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My Stock Value Strategy Starts Now (5 Viewers)

its days like today I realize how little I know about the market.

HUN gets a settlement for 1.73 billion dollars and their stock drops a ton???

I wasnt invested in HUN, but I found it to be very interesting and was following the case/stock.

 
I've finally got the ability to short, anyone got any ideas for stocks?Although I'm starting to think maybe just short everything we've been buying the way these last 3 weeks have gone. :goodposting:
With just a bit of research you could be pretty consistent writing calls one strike OOM on companies about to release earnings.You get the benefit of the imp vol imploding, premium burn and the better than 50:50 chance earnings disappoint all on your side.
 
I know after-hours volumes are relatively low (leading to volatility) ... but any news or reason why CENX is up 0.25 to 5.70 (~5%) AH after the flat close?

 
NAVIOS MARITIME(NYSE: NM)

After Hours: 4.14 0.01 (0.24%) 4:24PM EThelp

Last Trade: 4.13

Trade Time: 4:00pm ET

Change: 0.49 (13.46%)

Prev Close: 3.64

Open: 3.95

Bid: N/A

Ask: N/A

1y Target Est: 5.68

Day's Range: 3.80 - 4.15

52wk Range: 1.10 - 10.62

Volume: 2,813,066

Avg Vol (3m): 1,776,900

Market Cap: 413.93M

P/E (ttm): 3.72

EPS (ttm): 1.11

Div & Yield: 0.24 (6.00%)

Finally one winner in my portfolio. Should I swap this for some more PRGN?

 
So HEB gets crushed today on no news.

Arent they going to get crushed even more if they announce a dilution?

Is the theory here that they will not do that unless they get FDA approval?

 
PRGN up 8.5% in after hours trading after the news below was released:

5:53PM Paragon Shipping announces a new charter and extensions to existing charters (PRGN) 3.56 -0.04 : Co announced amendments to several of its long term time charters. The co has entered into a new two year time charter contract for the Deep Seas and has renegotiated the terms to the time charter contract for the Crystal Seas. The co has also extended the charter period on the existing charter for the Clean Seas, and has obtained an option, at the co's election, to extend the charter for the Pearl Seas. Details of all of the co's current time charters, including current gross daily charter hire rates and charter terms, are set forth in the table below. Co said, "These new charter arrangements will increase our fixed revenue days in 2010 and 2011 from 55% and 38% to 72% and 49%, respectively at rates that continue to provide for solid free cash flow. Furthermore, our contracted gross revenue under our existing charters shall increase as a result of these charters by an additional $27.9 mln, assuming our exercise of available option periods. Moreover, our contracted fleet gross revenue from our period time charters will be an estimated $300 mln."

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/inplay

I'm upside down on this one, but can't help but think that these guys know what they're doing and will eventually pay off for those holding shares ...

 
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PRGN up 8.5% in after hours trading after the news below was released:

5:53PM Paragon Shipping announces a new charter and extensions to existing charters (PRGN) 3.56 -0.04 : Co announced amendments to several of its long term time charters. The co has entered into a new two year time charter contract for the Deep Seas and has renegotiated the terms to the time charter contract for the Crystal Seas. The co has also extended the charter period on the existing charter for the Clean Seas, and has obtained an option, at the co's election, to extend the charter for the Pearl Seas. Details of all of the co's current time charters, including current gross daily charter hire rates and charter terms, are set forth in the table below. Co said, "These new charter arrangements will increase our fixed revenue days in 2010 and 2011 from 55% and 38% to 72% and 49%, respectively at rates that continue to provide for solid free cash flow. Furthermore, our contracted gross revenue under our existing charters shall increase as a result of these charters by an additional $27.9 mln, assuming our exercise of available option periods. Moreover, our contracted fleet gross revenue from our period time charters will be an estimated $300 mln."

