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Moulds looking to play for Philly (1 Viewer)

I have liked Eric Moulds for several years now.  He is always in great physical condition.  He was a solid locker room leader for years in Buff.  Philly has leaders in Hugh Douglas and McNabb.  He is friends with McNabb.  They have been friends for years now.  McNabb made a push to get TO in Philly.  We all know how that turned out.  McNabb could be reluctant to make another stand for a specific player to acquire. 

I really believe Reggie Brown will develop into a solid WR#1.  But he needs a mentor.  Moulds could be that mentor.  TO was not and never did anything with the rest of the receivering group to help them. 

Moulds is making an effort to get what he can now while he has a chance.  This is sinlge opportunity to get some cash and help a team.  He wants Philly or NE for the winning opportunity.  That elusive Ring is his dream.  He knows he is not going to play in Buff.  Buff also will not trade him to NE.  They would rather cut him in late August then allow him to go to NE. 

Remember the NFL is a business. Moulds is making his business claim.  He will compramize his demands when he has something to work with.  Texas offering him (rumors - not reported) a 3 yr package just over $13M with $3.8M signing bonus give him a solid dollar to come back to Philly to let them know what he will accept to play for them.  I would expect Philly to offer under the Texas deal, but make him capable to achieve some incentives. 

I still think Moulds goes to Philly because that is where he wants to go.  He does not have to accept the bigger $ other teams offer if Philly makes a decent offer.  Something along the lines of a $3M signing bonus and 3 years at $12M total package would be close enough to say both side met in the middle and everybody would be happy.

The current Philly WR corp is below any other NFL team IMO.  Reggie Brown and Gaffney would be the starting receivers unless Moulds joins them.  With Moulds, Reggie & Eric with Greg Lewis in the slot.  Gaffney in 4 WR sets.  Pinkston is a cap cut waiting to happen.  I do not understand why he is even on the roster!
Hugh Douglas is no longer part of the team. Whether he maintains his ambassador role remains to be seen but he's currently serving as the co-host for the WIP afternoon show with Angelo Cataldi. As to Moulds' character, this is what I would like Bills homers to chime in on. Moulds came into the league as a character question [he had a pizza delivered to practice in college once, and got suspended for it...funny, but it was cause for concern on draft day] but had appeared to be a model citizen for a long time. Then, this year, he was sent home by Mike Mularkey but little more was made of the reasons behind the dismissal. Now, Mularkey is gone and it would be foolish to assume he had no culpability in any issues Moulds experienced.

Bills homers, what's the book on Moulds as a locker room guy and member of the community?
Hugh Douglas = As Jason said, not even on the team any more. He is irrelevant.McNabb = NOT a leader. Far from it. He was at the root of a lot of the TO mess last year. He has lost a lot of respect from his teammates the way he handled things last year and the very public way he dealt with things at the SB.

 
McNabb = NOT a leader. Far from it. He was at the root of a lot of the TO mess last year. He has lost a lot of respect from his teammates the way he handled things last year and the very public way he dealt with things at the SB.
There are others better informed than I am about the workings of the Eagles locker room, but I have to point out that that's the first I've heard of this. Should I take it as gospel from a Patriots fan?
 
McNabb = NOT a leader.  Far from it.  He was at the root of a lot of the TO mess last year.  He has lost a lot of respect from his teammates the way he handled things last year and the very public way he dealt with things at the SB.
There are others better informed than I am about the workings of the Eagles locker room, but I have to point out that that's the first I've heard of this. Should I take it as gospel from a Patriots fan?
None of us really know how much of a leader McNabb is, or is not. But certainly even the most ardent Eagles supporters [myself included] have to recognize that McNabb could have and should have handled the TO situation better.
 
I have liked Eric Moulds for several years now.  He is always in great physical condition.  He was a solid locker room leader for years in Buff.  Philly has leaders in Hugh Douglas and McNabb.  He is friends with McNabb.  They have been friends for years now.  McNabb made a push to get TO in Philly.  We all know how that turned out.  McNabb could be reluctant to make another stand for a specific player to acquire. 

