NASCAR will have BLM car in next race (2 Viewers)

[Football Jones]

There is an alternative: 

Political correctness wins. Society accepts new and improved language and civility, and we get rid of stuff that has offended minorities for years. The “current culture” as you call it takes over and after a few years any resentment you felt goes away because society overall is much improved. And because you get tired of fighting a cause that you can win and the majority doesn’t appreciate. 
This is far more likely then what you’re concerned about. Can’t you see it already happening? 

There's no right or wrong here. There are only causes...& people are willing to defend them.

Let's not pretend we aren't in an unprecedented time in history here.

I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but I'm quite worried.

 

[The General]

Come on. You know people are getting pissed. 

You might be shocked at lot of Facebook feeds, LOL.

Things are looking like they'll eventually come to a head. If you're not feeling that at least a little bit, you don't have any kind of feel for the conservative masses (which probably makes sense).

I'm hoping things settle down.

Can you be a little more clear of what you are saying is potentially going to happen?

 

[Football Jones]

Can you be a little more clear of what you are saying is potentially going to happen?

I know nothing. Absolutely nothing about any such plans. And to be clear, what I was talking about wouldn't shock too many conservatives.

My hope is we reach some middle ground. Surely we can do that.

With all due respect, I believe many on the left have their head in the sand about how bad people are pissed.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

My hope is we reach some middle ground.

On what?

 

[Slapdash]

On what?

More veiled threats? 

 

[The General]

I know nothing. Absolutely nothing about any such plans. And to be clear, what I was talking about wouldn't shock too many conservatives.

My hope is we reach some middle ground. Surely we can do that.

With all due respect, I believe many on the left have their head in the sand about how bad people are pissed.

Sorry man but I read this a couple times and am not sure if this is shtick or what you saying. 

 

[Ilov80s]

There's no right or wrong here. There are only causes...& people are willing to defend them.

Let's not pretend we aren't in an unprecedented time in history here.

I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but I'm quite worried.

I think we are in a time where radical change will happen. That was evident 5 years ago. It almost seems like everyone has to rush to take sides now. 

 

[Football Jones]

Sorry man but I read this a couple times and am not sure if this is shtick or what you saying. 

My bad. You asked me if I knew anything.

Not sure what you were talking about, but I'm just saying people are really pissed. Is that a surprise?

That said, I'm kind of a worrier by nature. Hopefully, I'm overreacting to everyone being pissed.

 

[Football Jones]

Like I said, not trying to be an alarmist.

This kind of thing worries me, though.

Nobody else is worried? I can't be the only one.

 

[Ilov80s]

Like I said, not trying to be an alarmist.

This kind of thing worries me, though.

Nobody else is worried? I can't be the only one.

I am super worried. I have been preaching worst case scenario for 5+ years now. It has somehow ended up even worse than I could have predicted. 

 

[The General]

My bad. You asked me if I knew anything.

Not sure what you were talking about, but I'm just saying people are really pissed. Is that a surprise?

That said, I'm kind of a worrier by nature. Hopefully, I'm overreacting to everyone being pissed.

Ok. Thanks.

So times are crazy and I get people being frustrated, freaked out, stressed etc. 

I understand what’s behind the protests. Yes the looting is awful, there are some bizarre tangents sprouting off from them, but I understand the anger there. I’m sure you do as well.

What is it that you are touching on that conservatives are so upset about?

 

[Football Jones]

Ok. Thanks.

So times are crazy and I get people being frustrated, freaked out, stressed etc. 

I understand what’s behind the protests. Yes the looting is awful, there are some bizarre tangents sprouting off from them, but I understand the anger there. I’m sure you do as well.

What is it that you are touching on that conservatives are so upset about?

One of the main gripes was the anthem thing with Brees, but it started way before then. You probably know what the flag/anthem means to many in middle-America. And it has nothing to do with the player's cause. It's the act of kneeling, then the Brees thing compounded it.

Huge discord from the shutdown, though. Before that, the impeachment. It's like it's something new every day. I've never seen people so pissed, but again, any real surprise?

Don't you agree it's toxic right now? Forget right or wrong or whether you agree, but don't you believe the climate is toxic right now?

