NAACP leader outed as white & doing Soul Man routine (1 Viewer)

[kentric]

But that's not what this woman is doing. She is portraying herself as being physically "black" when she isn't. Nor is there anything to suggest that she should identify as being AA "culturally".

This isn't a Bruce Jenner situation. This is more like a Bosom Buddies deal.

There's nothing to suggest that she would identify to being black "culturally"? You mean beside the fact of holding herself out to the world as black, working as an NAACP head, and pretending a black man is a father instead of the white man that is her father? Well, she also went to college at Howard University. I'm not sure how much more you need.

Can she dance?

She can dance if she wants to.

 

[Fennis]

But that's not what this woman is doing. She is portraying herself as being physically "black" when she isn't. Nor is there anything to suggest that she should identify as being AA "culturally".

This isn't a Bruce Jenner situation. This is more like a Bosom Buddies deal.

There's nothing to suggest that she would identify to being black "culturally"? You mean beside the fact of holding herself out to the world as black, working as an NAACP head, and pretending a black man is a father instead of the white man that is her father? Well, she also went to college at Howard University. I'm not sure how much more you need.

Can she dance?

She can dance if she wants to.

Everybody!! Look at your hands

 

[kentric]

Is it possible to be half Jewish yet?

I haven't been Jewish for a long time.

How about half Jewish?

 

[Bonfire]

But that's not what this woman is doing. She is portraying herself as being physically "black" when she isn't. Nor is there anything to suggest that she should identify as being AA "culturally".

This isn't a Bruce Jenner situation. This is more like a Bosom Buddies deal.

There's nothing to suggest that she would identify to being black "culturally"? You mean beside the fact of holding herself out to the world as black, working as an NAACP head, and pretending a black man is a father instead of the white man that is her father? Well, she also went to college at Howard University. I'm not sure how much more you need.

Can she dance?

She can dance if she wants to.

What about her friends?

 

[kentric]

But that's not what this woman is doing. She is portraying herself as being physically "black" when she isn't. Nor is there anything to suggest that she should identify as being AA "culturally".

This isn't a Bruce Jenner situation. This is more like a Bosom Buddies deal.

There's nothing to suggest that she would identify to being black "culturally"? You mean beside the fact of holding herself out to the world as black, working as an NAACP head, and pretending a black man is a father instead of the white man that is her father? Well, she also went to college at Howard University. I'm not sure how much more you need.

Can she dance?

She can dance if she wants to.

What about her friends?

Like how you get right to the crux of the issue.

 

[Bonfire]

But that's not what this woman is doing. She is portraying herself as being physically "black" when she isn't. Nor is there anything to suggest that she should identify as being AA "culturally".

This isn't a Bruce Jenner situation. This is more like a Bosom Buddies deal.

There's nothing to suggest that she would identify to being black "culturally"? You mean beside the fact of holding herself out to the world as black, working as an NAACP head, and pretending a black man is a father instead of the white man that is her father? Well, she also went to college at Howard University. I'm not sure how much more you need.

Can she dance?

She can dance if she wants to.

What about her friends?

Like how you get right to the crux of the issue.

Well... cause if her friend don't dance, and if they don't dance. Well they're no friends of mine.

 

[msommer]

Bonfire at WorkTM

 

[TheIronSheik]

You can't be half Jew. It's a religion. It'd be like saying you were half Protestant.

 

[Fennis]

You can't be half Jew. It's a religion. It'd be like saying you were half Protestant.

tell that to Lenny Kravitz, Lisa Bonet, and Zoe Kravitz.

 

[Fennis]

a pretty large percent of American Jews consider themselves Jewish and atheist. so there you go.

 

[dhockster]

Bonfire at WorkTM

So close. Bonfire without Hats

 

[kentric]

You can't be half Jew. It's a religion. It'd be like saying you were half Protestant.

Howsabout half pregnant?