I really believe Reggie Brown will develop into a solid WR#1.  But he needs a mentor.  Moulds could be that mentor.  TO was not and never did anything with the rest of the receivering group to help them. 

Moulds is making an effort to get what he can now while he has a chance.  This is sinlge opportunity to get some cash and help a team.  He wants Philly or NE for the winning opportunity.  That elusive Ring is his dream.  He knows he is not going to play in Buff.  Buff also will not trade him to NE.  They would rather cut him in late August then allow him to go to NE. 

Remember the NFL is a business. Moulds is making his business claim.  He will compramize his demands when he has something to work with.  Texas offering him (rumors - not reported) a 3 yr package just over $13M with $3.8M signing bonus give him a solid dollar to come back to Philly to let them know what he will accept to play for them.  I would expect Philly to offer under the Texas deal, but make him capable to achieve some incentives. 

I still think Moulds goes to Philly because that is where he wants to go.  He does not have to accept the bigger $ other teams offer if Philly makes a decent offer.  Something along the lines of a $3M signing bonus and 3 years at $12M total package would be close enough to say both side met in the middle and everybody would be happy.

The current Philly WR corp is below any other NFL team IMO.  Reggie Brown and Gaffney would be the starting receivers unless Moulds joins them.  With Moulds, Reggie & Eric with Greg Lewis in the slot.  Gaffney in 4 WR sets.  Pinkston is a cap cut waiting to happen.  I do not understand why he is even on the roster!
Hugh Douglas is no longer part of the team. Whether he maintains his ambassador role remains to be seen but he's currently serving as the co-host for the WIP afternoon show with Angelo Cataldi. As to Moulds' character, this is what I would like Bills homers to chime in on. Moulds came into the league as a character question [he had a pizza delivered to practice in college once, and got suspended for it...funny, but it was cause for concern on draft day] but had appeared to be a model citizen for a long time. Then, this year, he was sent home by Mike Mularkey but little more was made of the reasons behind the dismissal. Now, Mularkey is gone and it would be foolish to assume he had no culpability in any issues Moulds experienced.

Bills homers, what's the book on Moulds as a locker room guy and member of the community?
that is all old news...Moulds developed into a team leader. He used to practice with Jerry Rice during the offseasons, takes his conditioning very seriously, and was always willing to speak up when he didn't agree with something. He didn't do it in a selfish manner like some other WRs either. Moulds cares about winning more than his own individual stats and accomplishments. From everything I've read and heard, he's a great teammate and is well respected by his peers (although there was an issue with Patrick Surtain where I think Surtain accused him of spitting on him, but Moulds denied it so who knows what happened. I'm also not sure what happened with Mularkey and Moulds this year, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His character would be the last thing I'd worry about when considering adding him to my team.
 
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McNabb = NOT a leader.  Far from it.  He was at the root of a lot of the TO mess last year.  He has lost a lot of respect from his teammates the way he handled things last year and the very public way he dealt with things at the SB.
From Philadelphiaeagles.com last month:"I know he has the support to a man in the locker room," Dawkins said. "Donovan has always been a leader on this team, and that won't change."

02/03/06

And for the record, I want NO PART of Eric Moulds.

 
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I have liked Eric Moulds for several years now. He is always in great physical condition. He was a solid locker room leader for years in Buff. Philly has leaders in Hugh Douglas and McNabb. He is friends with McNabb. They have been friends for years now. McNabb made a push to get TO in Philly. We all know how that turned out. McNabb could be reluctant to make another stand for a specific player to acquire.

I really believe Reggie Brown will develop into a solid WR#1. But he needs a mentor. Moulds could be that mentor. TO was not and never did anything with the rest of the receivering group to help them.

Moulds is making an effort to get what he can now while he has a chance. This is sinlge opportunity to get some cash and help a team. He wants Philly or NE for the winning opportunity. That elusive Ring is his dream. He knows he is not going to play in Buff. Buff also will not trade him to NE. They would rather cut him in late August then allow him to go to NE.

Remember the NFL is a business. Moulds is making his business claim. He will compramize his demands when he has something to work with. Texas offering him (rumors - not reported) a 3 yr package just over $13M with $3.8M signing bonus give him a solid dollar to come back to Philly to let them know what he will accept to play for them. I would expect Philly to offer under the Texas deal, but make him capable to achieve some incentives.

