Most overrated player (2 Viewers)

[Chase Stuart]

I'll start with the Jets. On one hand this isn't easy, since not too many Jets are rated high. On the other hand, it's pretty simple since Justin McCareins is just about the worst WR in the league.Words can't even describe how horrible McCareins was this year. He made a pivotal mistake, dropped a key pass, and caused a turnover in so many games this year it was hard to keep track. Some people still view him as "average" or "with potential", so this would be as good a time as any to set the record straight: Justin McCareins is horrible and is one of the worst starting WRs in the NFL. Just awful.Please add to the list:Jets: Justin McCareins

 

[tattoofan]

My favorite team doesn't have an overrated players. Well, I guess Andre Johnson was overrated in fantasy drafts this season.

 

[Marino13]

I'll start with the Jets. On one hand this isn't easy, since not too many Jets are rated high. On the other hand, it's pretty simple since Justin McCareins is just about the worst WR in the league.

Words can't even describe how horrible McCareins was this year. He made a pivotal mistake, dropped a key pass, and caused a turnover in so many games this year it was hard to keep track. Some people still view him as "average" or "with potential", so this would be as good a time as any to set the record straight: Justin McCareins is horrible and is one of the worst starting WRs in the NFL. Just awful.

Please add to the list:

Jets: Justin McCareins

That's why they are going to pursue TO.

 

[Trap Play]

Ah, this is too easy:San Francisco 49ers: Julian Peterson

 

[gman8343]

Eli. Maybe.

 

[dgreen]

The popular pick for the Redskins is Lavar Arrington. But, I'll throw someone else out there: Chris Samuels. Don't get me wrong, he's a fine tackle. But, he's not the best tackle on the team and he gets beat one-on-one on a consistant basis by the top defensive ends. Jansen tends to hold his own against just about any DE.

 

[Marino13]

Sam Madison/Junior Seau are both overrated and over the hill. Should have traded Madison, not Surtain.

 

[Warhogs]

Green Bay Packers fan: Brett FavreI know he pressed to make plays this year but he is viewed so highly how can he not be over rated. Then all those turnovers...

 

[slimflop]

Roy Williams, Dallas

 

[Marino13]

Eli. Maybe.

Eli really does look like a baby out there. He looks like he's going to cry after he throws a pick. He reminds me of a kid from elementary school that would go cry to his daddy. Sad, but true. Just look at his face afterwards.

 

[Bloom]

Steelers: Antwaan Randle-elI will say he rarely fumbles punts. But he also rarely goes forward with his first step on a punt return. he is the king of the "juke the invisible defender" move once he receives a punt. As a deep threat at WR, he was not appreciably better than Cedrick Wilson this year. The development at WR has hit its ceiling for ARE, I dont think he has lived up to the 2nd round pick the steelers spent on him. For a punt returner type, he does little after the catch on offense and more than 1/4 of his receiving yards this year came against cupcake teams in the first two games.I think just about any competent WR with good straight line speed can fill his role in the Steeler offense if he leaves in the offseason. We may suffer a few muffed punts and miss out on a punt return TD or two (on the rare occasion ARE actually goes FORWARD on his first step), but I wont be sad to see him go.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Ever since he got his big contract...Ravens: Chris McAlister

 

[amnesiac]

charlie frye. he improved his last few games, but the way people talk about him around here, you'd think he was the next coming of peyton manning or something.

 

[amnesiac]

Steelers: Antwaan Randle-elI think just about any competent WR with good straight line speed can fill his role in the Steeler offense if he leaves in the offseason. We may suffer a few muffed punts and miss out on a punt return TD or two (on the rare occasion ARE actually goes FORWARD on his first step), but I wont be sad to see him go.

but what about all those awesome gadget plays?

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

BUCS - Kenyatta Walker. People say he has improved but I'm not buying it. Mediocre player with superstar ego.

 

[pinequick]

Roy Williams, Dallas

Beat me by 8 minutes. Absolutlely. He is a highlight-reel guy, but boy he sure has trouble in coverage and doesn't do a good job of getting off of blocks in the run game.Other than that, he's a great safety--his reputation definitely preceeds him.

