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N.S.A.’s Intercepts Exceed Limits Set by Congress (1 Viewer)

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N.S.A.’s Intercepts Exceed Limits Set by Congress

WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews.

Several intelligence officials, as well as lawyers briefed about the matter, said the N.S.A. had been engaged in “overcollection” of domestic communications of Americans. They described the practice as significant and systemic, although one official said it was believed to have been unintentional.

The legal and operational problems surrounding the N.S.A.’s surveillance activities have come under scrutiny from the Obama administration, Congressional intelligence committees, and a secret national security court, said the intelligence officials, who were speaking only on the condition of anonymity because N.S.A. activities are classified. A series of classified government briefings have been held in recent weeks in response to a brewing controversy that some officials worry could damage the credibility of legitimate intelligence-gathering efforts.

The Justice Department, in response to inquiries from The New York Times, acknowledged in a statement on Wednesday night that there had been problems with the N.S.A. surveillance operation, but said they had been resolved.

As part of a periodic review of the agency’s activities, the department “detected issues that raised concerns,” the statement said. Justice Department officials then “took comprehensive steps to correct the situation and bring the program into compliance” with the law and court orders, the statement said. It added that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. went to the national security court to seek a renewal of the surveillance program only after new safeguards were put in place.

In a statement on Wednesday night, the N.S.A. said that its “intelligence operations, including programs for collection and analysis, are in strict accordance with U.S. laws and regulations.” The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the intelligence community, did not address specific aspects of the surveillance problems but said in a statement that “when inadvertent mistakes are made, we take it very seriously and work immediately to correct them.”

The questions may not be settled yet. Intelligence officials say they are still examining the scope of the N.S.A. practices, and Congressional investigators say they hope to determine if any violations of Americans’ privacy occurred. It is not clear to what extent the agency may have actively listened in on conversations or read e-mail messages of Americans without proper court authority, rather than simply obtained access to them.

The intelligence officials said the problems had grown out of changes enacted by Congress last July in the law that regulates the government’s wiretapping powers, and the challenges posed by enacting a new framework for collecting intelligence on terrorism and spying suspects.

While the N.S.A.’s operations in recent months have come under examination, new details are also emerging about earlier domestic-surveillance activities, including the agency’s attempt to wiretap a member of Congress, without court approval, on an overseas trip, current and former intelligence officials said.

After a contentious three-year debate that was set off by the disclosure in 2005 of the program of wiretapping without warrants that President George W. Bush approved after the Sept. 11 attacks, Congress gave the N.S.A. broad new authority to collect, without court-approved warrants, vast streams of international phone and e-mail traffic as it passed through American telecommunications gateways. The targets of the eavesdropping had to be “reasonably believed” to be outside the United States. Under the new legislation, however, the N.S.A. still needed court approval to monitor the purely domestic communications of Americans who came under suspicion.

In recent weeks, the eavesdropping agency notified members of the Congressional intelligence committees that it had encountered operational and legal problems in complying with the new wiretapping law, Congressional officials said.

Officials would not discuss details of the overcollection problem because it involves classified intelligence-gathering techniques. But the issue appears focused in part on technical problems in the N.S.A.’s ability at times to distinguish between communications inside the United States and those overseas as it uses its access to American telecommunications companies’ fiber-optic lines and its own spy satellites to intercept millions of calls and e-mail messages.

One official said that led the agency to inadvertently “target” groups of Americans and collect their domestic communications without proper court authority. Officials are still trying to determine how many violations may have occurred.

The overcollection problems appear to have been uncovered as part of a twice-annual certification that the Justice Department and the director of national intelligence are required to give to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on the protocols that the N.S.A. is using in wiretapping. That review, officials said, began in the waning days of the Bush administration and was continued by the Obama administration. It led intelligence officials to realize that the N.S.A. was improperly capturing information involving significant amounts of American traffic.

Notified of the problems by the N.S.A., officials with both the House and Senate intelligence committees said they had concerns that the agency had ignored civil liberties safeguards built into last year’s wiretapping law.

“We have received notice of a serious issue involving the N.S.A., and we’ve begun inquiries into it,” a Congressional staff member said.

Separate from the new inquiries, the Justice Department has for more than two years been investigating aspects of the N.S.A.’s wiretapping program.

As part of that investigation, a senior F.B.I. agent recently came forward with what the inspector general’s office described as accusations of “significant misconduct” in the surveillance program, people with knowledge of the investigation said. Those accusations are said to involve whether the N.S.A. made Americans targets in eavesdropping operations based on insufficient evidence tying them to terrorism.

And in one previously undisclosed episode, the N.S.A. tried to wiretap a member of Congress without a warrant, an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the matter said.

The agency believed that the congressman, whose identity could not be determined, was in contact — as part of a Congressional delegation to the Middle East in 2005 or 2006 — with an extremist who had possible terrorist ties and was already under surveillance, the official said. The agency then sought to eavesdrop on the congressman’s conversations, the official said.