I still think Moulds goes to Philly because that is where he wants to go. He does not have to accept the bigger $ other teams offer if Philly makes a decent offer. Something along the lines of a $3M signing bonus and 3 years at $12M total package would be close enough to say both side met in the middle and everybody would be happy.

The current Philly WR corp is below any other NFL team IMO. Reggie Brown and Gaffney would be the starting receivers unless Moulds joins them. With Moulds, Reggie & Eric with Greg Lewis in the slot. Gaffney in 4 WR sets. Pinkston is a cap cut waiting to happen. I do not understand why he is even on the roster!
Hugh Douglas is no longer part of the team. Whether he maintains his ambassador role remains to be seen but he's currently serving as the co-host for the WIP afternoon show with Angelo Cataldi. As to Moulds' character, this is what I would like Bills homers to chime in on. Moulds came into the league as a character question [he had a pizza delivered to practice in college once, and got suspended for it...funny, but it was cause for concern on draft day] but had appeared to be a model citizen for a long time. Then, this year, he was sent home by Mike Mularkey but little more was made of the reasons behind the dismissal. Now, Mularkey is gone and it would be foolish to assume he had no culpability in any issues Moulds experienced.

Bills homers, what's the book on Moulds as a locker room guy and member of the community?
that is all old news...Moulds developed into a team leader. He used to practice with Jerry Rice during the offseasons, takes his conditioning very seriously, and was always willing to speak up when he didn't agree with something. He didn't do it in a selfish manner like some other WRs either. Moulds cares about winning more than his own individual stats and accomplishments. From everything I've read and heard, he's a great teammate and is well respected by his peers (although there was an issue with Patrick Surtain where I think Surtain accused him of spitting on him, but Moulds denied it so who knows what happened. I'm also not sure what happened with Mularkey and Moulds this year, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His character would be the last thing I'd worry about when considering adding him to my team.
I have to disagree with this assessment of Moulds. While Moulds has as much physical ability as anyone, he is not a team leader and if he doesn't get everything his way he will be a problem. He hurt his groin a couple of years ago, and it is safe to say that he didn't come all the way back. I'd also say that even before he hurt the groin he had dropped off some from his prime. Moulds is a very good competitor. He is very physical and even if he lost something he is still better than most WRs. He needs the right kind of QB because he isn't the kind of WR that gets wide open, due to double coverage and facing the opposing team's bet CBs. But he can definitely get open, especially on button-hook routes, and if he has a QB that can fit the ball into a small space at the right time, the sky is the limit. Losman isn't this kind of QB. Bledsoe isn't either, especially if he has no pass protection. Flutie was good at throwing Moulds the up-for-grabs ball. Rob Johnson was a total 0. Moulds did well with Holcomb, which is why there was problem between him and Mularkey/Donaho who were behinf Losman.

One other thing I'll say about Moulds is that he is one pro athlete that can't afford to take a pay cut, because he has about 15 kids that he supports financially.

 
One other thing I'll say about Moulds is that he is one pro athlete that can't afford to take a pay cut, because he has about 15 kids that he supports financially.
:eek: I've never heard anything about that.
 
Who are the Eagles number two WRs?
Reggie Brown, Jabar Gaffney, Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis...tough to find a weaker WR corps around the league. Especially for a team that considers themselves Super Bowl contenders.
 
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as a philly fan i just don't know how any eagles supporter would not want moulds on the team.... look at the #s. I don't want Pinkston being the veteran wr teaching Gaffney and Reggie about going over the middle, the experience Moulds brings is clutch

Moulds last year

81 816 10.1 4

Moulds best year (2002)

100 1287 12.9 10

Gaffney best year

55 492 8.9 2

Pinkston best year (2002)

60 798 13.3 7

Reggie Brown (only year)

43 571 13.3 4

 
as a philly fan i just don't know how any eagles supporter would not want moulds on the team.... look at the #s. I don't want Pinkston being the veteran wr teaching Gaffney and Reggie about going over the middle, the experience Moulds brings is clutch

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Adding a veteran of Moulds caliber can only help the team and our young guys. as many different systems as Moulds has played in I'm sure he will pick up Philly's system quicker than most and it is not like his cost will break the bank. He is certainly not a TO replacement but he instantly make the Eagles a better team. I hope we get out there and get him.
 
look at the #s.
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:880 yards 11.4 yards/catch3.3 TDsThose #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
 
look at the #s. 
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.

 
remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when the Eagles made the Super Bowl with Pinkston, Greg Lewis and Freddie Mitchell as their top WRs in 2004?Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, James Thrash and Mitchell as their top WRs in 2003 and 2001?

Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, Thrash and Antonio Freeman as their top WRs in 2002?

Remember when the Eagles made the playoffs with Charles Johnson, Torrance Small and Na Brown as their top WRs in 2000?

I do...

Point being, I like Reggie Brown, Jabbar Gaffney and Lewis better than any of those years and they probably aren't done adding WRs yet this offseason.

 
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Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs
why would you include a year when he was playing injured (2003) and ignore his 2002 season?
Because 3 years is the standard measurement - he did play in 13 games in 2003, not like he was on IR or something. As I said, people are stupidly expecting the Moulds from 4 years ago (2002).
 
look at the #s.
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
 
look at the #s. 
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
Evans Vs Moulds is not he debate :hot:
 
look at the #s.
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
Evans Vs Moulds is not he debate :hot:
It was the point of the posts above. I pointed out that Evans outplayed Moulds the past 2 years even though he was the #2 WR in Buffalo as evidence that he (Moulds) is declining rapidly and would NOT be a great signing for the Eagles.
 
remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when the Eagles made the Super Bowl with Pinkston, Greg Lewis and Freddie Mitchell as their top WRs in 2004?Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, James Thrash and Mitchell as their top WRs in 2003 and 2001?

Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, Thrash and Antonio Freeman as their top WRs in 2002?

Remember when the Eagles made the playoffs with Charles Johnson, Torrance Small and Na Brown as their top WRs in 2000?
Remember when the Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants were all terrible? Now check out the rest of the NFC East. Back then, the Eagles were a lock to win their division and were generally able to coast to a 1st round bye. Eagles will be lucky to win their division this year, and even earning a wildcard spot is far from a sure thing. This isn't the same division it used to be and Eagles fans are kidding themselves if they think they can dominate it like they used to with inferior WRs.
 
Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs
why would you include a year when he was playing injured (2003) and ignore his 2002 season?
Because 3 years is the standard measurement - he did play in 13 games in 2003, not like he was on IR or something. As I said, people are stupidly expecting the Moulds from 4 years ago (2002).
he played most of those games with a partially torn groin muscle...not really a shock that his numbers were terrible, and it had nothing to do with age.
 
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
I think you're missing the point. Evans is not available. Moulds is. Moulds is far and away the best veteran WR available right now. If the Eagles want to upgrade their WRs, it is Moulds or possibly a rookie in the draft. I guess you can argue that they don't need Moulds to be successful, or that he's not worth the money it would cost...and that's fine (I disagree, but I can understand those arguments). But, arguing that he wouldn't be a major upgrade over the WRs currently on their roster is just plain wrong, IMHO.
 
remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when the Eagles made the Super Bowl with Pinkston, Greg Lewis and Freddie Mitchell as their top WRs in 2004?Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, James Thrash and Mitchell as their top WRs in 2003 and 2001?

Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, Thrash and Antonio Freeman as their top WRs in 2002?

Remember when the Eagles made the playoffs with Charles Johnson, Torrance Small and Na Brown as their top WRs in 2000?
Remember when the Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants were all terrible? Now check out the rest of the NFC East. Back then, the Eagles were a lock to win their division and were generally able to coast to a 1st round bye. Eagles will be lucky to win their division this year, and even earning a wildcard spot is far from a sure thing. This isn't the same division it used to be and Eagles fans are kidding themselves if they think they can dominate it like they used to with inferior WRs.
You clearly are forgetting 2000 when they were a Wild Card team and 2001 when they didn't have a bye and and 2002 and 2003 when they only won the division by 2 games. The only year they "coasted to a 1st round bye" was 2004. Who ever said they were going to dominate anything? I only said that Moulds would be a waste.
 
