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Some players that aren't on the roster that I think should be: John Wall
7 PGs are on the list. I don't think they want to drop Rose due to injury. I don't have an issue with him being off. The U.S. is deep in PGs.
That and the fact he can't shoot will make it tough for him to make it going forward. He was invited to last year's camp but remember even Rose is a better 3 point shooter. Only PG near as bad shooting wise is Westbrook. It is weird to see Beal make it over Wall but that is why Beal, Korver, and Klay Thompson all got invites.

 
Some players that aren't on the roster that I think should be: John Wall
7 PGs are on the list. I don't think they want to drop Rose due to injury. I don't have an issue with him being off. The U.S. is deep in PGs.
That and the fact he can't shoot will make it tough for him to make it going forward. He was invited to last year's camp but remember even Rose is a better 3 point shooter. Only PG near as bad shooting wise is Westbrook. It is weird to see Beal make it over Wall but that is why Beal, Korver, and Klay Thompson all got invites.
His shooting numbers are similar to Irving's across the board this year and superior in pretty much every other facet of the game (every NBA analyst I read had him over Irving in their All-Star picks). His shooting numbers are also similar to Rose's from the last time Rose was healthy. too. Lillard's better from 3 but worse inside the arc. That leaves only Paul, Curry, and Lillard from deep as clearly superior shooters.

The notion that he can't shoot is outdated. It's still not a strength but it's not the disaster it once was. The fact that he can at least hit the three about a third of the time is all he needs- it prevents defenders from slacking off him like they did in his first two seasons.

 
Agree that he's turned into a credible (though not good) three point shooter, though he still loves that pull up free throw line jumper which he is pretty bad with. Still, his game doesn't seem ideally suited for international play.

 
Agree that he's turned into a credible (though not good) three point shooter, though he still loves that pull up free throw line jumper which he is pretty bad with. Still, his game doesn't seem ideally suited for international play.
He's not terrible from his sweet spot on the right elbow, but that has had the unfortunate effect of giving him confidence in his midrange shot generally, which as you say has not been good. The whole team has problem with it, though.

One thing he does that brings his numbers down just a bit that's actually a good thing is he ALWAYS works the 2 for 1. Even if the Wiz start a possession with around 35 seconds in a quarter, he'll rush down and pull up immediately for a low percentage shot, which is the right play. It's a small thing but it's representative of the improvements he's made since January 2013 that don't necessarily show up in the traditional stats.

 
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Some players that aren't on the roster that I think should be: John Wall
7 PGs are on the list. I don't think they want to drop Rose due to injury. I don't have an issue with him being off. The U.S. is deep in PGs.
That and the fact he can't shoot will make it tough for him to make it going forward. He was invited to last year's camp but remember even Rose is a better 3 point shooter. Only PG near as bad shooting wise is Westbrook. It is weird to see Beal make it over Wall but that is why Beal, Korver, and Klay Thompson all got invites.
His shooting numbers are similar to Irving's across the board this year and superior in pretty much every other facet of the game (every NBA analyst I read had him over Irving in their All-Star picks). His shooting numbers are also similar to Rose's from the last time Rose was healthy. too. Lillard's better from 3 but worse inside the arc. That leaves only Paul, Curry, and Lillard from deep as clearly superior shooters.

The notion that he can't shoot is outdated. It's still not a strength but it's not the disaster it once was. The fact that he can at least hit the three about a third of the time is all he needs- it prevents defenders from slacking off him like they did in his first two seasons.
Let's be honest though, he's no where near Irving as a shooter. Kyrie had an absolutely abysmal first month shooting the rock but has since righted he ship.

I love Wall and have touted him as a franchise player when many were doubting, but amongst the group of players you mention, I think he's clearly the worst shooter. Fortunately, after Westbrook I'd say Wall is the best overall athlete, which is why he's so exciting to follow b/c his jumper is and should continue to improve.

 
This JR Smith quote is amazing:

Asked his view of Woodson’s defensive system, Smith said: “That’s really not my area of expertise. I’m more of a scoring-type player. I’ll leave that to those guys. Whatever they want to do, it’s OK with me. Just let me know.’’
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This JR Smith quote is amazing:

Asked his view of Woodson’s defensive system, Smith said: “That’s really not my area of expertise. I’m more of a scoring-type player. I’ll leave that to those guys. Whatever they want to do, it’s OK with me. Just let me know.’’
Link
LOL

This sounds like something an NFL wide receiver would say. Why would he even bother to run down the floor? Just get to half court for the outlet and let it fly.