 

[El Floppo]

You can't be half Jew. It's a religion. It'd be like saying you were half Protestant.

you're right, I guess... but as mostly non-religious jew, I always felt like it was more cultural than religious. something I was born into, not something I chose as faith. so when I hear people say "half jewish", I buy it. (but not for retail, because... well... )

 

[msommer]

Bonfire at WorkTM

So close. Bonfire without Hats

Dammit

 

[TobiasFunke]

http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-blacklivesmatter-activist-shaun-king-is-actually-white/

Shaun King, an activist of the prominent, loud, destructive and obnoxious #BlackLivesMatter group is, according to his birth certificate and family heritage, whiter than a box of rice. He’s whiter than Casper the Ghost. Pour some milk in your cereal this morning? Shaun King is whiter than that. If you look up into the sky today and see some puffy clouds, make sure you call them Puffy Shaun King clouds, because Shaun King is whiter than those clouds in the sky. He makes Rachael Dolezal look like the JV team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltMeuPkWRs

Turns out this guy did have a black father, or at least that's what his mother has always told him, and his story about being the victim of a hate crime is pretty clearly true also. Here's his account, which provides links to other people from his hometown confirming the hate crime story.

Super awesome job making the long-ago extramarital affairs of an elderly woman who is not a public figure fodder for public discussion because you can't fact-check or report responsibly, conservative media!

At least their cause was just though. If they'd proved that this one guy was actually white then racism would have been solved I bet.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think it's odd/amusing that certain people are trying to disprove white privilege by finding examples of white people pretending to be black so they can lead some local NAACP chapter. I mean, isn't that what all 8 year old kids want to be when they grow up? Then the harsh reality of their disadvantaged white skin kicks in and they have to settle for such mundane things as doctors, lawyers and CEOs of fortune 50 companies.

 

[Chadstroma]

I am so confused....

There is no such thing as race but race actually makes you privelaged/oppressed and you can choose to self identity which race you which does not exist.

Did I get that right?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I am so confused....

There is no such thing as race but race actually makes you privelaged/oppressed and you can choose you self identity in which race you are that does not exist.

Did I get that right?

The only thing you got right is the first line.

 

[tommyboy]

seems to be a bit of insanity.

oh and I especially like the schtick of posting a Daily Kos post defending a Daily Kos contributor as though it were definitve rebuttal. Its almost as good as having the Iranians inspect themselves

 

[Joe Summer]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

 

[Chadstroma]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

 

[Hang 10]

http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-blacklivesmatter-activist-shaun-king-is-actually-white/

Shaun King, an activist of the prominent, loud, destructive and obnoxious #BlackLivesMatter group is, according to his birth certificate and family heritage, whiter than a box of rice. He’s whiter than Casper the Ghost. Pour some milk in your cereal this morning? Shaun King is whiter than that. If you look up into the sky today and see some puffy clouds, make sure you call them Puffy Shaun King clouds, because Shaun King is whiter than those clouds in the sky. He makes Rachael Dolezal look like the JV team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltMeuPkWRs

Turns out this guy did have a black father, or at least that's what his mother has always told him, and his story about being the victim of a hate crime is pretty clearly true also. Here's his account, which provides links to other people from his hometown confirming the hate crime story.

Super awesome job making the long-ago extramarital affairs of an elderly woman who is not a public figure fodder for public discussion because you can't fact-check or report responsibly, conservative media!

At least their cause was just though. If they'd proved that this one guy was actually white then racism would have been solved I bet.

Ah, the ol' Elizabeth Warren defense.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

 

[TPW]

http://louderwithcrowder.com/caught-blacklivesmatter-activist-shaun-king-is-actually-white/

Shaun King, an activist of the prominent, loud, destructive and obnoxious #BlackLivesMatter group is, according to his birth certificate and family heritage, whiter than a box of rice. He’s whiter than Casper the Ghost. Pour some milk in your cereal this morning? Shaun King is whiter than that. If you look up into the sky today and see some puffy clouds, make sure you call them Puffy Shaun King clouds, because Shaun King is whiter than those clouds in the sky. He makes Rachael Dolezal look like the JV team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltMeuPkWRs

Turns out this guy did have a black father, or at least that's what his mother has always told him, and his story about being the victim of a hate crime is pretty clearly true also. Here's his account, which provides links to other people from his hometown confirming the hate crime story.

Super awesome job making the long-ago extramarital affairs of an elderly woman who is not a public figure fodder for public discussion because you can't fact-check or report responsibly, conservative media!

At least their cause was just though. If they'd proved that this one guy was actually white then racism would have been solved I bet.