 

[Football Jones]

Forgot to mention the riots/violence/canceling which is probably what's triggering people the most.

 

[The General]

One of the main gripes was the anthem thing with Brees, but it started way before then. You probably know what the flag/anthem means to many in middle-America. And it has nothing to with the player's cause. It's the act of kneeling, then the Brees thing compounded it.

Huge discord from the shutdown, though. Before that, the impeachment. It's like it's something new every day. I've never seen people so pissed, but again, any real surprise?

Don't you agree it's toxic right now? Forget right or wrong or whether you agree, but don't you believe the climate is toxic right now?

No denying we live are living in crazy times. 

 

[Football Jones]

No denying we live are living in crazy times. 

And in case you missed it above, the riots/violence/canceling really has people triggered.

 

[Football Jones]

I am super worried. I have been preaching worst case scenario for 5+ years now. It has somehow ended up even worse than I could have predicted. 

I think people should at least be concerned this could get out of hand.

We're in unchartered territory here.

 

[The General]

And in case you missed it above, the riots/violence/canceling really has people triggered.

I get it’s crazy times. I get people upset about COVID, that police murder a guy. We definitely have a powder keg situation there.

Brees apologizing and people kneeling before a football game are trivial to me. Same for banning the confederate flag from someone’s trailer parked at a race or a TV show getting cancelled. 

 

[Football Jones]

I get it’s crazy times. I get people upset about COVID, that police murder a guy. We definitely have a powder keg situation there.

Brees apologizing and people kneeling before a football game are trivial to me. Same for banning the confederate flag from someone’s trailer parked at a race or a TV show getting cancelled. 

Same with me, but there are degrees of how a person feels about certain issues.

To be clear, people are most triggered about the rioting/violence/canceling, but it's also a combination of things.

The Confederate flag thing is interesting because most people I know could care less, it's just the fact it's something that's being taken away by a group who many feel are asking for tolerance but not giving any. That's probably a good way to put it.

 

[The General]

Same with me, but there are degrees of how a person feels about certain issues.

To be clear, people are most triggered about the rioting/violence/canceling, but it's also a combination of things.

The Confederate flag thing is interesting because most people I know could care less, it's just the fact it's something that's being taken away by a group who many feel are asking for tolerance but not giving any. That's probably a good way to put it.

To the flag - it’s being asked by a business, one that is run by and caters to conservatives, to not be flown at their events.

I don’t know enough about the deal with this flag other than the obvious stuff but it seems to society is taking it away. Not the left.

Times change. History is littered with this type of thing.

It is amazing how were are going from a generational crisis, probably  the biggest in my lifetime, straight into some hardcore racial issues that also are biggest in decades. That definitely will push people to a precipice. 

 

[Football Jones]

To the flag - it’s being asked by a business, one that is run by and caters to conservatives, to not be flown at their events.

I don’t know enough about the deal with this flag other than the obvious stuff but it seems to society is taking it away. Not the left.

Times change. History is littered with this type of thing.

It is amazing how were are going from a generational crisis, probably  the biggest in my lifetime, straight into some hardcore racial issues that also are biggest in decades. That definitely will push people to a precipice. 

Yeah, what I worry about is like what you said, the powderkeg dynamic.

 

[The General]

Yeah, what I worry about is like what you said, the powder keg dynamic.

I hate to interject Trump into this but he is not the person we want to be at the helm of the ship here. He is tragically ill equipped for this.

I’m not saying he’s necessarily directly causing issues or that someone else’s solutions would be guaranteed to work but he certainly is not good at this. Stoking stuff, not capable of leadership, and generally not suited for the mechanisms of governing.

He’s good at being Trump. For some reason that I can’t understand this appeals to people (mystery of mysteries) and it has done him well.

But, he’s not good at the job. When the #### is going down he is focused on himself. No bueno. 

 

[[scooter]]

This dude is "retiring" over the flag issue

He supports the rights of people to express themselves in a manner which might offend other people.

Unless they're kneeling.

 

[Football Jones]

I hate to interject Trump into this but he is not the person we want to be at the helm of the ship here. He is tragically ill equipped for this.

I’m not saying he’s necessarily directly causing issues or that someone else’s solutions would be guaranteed to work but he certainly is not good at this. Stoking stuff, not capable of leadership, and generally not suited for the mechanisms of governing.

