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Anyone playing Biogen (BIIB) or Elan (ELN) on the Tysabri-related drop? I got my hand into elan last year with the promising clinical trials and got burned. One of my worst losses to date. Likely not gonna play it again but it does have some upside as Novartis has shown interest in a takeover. Still, I'm spooked with that stock.

Biogen seems like an interesting play here. Fundamentals seem good for pharma as far as its valuation. Intraday technicals are as good as they get (cup/handle), long term technicals are also great- just broke support recently out of a triple top. Here's a cursory chart i cooked up for you. As a technical play, it fits the bill.

Anyone gonna play this one with me?
Biogen Idec Inc. (BIIB) and Belgian biopharmaceutical company UCB SA (UCB.BT) discontinued a Phase II clinical trial of a treatment for relapsing multiple sclerosis, saying there was no clinically relevant benefit for patients. The latest setback for Biogen comes on top of its disclosure last week of a debilitating brain infection in patients taking its Tysabri multiple-sclerosis medicine, which sparked a selloff in its shares. That incident marked the 13th case of the infection in a Tysabri patient. Three have died. The companies said Tuesday a preliminary interim analysis showed patients enrolled in the clinical trial didn't benefit as expected from the treatment, CDP323, compared with placebo after a six-month treatment period. UCB expects a pretax noncash impairment charge tied to the discontinuation, which it said will be more than offset by cash and capital gains from the divestitures the company made earlier this year. Earlier this month, Biogen lost a proxy fight with billionaire activist investor Carl Icahn, who won two seats on its board and has suggested Biogen ought to be split up or sold. Biogen shares half of Tysabri's profits with Ireland's Elan Corp. (ELN). Biogen shares were unchanged at $45.15 in after-hours trading and are off 5.2% so far this year through Tuesday's close.
 
Boulder Toads said:
Update (through rpreswood's post):

David Dodds 28,000

Iowa Clubbers 10,000

rpreswood 6,000

The Ref 5,800

itriple 5,000

moderated 5,000

DALYLA77 4,000

Mose 3,500

Ripley 3,500

Jene Bramel 3,380

Random 3,380

Boulder Toads 3,300

Cromedog 3,000

ZenMaster 3,000

Skycriesmary 2,757

bishop92 2,300

D-Day 1,800

bcat01 1,360

Buckna 1,000

KGB 1,000

bmetz 600

gamma1210 600

This is LJ 500

bigfishboy 400

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Total (so far): 99,177 for a current market value just north of ~$360k
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Update (with Ripley's add'l 2k shares):

David Dodds 28,000

Iowa Clubbers 10,000

rpreswood 6,000

The Ref 5,800

Ripley 5,500

itriple 5,000

moderated 5,000

DALYLA77 4,000

Mose 3,500

Jene Bramel 3,380

Random 3,380

Boulder Toads 3,300

Cromedog 3,000

ZenMaster 3,000

Skycriesmary 2,757

bishop92 2,300

D-Day 1,800

bcat01 1,360

Buckna 1,000

KGB 1,000

bmetz 600

gamma1210 600

This is LJ 500

bigfishboy 400

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30-June total: 101,177 shares ... current mkt value of ~$368k

 
springroll said:
This is LJ said:
Anyone playing Biogen (BIIB) or Elan (ELN) on the Tysabri-related drop? I got my hand into elan last year with the promising clinical trials and got burned. One of my worst losses to date. Likely not gonna play it again but it does have some upside as Novartis has shown interest in a takeover. Still, I'm spooked with that stock.

Biogen seems like an interesting play here. Fundamentals seem good for pharma as far as its valuation. Intraday technicals are as good as they get (cup/handle), long term technicals are also great- just broke support recently out of a triple top. Here's a cursory chart i cooked up for you. As a technical play, it fits the bill.