The guy has a serious problem with the truth as evidenced by the continuing financial irregularities with his fundraising efforts and contradicting accounts exist as to what happened when he was in school. His father and his race are both listed as being white on his birth certificate. Nobody ever mentioned his mentioned his mother's activities at all until you did just now and you seem determined to accept his ever shifting account at face value.

I believe the most applicable phrase here would be, "Politically motivated, willful suspension of disbelief".

 

[Chadstroma]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

 

[Joe Summer]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

If you're a public figure and you call yourself "black" (or "half-black"), then it's fair game to point out that your birth certificate says otherwise.Also, it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the media has somehow "shamed" his mother, when he is the one who claimed (indirectly) that she had an affair with a black man.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

If innocent people get dragged through the mud because of something noteworthy that is important to report and understand- say if one of their relatives is a school shooter or something- that's unfortunate but obviously the story needs to be reported. Here, not so much.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

If you're a public figure and you call yourself "black" (or "half-black"), then it's fair game to point out that your birth certificate says otherwise.Also, it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the media has somehow "shamed" his mother, when he is the one who claimed (indirectly) that she had an affair with a black man.

1. I suppose, although that would just make them lazy journalists for not considering and investigating the story more fully. Also, has he trumpeted his "blackness" as part of his activist efforts? I honestly don't know.

2. I didn't make that claim.

 

[Chadstroma]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

If innocent people get dragged through the mud because of something noteworthy that is important to report and understand- say if one of their relatives is a school shooter or something- that's unfortunate but obviously the story needs to be reported. Here, not so much.

So, a liberal rag outs a gay conservative which then outs his partner. You would be as indignant about that as you are now?

 

[Fennis]

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

Because they took what should have been an eye rolling, funny, and a little bit sad story about Dolezal and thought somehow they won political points over it. So if they can do it again they can think they win even more political points again. It doesnt matter if it is true or not.

 

[Chadstroma]

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

Because they took what should have been an eye rolling, funny, and a little bit sad story about Dolezal and thought somehow they won political points over it. So if they can do it again they can think they win even more political points again. It doesnt matter if it is true or not.

Who thinks there was any political points won?

The whole Dolezal thing is funny, eye rolling and very sad- which is why it made news. This guy is the same thing but apparently his twist is that instead of saying that he identifies as a black person even though he is lilly white- he is saying he has some black logs in the pile. Again, why wouldn't this be news other than liberals have a distaste for it because these people are their 'allies' and thus is rubs them wrong.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

If innocent people get dragged through the mud because of something noteworthy that is important to report and understand- say if one of their relatives is a school shooter or something- that's unfortunate but obviously the story needs to be reported. Here, not so much.

So, a liberal rag outs a gay conservative which then outs his partner. You would be as indignant about that as you are now?

Yeah, generally I'm not a huge fan of that. But there are some huge differences. First, it's not entirely clear that this guy is "white," so yeah, if a liberal rag did that and the guy wasn't actually gay I'd be very critical of them. There's also the variable of whether the conservative took anti-gay rights political positions and spoke out against homosexuality, and thus would be exposed as a hypocrite. If so that makes the story newsworthy. To my knowledge this guy never spoke out against whiteness, so the hypocrisy angle isn't there.

But yeah, generally I don't like it when this stuff happens regardless of political leanings of the journalists. I though the Gawker hit job on Tim Geithner was even worse than this.

 

[Fennis]

King looks mixed and his account of a maternal affair is plausible.

and if anyone can suss out a black guy it would be you.

 

[Chadstroma]

I think it's odd/amusing that certain people are trying to disprove white privilege by finding examples of white people pretending to be black so they can lead some local NAACP chapter. I mean, isn't that what all 8 year old kids want to be when they grow up? Then the harsh reality of their disadvantaged white skin kicks in and they have to settle for such mundane things as doctors, lawyers and CEOs of fortune 50 companies.

The white people in those positions earned them. What percentage of white people are doctors, lawyers, and CEOs?

100?

Wait.... are you counting the Kardashians as white? Then 99.99%.

 

[Joe Summer]

In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place.

If he's lying about his race, then it absolutely deserves to be a news story.

If he's not lying about his race, then I would agree that it shouldn't be a news story. But as a semi-public figure, he has a certain measure of obligation to get in front of the story. He's known about his birth certificate for years, and he's made numerous public speeches about his story, yet he apparently never revealed the information on his birth certificate.

