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Moving from Florida to Boston/New Hampshire (1 Viewer)

wilked said:
Where is your data from? Doesn’t agree with us census data I don’t think 
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/01/15/fastest-growing-and-shrinking-states-closer-look/1019429001/

Population growth was far from even across the country. While populations in the South and West together grew by 1.1% in 2016, the Northeast and Midwest grew by just 0.1%. There were eight states, mostly in the Northeast and Midwest, where the population declined. Meanwhile, the population of eight states grew by more than 1.6%.

 
eoMMan said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/01/15/fastest-growing-and-shrinking-states-closer-look/1019429001/

Population growth was far from even across the country. While populations in the South and West together grew by 1.1% in 2016, the Northeast and Midwest grew by just 0.1%. There were eight states, mostly in the Northeast and Midwest, where the population declined. Meanwhile, the population of eight states grew by more than 1.6%.
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You quoted the 8 states shrinking the most. NH wasn’t in there. :shrugs:

so it’s somewhere between 8th fastest growing and 8 fastest shrinking? 

 
wilked said:
You quoted the 8 states shrinking the most. NH wasn’t in there. :shrugs:

so it’s somewhere between 8th fastest growing and 8 fastest shrinking? 
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Use the google dude.  People and business are leaving the state.  When I get to a computer I will link it.  

 
wilked said:
Googled it. First hit

http://blog.nheconomy.com/new-hampshire-maintains-fastest-growing-economy-in-new-england/

article from 2 months ago 
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http://www.nhbr.com/May-1-2015/Will-they-stay-or-will-they-go/

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/lincoln-financial-consolidating-operations-concord

this is the group I work with to consolidate.  I read your link but I am telling you from eyes on the ground I wouldnt put NH over Florida in regards to the business atmosphere

edit to say I read the link again and they seem to be piggy backing on being so close to Boston.  Not sure if I would consider that apples to apples

 
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So right now, my thoughts are I would do it, but I think I need a little more than 35%.  Just looking quickly, it's going to cost me 30% more just going there. I can get used to the cold again and I do miss snow skiing.

 
squidrope said:
I live here NH and love this place.  But if I were you I'd stay put.  Your wife isn't any closer to "home" than where you are, and you'll be dealing with the cold and Nashua (grew up there) is an armpit IMO.
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I lost my wedding ring in the Nashua Texas Road House a year and a half ago.  I put it on the table like an idiot and someone grabbed it when I went to the bathroom.  I didn't realize until an hour later.  

 
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pantherclub said:
http://www.nhbr.com/May-1-2015/Will-they-stay-or-will-they-go/

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/lincoln-financial-consolidating-operations-concord

this is the group I work with to consolidate.  I read your link but I am telling you from eyes on the ground I wouldnt put NH over Florida in regards to the business atmosphere

edit to say I read the link again and they seem to be piggy backing on being so close to Boston.  Not sure if I would consider that apples to apples
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You linked two isolated cases.  You seem like a sharp guy, you know that isolated cases don't go far to making a broad point

High level you are correct that the South is growing in population / jobs, and the Northeast is flat / declining.  But it is not a NH thing, and if anything NH is bucking the trend compared to other Northeast states.

They also benefit from being an hour from Boston - but I don't see that as a negative personally.  It helps people like OP who might have a job offer north of Boston - people can choose to live in a lower cost of living state, or even live there based on politics or want of more land.  It sounds like you had a bad experience but you should stop short before generalizing your experience to the entire state

 
I live in Nashua. Been here about 30 years. Lived in Lowell as a kid. My thoughts.

Nothing's perfect and I will probably move somewhere warm when I'm ready to retire. Maybe 4-5 snowstorms and probably 10 days a year that are uncomfortably cold. Potholes from temperature cycles are a PITA.

However, there are a lot of pluses. Right now I can drive 5 minutes from my house and find a couple of easy wooded trails to walk or snowshoe. 40 minutes gets me to Mt Manadnock or the ocean, 2 hours to the White Mountains, 40 minutes to Boston or Portsmouth, 4.5 hours to NYC and 5.5 hours to Montreal, less than 2 hours to Foxwoods. 5 to 30 minutes gets me to probably 10 golf courses. Between Manchester and Lowell there's minor league baseball and hockey. Plenty of dining options across the price ranges. Both MHT and BOS airports have there pluses.

I've worked in Billerica and the commute will depend a lot on where you are in Billerica. I wouldn't make any assumptions. If you live in NH and work in MA, you'll have to pay the MA non-resident income tax (around 5% I think). It nice to buy things in NH and not pay a sales tax, but there is a rooms and meals tax of 9%. Nashua property tax is probably considered on the high side.

Assuming you can find something suitable, I would suggest living as close to the workplace as possible, so in MA not NH.