Anyone gonna play this one with me?
Biogen Idec Inc. (BIIB) and Belgian biopharmaceutical company UCB SA (UCB.BT) discontinued a Phase II clinical trial of a treatment for relapsing multiple sclerosis, saying there was no clinically relevant benefit for patients. The latest setback for Biogen comes on top of its disclosure last week of a debilitating brain infection in patients taking its Tysabri multiple-sclerosis medicine, which sparked a selloff in its shares. That incident marked the 13th case of the infection in a Tysabri patient. Three have died. The companies said Tuesday a preliminary interim analysis showed patients enrolled in the clinical trial didn't benefit as expected from the treatment, CDP323, compared with placebo after a six-month treatment period. UCB expects a pretax noncash impairment charge tied to the discontinuation, which it said will be more than offset by cash and capital gains from the divestitures the company made earlier this year. Earlier this month, Biogen lost a proxy fight with billionaire activist investor Carl Icahn, who won two seats on its board and has suggested Biogen ought to be split up or sold. Biogen shares half of Tysabri's profits with Ireland's Elan Corp. (ELN). Biogen shares were unchanged at $45.15 in after-hours trading and are off 5.2% so far this year through Tuesday's close.
Hmm... well I'm not so concerned with the news. Tysabri is Biogen's 3rd highest grossing drug, behind another MS market leader in Avonex. My father is a neurologist and has been prescribing Tysabri for many years now. So I've got a good perspective on how the news will impact him. His words yesterday were frank- Tysabri is a wonderful drug and the benefits that his patients have seen are astronomical. He's not too concerned about PML. Only 13 cases so far, far from its threshold of 40-50 to be on the label, three deaths. And it hasn't stopped any doctors in the area from prescribing it. Personally he prescribes Tysabri to about 11 patients a month and claims thats probably par for the course among neurologists. So the selloff yesterday was :lmao: for him especially. He has no position in Biogen, but he certainly noted that it was likely just fear and panic with the word PML and likely nothing substantial. If it were to be pulled from shelves, Avonex is still the undisputed heavyweight in the arena. So I'm also not too concerned with the cancellation of the MS trials. However, Icahn does scare me a bit. He's a brilliant man, and personally financed my way through prep school, so I do owe him gratitude, but pharmaceuticals are very delicate companies. A shark like him has no business in this sort of venture.

Again, I'm likely not long this stock at all. Its a great short-term technical play, and thats likely how I will approach it. The fact that many shorts are out after yesterday's move may make this move very clean.

 
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springroll said:
This is LJ said:
Anyone playing Biogen (BIIB) or Elan (ELN) on the Tysabri-related drop? I got my hand into elan last year with the promising clinical trials and got burned. One of my worst losses to date. Likely not gonna play it again but it does have some upside as Novartis has shown interest in a takeover. Still, I'm spooked with that stock.

Biogen seems like an interesting play here. Fundamentals seem good for pharma as far as its valuation. Intraday technicals are as good as they get (cup/handle), long term technicals are also great- just broke support recently out of a triple top. Here's a cursory chart i cooked up for you. As a technical play, it fits the bill.

Anyone gonna play this one with me?
Biogen Idec Inc. (BIIB) and Belgian biopharmaceutical company UCB SA (UCB.BT) discontinued a Phase II clinical trial of a treatment for relapsing multiple sclerosis, saying there was no clinically relevant benefit for patients. The latest setback for Biogen comes on top of its disclosure last week of a debilitating brain infection in patients taking its Tysabri multiple-sclerosis medicine, which sparked a selloff in its shares. That incident marked the 13th case of the infection in a Tysabri patient. Three have died. The companies said Tuesday a preliminary interim analysis showed patients enrolled in the clinical trial didn't benefit as expected from the treatment, CDP323, compared with placebo after a six-month treatment period. UCB expects a pretax noncash impairment charge tied to the discontinuation, which it said will be more than offset by cash and capital gains from the divestitures the company made earlier this year. Earlier this month, Biogen lost a proxy fight with billionaire activist investor Carl Icahn, who won two seats on its board and has suggested Biogen ought to be split up or sold. Biogen shares half of Tysabri's profits with Ireland's Elan Corp. (ELN). Biogen shares were unchanged at $45.15 in after-hours trading and are off 5.2% so far this year through Tuesday's close.
Hmm... well I'm not so concerned with the news. Tysabri is Biogen's 3rd highest grossing drug, behind another MS market leader in Avonex. My father is a neurologist and has been prescribing Tysabri for many years now. So I've got a good perspective on how the news will impact him. His words yesterday were frank- Tysabri is a wonderful drug and the benefits that his patients have seen are astronomical. He's not too concerned about PML. Only 13 cases so far, far from its threshold of 40-50 to be on the label, three deaths. And it hasn't stopped any doctors in the area from prescribing it. Personally he prescribes Tysabri to about 11 patients a month and claims thats probably par for the course among neurologists. So the selloff yesterday was :homer: for him especially. He has no position in Biogen, but he certainly noted that it was likely just fear and panic with the word PML and likely nothing substantial. If it were to be pulled from shelves, Avonex is still the undisputed heavyweight in the arena. So I'm also not too concerned with the cancellation of the MS trials. However, Icahn does scare me a bit. He's a brilliant man, and personally financed my way through prep school, so I do owe him gratitude, but pharmaceuticals are very delicate companies. A shark like him has no business in this sort of venture.