He’s good at being Trump. For some reason that I can’t understand this appeals to people (mystery of mysteries) and it has done him well.

But, he’s not good at the job. When the #### is going down he is focused on himself. No bueno. 

There's a million variables. The only thing I'll say is Trump can't do anything about BLM & what they're doing even if he wanted to. We'll see where that goes.

To be frank, I can't support them the way they're doing things. Lots of good people have been damaged physically, mentally, & financially. Also, with this canceling thing, they're going to be marked. It's not a stretch to say it's ruined some lives. I support their message & I've been going out of my way to do positive things in my community, but I simply won't give BLM immunity just because they have a good cause. Your racial injustice doesn't give you the right to act like a punk. Surely people can understand that.

Seems like everything is hitting at once which is a worry.

 

[Football Jones]

He supports the rights of people to express themselves in a manner which might offend other people.

Unless they're kneeling.

The same could be said with the intolerance for Brees. Forget whether he really saw the light & retracted, we saw what BLM's take on it was.

This is one crazy ####ed up situation we've got going with all this ####.

 

[The General]

There's a million variables. The only thing I'll say is Trump can't do anything about BLM & what they're doing even if he wanted to. We'll see where that goes.

To be frank, I can't support them the way they're doing things. Lots of good people have been damaged physically, mentally, & financially. Also, with this canceling thing, they're going to be marked. It's not a stretch to say it's ruined some lives. I support their message & I've been going out of my way to do positive things in my community, but I simply won't give BLM immunity just because they have a good cause. Your racial injustice doesn't give you the right to act like a punk. Surely people can understand that.

Seems like everything is hitting at once which is a worry.

Trump could work just a little less to make them his latest foil. It’s so transparent with his stupid tweets. 

 Granted, he has a lifetime of his act to deal with so yeah it would be tough for people to take him seriously when he tries to discuss healing racial wounds.

Wrong man for this job. Does not have the skill set. 

As to the punk behavior there are the punks on the cops side and the punks on the protestor side. These  ####ers are the enemy. With each other, but more important also to the vast majority in the middle. Not only should protestors feel it’s their place to put someone on blast for saying racist ####. They should if at all possible grab these little twerps trying to kick in a windows and pound them until they can hand them over to the cops.

Alliances made.

Same goes for cops dealing with their dirty brethren. They can keep us safe and do a difficult job and I’ll even cut them slack if the situation allows some understanding. But they need to clean house when they know they’ve got a bum. None of the union thin blue line ####.

 

[Football Jones]

Trump could work just a little less to make them his latest foil. It’s so transparent with his stupid tweets. 

 Granted, he has a lifetime of his act to deal with so yeah it would be tough for people to take him seriously when he tries to discuss healing racial wounds.

Wrong man for this job. Does not have the skill set. 

As to the punk behavior there are the punks on the cops side and the punks on the protestor side. These  ####ers are he enemy with each other but more important also to the vast majority in the middle. Nor only should protestors feel it’s their place to put someone on blast for saying racist ####. They should if at all possible grab one of these little twerps trying to kick in a window and pound them until they can hand them over to the cops. Alliances made.

Same goes for cops dealing with their dirty brethren. They can keep us safe and do a difficult job and I’ll even cut them slack if the situation allows some understanding. But they need to clean house to when they know they’ve got a bum. 

I hear ya, man.

 

[Football Jones]

Well, catch you guys later.

I actually think I'm going to go to the gym to relieve some stress, LOL.

Maybe Friday will be better.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

Maybe stick to ice cream? 

To be fair, I didn't coin this phrase but if the shoe fits....

https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1268213074345017344?s=20

Democrats have always pandered to the black community during an election cycle, then poof...

 

[AAABatteries]

LOL.

I've heard it stated several times Brees has been shady.

I have no idea what they're talking about.

Anyone?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368304

YWIA

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

There's no right or wrong here

Except that there is!  Maybe it is unpleasant to be told constantly that your beliefs are problematic.  Maybe it creates resentment and hostility.  But right and wrong doesn't get turned off because one says it is "my opinion".   