He may claim that he kept that part secret to protect his mother, which is fine. But if you're going to tell a "little white lie" to protect your mother, then you must accept the risk that the lie could come back to haunt you.

 

[Chadstroma]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.

Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

I am not saying anything about asking anyone anything. I simply asked if the mother was alive. If she wasn't then there really is no further evidence one way or the other in terms of what this guy says happened. If she is alive- then yea, I suspect someone will end up asking her. Whether she talks or not? Who knows?

On a side note, are you always so indignant about all the people who end up getting dragged into some news story for no fault of their own or just in this case?

Eh, every case is different. In this case it really shouldn't be a news story in the first place. It's pretty cheap and silly. And as SacBob pointed out, it's not at all clear what the conservatives rolling in the mud here hope to accomplish anyway.

If innocent people get dragged through the mud because of something noteworthy that is important to report and understand- say if one of their relatives is a school shooter or something- that's unfortunate but obviously the story needs to be reported. Here, not so much.

So, a liberal rag outs a gay conservative which then outs his partner. You would be as indignant about that as you are now?

Yeah, generally I'm not a huge fan of that. But there are some huge differences. First, it's not entirely clear that this guy is "white," so yeah, if a liberal rag did that and the guy wasn't actually gay I'd be very critical of them. There's also the variable of whether the conservative took anti-gay rights political positions and spoke out against homosexuality, and thus would be exposed as a hypocrite. If so that makes the story newsworthy. To my knowledge this guy never spoke out against whiteness, so the hypocrisy angle isn't there.

But yeah, generally I don't like it when this stuff happens regardless of political leanings of the journalists. I though the Gawker hit job on Tim Geithner was even worse than this.

But, if this guy was all white then this has the same dynamic. He wouldn't have to speak out against 'whiteness' whatever that is but his vocation, his views, his history of school/scholarship, etc is all comparable to the conservative who is seen as anti-gay and it outed along with the people it ends up hurting collaterally.

 

[Hang 10]

Wait until the left finds out Ben Carson isn't really black.

 

[John Bender]

Why do we care?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah, generally I'm not a huge fan of that. But there are some huge differences. First, it's not entirely clear that this guy is "white," so yeah, if a liberal rag did that and the guy wasn't actually gay I'd be very critical of them. There's also the variable of whether the conservative took anti-gay rights political positions and spoke out against homosexuality, and thus would be exposed as a hypocrite. If so that makes the story newsworthy. To my knowledge this guy never spoke out against whiteness, so the hypocrisy angle isn't there.

But yeah, generally I don't like it when this stuff happens regardless of political leanings of the journalists. I though the Gawker hit job on Tim Geithner was even worse than this.

But, if this guy was all white then this has the same dynamic. He wouldn't have to speak out against 'whiteness' whatever that is but his vocation, his views, his history of school/scholarship, etc is all comparable to the conservative who is seen as anti-gay and it outed along with the people it ends up hurting collaterally.

And of course you're ignoring the most important difference between the two even as you recognize it: you still had to ask whether the guy is "all white" because you don't know, which is what makes the "story" not a story at all. With outed gay conservatives we know they're gay, or at least that they've had gay sex.

 

[psychobillies]

So if a black guy self identifies as white, can he get that elusive country club membership now?

 

[Chadstroma]

Yeah, generally I'm not a huge fan of that. But there are some huge differences. First, it's not entirely clear that this guy is "white," so yeah, if a liberal rag did that and the guy wasn't actually gay I'd be very critical of them. There's also the variable of whether the conservative took anti-gay rights political positions and spoke out against homosexuality, and thus would be exposed as a hypocrite. If so that makes the story newsworthy. To my knowledge this guy never spoke out against whiteness, so the hypocrisy angle isn't there.

But yeah, generally I don't like it when this stuff happens regardless of political leanings of the journalists. I though the Gawker hit job on Tim Geithner was even worse than this.

But, if this guy was all white then this has the same dynamic. He wouldn't have to speak out against 'whiteness' whatever that is but his vocation, his views, his history of school/scholarship, etc is all comparable to the conservative who is seen as anti-gay and it outed along with the people it ends up hurting collaterally.