Again, I'm likely not long this stock at all. Its a great short-term technical play, and thats likely how I will approach it. The fact that many shorts are out after yesterday's move may make this move very clean.
just saw the article and figured I would cut and paste for you. i saw that symbol BIIB and said hmmmm...where do i know that from.
 
I'm done shorting HEB. Overall only made 2k on it and it's way too stressful.

so now i can pull for all my fellow FBG's. I won't invest in the lemon, but i would love to see the rest of you make bank on it.

GO HEB.

 
Just got back from my trip to Berkeley and am blown away by the number of shares FBG has in PRGN a good 5 weeks before earnings. I hope I have not led us astray. I was really shocked to see the price get to 3.60 range today. I suppose it could go a little lower too. But I remain confident this will start gaining legs as we get within range of the earnings report.

I also think Steelhead's shares have to create a coiled spring scenario regarding any short interest as a lot of shares are simply out of play now.

I would like for PRGN to announce the dilution of the last 10 million shares is completed. That would calm a lot of nerves regarding this thing.

 
I'm done shorting HEB. Overall only made 2k on it and it's way too stressful.so now i can pull for all my fellow FBG's. I won't invest in the lemon, but i would love to see the rest of you make bank on it.GO HEB.
Smart move I think. You may eventually be right, but even if HEB has a loser, they possibly could announce something that would send the shorts running for cover (ie a deal with Japan for Swine flu vaccine). I think even us longs find this stock pretty stressful. I can't imagine what it felt like to be short on a stock that has so much short interest. Let the big hedge funds gamble at those levels. There are safer ways to make money than shorting something for a 10 to 20 cent daily gain that could blow up in your face.
 
I might grab about 500 PRGNs and join the ride. I'm not a high roller like some of you.

EXM has been VERY kind to me since last fall (+ nice DIV, but I'm not sure if they're still paying it).

 
David Dodds 28,000

Iowa Clubbers 10,000

rpreswood 6,000

The Ref 5,800

Ripley 5,500

itriple 5,000

moderated 5,000

DALYLA77 4,000

Mose 3,500

Jene Bramel 3,380

Random 3,380

Boulder Toads 3,300

Cromedog 3,000

ZenMaster 3,000

Skycriesmary 2,757

Steve Poluchrono 2,700

bishop92 2,300

King of the Jungle 2,000

D-Day 1,800

Otis 1,400

bcat01 1,360

Buckna 1,000

BrOnc080 1,000

KGB 1,000

bmetz 600

Vladimir 600

gamma1210 600

This LJ 500

Z machine 700

bigfishboy 400

Pack100 100

Thats 109,677 shares for those of you counting at home.

@ 3.64 thats a "FBG Cap" of $399,224.28

every cent this moves makes/costs us $1,097

 
Some extremely interesting numbers:

YTD percentage gains for the Dry Shippers:

FREE +56.1%

GNK + 46.8%

SBLK +43.7%

NM + 33.8%

ESEA +11.2%

DSX +4.39%

SB -1.8%

EXM -4.4% - CEO canned, ship cancellations, buried in debt, lost significant money, dilution

TBSI -22.1% - Buried in debt, massively missed earnings with huge losses (not profitable)

PRGN -23.4% - Dilution, but wildly profitable, Best quarter ever last quarter. No ship cancellations

EGLE -30.9% - Buried in debt, ship cancellations

DRYS -45.8% - Ridiculous dilution, multiple ship cancellations, significant losses (no earnings)

OCNF -49.2% - Ridiculous dilution, company bleeding money, super high forward P/E

and if you look at this over the last 3 months, it looks even stranger:

SB +115.1%

NM + 83.1%

FREE +82.3%

GNK + 72.7%

SBLK +65.3%

EXM +51.2% - CEO canned, ship cancellations, buried in debt, lost significant money, dilution