 

[belljr]

So people keep saying they are worried

Worried about what?

People mad at Nascar? People not allowed to express a difference of opinion (that is a valid opinion?)

What exactly is worrisome?

 

[sho nuff]

Also funny to me is how some want to claim kneeling is disrespecting the flag and country...yet some of those same people wish to fly a flag that quite literally is that of those who broke away and fought against the country.

 

[Football Jones]

Also funny to me is how some want to claim kneeling is disrespecting the flag and country...yet some of those same people wish to fly a flag that quite literally is that of those who broke away and fought against the country.

I could care less about Confederate anything, but you can believe whatever you want about the flag & so can others.

However, there are some people that believe they have the right to fly it who are no more racist than you or I. Many of them are good people whether you want to believe it or not.

I'll tell you this much...if they're racist, they aren't very good at it.

 

[Football Jones]

Except that there is!  Maybe it is unpleasant to be told constantly that your beliefs are problematic.  Maybe it creates resentment and hostility.  But right and wrong doesn't get turned off because one says it is "my opinion".   

You're missing my point. 

The two opposing views cancel each other out & you're simply left with stances & causes.

 

[sho nuff]

I could care less about Confederate anything, but you can believe whatever you want about the flag & so can others.

However, there are some people that believe they have the right to fly it who are no more racist than you or I. Many of them are good people whether you want to believe it or not.

I'll tell you this much...if they're racist, they aren't very good at it.

I don't believe I said the word racist...I think I was clear that many people who claim kneeling for the anthem is disrespectful to the flag...are flying a flag that quite literally was disrespectful to the United States.  It was an enemy...not sure what that has to do with claims of racism or good people or not.

 

[Football Jones]

I don't believe I said the word racist...I think I was clear that many people who claim kneeling for the anthem is disrespectful to the flag...are flying a flag that quite literally was disrespectful to the United States.  It was an enemy...not sure what that has to do with claims of racism or good people or not.

We can do this all day.

 

[Kal El]

I could care less about Confederate anything, but you can believe whatever you want about the flag & so can others.

However, there are some people that believe they have the right to fly it who are no more racist than you or I. Many of them are good people whether you want to believe it or not.

I'll tell you this much...if they're racist, they aren't very good at it.

The Confederate flag is a symbol that has been used over the past century and a half to systematically oppress and terrorize people of color, usually of African descent. That is not a belief, that is a fact. The knowledge that a surprising amount of people still fly it while being ignorant of its origins is disturbing, but unsurprising. However, those who display it in that manner are not necessarily racist, but are certainly ignorant, and need to educate themselves.

 

[sho nuff]

We can do this all day.

Im sure some could ignore what I actually said all day in order to make a different point.  Seems to be the usual schtick by some.

 

[Football Jones]

The Confederate flag is a symbol that has been used over the past century and a half to systematically oppress and terrorize people of color, usually of African descent. That is not a belief, that is a fact. The knowledge that a surprising amount of people still fly it while being ignorant of its origins is disturbing, but unsurprising. However, those who display it in that manner are not necessarily racist, but are certainly ignorant, and need to educate themselves.

Haha.

It's not a symbol of that for many. There's a much deeper problem here.

You, or anyone else, don't get to decide what's right or wrong in regards to opinions & things like flying flags, which doesn't physically hurt anyone. The Confederate flag thing will take care of itself, one way or the other. Same as if somebody wanted to fly another "offensive" flag. The problem is the intolerance. It doesn't matter if Brees saw the light & retracted, you saw what BLM's take on it was. It's wrong. Those two things are the same concept.

We can choose to be offended by anything. I'm offended by a great deal going on right now, but I realize it's their right to own that opinion.

This nonsense will get us nowhere.

 

[Football Jones]

Im sure some could ignore what I actually said all day in order to make a different point.  Seems to be the usual schtick by some.

The truth is hard to take, man.

You don't get to be the decider of opinions.

 

[[scooter]]

You, or anyone else, don't get to decide what's right or wrong in regards to opinions & things like flying flags, which doesn't physically hurt anyone.

Kneeling doesn't hurt anyone, either. And yet you wrote this:

Kneeling is wrong for many reasons

 

[Football Jones]

Kneeling doesn't hurt anyone, either. And yet you wrote this:

That is absolutely correct.