It was the point of the posts above. I pointed out that Evans outplayed Moulds the past 2 years even though he was the #2 WR in Buffalo as evidence that he (Moulds) is declining rapidly and would NOT be a great signing for the Eagles.
people used to say the same things about Peerless Price. How'd he do once he became the #1 in Atlanta? It's much easier to produce as a WR2 when you have Moulds drawing lots of attention on the other side of the field. We'll see how Evans does without Moulds, but I'm not too optimistic. Even though many Bills fans disagree, Moulds is still a stud WR who is more than capable of being a legit #1 for a contending team. He's not quite as explosive as he used to be, but he can still get deep, and remains one of the most physical WRs in the league.
 
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remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when 2 of his WR's booed him? If you tuned into the final game of the 4 seasons before last you'll see he probably deserved it.
 
Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs
why would you include a year when he was playing injured (2003) and ignore his 2002 season?
Because 3 years is the standard measurement - he did play in 13 games in 2003, not like he was on IR or something. As I said, people are stupidly expecting the Moulds from 4 years ago (2002).
he played most of those games with a partially torn groin muscle...not really a shock that his numbers were terrible, and it had nothing to do with age.
What does that have to do with last year's pathetic 10.1 ypc and less than 1 TD every 20 receptions??? Age is really not the issue, it's his lackluster performance since 2002.
 
remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when the Eagles made the Super Bowl with Pinkston, Greg Lewis and Freddie Mitchell as their top WRs in 2004?Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, James Thrash and Mitchell as their top WRs in 2003 and 2001?

Remember when the Eagles made the NFC Championship Game with Pinkston, Thrash and Antonio Freeman as their top WRs in 2002?

Remember when the Eagles made the playoffs with Charles Johnson, Torrance Small and Na Brown as their top WRs in 2000?
Remember when the Redskins, Cowboys, and Giants were all terrible? Now check out the rest of the NFC East. Back then, the Eagles were a lock to win their division and were generally able to coast to a 1st round bye. Eagles will be lucky to win their division this year, and even earning a wildcard spot is far from a sure thing. This isn't the same division it used to be and Eagles fans are kidding themselves if they think they can dominate it like they used to with inferior WRs.
You clearly are forgetting 2000 when they were a Wild Card team and 2001 when they didn't have a bye and and 2002 and 2003 when they only won the division by 2 games. The only year they "coasted to a 1st round bye" was 2004. Who ever said they were going to dominate anything? I only said that Moulds would be a waste.
My point is that the division is A LOT more competitive now than it used to be. Before they signed Owens, everybody knew they needed to upgrade their WR core if they wanted to get over that hump. They signed him and had a monster year...almost winning the Super bowl. Now, he's gone, and I think it's a mistake to think they will be just as good as they used to be without a true #1 WR. I think they'll still be competitive without Moulds, but I think adding him would make them much much better.
 
Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs
why would you include a year when he was playing injured (2003) and ignore his 2002 season?
Because 3 years is the standard measurement - he did play in 13 games in 2003, not like he was on IR or something. As I said, people are stupidly expecting the Moulds from 4 years ago (2002).
he played most of those games with a partially torn groin muscle...not really a shock that his numbers were terrible, and it had nothing to do with age.
What does that have to do with last year's pathetic 10.1 ypc and less than 1 TD every 20 receptions??? Age is really not the issue, it's his lackluster performance since 2002.
JP Losman down?Moulds last 3 games of 2005 season:

vs Den: 9 rec, 110 yards

vs Cin: 10 rec, 99 yards

vs NYJ: 8 rec, 96 yards, 1 TD

you're kidding yourself if you think this guy is done and couldn't help your team. he has tons of quality football left.

