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My 2006 Rookie RB Chart (1 Viewer)

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Here's my system for ranking this season's top rookie RBs. Obviously, I think their are closer than their ADP reveals:

Skill Athleticism Situation Competition Attititude Durability Total

Bush 5 5 3 3 5 3 24

Maroney 3 4 4 4 5 3 23

DeAngelo 4 4 4 3 5 4 24

Addai 3 4 5 4 5 2 23

White 4 4 4 3 3 4 22

Drew 3 3 3 3 5 3 20

Norwood 3 4 4 3 5 3 22

Calhoun 4 4 3 3 4 4 22

I'll add an updated chart just below this original one as criticism and insight is posted on this thread. So feel free to comment and complain as to the above content.

A couple notes on the categories:

Skill: refers to the individual RB's running instinct and talent. Bush sets the curve at 5, but I believe that White, DeAngelo, and Calhoun are loaded with skill as well.

Athleticism: includes strength, power, agility, speed, and cutting ability. Like skill, you evaluate a power back like White differently than a speed/finesse player like Bush, so the number reflects the individual player's package.

Situation: refers to the team and offense the player will play on

Competition: focuses on the degree of difficulty the player will have in beating out competition for the feature role in the near future. The number is low if the player will have a high degree of competition for touches.

Attitude: Drops if character/work ethic issues have come to the surface

Durability: the ability of the RB to carry a 20+ load. I've giving RBs like Calhoun and DeAnglelo higher marks here because they carried such a load in college. I need some input on Drew and Norwood though.

A final note: this chart is kind of a hybrid of dynasty/redraft, giving slightly more weight to the dynasty/long term side of things, while paying attention to the short term. Have at it!

UPDATED CHART: (changes in bold)

Skill Athleticism Situation Competition Attititude Durability Total

Bush 5 5 3 3 5 3 24

Maroney 3 4 4 4 5 3 23

DeAngelo 4 4 4 3 5 4 24

Addai 3 4 5 4 5 2 23

White 4 4 4 4 3 4 22

Drew 3 3 3 3 2 3 17

Norwood 3 4 4 4 5 3 23

Calhoun 4 4 3 3 4 4 22

 
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M.Drew - Attitude : 5?

missing part of camp because you are being arraigned on felony assault charges does not drop your attitude but pulling your hamstring does? Seems like you just want to subtract from L. White.

 
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On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.

 
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Here's my system for ranking this season's top rookie RBs. Obviously, I think their are closer than their ADP reveals:

Skill Athleticism Situation Competition Attititude Durability Total

Bush 5 5 3 3 5 3 24

Maroney 3 4 4 4 5 3 23

DeAngelo 4 4 4 3 5 4 24

Addai 3 4 5 4 5 2 23

White 4 4 4 3 3 4 22

Drew 3 3 3 3 5 3 20

Norwood 3 4 4 3 5 3 22

Calhoun 4 4 3 3 4 4 23

I'll add an updated chart just below this original one as criticism and insight is posted on this thread. So feel free to comment and complain as to the above content.

A couple notes on the categories:

Skill: refers to the individual RB's running instinct and talent. Bush sets the curve at 5, but I believe that White, DeAngelo, and Calhoun are loaded with skill as well.

Athleticism: includes strength, power, agility, speed, and cutting ability. Like skill, you evaluate a power back like White differently than a speed/finesse player like Bush, so the number reflects the individual player's package.

Situation: refers to the team and offense the player will play on

Competition: focuses on the degree of difficulty the player will have in beating out competition for the feature role in the near future. The number is low if the player will have a high degree of competition for touches.

Attitude: Drops if character/work ethic issues have come to the surface

Durability: the ability of the RB to carry a 20+ load. I've giving RBs like Calhoun and DeAnglelo higher marks here because they carried such a load in college. I need some input on Drew and Norwood though.

A final note: this chart is kind of a hybrid of dynasty/redraft, giving slightly more weight to the dynasty/long term side of things, while paying attention to the short term. Have at it!
So at pick 1.01 in a rookie draft, you could pick Bush or Williams? Pick 1.03 Maroney or Calhoun? Both equal?

Pick 1.05 Norwood or White?

Everyone pretty much comes out to the same score. Out of 30, Bush should be about 28. Very few RBs are going to grade higher. Calhoun, at best should be 12-13. Drew should be about 14-15 (1 for character).