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/inplay

I'm upside down on this one, but can't help but think that these guys know what they're doing and will eventually pay off for those holding shares ...
I'm gonna have to liquidate my PRGN holdings in 3-4 months though, so let's hope that they crush 2Q earnings as well. That's the only way I won't take a beat down on my shares.
 
springroll said:
Dodds why did CNB tank in the last hour???
My guess is based on this news:S&P SmallCap 600 constituent WMS Industries (WMS) will replace The Colonial BancGroup (CNB) in the S&P MidCap 400

 
Boulder Toads said:
PRGN up 8.5% in after hours trading after the news below was released:

5:53PM Paragon Shipping announces a new charter and extensions to existing charters (PRGN) 3.56 -0.04 : Co announced amendments to several of its long term time charters. The co has entered into a new two year time charter contract for the Deep Seas and has renegotiated the terms to the time charter contract for the Crystal Seas. The co has also extended the charter period on the existing charter for the Clean Seas, and has obtained an option, at the co's election, to extend the charter for the Pearl Seas. Details of all of the co's current time charters, including current gross daily charter hire rates and charter terms, are set forth in the table below. Co said, "These new charter arrangements will increase our fixed revenue days in 2010 and 2011 from 55% and 38% to 72% and 49%, respectively at rates that continue to provide for solid free cash flow. Furthermore, our contracted gross revenue under our existing charters shall increase as a result of these charters by an additional $27.9 mln, assuming our exercise of available option periods. Moreover, our contracted fleet gross revenue from our period time charters will be an estimated $300 mln."

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/inplay

I'm upside down on this one, but can't help but think that these guys know what they're doing and will eventually pay off for those holding shares ...
This is really good news. They almost have 2010 completely booked now and at 46% for 2011, they are in steady hands while the rest of their competitors aren't. Imagine for a minute that they started executing their buyback of up to $20M in shares this past week with the stock hovering between $3.50 and $3.80. If this were to go up to say $4.25 naturally on this news and then they report great earnings (and disclose that they bought $20M of their own stock), what's PRGN worth? Among all of the chaos out there right now in the market, PRGN is a sure thing to run up to $5+ by the time they report earnings in my opinion.I may liquidate most everything and start buying in heavily here. The rest of the market seems nuts to me right now. But this one appears to be an easy home run. Remember their goal all along has been to get the share price to stay above $5/share so institutions can partake. They had it there before silution, but also had a covenant that said they had to have a company worth $200M (which was waived this year). They are steady now with their 47 Million shares and stock likely headed to $5 soon.

 
Boulder Toads said:
PRGN up 8.5% in after hours trading after the news below was released:

5:53PM Paragon Shipping announces a new charter and extensions to existing charters (PRGN) 3.56 -0.04 : Co announced amendments to several of its long term time charters. The co has entered into a new two year time charter contract for the Deep Seas and has renegotiated the terms to the time charter contract for the Crystal Seas. The co has also extended the charter period on the existing charter for the Clean Seas, and has obtained an option, at the co's election, to extend the charter for the Pearl Seas. Details of all of the co's current time charters, including current gross daily charter hire rates and charter terms, are set forth in the table below. Co said, "These new charter arrangements will increase our fixed revenue days in 2010 and 2011 from 55% and 38% to 72% and 49%, respectively at rates that continue to provide for solid free cash flow. Furthermore, our contracted gross revenue under our existing charters shall increase as a result of these charters by an additional $27.9 mln, assuming our exercise of available option periods. Moreover, our contracted fleet gross revenue from our period time charters will be an estimated $300 mln."

http://finance.yahoo.com/marketupdate/inplay

I'm upside down on this one, but can't help but think that these guys know what they're doing and will eventually pay off for those holding shares ...
This is really good news. They almost have 2010 completely booked now and at 46% for 2011, they are in steady hands while the rest of their competitors aren't. Imagine for a minute that they started executing their buyback of up to $20M in shares this past week with the stock hovering between $3.50 and $3.80. If this were to go up to say $4.25 naturally on this news and then they report great earnings (and disclose that they bought $20M of their own stock), what's PRGN worth? Among all of the chaos out there right now in the market, PRGN is a sure thing to run up to $5+ by the time they report earnings in my opinion.I may liquidate most everything and start buying in heavily here. The rest of the market seems nuts to me right now. But this one appears to be an easy home run. Remember their goal all along has been to get the share price to stay above $5/share so institutions can partake. They had it there before silution, but also had a covenant that said they had to have a company worth $200M (which was waived this year). They are steady now with their 47 Million shares and stock likely headed to $5 soon.
PRGN at these prices definitely intrigues me. David, as you know, the yahoo message boards are not the best place for research and info, but the bashing over there isn't the standard "company is going BK, stock is going to 1 dollar", it is mostly ripping management for being shady/devious/crooked/criminal. Is all of that overblown or are you still a bit concerned with management's shadiness, which I know you questioned at times before (moreso OCNF, but PRGN to an extent too)
 