 

[jwvdcw]

The popular pick for the Redskins is Lavar Arrington.  But, I'll throw someone else out there: Chris Samuels.  Don't get me wrong, he's a fine tackle.  But, he's not the best tackle on the team and he gets beat one-on-one on a consistant basis by the top defensive ends.  Jansen tends to hold his own against just about any DE.

quite disappointing in retrospect for 2 of the top 3 draft choices that year.

 

[whoknew]

I am a Lions fan. No Lions player is rated, so it's kind of hard to be overrated. They all stink. Everyone agrees they all stink.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Leonard Davis = Cardinals

 

[Ridgelake]

As a Cowboy fan, I'd actually say that Larry Allen is more overrated than Roy Williams. Allen get beat both in the running game and passing game. He's average at best in every phase. Roy definitely struggles in pass protection. But receivers do know where he is. He definitely causes some short arms. He is a very good blitzer. And is he good in run support. So yes, Roy often gets abused in coverage. But at least some things he does are above average. The same can't be said for Larry Allen at this point in his career.

 

[Capella]

BUCS - Kenyatta Walker. People say he has improved but I'm not buying it. Mediocre player with superstar ego.

McFarland.Walker turned in a decent year. And most people still think that he sucks, so it's hard to overrate him.

The way some people talk, you'd think Booger was a top-5 DT.

 

[Marino13]

Leonard Davis = Cardinals

Yeah, False start after false start.... never seen someone get so many back to back false starts as him...

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

BUCS - Kenyatta Walker. People say he has improved but I'm not buying it. Mediocre player with superstar ego.

McFarland.Walker turned in a decent year. And most people still think that he sucks, so it's hard to overrate him.

The way some people talk, you'd think Booger was a top-5 DT.

Can't believe I forgot him. I agree...

 

[dj_stouty]

The popular pick for the Redskins is Lavar Arrington. But, I'll throw someone else out there: Chris Samuels. Don't get me wrong, he's a fine tackle. But, he's not the best tackle on the team and he gets beat one-on-one on a consistant basis by the top defensive ends. Jansen tends to hold his own against just about any DE.

I agree with your assessment. Samuels may be a top 10 Left Tackle...but he is not worthy of a Pro Bowl nod. There are TWO O-linemen on the Skins' line who are better at their respective positions than Samuels is. One is Randy Thomas (RG) and the other is Jon Jansen (RT).I hate to say it...but for this season alone, Lavar is right up there. You can tell his injuries have limited him this season, but he hasn't produced like he should. Assuming he comes back next year, he better step up the production, since he is giong to be a 12.5 million dollar cap hit in 2006.

 

[zamboni]

Chase, I agree with your assessment of McCareins, but I think Ty Law warrants as much consideration.He got to the Pro Bowl on reputation and a sizable number of INTs this year, but I think you'll agree he got burnt quite a bit over the course of the season.

 

[f360spyder]

Nathan VasherYes, he's very good but he's still overrated. That 108yd field goal return TD? The blocking was perfect by the rest of the Bears. His high number of INTs are because he's in the right place at the right time. Example off the top of my head-- Vick throws it to Jenkins and converts for a 1st down, Vasher was more than 3 steps away and clearly beat. Jenkins goes to the ground but the ball pops, probably b/c of the wind and -7 degree weather, Vasher runs forward and grabs the floating ball.McCareins is from my high school. I can name 10 guys off the top of my head who are better, faster, and have hands of glue.

 

[thesurfshop19]

I think that Broncos' players are generally perceived to be as good or bad as they actually are.Champ Bailey may have been a candidate last year, but he really came back this year with a great season so I don't think he belongs on the list anymore.

 

[dgreen]

The popular pick for the Redskins is Lavar Arrington. But, I'll throw someone else out there: Chris Samuels. Don't get me wrong, he's a fine tackle. But, he's not the best tackle on the team and he gets beat one-on-one on a consistant basis by the top defensive ends. Jansen tends to hold his own against just about any DE.

I agree with your assessment. Samuels may be a top 10 Left Tackle...but he is not worthy of a Pro Bowl nod. There are TWO O-linemen on the Skins' line who are better at their respective positions than Samuels is. One is Randy Thomas (RG) and the other is Jon Jansen (RT).I hate to say it...but for this season alone, Lavar is right up there. You can tell his injuries have limited him this season, but he hasn't produced like he should. Assuming he comes back next year, he better step up the production, since he is giong to be a 12.5 million dollar cap hit in 2006.

