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[prosopis]

How tall are some of you guys that are dropping down into the 150s?ETA: About 3 years ago I weighed 155. At 5'10" that was not a good weight for me.

I am 5'7" and I am targeting 145-150

That's nuts. If I ever get to 175 I'll be thrilled and that's at 5'8". I think I'd lose every ounce of muscle I have to drop to 150....

I am at 154 now with 14% body fat. I figure at 145 I should have less then 10% body fat which is my goal. I was at 175 and looked pregnant. I wont be mistaken for a body builder but that is not what I am going for. I do lots of cardio with some weights mixed in.

 

[prosopis]

Down 2 more pounds and have 1 to go for the top end of my goal weight (and 25 total lost) - been a good 4 months so far. The 2 pounds DOES put my BMI in the healthy category for the first time in a long time.

As far as the tips being shared:

1. Breakfast - I haven't been a breakfast person most of my life. It's routine now and I couldn't do without.

2. I try logging my meals for the day early in the morning. This keeps me "on task" and let's me know how I can snack and is motivation to work out in the evening.

3. Losing weight with others. My wife is down over 30 pounds in the same 4 months and I haven't seen her this happy/motivated in years. Sharing healthy meals is great (especially when she complements me on what I cook).

4. I have started eating some comfort foods again over the last month. I won't make them until I figure out the calorie/nutrition values though and make sure I can stay below my daily goal with some good exercise. I started for cholesterol concerns so I can't go overboard on that either way.

5. WATER, WATER, WATER - living in the desert in the summer drives one to water naturally but I have doubled my old in-take (drink around 80-96 ounces per day)

6. As mentioned above - push myself to workout. I have days were I have ZERO desire to do that Those are my best workout days though. We have started to vary the type of workouts we do. That is important to me as well since I get bored.

LASTLY, thanks to this thread and everyone who has participated. I picked up some MFP buddies who inspire me and there is some awesome advice and encouragement being shared.

Where you at? I am just outside of Tucson.

 

[prosopis]

Any idea how many calories would be in homemade fresh salsa? I made up a batch the other night and have plenty of Roma tomatoes to make more.Roma tomatoesJalapeñoGarlicOnionCornBlack beansGarlic saltLime JuiceLemon Juice.Opted for Tostitos Multigrain Scoops. Any healthier chip choices out there?

Other than the chips, next to nothing probably. Find out what a serving is and divide accordingly. Close counts in calories and grenades

I did weight watchers years ago and home made salsa was one of those golden foods at zero points. I usually dont use black beans and that may add some cals to it. Check on MFP for cals in black beans.

 

[prosopis]

Any idea how many calories would be in homemade fresh salsa? I made up a batch the other night and have plenty of Roma tomatoes to make more.Roma tomatoesJalapeñoGarlicOnionCornBlack beansGarlic saltCilantroLime JuiceLemon Juice.Opted for Tostitos Multigrain Scoops. Any healthier chip choices out there?

Store brand salsa has 10 calories per 2 tblsp. Add some calories for the corn & beans Im guessing like 30-40 calories per 2 tbspl

home made salsa will have less cals then store bought. I believe they add sugars and other crap. Always make your own salsa. Better for you and tastes better.

 

[NewlyRetired]

How tall are some of you guys that are dropping down into the 150s?ETA: About 3 years ago I weighed 155. At 5'10" that was not a good weight for me.

I am 5'7" and I am targeting 145-150

That's nuts. If I ever get to 175 I'll be thrilled and that's at 5'8". I think I'd lose every ounce of muscle I have to drop to 150....

I am at 154 now with 14% body fat. I figure at 145 I should have less then 10% body fat which is my goal. I was at 175 and looked pregnant. I wont be mistaken for a body builder but that is not what I am going for. I do lots of cardio with some weights mixed in.

I am probably too afraid to try but in case i want to, how do you measure body fat at home?

 

[prosopis]

Back to logging. Just drank a beer on my train commute home, but still 900 calories left for dinner and wine. All good. I'm bummed I went off the rails in the past few weeks. I was doing well. The big killer was weekends, killed all my motivation with some big meals out. Wife and I discussed this morning and decided we are not going to eat out regularly anymore. This should be a huge help this time.

Keep trying. I am not a fan of the disparaging comments towards you in here. Losing weight and changing the way you eat/live is a huge deal. You can fail 100 times but keep at it because when it clicks it is worth it. I was a long time smoker and I bet I quit over 100 times before it took. I just celebrated 14 years smoke free.* Dont take this wrong I still think your a city slicker metro

 

[prosopis]

How tall are some of you guys that are dropping down into the 150s?ETA: About 3 years ago I weighed 155. At 5'10" that was not a good weight for me.