 
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look at the #s. 
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
Evans Vs Moulds is not he debate :hot:
It was the point of the posts above. I pointed out that Evans outplayed Moulds the past 2 years even though he was the #2 WR in Buffalo as evidence that he (Moulds) is declining rapidly and would NOT be a great signing for the Eagles.
Fact is he is better than ANY wr you have..Even if he is old
 
remember when the Eagles fans booed the drafting of Donovan McNabb?
Remember when 2 of his WR's booed him? If you tuned into the final game of the 4 seasons before last you'll see he probably deserved it.
:thumbup: they'd probably be much better off with Ricky Williams

 
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
But, arguing that he wouldn't be a major upgrade over the WRs currently on their roster is just plain wrong, IMHO.
:goodposting: It is very wrong. If Moulds does become an Eagle (sadly, still a long shot I think) I will be the first to bump this thread when he has very good stats. There is no reason to believe he is done. Players don't earn stats in a vaccum and Moulds has had more QBs and more OCs than any other number 1 WR over his career. A few people have agrued intelligently that Moulds may not be the best fit for the Eagles, I disagree, but at least the argument makes sense. The insane argument that Moulds is not an upgrade over Philly's wideouts is ridiculous. Right now the Eagles are hanging their hopes on a sophomore WR, a promising sophomore, but a sophomore none the less. As a Michael Clayton owner from last season, that is a risky proposition.

 
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Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
I think you're missing the point. Evans is not available. Moulds is. Moulds is far and away the best veteran WR available right now. If the Eagles want to upgrade their WRs, it is Moulds or possibly a rookie in the draft. I guess you can argue that they don't need Moulds to be successful, or that he's not worth the money it would cost...and that's fine (I disagree, but I can understand those arguments). But, arguing that he wouldn't be a major upgrade over the WRs currently on their roster is just plain wrong, IMHO.
Surely you can't be including Javon Walker in your assessment of who is available? Assuming you are not, I would much rather give Reggie Brown the chance to blossom than to stunt his growth and place unreasonable expectations on Moulds. He's just not a #1 WR anymore while Brown (and certainly Walker) could be.

 
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
I think you're missing the point. Evans is not available. Moulds is. Moulds is far and away the best veteran WR available right now. If the Eagles want to upgrade their WRs, it is Moulds or possibly a rookie in the draft. I guess you can argue that they don't need Moulds to be successful, or that he's not worth the money it would cost...and that's fine (I disagree, but I can understand those arguments). But, arguing that he wouldn't be a major upgrade over the WRs currently on their roster is just plain wrong, IMHO.
Surely you can't be including Javon Walker in your assessment of who is available? Assuming you are not, I would much rather give Reggie Brown the chance to blossom than to stunt his growth and place unreasonable expectations on Moulds. He's just not a #1 WR anymore while Brown (and certainly Walker) could be.
John Clayton said on ESPN today that the Packers will not be trading Walker, and he thinks they'll work out his contract demands at some point. I haven't heard that he is being shopped around in the same way Moulds is.Maybe Reggie will be the man. I still think the Eagles would be MUCH better off with Moulds/Brown as the starters than Brown/Pinkston.

 
Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs
why would you include a year when he was playing injured (2003) and ignore his 2002 season?
Because 3 years is the standard measurement - he did play in 13 games in 2003, not like he was on IR or something. As I said, people are stupidly expecting the Moulds from 4 years ago (2002).
he played most of those games with a partially torn groin muscle...not really a shock that his numbers were terrible, and it had nothing to do with age.
What does that have to do with last year's pathetic 10.1 ypc and less than 1 TD every 20 receptions??? Age is really not the issue, it's his lackluster performance since 2002.
JP Losman down?Moulds last 3 games of 2005 season:

vs Den: 9 rec, 110 yards

vs Cin: 10 rec, 99 yards

vs NYJ: 8 rec, 96 yards, 1 TD

you're kidding yourself if you think this guy is done and couldn't help your team. he has tons of quality football left.
Yes, you're right, it's all JP Losman's fault (Evans didn't also have a great game against Cincy? 107 and a TD) - what was I thinking taking his past 3 years stats and demonstrating a pattern? Moulds is AT BEST an "up and down" receiver - witness the 8 games last year of 40 yards or less to go along with the 3 you mentioned. PS

The pathetic ypc (10 rec for 99 yds etc) does NOT bode well for a WCO where YAC yards are important. I am NOT saying that 'Moulds sucks" or anything like that. Just that he is a long way from his 2002 form and it would be a waste to sign a declining player.