Really this chart would justify you taking Calhoun 1.01 over Bush. 24 vs 23 is really a coin flip. Or maybe I'm confused as how I'm suppose to use the chart.

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB. Realise that his average TD was scored from 32 yards out in 2005. YES he is going to be a playmaker, but he isnt going to be that much of a superior athlete than he was in college. He wont be the fastest player by far on the field, and he will have NFL tacklers taking NFL angles on him. Also he will have NFL defensive linemen in front of him.

Now I think Bush is going to be a really really good player in this league and a blast to watch. But lets not put him in the Hall of Fame yet.

Just my opinion but I dont understand why all the hype for Reggie Bush.

 
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On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB. Realise that his average TD was scored from 32 yards out in 2005. YES he is going to be a playmaker, but he isnt going to be that much of a superior athlete than he was in college. He wont be the fastest player by far on the field, and he will have NFL tacklers taking NFL angles on him. Also he will have NFL defensive linemen in front of him.

Now I think Bush is going to be a really really good player in this league and a blast to watch. But lets not put him in the Hall of Fame yet.

Just my opinion but I dont understand why all the hype for Reggie Bush.
but this is comparing him to other rookie RB's not HoFers. ???
 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
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On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I actually think Calhoun was the best RB in the big 10 last year, and I'm a MN Gophers homer. Calhoun compared himself to Bush, and after watching his Auburn game and his highlight films, I can at least see space the comparison if Calhoun gets a shot to be the feature down the road. He certainly is of the Chris Perry/Reggie Bush kind of mold coming out of college, IMO.But draft him over Bush? No way. I drafted him at 2.1 this year.

 
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On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB. Realise that his average TD was scored from 32 yards out in 2005. YES he is going to be a playmaker, but he isnt going to be that much of a superior athlete than he was in college. He wont be the fastest player by far on the field, and he will have NFL tacklers taking NFL angles on him. Also he will have NFL defensive linemen in front of him.

Now I think Bush is going to be a really really good player in this league and a blast to watch. But lets not put him in the Hall of Fame yet.

Just my opinion but I dont understand why all the hype for Reggie Bush.
RB taken 2nd overall. I don't care who it is. I'm not drafting Calhoun at 1.01, who went to the Lions, in the 3rd round. Who are you drafting at 1.01 in a rookie dynasty draft?

And all the guy said was "there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23)" which is 100% true. That's like ranking Brown 24, and Arrington 23 last year. And Arrington was picked 40 picks ahead of Calhoun.

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB. Realise that his average TD was scored from 32 yards out in 2005. YES he is going to be a playmaker, but he isnt going to be that much of a superior athlete than he was in college. He wont be the fastest player by far on the field, and he will have NFL tacklers taking NFL angles on him. Also he will have NFL defensive linemen in front of him.

Now I think Bush is going to be a really really good player in this league and a blast to watch. But lets not put him in the Hall of Fame yet.

Just my opinion but I dont understand why all the hype for Reggie Bush.
RB taken 2nd overall. I don't care who it is. I'm not drafting Calhoun at 1.01, who went to the Lions, in the 3rd round. Who are you drafting at 1.01 in a rookie dynasty draft?

And all the guy said was "there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23)" which is 100% true. That's like ranking Brown 24, and Arrington 23 last year. And Arrington was picked 40 picks ahead of Calhoun.
Just a question, Why is that 100% true, what are you basing that on? The point system the way I read it is based on 5 criteria, SKill, Athelticism, Situation , Competition, Attitude. No where does it mention draft position. Without naming them, the league has seen plenty of washout 1st round running backs and late round gems. Draft position does not equate to stardom.

 
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Competition: focuses on the degree of difficulty the player will have in beating out competition for the feature role in the near future. The number is low if the player will have a high degree of competition for touches.

White 4 4 4 3 3 4 22
Should bump up White a point based on competition. Chris Brown has 1 year left on his contract and Travis Henry is 1 puff away from a year ban. Both of those guys are injuries waiting to happen. If Maroney is a 4 due to Dillon's age, White is definitely the same or better due to contract status, health, and a lack of anythng resembling a pro-bowler in front of him.

 
  Competition: focuses on the degree of difficulty the player will have in beating out competition for the feature role in the near future.  The number is low if the player will have a high degree of competition for touches.

