre with Thomas Jones for the purposes of ridiculing his comparison?

Uh, no. I compared Favre to Morency, and Jones to Morency. Pretty simple.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years. If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

nothing more to be said.....

Agreed, good post chadvan

 

[Routilla]

I don't think we can use the fact that "HOU traded away VM and so he must suck" as a legitimate piece of evidence. After all, HOU failed to draft EITHER Vince or Reggie last year. That speaks volumes about their ability to evaluate talent IMO. Now VM may not be anything this year, but if GB does NOT draft a RB or acquire Turner then he is atleast a starting RB in a fairly weak division. Does this seem that unrealistic assuming GB does not draft a RB?

 

[gman8343]

I don't think we can use the fact that "HOU traded away VM and so he must suck" as a legitimate piece of evidence. After all, HOU failed to draft EITHER Vince or Reggie last year. That speaks volumes about their ability to evaluate talent IMO. Now VM may not be anything this year, but if GB does NOT draft a RB or acquire Turner then he is atleast a starting RB in a fairly weak division. Does this seem that unrealistic assuming GB does not draft a RB?

It's not unrealistic at all IMO, but Green Bay will almost certainly draft a RB - if not Lynch in the 1st, then they'll grab someone in the 2nd or 3rd who can come in and at least compete. I'm in the camp that Morency is a gamer and has a solid chance at starting and being a good duel threat. He has had some fumbling issues, but those can be fixed. Ahman Green seemed to do okay in GB despite having a pretty bad fumbling problem. Everything I've seen from this guy tells me he has skills. I've watched him quite a bit and have come away impressed. I've seen him dance a bit too much as mentioned earlier, but again, that can be changed. What is much more difficult to teach is the elusivness that Morency has. He could become a great sleeper, or he could end up being the next Mewelde Moore. Time will tell.

 

[BLOX]

If the Packers DO NOT draft a running back then in deep dynasty leagues some of you may want to consider picking up Arliss Beach.

They were very high on him coming out of training camp last year but then he got hurt and put on IR.

I can't remember his injury so I'll look up a link.

Edit to add link:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?i...mp;format=print

Just someone to keep an eye on.

 

[Chadstroma]

At least, according to this beat writerackers | Morency to startSun, 15 Apr 2007 14:00:37 -0700John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Green Bay Packers will have RB Vernand Morency as their starter and RB Noah Herron as the backup.

Yeah, until the draft...

Is there any way that GB stays as is? I do not think so, I have more respect for their front office than that.

 

[Chadstroma]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years. If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

nothing more to be said.....

Agreed, good post chadvan

I agree 100% with everything being said there 'cept that I think it is one of the safest bets in the draft that GB will draft a RB in the first 3 rounds. Whether that spells doom and gloom for Morency- I am not about to go that far. BUT, I think saying Morency is the starter now, before they even get into training camp is more of a draft misinformation and a public display of confidence to communicate to Morency than it is actual true faith that Morency is their guy.

 

[nygiants56]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years. If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

nothing more to be said.....

Agreed, good post chadvan

I agree 100% with everything being said there 'cept that I think it is one of the safest bets in the draft that GB will draft a RB in the first 3 rounds. Whether that spells doom and gloom for Morency- I am not about to go that far. BUT, I think saying Morency is the starter now, before they even get into training camp is more of a draft misinformation and a public display of confidence to communicate to Morency than it is actual true faith that Morency is their guy.

I don't buy for one second,that Morency will be their starting RB come opening day.They most certainly will draft a guy like Lynch, if available, or, Pittman/Irons in round two. the other scenario is M. Turner. The public announcement by the GB font office that that they have little or no interest in MT seems fishy to me,almost like their playing possum here. they could be taking a wait and see approach, letting the cards fall where they may, to see see if Lynch is available at #16. If not, do they trade that pick to SD for Michael Turner ? they really have no RB's on the team that you'd consider 'starting' material, so letting A. Green slip away is a strong indicator that they almost certainly will make a move for a RB in the first round. I don't buy McCarthy's BS about how Morency is his guy..that's plain old coach-speak 101..it really means 'were desperate for a RB'

 

[redman]

You don't pay 1st round picks to sit on the bench

Tell Aaron Rogers or Cedric Benson that...