ESEA +29.9%

TBSI +20.3% - Buried in debt, massively missed earnings with huge losses (not profitable)

DRYS +16.8% - Ridiculous dilution, multiple ship cancellations, significant losses (no earnings)

DSX +15.0%

OCNF +14.4% - Ridiculous dilution, company bleeding money, super high forward P/E

EGLE +11.9% - Buried in debt, ship cancellations

PRGN +8.7% - Dilution, but wildly profitable, Best quarter ever last quarter. No ship cancellations

Bottom Line: PRGN is profitable, yet they have lagged all of the other shippers this year. This is setting itself up nicely for a repeat of the 1st quarter earnings report in my opinion. About 5 weeks away from 1st quarter earnings would put us at April 13th. The stock closed at $3.37 that day. After earnings, the stock closed at 5.91 (and ran up higher than that during the day before drifting on dilution news).

 
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One way to buy UNG on the cheap would be via synthetic stock.So the position looks like this:Buy Jan 2010 14 Calls at:$3.00Write the Jan 2010 14 Puts for: $2.75Total cost is : $.25 per share or $25.00 for 1 contract.Risk profile in this position is VERY close (about 95%) to the same as long stock...so for every $1.00 UNG goes up you make $100 per contract. For every $1.00 UNG goes down you lose $100 per contract.So lets say you enter in a 10 contract trade (=1000 shares) here with UNG at $14.10. And UNG is trading at 20 by Jan 2010 expiration...you'd make approx: $5780. Going long stock you'd make $5900.But your gain would be at a fraction of the initial investment.If UNG was trading at $9.00, your loss would be $5100 on the synthetic stock play vs $5100 long stock.
How are these positions treated with respect to a margin account? Do they freeze a percentage of your trading dollars as if you were buying the stock outright?
 
Some Fuzzy Math. Based on slide 15 of this pitch

Old stockholder's equity = $326M

Shares = 27M

ratio = $12.07 (real value of company) and stock peaked at 6.24

New stockholder's equity should be old + cash raised + profit for the quarter. I think they raised about $80M and profit will be approximately $17M.

New stockholder's equity (estimated) = $423M

shares = 47M

ratio = 9.00

doing a little algebra, this would equate to $4.65

Personally I expect it will go higher than this as they will also announce news that they locked down more charters, paid down debt, etc. But this calculation shows me we are on the right side of this dilution. Yes it hurt the stock, but it's being way overstated right now. And the financial statement will clearly show it.

 
This tip needs to be on all of our minds next year when they do this:

Index Rebalancing

Simply short the companies leaving and then buy back the next business day after the Indexes bought high. This also works for the companies that were added like HEB and CTIC this time.

 
This tip needs to be on all of our minds next year when they do this:

Index Rebalancing

Simply short the companies leaving and then buy back the next business day after the Indexes bought high. This also works for the companies that were added like HEB and CTIC this time.
hahaha, I read that last night and bookmarked it in my mind for next year.
 
Interesting link from the yahoo boards re HEB's insiders transactions

Link

Looks like Carter has bought over 400,000 shares over the last few months.

 
This tip needs to be on all of our minds next year when they do this:

Index Rebalancing

Simply short the companies leaving and then buy back the next business day after the Indexes bought high. This also works for the companies that were added like HEB and CTIC this time.
i got part of this equation right. I didnt realize there would be such a massive sell off on monday though. I bought some of the index additions on friday morning. Saw them skyrocket. Actually posted in this thread asking if that was the peak. I held til monday where I was able to dump a couple for good gains. Unfortunately I saw CTIC give way more back than I would have liked as well as STEM and AVII. Still at a profit and added them for nothing other than the Russell news, but man I was mad when they sunk like a rock.