I am 5'7" and I am targeting 145-150

That's nuts. If I ever get to 175 I'll be thrilled and that's at 5'8". I think I'd lose every ounce of muscle I have to drop to 150....

I am at 154 now with 14% body fat. I figure at 145 I should have less then 10% body fat which is my goal. I was at 175 and looked pregnant. I wont be mistaken for a body builder but that is not what I am going for. I do lots of cardio with some weights mixed in.

I am probably too afraid to try but in case i want to, how do you measure body fat at home?

I bought a fancy scale. Does weight,body fat,water content.

 

[NewlyRetired]

How tall are some of you guys that are dropping down into the 150s?ETA: About 3 years ago I weighed 155. At 5'10" that was not a good weight for me.

I am 5'7" and I am targeting 145-150

That's nuts. If I ever get to 175 I'll be thrilled and that's at 5'8". I think I'd lose every ounce of muscle I have to drop to 150....

I am at 154 now with 14% body fat. I figure at 145 I should have less then 10% body fat which is my goal. I was at 175 and looked pregnant. I wont be mistaken for a body builder but that is not what I am going for. I do lots of cardio with some weights mixed in.

I am probably too afraid to try but in case i want to, how do you measure body fat at home?

I bought a fancy scale. Does weight,body fat,water content.

Cool. I did not know those features came in a scale.

 

[Otis]

Back to logging. Just drank a beer on my train commute home, but still 900 calories left for dinner and wine. All good. I'm bummed I went off the rails in the past few weeks. I was doing well. The big killer was weekends, killed all my motivation with some big meals out. Wife and I discussed this morning and decided we are not going to eat out regularly anymore. This should be a huge help this time.

Keep trying. I am not a fan of the disparaging comments towards you in here. Losing weight and changing the way you eat/live is a huge deal. You can fail 100 times but keep at it because when it clicks it is worth it. I was a long time smoker and I bet I quit over 100 times before it took. I just celebrated 14 years smoke free.* Dont take this wrong I still think your a city slicker metro

Thanks good buddy.

 

[shadyridr]

Any idea how many calories would be in homemade fresh salsa? I made up a batch the other night and have plenty of Roma tomatoes to make more.Roma tomatoesJalapeñoGarlicOnionCornBlack beansGarlic saltCilantroLime JuiceLemon Juice.Opted for Tostitos Multigrain Scoops. Any healthier chip choices out there?

Store brand salsa has 10 calories per 2 tblsp. Add some calories for the corn & beans Im guessing like 30-40 calories per 2 tbspl

home made salsa will have less cals then store bought. I believe they add sugars and other crap. Always make your own salsa. Better for you and tastes better.

Tostitos has 10 calories per 2 tablespoons and 1g sugarhttp://fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/tostitos/medium-salsa

 

[Tick]

This has been mentioned multiple times already but beware of the biking stats in terms of calories burned. If you are using a stationary bike, make sure you choose stationary specifically and be careful with the numbers. When I first did it MFP was telling me I was burning double what the gym cycle was telling me and I could tell from my sweat equity that the gym cycle was likely much more accurate.

There are two very different types of exercise bikes. There's one where you're sitting back and only using your legs. The other you're sitting up and leaning into the handle bars (think spin class); these bikes don't have the high-backseat, just a normal 10-speed like seat. With the spinc class type bike, it's much closer to riding a street bike outside because you're using a lot more of your upper body.When I do the spin class bike, I log biking. When I do the sit back type one, I log the stationaly bike. I can tell a huge difference between the two during a 30 min workout.

I did the "sit up" bike today and I can all but gaurentee MFP was way off, by more than a factor of 2 when logging "biking". There is no way on gods green earth that I burned close to 500 calories that MFP was trying to claim. I had to switch to stationary biking moderate effort before I got close to what the gym bike was telling me.

From what I've seen, the numbers for biking match well with single-track mountain biking.

 

[Tick]

One thing I would add is make sure you eat breakfast - just something to get your metabolism started early in the day. even something small like a yogurt, some fruit, or a bowl of cereal, it's something.

I keep a box of instant oatmeal at work. One packet in a mug every morning works well for me, and it's only somewhere around 110 calories (depending on flavor).

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I think it's important to understand that everyone has a bad day. The important thing is to get back on the horse the next day. Don't let one bad day become 2 bad days, a week, or a month.

 

[Tick]

Does greek yogurt taste more like Yoplait or like a yogurt I would get at a pinkberry?