Edit: Probably should just acknowledge that there are pluses and minuses to living close to work in MA v over the border in NH. Just depends on your priorities. 

This may or may not be right for you. I'd be happy to try and answer any specific questions on the area.

 
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I was surprised to read that NH had the second oldest population of all the states....even older than FL. I guess in some ways that can be viewed as a positive. People like staying there.

 
brun said:
Assuming you can find something suitable, I would suggest living as close to the workplace as possible, so in MA not NH.

This may or may not be right for you. I'd be happy to try and answer any specific questions on the area.
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Why specifically would you recommend living in Mass over NH?

 
UncleZen said:
Why specifically would you recommend living in Mass over NH?
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Depends. How much do you like commuting. People have been doing the NH to MA commute since I moved here 35 years ago. Back when 495 was empty. It isn't that way any more. Lots of people come down the RT93 and RT3 highways from NH every morning. If you like commuting, great, live in NH. If not, find a place in MA. 

 
UncleZen said:
Why specifically would you recommend living in Mass over NH?
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Still paying a MA income tax. Assuming an everyday occurrence, I think a shorter commute is worth considering. Most of the things I like about living in Nashua are accessible from just across the border.

 
Chelmsford was recently voted one of the best towns in America. Real estate is a bit higher there than Billerica or Lowell, but it's a great area all around.

 
Lived in Billerica, right off the 3A (a two-lane hwy drivers treat as a four-lane), from '11-13 and here's the thing. This was an area where Bostonians used to have summer cottages & #### and now there are hundreds of thousands of people there and the infrastructure hasnt changed a bit. Forget commuting - getting pizza, taking kids to playgrounds, every drivin thing is putting you out on country lanes w city traffic. That plus the putting your life away for 5 months of winter each year. I aint no big fan of Fla - when i left MetroBoston in the 70s it was for the high desert where there's a li'l bit of season, but i'd have to be near doubled-up to make that move

ETA: this decade that i decided to move east to be near to, then take care of, aged parents has felt more like a prison term than retired life.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
Lived in Billerica, right off the 3A (a two-lane hwy drivers treat as a four-lane), from '11-13 and here's the thing. This was an area where Bostonians used to have summer cottages & #### and now there are hundreds of thousands of people there and the infrastructure hasnt changed a bit. Forget commuting - getting pizza, taking kids to playgrounds, every drivin thing is putting you out on country lanes w city traffic. That plus the putting your life away for 5 months of winter each year. I aint no big fan of Fla - when i left MetroBoston in the 70s it was for the high desert where there's a li'l bit of season, but i'd have to be near doubled-up to make that move

ETA: this decade that i decided to move east to be near to, then take care of, aged parents has felt more like a prison term than retired life.
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South Billerica is an entirely different animal than North.

As soon as you get near Burlington it turns to ####. 

 
eoMMan said:
Is a New Hampshire accent more like a Boston accent or more like a Rhode Island accent?
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NH / Maine somewhat similar I think.  The southern part of each merges with Boston accent.  Rhode Island accent is its own thing - very unique

 
TripleThreat said:
OP are you or your family outdoorsy?  

Grew up in FL, very much prefer New England to FL. 
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I like the cozy comfort of my couch and television. I do miss snow skiing though. I don't really like anything outdoors in Florida. There are gators in the bodies of water and bugs are out of this world.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Lived in Billerica, right off the 3A (a two-lane hwy drivers treat as a four-lane), from '11-13 and here's the thing. This was an area where Bostonians used to have summer cottages & #### and now there are hundreds of thousands of people there and the infrastructure hasnt changed a bit. Forget commuting - getting pizza, taking kids to playgrounds, every drivin thing is putting you out on country lanes w city traffic. That plus the putting your life away for 5 months of winter each year. I aint no big fan of Fla - when i left MetroBoston in the 70s it was for the high desert where there's a li'l bit of season, but i'd have to be near doubled-up to make that move

ETA: this decade that i decided to move east to be near to, then take care of, aged parents has felt more like a prison term than retired life.
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That's how this entire discussion with my company started. I told them that I would move up there and take the position if they doubled my salary. If they did do that, I wouldn't even be discussing this.

 
UncleZen said:
That's how this entire discussion with my company started. I told them that I would move up there and take the position if they doubled my salary. If they did do that, I wouldn't even be discussing this.
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Yeah, i wouldnt have the handle i do if i didnt have a special affection for my home town, but there's just no ease to liviing inside the 495 anymore and there aint that much plus unless you're by the ocean or on a subway line into the city. Havent been to Cocoa since i bugged my ol' man to drive us down for a space launch in the 60s, but it sho seemed chill then. Your 1/3 will be swallowed up by real estate and your wife will be 5 hrs from her Jersey peeps instead of 12. If you were chasin a dream i could see it, but that's the only way it makes sense to me. GL, whatever -

 
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