White 4              4              4              3              3              4              22
Should bump up White a point based on competition. Chris Brown has 1 year left on his contract and Travis Henry is 1 puff away from a year ban. Both of those guys are injuries waiting to happen. If Maroney is a 4 due to Dillon's age, White is definitely the same or better due to contract status, health, and a lack of anythng resembling a pro-bowler in front of him.
Done. Good feedback.Keep it coming boys... :yes:

 
M.Drew - Attitude : 5?

missing part of camp because you are being arraigned on felony assault charges does not drop your attitude but pulling your hamstring does? Seems like you just want to subtract from L. White.
I love White. I own White... but he has more problems than just a hammy. He's way underdeveloped in terms of upperbody strength, which demonstrates his past committment to being ready to compete at an NFL level. If you can demonstrate how he's more committed to developing and growing to be an NFL caliber power back along the lines of Bettis, post it please. Till then, I can't give him a big number for attitude.
 
Why is Bush a 3 for durability? As far as I can tell he's never missed a game due to injury.

I also can't see why Bush should get a 3 for situation. As far as I can tell, situation means supporting cast (not including RB, which is for competition). Drew Brees, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, Sean Payton seems pretty decent to me. Not sure why he's ranked last for situation.

I'm also confused why Kevin Jones, DeShaun Foster, Fred Taylor, Deuce McAllister and Warrick Dunn are in one tier, and Dominic Rhodes and Corey Dillon are in another.

 
M.Drew - Attitude : 5?

missing part of camp because you are being arraigned on felony assault charges does not drop your attitude but pulling your hamstring does? Seems like you just want to subtract from L. White.
I love White. I own White... but he has more problems than just a hammy. He's way underdeveloped in terms of upperbody strength, which demonstrates his past committment to being ready to compete at an NFL level. If you can demonstrate how he's more committed to developing and growing to be an NFL caliber power back along the lines of Bettis, post it please. Till then, I can't give him a big number for attitude.
I'm not sure how much bench pressing has to do with being an NFL running back, but I'm even less sure what it has to do with attitude.
 
Like these numbers alot - had these guys rated in your same order. Definetly think Addai is likely on the same level as Norwood and Calhoun, but has a golden oppurtunity from a fantasy standpoint. Calhoun and Norwood could be big time steals if given the chance.

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB.
None of these guys have proven anything yet - this is a thread about ROOKIE rbs.My point wasn't that Bush is great. It was simply that there is no way - on any scale - that Bush or Williams should be only 1 pt ahead of Calhoun. And there is no way Calhoun should be tied with Maroney.

But as for proving things on the NFL level - none of them have. So should none of them be drafted at all - in any round?!

 
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On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB.
None of these guys have proven anything yet - this is a thread about ROOKIE rbs.My point wasn't that Bush is great. It was simply that there is no way - on any scale - that Bush or Williams should be tied with Calhoun. And there is no way Calhoun should be tied with Maroney.

But as for proving things on the NFL level - none of them have. So should none of them be drafted at all - in any round?!
HTH,What would you change -- what ranks would you give Bush, Calhoun and Maroney? Or what do you think is wrong with his system?

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB.
None of these guys have proven anything yet - this is a thread about ROOKIE rbs.My point wasn't that Bush is great. It was simply that there is no way - on any scale - that Bush or Williams should be tied with Calhoun. And there is no way Calhoun should be tied with Maroney.

But as for proving things on the NFL level - none of them have. So should none of them be drafted at all - in any round?!
HTH,What would you change -- what ranks would you give Bush, Calhoun and Maroney? Or what do you think is wrong with his system?
One problem with the system is that 1-5 does not recognize the talent discrepency here ...A ten point scale may be more appropriate ...

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB. Realise that his average TD was scored from 32 yards out in 2005. YES he is going to be a playmaker, but he isnt going to be that much of a superior athlete than he was in college. He wont be the fastest player by far on the field, and he will have NFL tacklers taking NFL angles on him. Also he will have NFL defensive linemen in front of him.

Now I think Bush is going to be a really really good player in this league and a blast to watch. But lets not put him in the Hall of Fame yet.