You will have to give it a try. I love it, but I had my sister try it and she hated it. I did try eating a plain one that I picked up by mistake. I couldn't do it, it has to have fruit. The plain does taste a lot like sour cream though.

Eating some now, thanks to this thread btw. It's definitely different than regular yogurt, plain is bitter & sour, need to get some with fruit. I settled on the Dannon Oikos, good stuff. About 10-30 less calories per serving, it appears you get more and has some added extra "good stuff" in it i.e. more protein, potassium, etc. Good stuff guys, thanks for the recommendation

My wife's been making her own Greek yogurt from milk... it's more work than I'd be willing to do, but I sure do love that she does it. The stuff's great - I prefer hers to the store-bought varieties.

 

[Tick]

The lowest cal chips I have seen are the baked Tostitos.

These actually don't suck, if you're just using them as salsa vehicles.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Does greek yogurt taste more like Yoplait or like a yogurt I would get at a pinkberry?

You will have to give it a try. I love it, but I had my sister try it and she hated it. I did try eating a plain one that I picked up by mistake. I couldn't do it, it has to have fruit. The plain does taste a lot like sour cream though.

Eating some now, thanks to this thread btw. It's definitely different than regular yogurt, plain is bitter & sour, need to get some with fruit. I settled on the Dannon Oikos, good stuff. About 10-30 less calories per serving, it appears you get more and has some added extra "good stuff" in it i.e. more protein, potassium, etc. Good stuff guys, thanks for the recommendation

My wife's been making her own Greek yogurt from milk... it's more work than I'd be willing to do, but I sure do love that she does it. The stuff's great - I prefer hers to the store-bought varieties.

Ive never been a fan of greek yogurt, but the Oikos fruit on the bottom is pretty decent

 

[phishphan]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#.

I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

 

[pacman_fl]

Down 2 more pounds and have 1 to go for the top end of my goal weight (and 25 total lost) - been a good 4 months so far. The 2 pounds DOES put my BMI in the healthy category for the first time in a long time.

As far as the tips being shared:

1. Breakfast - I haven't been a breakfast person most of my life. It's routine now and I couldn't do without.

2. I try logging my meals for the day early in the morning. This keeps me "on task" and let's me know how I can snack and is motivation to work out in the evening.

3. Losing weight with others. My wife is down over 30 pounds in the same 4 months and I haven't seen her this happy/motivated in years. Sharing healthy meals is great (especially when she complements me on what I cook).

4. I have started eating some comfort foods again over the last month. I won't make them until I figure out the calorie/nutrition values though and make sure I can stay below my daily goal with some good exercise. I started for cholesterol concerns so I can't go overboard on that either way.

5. WATER, WATER, WATER - living in the desert in the summer drives one to water naturally but I have doubled my old in-take (drink around 80-96 ounces per day)

6. As mentioned above - push myself to workout. I have days were I have ZERO desire to do that Those are my best workout days though. We have started to vary the type of workouts we do. That is important to me as well since I get bored.

LASTLY, thanks to this thread and everyone who has participated. I picked up some MFP buddies who inspire me and there is some awesome advice and encouragement being shared.

Where you at? I am just outside of Tucson.

Reno - high desert (you wouldn't know it in the winter, right?) - the last few weeks have SUCKED for my walking at timing it right (morning is the best time but my schedule doesn't work). It still beats Vegas or Arizona.

 

[pacman_fl]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Went away on a fishing trip with the old man for 5 days and put on 6 lbs. Sitting on a boat, eating, drinking and bsing for 10-12 hours a day apparently does not assist in weight loss. Back to the grind stone.

5 pounds for me would be devastating but at your size aren't you just one or two good dumps away from being even?

Took your advice last night. It was not as bad as I thought, I only put on 4.5 lbs.

 

[phishphan]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

 

[Guest]

I think my scale is broke. I have weighed exactly the same, to the decimal, for the last 3 days.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Went away on a fishing trip with the old man for 5 days and put on 6 lbs. Sitting on a boat, eating, drinking and bsing for 10-12 hours a day apparently does not assist in weight loss. Back to the grind stone.

5 pounds for me would be devastating but at your size aren't you just one or two good dumps away from being even?

Took your advice last night. It was not as bad as I thought, I only put on 4.5 lbs.

lol

 

[NewlyRetired]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

congrats!! Stick to what is working for you especially if the cheat night is helping you make it through the other 6 days.One thing I have learned is that there is absolutely no one correct answer for this stuff that works for every person the same. The variable differences between two people is so big that what works for one, does not always work for the other in the same measurements.In the end, I think all that can be said for each person is if you eat less and exercise more, you are headed in the right direction. After that you need to find out individually what works best for your body and what works best for your mind (a very underrated part of this IMO).