 
We'll take him in New England. Glad Philly fans think they have TOO MANY #2 receivers. Reggie Brown is a borderline #2 and Lewis, Pinkston and Gaffney are fillers.

I am in Philly and according to the Newspapers, Radio and Hugh Douglas, McNabb is not a real leader of that team.

No, I am not in their locker room but at minimum the locker room was split over the TO/McNabb tiff.

McNabb said that too many guys were worrying about their contracts rather than just playing football. Easy to say when you yourself have a $100 million contract. Those comments did not sit well with the rest of the team.

 
look at the #s. 
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
And Lee Evans is ALSO better than any WR on the Eagles roster.
 
look at the #s. 
Yes, lets. Moulds average #s the past 3 years:

880 yards

11.4 yards/catch

3.3 TDs

Those #s STINK for a #1 WR. Lee Evans outplayed him the past 2 years even with those terrible QBs. He is declining rapidly and I want no part of him. People are expecting the Moulds of 4 years ago. Ain't gonna happen, kids.
Lee Evans:'04 48 843 9 TDs

'05 48 743 7 TDs

Eric Moulds

'04 88 1043 5 TDs

'05 81 816 4 TDs

Less catches, less yds, more TDs... and Moulds drawing the coverage.
Half the catches, yet only 250 less yards and 7 MORE TDs. Give me Evans over Moulds any day.
Evans Vs Moulds is not he debate :hot:
It was the point of the posts above. I pointed out that Evans outplayed Moulds the past 2 years even though he was the #2 WR in Buffalo as evidence that he (Moulds) is declining rapidly and would NOT be a great signing for the Eagles.
Fact is he is better than ANY wr you have..Even if he is old
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Better players make better teams. Moulds is better than any WR you have. The only guy who COULD BE, Emphasizing COULD BE, as in has the POTENTIAL to be, is Reggie Brown. That said, he's going to have to accomplish a lot to ever measure up to what Moulds has done. Now Moulds is a little older now but I see no reason why bringing in a veteran WR, especially to augment a WRing core that is LACKING, is a bad idea. He might not throw up 1400 yards and 10 TD's but geeze, can't you see the guy is still VERY talented? There are other teams competing for his services. This guy will be making plays in the NFL next year whereas other than Reggie, I see pretty much ALL the Eagles WR's STRUGGLING to make plays. It just makes sense.

Put in another scenario. The other guy Houston went after hard was Ike Bruce. Essentially, Houston is offering Moulds about the same contract, which means they think they are similar players. You'd rather pass on Ike Bruce because he's not going to improve your WRing core of Reggie Brown (2nd year player) , Stinkston, GregLewis (Undrafted FA the Birds like and have kept around because of his low salary), the scrub from San Diego or Houston (teams that have definite WR needs), Billy McMullen, and a rookie WR (which hardly ever produce)?

Tell me his skills are declining (still a quality WR), he costs too much (I'm a franchise with a closing window of winning a Super Bowl and I think I can talk him down some) , and has a bad attitude (reflected in a competitive spirit when he's been surrounded by a crappy team that's dug it's own holes) , and hasn't produced at an elite #1 clip (reflective of the complete crap he's had on his team) and I'll gladly welcome you into my division as an owner so I'll have two easy wins every year on my NFL schedule.

For all you guys saying Moulds in not an upgrade for the Eagles, what kind of numbers do you think he'd have thrown up playing for the Rams and Eagles, two pass happy teams, the last few years? I'd dare say you'd be singing a different tune then. I'm sure Mike Martz would have loved to have had him and if he had been playing with the Eagles you might have actually won a Super Bowl or at least had a receiver other than T.O. throw up a 1,000 yard season (in a 70% pass 30% run offense no less).

I say if you guys can't be excited about giving up a 4th round pick for Eric Moulds on a reduced contract with the team you currently have (and its potential), yall' should seriously just think about resigning FREDDIE MITCHELL or some other bum. :thumbdown:

 
Moral of the story is this:

Brown's value goes up if they acquire Moulds.

Moulds makes #2 WRs look better than they are. Which in turn makes the offense better than it is without Moulds.

 

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