Just my opinion but I dont understand why all the hype for Reggie Bush.
RB taken 2nd overall. I don't care who it is. I'm not drafting Calhoun at 1.01, who went to the Lions, in the 3rd round. Who are you drafting at 1.01 in a rookie dynasty draft?

And all the guy said was "there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23)" which is 100% true. That's like ranking Brown 24, and Arrington 23 last year. And Arrington was picked 40 picks ahead of Calhoun.
Just a question, Why is that 100% true, what are you basing that on? The point system the way I read it is based on 5 criteria, SKill, Athelticism, Situation , Competition, Attitude. No where does it mention draft position. Without naming them, the league has seen plenty of washout 1st round running backs and late round gems. Draft position does not equate to stardom.
Maybe I'm missing the point. Well, clearly I am.What the hell would you actually use this for? All the RBs are mostly ranked the same. So you can't use it for drafting. Take Calhoun over Maroney? Seriously?

A real nfl grading? Clearly not. Bush barely grades out ahead of the other 5 RBs.

I just don't see what I'd use this for. Or anyone would use this for. Like I said, all the RBs grade out pretty much the same. So its a flaw in the scoring, or the grading.

Even Rev said he wouldn't take Calhoun till 2.01. So uhh what is this for? To show that all RBs are pretty much the same? Calhoun scores higher then Addai, but he'd draft Addai before him?

Again, I'm confused.

 
On a scale where a RB can have a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 30 points, there is no way Bush should be only 1 higher than Calhoun (24 to 23) - or that Calhoun and Maroney should be tied (both at 23).

Just my two cents.
I just am not on the reggie bush bandwagon (yet). As great as he was in college and as fun as he was to watch, he hasnt done anything on the NFL level yet. I also dont think bush will ever be a 25 touch per game RB.
None of these guys have proven anything yet - this is a thread about ROOKIE rbs.My point wasn't that Bush is great. It was simply that there is no way - on any scale - that Bush or Williams should be tied with Calhoun. And there is no way Calhoun should be tied with Maroney.

But as for proving things on the NFL level - none of them have. So should none of them be drafted at all - in any round?!
HTH,What would you change -- what ranks would you give Bush, Calhoun and Maroney? Or what do you think is wrong with his system?
Fair question.I marked in () after the score if I truly disagreed with the original poster's score.

Bush = 26

Skill - 5

Athleticism - 5

Situation - 4 (Original poster gave 3. Not sure why. He defined "situation" as team and offense. 2 solid WRs in Horn and Stallworth with a better QB than last year (imo) is pretty decent. Not perfect, but certainly good.)

Competition - 3

Attitude - 5

Durability 4 (Original poster gave a 3 here. Again, not sure why. You can't hold it against him that USC had White. How do we know if White wasn't there that Bush couldn't have handled more carries?!)

Calhoun = 19

Skill - 3.5(if Bush gets 5s at both Skill and Athleticism; and Maroney gets 4s at both; then I find it hard to give Calhoun 4s as well. Based simply on skill, talent, strength, speed, quickness, etc - I think Maroney is better than Calhoun - and consequently, I can't give Calhoun 4s here.,)

Ath - 3.5

Situation - 2 (Since again this is based on team and offense, I don't see how you can rank Det's offensive situation as 3 of 5. They have stunk. The WRs have fallen far below expectations despite 3 in 3 yrs in the top 10 overall selected. By most people's standards, KJ was a disappointment last year. He simply did not start off 2005 like he finished 2004. And while Harrington stunk and has now departed, it is unfair to have truly high expectations for Kitna or McCown. I can name at least 20 QBs I would prefer over either Kitna or McCown. Quite simply this offense is below average (hence to 2 of 5) as opposed to slightly better than average (which poster thinks since he gave 3 of 5))

Comp - 2 (Here's my thought process here. If Bush's comp score was a 3, than Calhoun's is a 2. Reasons: 1) Kevin Jones appears more durable than Deuce McAllister. KJ played in 28 gms last 2 years; Deuce played in 19. If you look at just last year, then it is 13 games to 5, respectively. Deuce simply hasn't shown that he fully recovered from that torn ACL. 2) Bush has better skill & athleticism than Calhoun, thus, the coaches will want to work him in more. 3) Stemming off of #2...Bush was drafted to at least eventually be the starter. Calhoun was brought in, imo, to be more of a situation and change-of-pace RB. I think Detroit still believes in KJ. So I think Bush will see more carries than Calhoun. And consequently, their competition scores should not be the same.)