 

[phishphan]

Went away on a fishing trip with the old man for 5 days and put on 6 lbs. Sitting on a boat, eating, drinking and bsing for 10-12 hours a day apparently does not assist in weight loss. Back to the grind stone.

did you weigh when you got back? I'd be willing to bet some of that is water retention from the bad eating. You'll probably have a better idea of what you really gained after a few days back watching what you eat.

 

[phishphan]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

congrats!! Stick to what is working for you especially if the cheat night is helping you make it through the other 6 days.One thing I have learned is that there is absolutely no one correct answer for this stuff that works for every person the same. The variable differences between two people is so big that what works for one, does not always work for the other in the same measurements.In the end, I think all that can be said for each person is if you eat less and exercise more, you are headed in the right direction. After that you need to find out individually what works best for your body and what works best for your mind (a very underrated part of this IMO).

True. the cheat meal helps me keep my sanity. I have a tendency to get very anal retentive about stuff, so the one night of relaxing and not stressing about what I'm eating helps a lot.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Can I make a request to everyone?

I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.

Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

 

[pacman_fl]

Can I make a request to everyone?I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

You can see mine (pac1109), correct? Thanks for the encouragement. Good question last night as well on the different calorie goals.

 

[shadyridr]

Can I make a request to everyone?I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

Mine is open but not sure how helpul it is. I've been doing this for 7 months now and I often just do quick calories or add up the totals in my head and I often forget to close the log for the day. It all became second nature by now

 

[Tiger Fan]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

Down 1 more lb for 14lbs in 7 weeks...9 more # til goal

 

[phishphan]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

Down 1 more lb for 14lbs in 7 weeks...9 more # til goal

good work!

 

[pacman_fl]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

Down 1 more lb for 14lbs in 7 weeks...9 more # til goal

- nice job!!!

 

[belljr]

Can I make a request to everyone?I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

Done for friends.I fell off the wagon with vacation. Not gaining or anything but wasn't tracking and my diet suffered.Need to lose this last 10-15 pounds

 

[NewlyRetired]

Can I make a request to everyone?I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

You can see mine (pac1109), correct? Thanks for the encouragement. Good question last night as well on the different calorie goals.

yes I can see yours. Very few people have it turned on (probably because it is buried a bit in the settings). Thanks!

 

[NewlyRetired]

Down another 2.6# this week to 235.4#. I guess I could lose more if I gave up my weekly cheat night, but it doesn't seem to be hurting me yet.

Down 1 more lb for 14lbs in 7 weeks...9 more # til goal

sweet! I actually am looking forward to my once a week weigh in day on Mondays now, at least till I plateau then I will be bummed

 

[NewlyRetired]

Can I make a request to everyone?

I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.

Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

Mine is open but not sure how helpul it is. I've been doing this for 7 months now and I often just do quick calories or add up the totals in my head and I often forget to close the log for the day. It all became second nature by now

The bolded should be the ultimate goal I think. That means that you really have made a lifestyle change which is awesome.

 

[Guest]

Can I make a request to everyone?

I love to read the food diary's for each person to get ideas what people are eating so that I might be able to en corporate something new into my diet.

Some people do not have this feature turned on in MFP though. If you don't mind others seeing what you eat, you just need to go into settings and turn on the ability for people to see your diary.

Mine is open but not sure how helpul it is. I've been doing this for 7 months now and I often just do quick calories or add up the totals in my head and I often forget to close the log for the day. It all became second nature by now

The bolded should be the ultimate goal I think. That means that you really have made a lifestyle change which is awesome.

It's all about forming GOOD habits. Even thinking twice about what you are about to eat helps.

 

[krista4]

On Day 3 and have now read the thread from start to finish. Congrats to all those who are finding success.

I assume because I'm 5'6" and a woman, it has set my daily calories at 1200. :( Yesterday I ended up at 1170 and it told me I was eating too little. Really not sure I can hit 1200 on the dot, you MFP jerks!

 

[pacman_fl]

On Day 3 and have now read the thread from start to finish. Congrats to all those who are finding success.I assume because I'm 5'6" and a woman, it has set my daily calories at 1200. :( Yesterday I ended up at 1170 and it told me I was eating too little. Really not sure I can hit 1200 on the dot, you MFP jerks!

1200 is NET calories (after exercise). I have mine set there. I eat between 1200 and 1500 per day generally and exercise off the overage.

 

[NewlyRetired]

On Day 3 and have now read the thread from start to finish. Congrats to all those who are finding success.I assume because I'm 5'6" and a woman, it has set my daily calories at 1200. :( Yesterday I ended up at 1170 and it told me I was eating too little. Really not sure I can hit 1200 on the dot, you MFP jerks!