yea, DRYS was the worse, but after the sneaky dilution this past month, David commented on them being just as shady as the rest of the bunch.

 
PRGN at these prices definitely intrigues me. David, as you know, the yahoo message boards are not the best place for research and info, but the bashing over there isn't the standard "company is going BK, stock is going to 1 dollar", it is mostly ripping management for being shady/devious/crooked/criminal. Is all of that overblown or are you still a bit concerned with management's shadiness, which I know you questioned at times before (moreso OCNF, but PRGN to an extent too)
I don't trust DRYS at all. and DRYS and OCNF are connected at the hip so you can lump them in the same category. PRGN is legit. They screwed people a bit with the double offering this year, but you have to realize that the banks were making them do that as the value of their ships (that they used as collateral against the debt have dropped significantly). So the second offering sucked and was unexpected, but the CEO admits doing that offering was a HUGE mistake. These guys are candid and straight shooters generally. You will never here DRYS say they have made a mistake and they constantly are flushing dollars down the drain (cancelling ship orders, etc). PRGN owes $380 Million in long term debt. They just raised $80+ M and are wildly profitable even with the current debt. They will take this money and pay down their debt. On June 11th of this year, Five Stars acquired a three-year-old panamax ship for $39 million from Hong Kong’s Jinhui Shipping & Transportation Ltd. PRGNs ships are a bit older, but they are still likely worth $32M. They have 8 of these and 12 ships total. If you figure the other ships are worth about $22M each, they have ships worth $344M alone. So do the math. 47 million shares at $3.75 = $176.25 Million worth. They had $37 M in cash on hand and raised $42 M in the first offering. The second will have netted similar numbers. This company also earns $25M+ per quarter.So for $176M (stock cost) + $378M (debt), you can fully own PRGN. And you get a company has $344M worth of ships, has $120M in cash and earns $25M a quarter. I think at these stock prices, this company is an unbelievable steal. People will get it come next earnings report.
 
More on PRGN. These guys have the lowest operating costs by a wide margin in this space. They squeeze about $8M per ship per year in profit. So used ships that are now costing 32-40 million pay for themselves in 4-5 years.

These guys will likely continue to dilute their shares, but going forward I can see them diluting to add ships. And when they start doing that, this stock could take off. Compare PRGNs numbers to DSX. DSX trades at a huge premium because they don't have the debt like most every other shipper. Well after the double offering and a few more great quarters by PRGN, their ratios could be quite similar.

PRGN has no new ship orders. Their ships are at their all-time low. BDI just came off it's low. And despite this PRGN had it's most profitable quarter. When things improve for the economy and Dry Bulk, watch out for this company. They have shown that they are among the best in the business at keeping costs under control.

 
wow UNG pre-market is almost under $14. For people willing to wait on this, this is a sure thing in my opinion. Buy now and hold until December/January for a likely 50-75% gain.

