NAACP leader outed as white & doing Soul Man routine (1 Viewer)

[squistion]

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of others

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

Kos didn't write that. What you refer to was an individual diary that was later deleted by the site because it made claims based on unsubstantiated rumors. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/30/580223/-Sarah-Palin-Is-NOT-The-Mother-Photos-Video

That's two Daily Kos articles that you've now dismissed as not representing the Daily Kos. Perhaps Kos should hire better editors or perhaps Kos should just write all the articles himself. That way Kos can prevent this confusion of articles on his site apparently not representing his site.

There are hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos. They are not officially endorsed by the site, nor do they purport to represent anything thing more than the opinion of the individual poster. None of these diaries claim to represent the viewpoint of Kos or the site. Diaries are not prescreened by editors of the site prior to being posted. If they are found to be inaccurate or inappropriate they are immediately deleted.

 

[tommyboy]

i have to say i am fascinated by the idea that white children would grow up and decide somewhere along the way they wanted to lie to themselves and everyone else and claim they were now black, latino, asian, native etc.... maybe we can get the crack gov't researchers to find out what would be driving such behavior.

 

[tommyboy]

newly released video backs up shaun king claims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvy_mP_a9WQ

 

[Gary Coal Man]

There are hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos. They are not officially endorsed by the site, nor do they purport to represent anything thing more than the opinion of the individual poster. None of these diaries claim to represent the viewpoint of Kos or the site. Diaries are not prescreened by editors of the site prior to being posted. If they are found to be inaccurate or inappropriate they are immediately deleted.

So there are "hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos", these diaries which appear under the Daily Kos letterhead can be posted by any jabroni, and these diaries are often removed when found to be inaccurate or inappropriate. So why again are you defending The Kos as not being a rag?

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

 

[squistion]

That's two Daily Kos articles that you've now dismissed as not representing the Daily Kos. Perhaps Kos should hire better editors or perhaps Kos should just write all the articles himself. That way Kos can prevent this confusion of articles on his site apparently not representing his site.

There are hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos. They are not officially endorsed by the site, nor do they purport to represent anything thing more than the opinion of the individual poster. None of these diaries claim to represent the viewpoint of Kos or the site. Diaries are not prescreened by editors of the site prior to being posted. If they are found to be inaccurate or inappropriate they are immediately deleted.

So there are "hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos", these diaries which appear under the Daily Kos letterhead can be posted by any jabroni, and these diaries are often removed when found to be inaccurate or inappropriate. So why again are you defending The Kos as not being a rag?

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Daily Kos allows anyone to publish a diary (you could if you wanted to) It is primarily a discussion forum for progressives/liberals and to encourage the free exchange of ideas/viewpoints does not prescreen diaries before they posted as that has been viewed as censorship. However, if the editors become aware that the content is inaccurate or inappropriate, they are deleted. Daily Kos readers don't view individual diaries as anything more than the opinion of the individual diarist. Critics of DK quite often post links to these diaries suggesting they represent the viewpoint of the site, which is false - it would be similar to linking posts in this forum and then claiming it represents the viewpoint of Joe and/or the FBGs' site.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That's two Daily Kos articles that you've now dismissed as not representing the Daily Kos. Perhaps Kos should hire better editors or perhaps Kos should just write all the articles himself. That way Kos can prevent this confusion of articles on his site apparently not representing his site.

There are hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos. They are not officially endorsed by the site, nor do they purport to represent anything thing more than the opinion of the individual poster. None of these diaries claim to represent the viewpoint of Kos or the site. Diaries are not prescreened by editors of the site prior to being posted. If they are found to be inaccurate or inappropriate they are immediately deleted.

So there are "hundreds of individual diaries posted each day on Daily Kos", these diaries which appear under the Daily Kos letterhead can be posted by any jabroni, and these diaries are often removed when found to be inaccurate or inappropriate. So why again are you defending The Kos as not being a rag?

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...Daily Kos allows anyone to publish a diary (you could if you wanted to) It is primarily a discussion forum for progressives/liberals and to encourage the free exchange of ideas/viewpoints does not prescreen diaries before they posted as that has been viewed as censorship. However, if the editors become aware that the content is inaccurate or inappropriate, they are deleted. Daily Kos readers don't view individual diaries as anything more than the opinion of the individual diarist. Critics of DK quite often post links to these diaries suggesting they represent the viewpoint of the site, which is false - it would be similar to linking posts in this forum and then claiming it represents the viewpoint of Joe and/or the FBGs' site.

I get your point, but your point supports my point.

Nobody is holding the FFA out as a legitimate news site.

Here's the thing, the people who frequent The Daily Kos may recognize the diary section as similar to the FFA or the Shark Pool; but when people who are not familiar with The Daily Kos (the majority of people) Google a topic and what appears to be an article under the Daily Kos banner pops up -- it's easy to see where and logical to see why the average person would associate that "article" with The Daily Kos.