My wife is set at 1200 as well. Ignore the warning, I get it a lot myself. I am trying to eat around 1200 a day, sometimes I come in just under and it yells at me. But like pacman_fl said, just exercise and you can eat more. The 1200 goal is total food - total exercise. So if you burn off 300 cals by exercise you can eat 1500 and still hit your daily goal.

 

[shadyridr]

On Day 3 and have now read the thread from start to finish. Congrats to all those who are finding success.I assume because I'm 5'6" and a woman, it has set my daily calories at 1200. :( Yesterday I ended up at 1170 and it told me I was eating too little. Really not sure I can hit 1200 on the dot, you MFP jerks!

yeah thats pretty dumb. that just seems like a software loophole

 

[krista4]

At least at the beginning, I'd like to keep to the 1200 and then have any exercise I do be a bonus. I'll just have to put up with the thing yelling at me; it's better than not hitting the goal.

 

[UOFI_316]

At least at the beginning, I'd like to keep to the 1200 and then have any exercise I do be a bonus. I'll just have to put up with the thing yelling at me; it's better than not hitting the goal.

that is the way I did it, any exercise was a bonus. that way I would not count on it, and wouldn't make the "well I can eat a big mac/have 7 beers today since I will run later" excuse in my head. Odds are I would not be able to run when I got home from work.And I was set at 1500-1700cal and would still have days were it yelled at me to eat more.

good luck

 

[beer 302]

Oof I had a bad week. Sitting at 675 over for the day and I haven't eaten dinner yet. Like I said before, don't need to schedule cheat days, they happen often enough on their own

 

[beer 302]

http://www.halhigdon.com/

Under the training menu there is just about every conceivable training level for the distance you want to hit. Great resource that I have been using but there are many out there. My advice, if you start running to drop some lbs read through this site to get some pointers so 1.) you will run effectively (ie get the most out of runs) and 2.) and probably more importantly, so you don't get injured in the first week or two, get discouraged and give it up. Running is a very easy way to drop major lbs pretty quick but it should also be done correctly so you don't overexert yourself early on.

Bottom line is do something, whatever it is, do something. The hardest part of starting to exercise i taking the first step Keep at it guys, good stuff in here

 

[NewlyRetired]

A little under 5 weeks ago I went for my very first run in years. I barely finished a mile in 13 minutes and felt awful both in body and in wind.

Today I just completed a 4 mile run in 40 minutes, followed immediately by 25 minutes on the elliptical for another 2 miles.

 

[NewlyRetired]

http://www.halhigdon.com/Under the training menu there is just about every conceivable training level for the distance you want to hit. Great resource that I have been using but there are many out there. My advice, if you start running to drop some lbs read through this site to get some pointers so 1.) you will run effectively (ie get the most out of runs) and 2.) and probably more importantly, so you don't get injured in the first week or two, get discouraged and give it up. Running is a very easy way to drop major lbs pretty quick but it should also be done correctly so you don't overexert yourself early on.Bottom line is do something, whatever it is, do something. The hardest part of starting to exercise i taking the first step Keep at it guys, good stuff in here

nice site, thanks for the link. I am definitely going to read up on this stuff as I feel like I am exercising blind and just hoping to sweat as much as possible

 

[krista4]

A little under 5 weeks ago I went for my very first run in years. I barely finished a mile in 13 minutes and felt awful both in body and in wind.

Today I just completed a 4 mile run in 40 minutes, followed immediately by 25 minutes on the elliptical for another 2 miles.

Nice! Congrats!I'm finding that when I have only enough calories left for wine or food, I'm choosing the wine.

 

[NewlyRetired]

A little under 5 weeks ago I went for my very first run in years. I barely finished a mile in 13 minutes and felt awful both in body and in wind.

Today I just completed a 4 mile run in 40 minutes, followed immediately by 25 minutes on the elliptical for another 2 miles.

Nice! Congrats!I'm finding that when I have only enough calories left for wine or food, I'm choosing the wine.

which has more calories per serving, beer or win?

 

[krista4]

A little under 5 weeks ago I went for my very first run in years. I barely finished a mile in 13 minutes and felt awful both in body and in wind.

Today I just completed a 4 mile run in 40 minutes, followed immediately by 25 minutes on the elliptical for another 2 miles.

Nice! Congrats!I'm finding that when I have only enough calories left for wine or food, I'm choosing the wine.

which has more calories per serving, beer or win?

Beer, by far. Luckily I don't like beer.