And of course you're ignoring the most important difference between the two even as you recognize it: you still had to ask whether the guy is "all white" because you don't know, which is what makes the "story" not a story at all. With outed gay conservatives we know they're gay, or at least that they've had gay sex.

A birth certificate is pretty compelling evidence. The affair is a plausible explanation but it also could be a way to explain a potential lie.

If Dozelal's parents didn't come out and say "Yup, she is a whackadoo- she is white." you would likely be going down this same route.

 

[Rove!]

It's too bad that Dolezal didn't think of this schtick first. All she had to do was tell everyone that she was half black because her mother had an affair. It's a bulletproof argument.

Dolezal's parents were not about to play ball. Of course, you could always accuse the mother of lying to keep the affair secret.Is this guy's mother still alive? If so, has she said anything?

She is. She's an old lady now, obviously.

Is this really what conservatives want to do? Bother an old lady who has never done anything to make herself a public figure about whether she screwed a black guy four decades ago and told her son about it, because we want to find out if this one guy's story of his own racial identity can be validated beyond a doubt? After his classmates have already confirmed his story about being treated as a black man as a child and being the victim of a racially motivated beating? What's your cost/benefit calculation on that, exactly?

If you're a public figure and you call yourself "black" (or "half-black"), then it's fair game to point out that your birth certificate says otherwise.Also, it's kind of ridiculous to claim that the media has somehow "shamed" his mother, when he is the one who claimed (indirectly) that she had an affair with a black man.

1. I suppose, although that would just make them lazy journalists for not considering and investigating the story more fully. Also, has he trumpeted his "blackness" as part of his activist efforts? I honestly don't know.

2. I didn't make that claim.

The rag linked below seems to throw some mud at him

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405246/-Is-there-something-fishy-about-Shaun-King

 

[squistion]

The rag linked below seems to throw some mud at him

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405246/-Is-there-something-fishy-about-Shaun-King

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of others

We have a no-profanity-in-headlines rule around these parts, but #### it today. I'm currently in Germany, in Bamberg where I spent some of the best three years of my life serving my nation. The last thing I wanted to do was have to hear about the #### that Shaun King has had to endure these last few days.

I'm on an iPhone with poor cellular data, so I can't offer a link-studded piece examining the various angles of this ####, so I'll be as brief as I can be: #### those #######s, and #### them to hell.

We have a nation that kills brown people at will, with no repercussions. After hundreds of years of that ####, we finally have a movement exposing that atrocity, and Shaun King is a key figure in that movement. So how does the right wing respond? By "investigating" Shaun, and claiming that he's not black, that he's faking it! Because, you know, being black is the key to becoming a Fortune 500 CEO and a life of richness and success.... Heck, maybe those conservatives believe their nonsense that "the blacks" have it so easy because of affirmative action and other "special" advantages.

The reality is that 1) #### them, 2) why does it matter what color Shaun is? 3) #### them, and 4) #### them. Rather than join the fight against out-of-control police forces, they are trying to discredit Shaun King. That's your conservative priorities for you - attack the guy who is helping publicize this gross injustice. Imagine if we would've responded to the Tea Party movement by investigating the whiteness of its leaders. But we don't think like they do. We aren't degenerates like them.

But you know what? I expect that #### from conservatives. I would've expected better from CNN and Don Lemon, but they've joined the ranks of right-wing race-baiters. Congrats, Don and CNN for joining the rats on their sinking ship. #### you, too.

Shaun has already explained his situation. I told him he didn't have to explain ####, but because of the CNN hit piece he took that painful step to bare his family's difficult history in order to try to answer this bull####. In the abstract, it's an eye-opening peek at the difficulties of dealing with race in the small-town South. But this is not an abstract, and that story was extracted under duress. So the #######s who questioned his heritageand Don Lemon and CNN especiallycan all go #### themselves because they were wrong, wrong, and ####### wrong.

Finally, in case you are wondering why I am so angry, it's for two reasons: 1) I will fight to the end of the world for my staff and my community, but this is particularly emotional for me because 2) I've had my own heritage questioned, with people claiming I wasn't Latino or Latino enough, and there's really nothing uglier than having someone question your very identity.