Joe Bryant doesn't allow any of us jabronis to just publish a football diary entry which looks like an article under the Footballguys letterhead because Joe knows that many of these diaries/articles will be crap, and since they're under the Footballguys letterhead the public will logically associate the crappy content with Footballguys. This would hurt Footballguys reputation as a quality football information site over time. The Kos should adopt forums so their readers and diarists can share their thoughts with each other without possibly confusing the public as to whether the thought represents Kos' site.

 

[Chadstroma]

2) I've had my own heritage questioned, with people claiming I wasn't Latino or Latino enough, and there's really nothing uglier than having someone question your very identity.

Hmm, he didn't end any of those sentences with 'esse'.

But were any of the ####'s chinga or pinche?

 

[rockaction]

It would seem to me that this is newsworthy. It's odd that a movement centered around what is undeniably an identity-based political argument claims that one's particular identity should not be a newsworthy issue for those within the movement. Black Lives Matters' newsworthiness hinges upon its claims to identity as front-and-center. It's why it has garnered popular support and media attention. Why now is identity taboo?

It is indeed like a conservative politician that brings up anti-gay sentiments and subsequently endorses legislation largely in line with these sentiments claiming that his or her sexuality is a non-issue and not newsworthy.

It's akin to the evidentiary rule of introducing character as a defense. Once put into the judicial record, it becomes fair game.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I can't believe you guys have turned the funny subject of a white person pretending to be black into a political argument. No, wait. Actually, I totally can.

 

[rockaction]

I can't believe you guys have turned the funny subject of a white person pretending to be black into a political argument. No, wait. Actually, I totally can.

Uh, the whole point of it and its newsworthiness was the political activism of both alleged pretenders. Is it absurd and funny? Yes. Is it inherently political? Also, yes.

I understand the lament of the politicization of all things, but this is hardly a leap to politicize the issue -- it already was inherent within its context.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I can't believe you guys have turned the funny subject of a white person pretending to be black into a political argument. No, wait. Actually, I totally can.

Uh, the whole point of it and its newsworthiness was the political activism of both alleged pretenders. Is it absurd and funny? Yes. Is it inherently political? Also, yes.

I understand the lament of the politicization of all things, but this is hardly a leap to politicize the issue -- it already was inherent within its context.

Again, that's the problem here. This could have been a funny thread, but instead it was made into a political thread.

 

[rockaction]

I can't believe you guys have turned the funny subject of a white person pretending to be black into a political argument. No, wait. Actually, I totally can.

Uh, the whole point of it and its newsworthiness was the political activism of both alleged pretenders. Is it absurd and funny? Yes. Is it inherently political? Also, yes.

I understand the lament of the politicization of all things, but this is hardly a leap to politicize the issue -- it already was inherent within its context.

Again, that's the problem here. This could have been a funny thread, but instead it was made into a political thread.

I think this complaint is better suited for an apolitical issue that gets politicized, but hey, to each their own.

 

[FlapJacks]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

I like how he throws in "light skinned" just to give more credence to the exceptionally light skin tone...

 

[FlapJacks]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

If innocent people get dragged through the mud because of something noteworthy that is important to report and understand- say if one of their relatives is a school shooter or something- that's unfortunate but obviously the story needs to be reported. Here, not so much.

It was a pretty big national story and a 13 page thread in the FFA, when Dolezal was "outed."

Why wouldn't it be worth a story if a man got caught doing the same thing? Are you saying it's only news if a woman does it?

and now he throws his mom (a woman) under the bus?

 

[Al O'Pecia]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

I like how he throws in "light skinned" just to give more credence to the exceptionally light skin tone...

What was he supposed to say? "My mom banged Manute Bol and I came out looking like the kid from Powder"?

 

[FlapJacks]

I can't believe you guys have turned the funny subject of a white person pretending to be black into a political argument. No, wait. Actually, I totally can.

agreed, but we can always laugh at the people politicizing it

 

[TPW]

A simple DNA test along with full financial transparency of his fundraising organizations would put this to bed once and for all. Neither will ever happen.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Was just watching Good Morning America and they were highlighting interviews for the year, forgot about this lady and probably one of my favorite quotes for the year:

"Are you African American?"

"I uhhh, um, don't understand the question?"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Gb9kK8HGk

 

[MindCrime]

Rachel Dolezal, white woman who identifies as black, now jobless, may soon be homeless - Fox News
https://apple.news/ADjXy8nvaQHeEDhSZqcAniw

Rachel Dolezal, the infamous white woman who for years passed herself off as African American and rose to become head of an NAACP branch, is now jobless, on food stamps and expects to soon be homeless.
A defiant Dolezal, 39, recounted her current plight to The Guardian. Dolezal said she's only been offered jobs in reality television and porno flicks. A friend helped her come up with the money for February's rent and she doesn't know how she's going to pay for March.