Did you just implicitly compare Vernand Morency to both Brett Favre and Thomas Jones?! Seriously, that's crazy. At the least, you could provide better examples.

And did you just equate Brett Favre with Thomas Jones for the purposes of ridiculing his comparison?

Uh, no. I compared Favre to Morency, and Jones to Morency. Pretty simple.

Transitive property of equality down?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

The Packers will draft a RB that will be given every chance to earn the starting role for next season.

 

[Jedeye]

I do believe that the Pack will draft a RB that will be given every chance to earn the starting role for next season. Having said that, Lendale White and Cedric Benson were both drafted with the intention of giving them every chance to earn the starting role for the following season. It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.

 

[BLOX]

Here is my deal with this argument. People are entitled to their opinions. I can understand why someone might think that Morency won't be a starter. But if your reasons for judgment are...

1.) Houston traded him away, he must suck.

2.) Green Bay will draft a running back.

3.) He hasn't done anything in the NFL yet.

4.) He was a third round pick, therefore he can't be good.

then you are basing your opinions on lacking evidence. Houston has been known for making bad roster decisions. Green Bay may/may not draft a running back in the first, regardless, if Morency is the starter on day 1 and runs well, the rookie will not start. There are a number of cases where a 3rd year player comes in and shines after sitting the bench for years.

If you have watched Morency run, and your opinions are, he dances too much, or he's injury prone, or he doesn't pass block well, then I can understand where you are coming from. Then you have an argument.

As for me, I'll wait to see what happens the rest of this offseason to make a solid judgment. If I were drafting now, I'd take him as a high upside flyer in the middle rounds.

ETA: One more thing. About the Houston trade. remember Mike Sherman had a boner for Samkon Gado. Most fantasy owners had a boner for Samkon Gado before last season. So regardless how it looks now, Houston's value of Morency might have been higher than what the trade leads you to believe.

nothing more to be said.....

Agreed, good post chadvan

I agree 100% with everything being said there 'cept that I think it is one of the safest bets in the draft that GB will draft a RB in the first 3 rounds. Whether that spells doom and gloom for Morency- I am not about to go that far. BUT, I think saying Morency is the starter now, before they even get into training camp is more of a draft misinformation and a public display of confidence to communicate to Morency than it is actual true faith that Morency is their guy.

I don't buy for one second,that Morency will be their starting RB come opening day.They most certainly will draft a guy like Lynch, if available, or, Pittman/Irons in round two. the other scenario is M. Turner. The public announcement by the GB font office that that they have little or no interest in MT seems fishy to me,almost like their playing possum here. they could be taking a wait and see approach, letting the cards fall where they may, to see see if Lynch is available at #16. If not, do they trade that pick to SD for Michael Turner ? they really have no RB's on the team that you'd consider 'starting' material, so letting A. Green slip away is a strong indicator that they almost certainly will make a move for a RB in the first round. I don't buy McCarthy's BS about how Morency is his guy..that's plain old coach-speak 101..it really means 'were desperate for a RB'

Or it means "we have a capable starting RB and are not willing to give up a 1st for another teams backup"

 

[Routilla]

I don't think we can use the fact that "HOU traded away VM and so he must suck" as a legitimate piece of evidence. After all, HOU failed to draft EITHER Vince or Reggie last year. That speaks volumes about their ability to evaluate talent IMO. Now VM may not be anything this year, but if GB does NOT draft a RB or acquire Turner then he is atleast a starting RB in a fairly weak division. Does this seem that unrealistic assuming GB does not draft a RB?

It's not unrealistic at all IMO, but Green Bay will almost certainly draft a RB - if not Lynch in the 1st, then they'll grab someone in the 2nd or 3rd who can come in and at least compete. I'm in the camp that Morency is a gamer and has a solid chance at starting and being a good duel threat. He has had some fumbling issues, but those can be fixed. Ahman Green seemed to do okay in GB despite having a pretty bad fumbling problem. Everything I've seen from this guy tells me he has skills. I've watched him quite a bit and have come away impressed. I've seen him dance a bit too much as mentioned earlier, but again, that can be changed. What is much more difficult to teach is the elusivness that Morency has. He could become a great sleeper, or he could end up being the next Mewelde Moore. Time will tell.

I agree. If Lynch is there it will be hard to pass on him. But I guess it depends on who else is available at their pick. Can't wait for the draft.