I get to own that opinion. Brees should've been able to support the movement, but still hold his opinion on the flag/anthem.

He was trying to do that in his original statement & got curbstomped.

What happened to him (& the fact he retracted is beside the point) was disgraceful.

Just a blatant lack of tolerance. 

 

[[scooter]]

Kneeling doesn't hurt anyone, either. And yet you wrote this:

That is absolutely correct.

I get to own that opinion.

You own the opinion that kneeling is wrong.

You also own the opinion that other people don't get to decide what's right or wrong.

Freedom for me, but not for thee. You're the embodiment of the exact traits that you criticize in others.

 

[Football Jones]

You own the opinion that kneeling is wrong.

You also own the opinion that other people don't get to decide what's right or wrong.

Freedom for me, but not for thee. You're the embodiment of the exact traits that you criticize in others.

Except you forget I've stated they have the right. I've also stated I won't boo when they do kneel. Your argument doesn't make any sense.

BLM, nor anyone else, gets immunity because they have a good cause. They need to check themselves & do it quickly. The toxic canceling is getting out of control.

I've been doing positive things in my community in regards to the movement, but I won't fall in line with the narrative. Neither will millions of others. It is what it is.

Middle ground is needed. I'm hoping the toxic stuff starts fading & we can have some mutual understanding. I have faith.

 

[Your Mother]

Haha.

It's not a symbol of that for many. There's a much deeper problem here.

You, or anyone else, don't get to decide what's right or wrong in regards to opinions & things like flying flags, which doesn't physically hurt anyone. The Confederate flag thing will take care of itself, one way or the other. Same as if somebody wanted to fly another "offensive" flag. The problem is the intolerance. It doesn't matter if Brees saw the light & retracted, you saw what BLM's take on it was. It's wrong. Those two things are the same concept.

We can choose to be offended by anything. I'm offended by a great deal going on right now, but I realize it's their right to own that opinion.

This nonsense will get us nowhere.

So, if I wanted to fly a KKK flag or a Nazi flag, that's totally cool if it doesn't mean to me what it means to someone that might be uncomfortable looking at it.

You're right, the problem IS the intolerance.  If I'm flying a rebel flag because to me, it represents my Southern heritage and nothing more, then it's just too bad if someone else seeing it feels like it's a token of oppression. 

 

[Your Mother]

The truth is hard to take, man.

You don't get to be the decider of opinions.

Apparently, NASCAR does get to be.  Their patrons have a choice - leave the flag at home or fly it and get kicked out and lose the money they spent on tickets. Pretty simple, really.

 

[Football Jones]

So, if I wanted to fly a KKK flag or a Nazi flag, that's totally cool if it doesn't mean to me what it means to someone that might be uncomfortable looking at it.

You're right, the problem IS the intolerance.  If I'm flying a rebel flag because to me, it represents my Southern heritage and nothing more, then it's just too bad if someone else seeing it feels like it's a token of oppression. 

No, I wasn't going there. There's been some talk of certain flags which are more mainstream that offend people (can't think of an example right now). I just meant people can be offended by damn near anything these days. It's a toxic culture.

Adults should have common sense & what you stated about the Confederate flag is what I'm referring to.

 

[Football Jones]

Apparently, NASCAR does get to be.  Their patrons have a choice - leave the flag at home or fly it and get kicked out and lose the money they spent on tickets. Pretty simple, really.

Yeah, that's why I said it'll be taken care of one way or the other. Kind of interested to see how it plays out.

There's a much deeper problem with the concept of opinion decidership, though.

 

[Ilov80s]

Kind of hard to defend not being racist while flying the flag of an army that's entire existence was to protect slavery. It's like wearing a KKK hood and saying, "I'm not racist, I just respect the history and heritage. My great grandfather was in the Klan and so it's a matter of respect to him more than anything. I don't know why people think just wearing this hood makes me a racist." 

 

[bigbottom]

The same could be said with the intolerance for Brees. Forget whether he really saw the light & retracted, we saw what BLM's take on it was.

This is one crazy ####ed up situation we've got going with all this ####.

Kaepernick lost his job. Doubt that happens to Brees.