Lavar actually had one his best games, in my opinion, last week. Samuels was completely by Simeon Rice. But, that happens every time Samuels plays Rice.

 

[3MTA3]

Steelers: I'm going with Willie ParkerI just don't think he has what it takes to be a back in the league. He sure can shred up the bad defenses, but when he goes against an above average D, he just can't get anywhere.I sure hope he proves me wrong though.

 

[BigTex]

As a Cowboy fan, I'd actually say that Larry Allen is more overrated than Roy Williams. Allen get beat both in the running game and passing game. He's average at best in every phase.

Roy definitely struggles in pass protection. But receivers do know where he is. He definitely causes some short arms. He is a very good blitzer. And is he good in run support.

So yes, Roy often gets abused in coverage. But at least some things he does are above average. The same can't be said for Larry Allen at this point in his career.

I agree 100% and I'm still wondering how he keeps making it to the Pro Bowl.

 

[dj_stouty]

The popular pick for the Redskins is Lavar Arrington.  But, I'll throw someone else out there: Chris Samuels.  Don't get me wrong, he's a fine tackle.  But, he's not the best tackle on the team and he gets beat one-on-one on a consistant basis by the top defensive ends.  Jansen tends to hold his own against just about any DE.

I agree with your assessment. Samuels may be a top 10 Left Tackle...but he is not worthy of a Pro Bowl nod. There are TWO O-linemen on the Skins' line who are better at their respective positions than Samuels is. One is Randy Thomas (RG) and the other is Jon Jansen (RT).I hate to say it...but for this season alone, Lavar is right up there. You can tell his injuries have limited him this season, but he hasn't produced like he should. Assuming he comes back next year, he better step up the production, since he is giong to be a 12.5 million dollar cap hit in 2006.

Lavar actually had one his best games, in my opinion, last week. Samuels was completely by Simeon Rice. But, that happens every time Samuels plays Rice.

Yes....Against the Bucs, Lavar looked like Lavar of old. I hope to see more of that on Saturday. Another 10 tackle, 1 INT performance from Lavar will really help.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Steelers: Joey PorterYes he made the Pro Bowl and 2nd Team All League but it seems to me that he tends to disappear in big games. If he can't use his speed to get around the tackle he isn't getting to the QB. He has no other moves. He seems to make hay against the bad teams (Browns) and do little against the Patriots and Colts. I think his on-field antics bother me sometimes too. Having said that I sure hope he proves me wrong this weekend.

 

[Magic Man]

Niners - Brandon Lloyd

 

[pinequick]

As a Cowboy fan, I'd actually say that Larry Allen is more overrated than Roy Williams.  Allen get beat both in the running game and passing game.  He's average at best in every phase. 

Roy definitely struggles in pass protection.  But receivers do know where he is.  He definitely causes some short arms.  He is a very good blitzer.  And is he good in run support. 

So yes, Roy often gets abused in coverage.  But at least some things he does are above average.  The same can't be said for Larry Allen at this point in his career.

I agree 100% and I'm still wondering how he keeps making it to the Pro Bowl.

I'll buy this argument, too--because of the Pro Bowl nod. But my impression is that when I come on to FGBs, with a bunch of knowledgeable fans, and I say Larry Allen--*most* of the folks here will say "Man, he's overrated."I'm not sure that that is the case with Roy Williams, but I sure believe that he is well overrated. I agree he is a good blitzer/intimidator. And we all agree that he is a liability in pass coverage. I would go on to say that I don't think he is a real asset in the run game. He'll deliver a knock-out shot now and then, but in terms of fundamental tackling, and *especially* of selling out if he gets blocked, I think he really is sub-par there. I just think he gets a lot better pub than his play merits. (Strangely, I still really like him as a player, though. . .)

 

[Bloom]

Steelers: Joey Porter

Yes he made the Pro Bowl and 2nd Team All League but it seems to me that he tends to disappear in big games. If he can't use his speed to get around the tackle he isn't getting to the QB. He has no other moves. He seems to make hay against the bad teams (Browns) and do little against the Patriots and Colts. I think his on-field antics bother me sometimes too.

Having said that I sure hope he proves me wrong this weekend.

thats also a good call. I think we could plug James Harrison in for him and not see a considerable drop in performance.

 

[MDSkinner]

Nathan Vasher

Yes, he's very good but he's still overrated. That 108yd field goal return TD? The blocking was perfect by the rest of the Bears. His high number of INTs are because he's in the right place at the right time.