So #### everyone who has gone after Shaun. Fact is, they are accomplishing nothing but exposing the ugliness in their hearts. Shaun will continue to shine a light on the issues he's focused on, and we will continue to support Shaun in his efforts. In fact, we're doubling down by staffing up in this area. So if the intent was to hamper the Black Lives Matter movement ... well, in this case, it has only redoubled our resolve to support it.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of others

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

 

[squistion]

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of others

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

Kos didn't write that. What you refer to was an individual diary that was later deleted by the site because it made claims based on unsubstantiated rumors. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/30/580223/-Sarah-Palin-Is-NOT-The-Mother-Photos-Video

 

[Rove!]

The rag linked below seems to throw some mud at himhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405246/-Is-there-something-fishy-about-Shaun-King

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of othersWe have a no-profanity-in-headlines rule around these parts, but #### it today. I'm currently in Germany, in Bamberg where I spent some of the best three years of my life serving my nation. The last thing I wanted to do was have to hear about the #### that Shaun King has had to endure these last few days.I'm on an iPhone with poor cellular data, so I can't offer a link-studded piece examining the various angles of this ####, so I'll be as brief as I can be: #### those #######s, and #### them to hell.We have a nation that kills brown people at will, with no repercussions. After hundreds of years of that ####, we finally have a movement exposing that atrocity, and Shaun King is a key figure in that movement. So how does the right wing respond? By "investigating" Shaun, and claiming that he's not black, that he's faking it! Because, you know, being black is the key to becoming a Fortune 500 CEO and a life of richness and success.... Heck, maybe those conservatives believe their nonsense that "the blacks" have it so easy because of affirmative action and other "special" advantages.The reality is that 1) #### them, 2) why does it matter what color Shaun is? 3) #### them, and 4) #### them. Rather than join the fight against out-of-control police forces, they are trying to discredit Shaun King. That's your conservative priorities for you - attack the guy who is helping publicize this gross injustice. Imagine if we would've responded to the Tea Party movement by investigating the whiteness of its leaders. But we don't think like they do. We aren't degenerates like them.But you know what? I expect that #### from conservatives. I would've expected better from CNN and Don Lemon, but they've joined the ranks of right-wing race-baiters. Congrats, Don and CNN for joining the rats on their sinking ship. #### you, too.Shaun has already explained his situation. I told him he didn't have to explain ####, but because of the CNN hit piece he took that painful step to bare his family's difficult history in order to try to answer this bull####. In the abstract, it's an eye-opening peek at the difficulties of dealing with race in the small-town South. But this is not an abstract, and that story was extracted under duress. So the #######s who questioned his heritageand Don Lemon and CNN especiallycan all go #### themselves because they were wrong, wrong, and ####### wrong.Finally, in case you are wondering why I am so angry, it's for two reasons: 1) I will fight to the end of the world for my staff and my community, but this is particularly emotional for me because 2) I've had my own heritage questioned, with people claiming I wasn't Latino or Latino enough, and there's really nothing uglier than having someone question your very identity.So #### everyone who has gone after Shaun. Fact is, they are accomplishing nothing but exposing the ugliness in their hearts. Shaun will continue to shine a light on the issues he's focused on, and we will continue to support Shaun in his efforts. In fact, we're doubling down by staffing up in this area. So if the intent was to hamper the Black Lives Matter movement ... well, in this case, it has only redoubled our resolve to support it.

 

[cstu]

The reality is that 1) #### them

 

[cstu]

2) I've had my own heritage questioned, with people claiming I wasn't Latino or Latino enough, and there's really nothing uglier than having someone question your very identity.

Hmm, he didn't end any of those sentences with 'esse'.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That is one individual diary and does not purport to represent "the rag" - Now if you want to know what Kos (founder and publisher of Daily Kos) has to say on this in a featured article today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/21/1414091/-Only-#######s-question-the-identity-of-others

Only #######s question the identity of others

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother

Kos didn't write that. What you refer to was an individual diary that was later deleted by the site because it made claims based on unsubstantiated rumors. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/08/30/580223/-Sarah-Palin-Is-NOT-The-Mother-Photos-Video

That's two Daily Kos articles that you've now dismissed as not representing the Daily Kos. Perhaps Kos should hire better editors or perhaps Kos should just write all the articles himself. That way Kos can prevent this confusion of articles on his site apparently not representing his site.

 

[tommyboy]

i think the funniest part of that rant is all the cursing.