Att - 4

Dur -4

Maroney = 24

Skill - 4 (not sure why the original poster gave him a 3 here)

Ath - 4

Sit - 4

Comp - 3 (differ from original post here; On one hand Dillon is only 1 yr removed from his 1600+ rushing yards; plus he still managed 12 tds in a somewhat injured season. On the other hand, he failed to stay healthy enough to get 1000 yds last year, will turn 32 this season, and even when he was healthy last year he only managed 3.5 ypc. To me, this is a 3.)

Att - 5

Dur - 4 (not sure how he could be a 3? Let's look at his most recent season. Last year, he only missed 1 game. In the other 10 that he did play in, he rushed the ball 281 times. That's 28.1 carries a game. How is that not durable?! Would have gotten a 5 if it wasn't for that 1 game.)

As a side note, I don't like the scoring system the original poster used. I used it above so we could compare apples to apples, but it doesn't mean it is what I would use. Skill and opportunity is the most important thing, imo. And this above system ranks 6 categories equally.

 
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Why is Bush a 3 for durability? As far as I can tell he's never missed a game due to injury.

I also can't see why Bush should get a 3 for situation. As far as I can tell, situation means supporting cast (not including RB, which is for competition). Drew Brees, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, Sean Payton seems pretty decent to me. Not sure why he's ranked last for situation.

I'm also confused why Kevin Jones, DeShaun Foster, Fred Taylor, Deuce McAllister and Warrick Dunn are in one tier, and Dominic Rhodes and Corey Dillon are in another.
Bush's 3 for Durability: Playing next to White meant he was spared from most of the punishing blows that he will need to withstand at the NFL level. Unlike DeAngelo and Calhoun, Bush has not been used as a traditional 'feature back,' which means that he hasn't proven himself as far as his durability is concerned. One could certainly argue that Deuce will serve as the new "bruiser" as at Bush's side (as White was at USC), so that durability is less a concern. You could also argue that guys like Chris Perry were durable as feature backs in college but have struggled to stay healthy in the pro's. However, since the best indicator of future performance is past performance, Bush's durability is a question mark for me. Bush's 3 for situation: Seems clear to me. A) He didn't get drafted to be the feature back for the Colts, Bears, Panthers, Patriots, etc. He got drafted by the Saints, not necessarily a football powerhouse. B) He is playing beside Deuce. Deuce has had marvellous success running and recieving. If he can fully recover, it will be next to impossible to outright displace him. Some kind of committee or shared load is more likely. Simply put, Bush wont just walk in and make a recovered Deuce his waterboy. Yes, Bush will get touches many ways, but Deuce is going to eat into them.

As to the question about tiers and competitor RB's, you may have a point. Rhodes may be in a lower class of his own... or maybe with some of the older guys... But Drew is walking into a situation where Taylor is far from his only competition.

 
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Maybe I'm missing the point. Well, clearly I am.

What the hell would you actually use this for? All the RBs are mostly ranked the same. So you can't use it for drafting. Take Calhoun over Maroney? Seriously?

A real nfl grading? Clearly not. Bush barely grades out ahead of the other 5 RBs.

I just don't see what I'd use this for. Or anyone would use this for. Like I said, all the RBs grade out pretty much the same. So its a flaw in the scoring, or the grading.

Even Rev said he wouldn't take Calhoun till 2.01. So uhh what is this for? To show that all RBs are pretty much the same? Calhoun scores higher then Addai, but he'd draft Addai before him?

Again, I'm confused.
Here's the point: this chart doesn't just compute and spit out the best RB. It allows one to evaluate a given RB from a given standpoint, such as competition. Then, depending on you value that area, it's up to you to decide how much weight to give to that variable. For me, skill and competition are weighted far more than any other category, so that dictates where I draft... I almost didn't put the total in there, because it would confuse readers as to the point of the chart.

Also, I drafted Calhoun at 2.1 because that was about where I could get him... so I traded for the pick. I never overpay for a guy if I know no one else values him where I do. I pay the going rate. However, If I knew that the guy at 1.10 would have drafted Calhoun, I'd have gotten the 1.9 and drafted him there. I like him alot.

Hope that clarifies.

 

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