I will take a position on UNG today and continue to add if it drops lower. Remember this just hit $15.99 on June 17th.

 
wow UNG pre-market is almost under $14. For people willing to wait on this, this is a sure thing in my opinion. Buy now and hold until December/January for a likely 50-75% gain.I will take a position on UNG today and continue to add if it drops lower. Remember this just hit $15.99 on June 17th.
Just added 200 shares while you were typing this.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:goodposting:I really, really, really hate the stock market.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:lmao:I really, really, really hate the stock market.
I think you made the right call here. Feel free to bump this when HEB hits $18.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:unsure:I really, really, really hate the stock market.
I don't blame you Otis. Lots of shaking out, rattling, and general messing with the psyche. I still think you and your friend had great ideas with both chk and ung. I'm just biding some time and making some cheap longer term plays. Added to my LVS and MGM positions. Sold my rimm put for a 225 profit. Holding some small short positions on sds, qid, and skf. Playing a wait and see game, which i hate. I should have bought that bidu and cme option i was looking at yesterday.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:unsure:I really, really, really hate the stock market.
Just like that HEB up 20 centsI bought 2000 shares of PRGN. Gonna add slowly.
 
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Out of FEED at 5.89. Anyone else notice that FEED hits it's low every Monday and then recovers from there. I made a nice profit here.

 
I hate my life.

CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.

I ####### quit.
turning around now.....
Moved 15% in minutes.
:clap: DIE STOCK MARKET.
*OTIS factor
I'm convinced. My buddy thanked me last night for getting out of CHK.I'm this close to forever swearing off the stock market and instead keeping my money in cash in a burlap sack under my bed.

 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:thumbup:I really, really, really hate the stock market.
Being somewhat serious here.But consider a Costanza style of trading.If every natural instinct you have about the market is wrong...then doing the exact opposite would have to be correct and profitable.
 
I hate my life.CHK and CENX both up nicely after I sell them. HEB down.I ####### quit.
How much are you into HEB for???Just liquidated my CHK for a $400 loss. I'd rather be in UNG even though it's more conservative.
Yup. I got out of HEB. I wanted to join the fun in here, but frankly that just looks like a dice roll to me. And everything I read about it sounds shady. So I dumped out of HEB for a few percent loss this morning and went into UNG options also. January, $16 strike. That's a lot of time for natty gas to recover, and that's also the dead of winter, so maybe that will affect prices/demand.:DI really, really, really hate the stock market.
Being somewhat serious here.But consider a Costanza style of trading.If every natural instinct you have about the market is wrong...then doing the exact opposite would have to be correct and profitable.
I had this very thought a couple of days ago.CHK 19.67 +0.40 (2.08%) CENX 6.01 +0.56 (10.28%) :thumbup:
 
I'm convinced. My buddy thanked me last night for getting out of CHK.

I'm this close to forever swearing off the stock market and instead keeping my money in cash in a burlap sack under my bed.
Why don't you just pick 6-10 stocks that you like and hold for a month or two?On second thought, just do what Dodd's does.

 
I'm still holding some CENX(1000 shares) at a buyin of $7.67. I know I need to sell today on this uptick for a loss, but I just can't do it...

 
DUK just bumped it's dividend up again. Not a bad place to park some cash for those interested.

 
Anyone have any idea why a stock might be fairly stagnent all day and then a few min after close shares change hand at 10 plus % higher than the ask all day?

Its been a few days in a row now.

The thing can't break 2.50 but for the last 2-3 days the are trades goin off at 2.80 to 2.85 for about 5 minutes right after close.

 
I'm convinced. My buddy thanked me last night for getting out of CHK.

I'm this close to forever swearing off the stock market and instead keeping my money in cash in a burlap sack under my bed.
Why don't you just pick 6-10 stocks that you like and hold for a month or two?On second thought, just do what Dodd's does.
If I could be up 10% of what Dodds is up I would be :pickle: I think there are just certain fundamental truths in this world. One of those is that Otis will always, no matter what, be bad at money. While others will make great wise investments and profits, Otis's money belongs in one place: a savings account.

 
and out of CENX at 6.05. This concludes my bloodbath in Aluminum for now. It's amazing though how closely this is tied to the NASDAQ. It seems to correlate about 3X the NASDAQ Composite Index. I will look for a better spot to re-enter

 
Bought 1,000 FSIN @ $7.31. Looking to get out around $8Knew I should have sold some more FEED on Friday, I could have bought it back 10% cheaper this morning.
FSIN on a tear today, wouldn't be surprised to see this thing head back towards the 9's but I think I will bank a nice win. Out at $7.97 - gain of $659.79
 

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