The official said the plan was ultimately blocked because of concerns from some intelligence officials about using the N.S.A., without court oversight, to spy on a member of Congress.

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...one official said it was believed to have been unintentional...

Okay then. Unintentional misuse of executive power.

Carry on.

 
What's the problem here?

The overcollection problems appear to have been uncovered as part of a twice-annual certification that the Justice Department and the director of national intelligence are required to give to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on the protocols that the N.S.A. is using in wiretapping.
It appears that the surveillance is being monitored and their are some issues that need to be resolved. How can anyone here even hope to imagine the scope of something like this and criticize when problems arise. If a Congressman was indeed in a meeting with a possible terrorist in the Middle East, he should be monitored. Phone calls and emails from the US and known terrorist groups should be monitored. I'm sorry that everyone is so afraid of Big Brother but in the world we live in there's no way the government should allow certain groups to take advantage of technology to further their agenda without concern. As long as checks are in place to monitor illegal usage, it's fine by me.
 
What's the problem here?

The overcollection problems appear to have been uncovered as part of a twice-annual certification that the Justice Department and the director of national intelligence are required to give to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court on the protocols that the N.S.A. is using in wiretapping.
It appears that the surveillance is being monitored and their are some issues that need to be resolved. How can anyone here even hope to imagine the scope of something like this and criticize when problems arise. If a Congressman was indeed in a meeting with a possible terrorist in the Middle East, he should be monitored. Phone calls and emails from the US and known terrorist groups should be monitored. I'm sorry that everyone is so afraid of Big Brother but in the world we live in there's no way the government should allow certain groups to take advantage of technology to further their agenda without concern. As long as checks are in place to monitor illegal usage, it's fine by me.
He put Obama in the subtitle.5 pages.
 
I won't comment since I'm one of the liberal wackos that think more often than not that when we give up rights in the name of security we end up less secure.

 
It's not OK and should be addressed immediately. Unfortunately, most of the country hasn't even followed this. The news networks are an absolute disgrace - and I mean ALL of the news networks. CNN is engaged in a public twitter race with Ashton Kutcher (and I can only wish I was making that up), Lou Dobbs is still blaming immigrants for everything, Glenn Beck is finding new more emotional ways to express his crazier than bat s##t love of the nation, etc. The truly sad part? If Edward R. Murrow was alive he'd be lost in the shuffle and pulling down poor ratings.

 
It is not okay at all. I hated it under Bush and hate it even more under Obama. Obama needs to clean these things up, he knows better, Bush didn't.

 
It's not ok. You won't see any Obama supporters say it's ok. We will chime in on a thread like this and say that it's always bad. But the vast majority of them will not make a peep about this on their own.

J

 
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there's no way the government The People should allow certain groups the Government to take advantage of technology to further their agenda without concern.
Fixed.Since when has the government had the credibility to police themselves...?

Seriously.

 
It's not ok. You won't see any Obama supporters say it's ok. We will chime in on a thread like this and say that it's always bad. But the vast majority of them will not make a peep about this on their own.J
So they stand up against someone they generally support, but you still have "them" pegged as blind followers? :rolleyes:Is it hard being the only principled independent thinker on the boards?
 
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Joe Bryant said:
It's not ok. You won't see any Obama supporters say it's ok. We will chime in on a thread like this and say that it's always bad. But the vast majority of them will not make a peep about this on their own.J
I was gone for a while Joe and my the first post on my list was going to be about Obama continuing the Bush practices at the DOJ. I was beat to the punch. I had just read this before Poppa posted it so beat to the punch again. I have no problem starting the threads but I try not to honda just to burnish my cred.
 
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Some Democrats may be upset, but it's not like they will up and vote Republican. He knows it and I imagine his advisors know it so he pretty much has free reign as long as he pushes things like universal healthcare and energy taxes.

 
It's not ok. You won't see any Obama supporters say it's ok. We will chime in on a thread like this and say that it's always bad. But the vast majority of them will not make a peep about this on their own.

J
So they stand up against someone they generally support, but you still have "them" pegged as blind followers? :) Is it hard being the only principled independent thinker on the boards?
Sometimes. :lmao:
 
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In early 2014 it was reported, based on documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) is running a $79.7 million research program (titled "Penetrating Hard Targets") with the aim of developing a quantum computer capable of breaking encryption vulnerable to quantum computers.[66]

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It's only a matter of time before the NSA develops a quantum computer that is capable of breaking all current encryption.

 
Is this really surprising? Maybe to Tim. But I think most people realize that the government doesn't care about following the law, doing what's right, or what their constituents want any more. They do whatever the F they want and say "what are you going to do about it?" to anyone who questions them. It's disgusting but that's how things are. I mean, Obama is a freaking constitutional scholar and he's been slapped down 9-0 but the SCOTUS 20 times. He, like most of the idiots in Washington, just doesn't care about the constitution. The more power they can grab the more they will. And the people don't have the will to do anything about it.

 

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