:X

 

[SacramentoBob]

jobless, on food stamps

Man she's all in on pretending to be black.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Rachel Dolezal, white woman who identifies as black, now jobless, may soon be homeless - Fox News
https://apple.news/ADjXy8nvaQHeEDhSZqcAniw

Ugh.  I'm not a fan of seeing people's lives ruined this way.  Not that I'm a supporter of Rachel Dolezal, and I'll admit to chuckling at her predicament when her racial lineage came to light, but she's a human being and in principle it would be nice not to completely shun folks who make a stupid decision.  

 

[comfortably numb]

Rachel Dolezal, white woman who identifies as black, now jobless, may soon be homeless - Fox News
https://apple.news/ADjXy8nvaQHeEDhSZqcAniw

I'll take a PM

 

[The Big Guy]

She is truly having the full Black experience now. 

 

[squistion]

Rachel Dolezal, white woman who identifies as black, now jobless, may soon be homeless - Fox News
https://apple.news/ADjXy8nvaQHeEDhSZqcAniw

I don't feel like digging through this thread, but IIRC it was predicted by some of her critics here that she would make big bucks off of this charade, from a TV movie of her life to a successful book tour and that she would be in demand on the speaking circuit.  None of that happened and probably won't as she became a pariah to both blacks and whites.

She seemed more of a pathetic figure than anything else, trying to pass as black, hoping to find acceptance in academia and with the NAACP (and not dissimilar to blacks, who for years because of a lighter skin tone, tried and quite often were successful as passing for white).

She is bright and intelligent and if someone will give her a second chance, should land on her feet, but I don't know if she will ever get that opportunity.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Porn? Really? Who has that fetish?

 

[urbanhack]

She is truly having the full Black experience now. 

Stay classy!!

 

[[scooter]]

Porn? Really? Who has that fetish?

Black Christo?

 

[Da Guru]

If you can identify yourself as a man or a woman it seems you should be able to identify yourself as a race.  LGBTQ-RQ?

 

[squistion]

If you can identify yourself as a man or a woman it seems you should be able to identify yourself as a race.  LGBTQ-RQ?

I don't want to rehash this argument but people over many prior pages falsely conflated her situation with that of Caitlyn Jenner, which I disagreed with and thought it was not at all analogous - and that seems to have been confirmed to how poorly this all played out for her.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Porn? Really? Who has that fetish?

She's ethnic fluid.  You can have her dressed up in a Burka one night and a Ushanka the next.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Porn? Really? Who has that fetish?

Shaun King?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Shaun King?

You mean because he posed as an NFL quarterback for years?

 

[Jobber]

Well, she does have a book coming out soon so I'm not surprised she's vying for some attention right about now.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Has legally changed her name to Nkechi Amare Diallo (Nkechi is short for Nkechinyere, a name that originates from the Igbo language of Nigeria and means 'what god has given' or 'gift of god', 'natch).

Boy, she's really doubling down on this charade. 

Or maybe this will be her porn name since that's what's been offered to her. 

 

[cockroach]

Interesting Netflix doc about this lady.  Apparently she got outed by her brother because he was trying to destroy her credibility as she was set to be a witness against him in a sexual assault case her adopted sis brought against him.  Also, she's a pretty dang good painter/artist.  Crazy and conniving though.

 

[Tom Servo]

RUH-ROH GEORGE! Rachel Dolezal facing felony theft charges for welfare fraud.
 

The investigator conducted a review of Diallo's records and found she'd been reporting her income was usually less than $500 per month, in child support payments. At one point when asked as to how she was paying her bills, she reported, "Barely! With help from friends and gifts."

However, a subpoena for her self-employment records, which included copies of her bank statements from 2015 to present, tells a different story. The bank records, court documents say, showed Diallo had deposited about $83,924 into her bank account in several monthly installments between August 2015 and September 2017, without reporting the income to the Department of Social and Health Services. The money, according to the case file, had come from authoring her book, 'In Full Color,' speaking engagements, soap making, doll making, and the sale of her art.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Interesting Netflix doc about this lady.  Apparently she got outed by her brother because he was trying to destroy her credibility as she was set to be a witness against him in a sexual assault case her adopted sis brought against him.  Also, she's a pretty dang good painter/artist.  Crazy and conniving though.

I watched the doc this week.  She comes across as self-absorbed and delusional.  Might have been their purpose, but she is a pitiful human. 

 

[dickey moe]

RUH-ROH GEORGE! Rachel Dolezal facing felony theft charges for welfare fraud.
 

Let's give her the benefit of the doubt here. She clearly identifies with the idea of outright fraud as being an honest way to make a living.

 

[Tom Servo]

Let's give her the benefit of the doubt here. She clearly identifies with the idea of outright fraud as being an honest way to make a living.

HEY-OOO!!

 

[Smack Tripper]

Interesting Netflix doc about this lady.  Apparently she got outed by her brother because he was trying to destroy her credibility as she was set to be a witness against him in a sexual assault case her adopted sis brought against him.  Also, she's a pretty dang good painter/artist.  Crazy and conniving though.

Just heard about this, watching now, interesting context to her tale