 
One way to buy UNG on the cheap would be via synthetic stock.So the position looks like this:Buy Jan 2010 14 Calls at:$3.00Write the Jan 2010 14 Puts for: $2.75Total cost is : $.25 per share or $25.00 for 1 contract.Risk profile in this position is VERY close (about 95%) to the same as long stock...so for every $1.00 UNG goes up you make $100 per contract. For every $1.00 UNG goes down you lose $100 per contract.So lets say you enter in a 10 contract trade (=1000 shares) here with UNG at $14.10. And UNG is trading at 20 by Jan 2010 expiration...you'd make approx: $5780. Going long stock you'd make $5900.But your gain would be at a fraction of the initial investment.If UNG was trading at $9.00, your loss would be $5100 on the synthetic stock play vs $5100 long stock.
How are these positions treated with respect to a margin account? Do they freeze a percentage of your trading dollars as if you were buying the stock outright?
That's what Ameritrade did on my account when I bought PRGN this way. It looks like they assume the call option will be exercised so $15,000 (3000 shares x $5 option) was subtracted from my available $ for trading.
 
some of the AIG responses are crackin me up. Even though I think they are fake, I know there has to be at least one fool out there somewhere that thought he hit the jackpot. Bought AIG at 1.17 a share and then saw the price at 19 bucks. Only to find out later he has actually lost 20% after the reverse split.

 
One way to buy UNG on the cheap would be via synthetic stock.So the position looks like this:Buy Jan 2010 14 Calls at:$3.00Write the Jan 2010 14 Puts for: $2.75Total cost is : $.25 per share or $25.00 for 1 contract.Risk profile in this position is VERY close (about 95%) to the same as long stock...so for every $1.00 UNG goes up you make $100 per contract. For every $1.00 UNG goes down you lose $100 per contract.So lets say you enter in a 10 contract trade (=1000 shares) here with UNG at $14.10. And UNG is trading at 20 by Jan 2010 expiration...you'd make approx: $5780. Going long stock you'd make $5900.But your gain would be at a fraction of the initial investment.If UNG was trading at $9.00, your loss would be $5100 on the synthetic stock play vs $5100 long stock.
How are these positions treated with respect to a margin account? Do they freeze a percentage of your trading dollars as if you were buying the stock outright?
That's what Ameritrade did on my account when I bought PRGN this way. It looks like they assume the call option will be exercised so $15,000 (3000 shares x $5 option) was subtracted from my available $ for trading.
What happens to the written put? Doesn't that credit show up?But Ouch! Obviously it varies by broker. With ThinkorSwim - synthetic stock requires less margin than long stock.
 
Interesting link from the yahoo boards re HEB's insiders transactions

Link

Looks like Carter has bought over 400,000 shares over the last few months.
??? To me that looks like he sold ~15,000 shares yesterday.
at a price of zero???
He GIFTED those shares. Interpret that however you want.
I think Carter's BUYING of 65,376 shares at $245,160 on 5/29 ($3.75/share) tell the real story. He Gifted these shares yesterday. That sounds like he handed someone a HUGE present because he KNOWS he is soon to be a wealthy man.If some things fall right today and this drops some more, I might be adding to my HEB position. Whether through FDA approval or deals with Canada, Japan and others for the flu, this stock is going to go higher soon.

 
I dont think I have posted a pick yet (mostly what Im doing with board favorites).But I bought a good chunk of AMAG today. They get word on their FDA approval Monday. It is currently in the low $50's, but with approval (Id put it at 80%), it should goto $65-$70. Ive done a bunch of research on this and really like it but you can never count on the FDA for anything.Worst case is that they delay announcement.Seems like a good place to have money this week.
AMAG was $51.50 when I posted this and bought. It is past $58 right now. Not a huge gainer (13%) but a nice pick nonetheless for a weeks work.Time to load up on PRGN.
 
Considering shorting or buying puts on MON (Monsanto). Never shorted anything before so I'm a little hesitant, but the chart definitely looks very bearish.

 
China beat the "new reserve currency drum" again yesterday. The USD Index is trading back down to 79.50 and looks like it might break resistance at 79. If this breaks 79, you may see more of a drop and an associated surge in commodities and foreign stocks.

 
:bye: DAMN I missed out on the BIIB run today. Wanted to get in last night but the AH activity was too volatile, so I thought I'd get in when I woke up. Not gonna chase it here in the 47.3's. Rally still might have some legs, but including transaction fees for me, too little reward. Besides, I need to free up some capital anyway.
 
For the stats I'm holding 500 PRGN.....

I'd have a lot more if I wasn't in this deep hole with CENX but, I refuse to take the loss when I think they look good Long term.

 
Anyone getting out of FEED at these levels? Missed out on the 6.2's Monday, wondering if the dilution news is going to make this stock stay here.

 

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