Example off the top of my head-- Vick throws it to Jenkins and converts for a 1st down, Vasher was more than 3 steps away and clearly beat. Jenkins goes to the ground but the ball pops, probably b/c of the wind and -7 degree weather, Vasher runs forward and grabs the floating ball.

McCareins is from my high school. I can name 10 guys off the top of my head who are better, faster, and have hands of glue.

Agree with you about Vasher. Vasher has been in the right place at the right time this year, and largely because the whole defense has played so well. He is only as good as those in front of him (D-line and LB corp) are allowing him to be.

 

[pelland]

Patriots- Ben Watson He is a decent TE but did not live up to lofty expectations placed on him in pre season. I still loved that catch in the Jaguars game though!

 

[Autumn Wind]

Easy - Charles Woodson

 

[BlueDredSo]

Bills - Nate ClementsMoulds is getting old, but he's still pretty good. Willis didn't have that great of a year, but he's still a premier back. Troy Vincent could make the list I guess also, he sucks at tackling and made some pretty bad decisions this year. Clements is the definite pick though. He got beat a lot and I just don't see why he's seen as an elite corner. I think he's good, but not great.

 

[Pnishthm]

SAINTS- I could probably make a list of them but I'd go with D. Mcallister. The guy seems to get injured a good bit and when he's healthy he shows flashes of being very good but at other times he doesn't even show up. From watching him over the years, he seems more content just to run it straight into the line for 2 or 3 yards lately. He doesn't seem to have that desire to be great. Maybe it's A. Brooks just rubbing off on him.

 

[perry147]

I think that Broncos' players are generally perceived to be as good or bad as they actually are.

Champ Bailey may have been a candidate last year, but he really came back this year with a great season so I don't think he belongs on the list anymore.

Well the first part was good. Champ Bailey is not a shut down corner that Denver wanted when they traded for him.

 

[bigliebdogg]

Eagles: LJ Smith. He just isn't good. Why does everyone think he's good?

 

[Trap Play]

Niners - Brandon Lloyd

This would've been my second choice behind Peterson. Talk about a highlight reel guy. He makes a couple circus catches and everyone annoits him the second coming. The guy can't do any of the little things right: go over the middle, block, make simple catches, resist the tempation to duck when a pass is thrown at his head.How can a team as bad as my Niners have two over-rated players. Truly scary.

 

[5Rings]

Niners - Brandon Lloyd

This would've been my second choice behind Peterson. Talk about a highlight reel guy. He makes a couple circus catches and everyone annoits him the second coming. The guy can't do any of the little things right: go over the middle, block, make simple catches, resist the tempation to duck when a pass is thrown at his head.How can a team as bad as my Niners have two over-rated players. Truly scary.

How about a third?The talking heads still yakk about Fred Beasley as if he's still one of the best FBs in the league. Dude is done, shoot, he lost his job this year to a journeyman scrub.

 

[trader jake]

an earlier packer vote went toward brett favre (at this stage of his career those fans who still think he's a top 5 NFL QB are just delusional)

i'd say wr robert ferguson. plain & simple - the guy is a bust in every way, shape & form

 

[thesurfshop19]

I think that Broncos' players are generally perceived to be as good or bad as they actually are.

Champ Bailey may have been a candidate last year, but he really came back this year with a great season so I don't think he belongs on the list anymore.

Well the first part was good. Champ Bailey is not a shut down corner that Denver wanted when they traded for him.

Everyone has different takes on this. I think Champ wasn't what the Broncos thought they were getting last year, but this year he's been a great playmaker. You can deal with less than ideal consistency if you're getting big plays, and that's what Denver's gotten this year on defense and one of the reasons they're 13-3 and not 10-6.

 

[Kleck.]

an earlier packer vote went toward brett favre (at this stage of his career those fans who still think he's a top 5 NFL QB are just delusional)

i'd say wr robert ferguson. plain & simple - the guy is a bust in every way, shape & form

I'll agree with Ferguson.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

IMO....Seahawks: Shaun Alexander

 

[Austin Rams Fan]

Orlando Pace. He was full of false starts and gave up several key sacks, including the one that shelved Bulger for the season. All this in the first year of his new multi-year deal.

 

[kaso]

Easy - Charles Woodson