 
Some players that aren't on the roster that I think should be: John Wall
7 PGs are on the list. I don't think they want to drop Rose due to injury. I don't have an issue with him being off. The U.S. is deep in PGs.
That and the fact he can't shoot will make it tough for him to make it going forward. He was invited to last year's camp but remember even Rose is a better 3 point shooter. Only PG near as bad shooting wise is Westbrook. It is weird to see Beal make it over Wall but that is why Beal, Korver, and Klay Thompson all got invites.
His shooting numbers are similar to Irving's across the board this year and superior in pretty much every other facet of the game (every NBA analyst I read had him over Irving in their All-Star picks). His shooting numbers are also similar to Rose's from the last time Rose was healthy. too. Lillard's better from 3 but worse inside the arc. That leaves only Paul, Curry, and Lillard from deep as clearly superior shooters.

The notion that he can't shoot is outdated. It's still not a strength but it's not the disaster it once was. The fact that he can at least hit the three about a third of the time is all he needs- it prevents defenders from slacking off him like they did in his first two seasons.
So 31.8% from 3 is close to 37.3% from 3? From everything I've heard on ESPN tonight about the ASG, the biggest reason they put Wall ahead of Irving was b/c Wall's team is good and Irving's team sucks. As far as shooting, of course he is better inside the arc than Lillard b/c he is a better finisher at the rim. But for the international game, the 3 is more important. If you look at Vorped shots outside the paint but inside the arc, Wall is 104/282 for 36.9% compared to Lillard at 48/101 at 47.5%. Yes, Wall shoots 62% at the rim compared to Lillard at 46% but that isn't really helping your case about better shooter. Similarly, Irving is at 41%.

They are better shooters than Wall. The only PGs who shoot as bad are Rose and Westbrook. Both of them have previous experience with team USA so they probably get in b/c of that.

 
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Melo with the most points in NBA history without a turnover
Maybe he's not a top 10 player anymore, but he's really good and worth the max contract he's about to get.
He's a top 10 player.
I'm a huge fan and would love him in Houston but...Lebron

Durant

George

Love

Paul

Davis

Harden

Howard

Curry

Aldridge

Griffin

Westbrook

You sure?
He's definitely better than Griffin and Westbrook. You can make compelling arguments for him over Harden, Davis, Curry & even Howard. I'd personally rank him over Harden & Davis, putting Melo at #9
 
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Melo with the most points in NBA history without a turnover
Maybe he's not a top 10 player anymore, but he's really good and worth the max contract he's about to get.
He's a top 10 player.
I'm a huge fan and would love him in Houston but...

Lebron

Durant

George

Love

Paul

Davis

Harden

Howard

Curry

Aldridge

Griffin

Westbrook

You sure?
Griffin? I'd take Cousins and David Lee both over Griffin. Not sayingthey are top 10 either.

 
Griffin is 22/10 with improved defense and only 24 years old. My list wasn't necessarily a firm order and my perspective doesn't include the fact that melo is older and about to be on another max deal while some guys listed are on cheap contracts.

I'd probably slot him between harden and Howard on my list (as in if the Knicks offered him straight up for Howard and he was guaranteed to resign I would probably do it...probably).

 
Wow, Pacers pull out a hard-fought win against the Kings. Kings Guards were on fire! 80 points

between them.
I assume you will not be complaining about the refs any more after George got the MJ like superstar call to force overtime.
Really? Did you watch that game? This was the 1 call the Pacers seemed to get all night. This doesn't compare to a game deciding call in the playoffs.

 
Wow, Pacers pull out a hard-fought win against the Kings. Kings Guards were on fire! 80 points

between them.
I assume you will not be complaining about the refs any more after George got the MJ like superstar call to force overtime.
Really? Did you watch that game? This was the 1 call the Pacers seemed to get all night.This doesn't compare to a game deciding call in the playoffs.
:lmao:

 
Wow, Pacers pull out a hard-fought win against

the Kings. Kings Guards were on fire! 80 points

between them.
I assume you will not be complaining about the refs any more after George got the MJ like superstar call to force overtime.
Really? Did you watch that game? This was the 1 call the Pacers seemed to get all night.This doesn't compare to a game deciding call in the playoffs.
:lmao:
Is this the extent of your brain working? It seems as though. Do you have any real insight to add?
 
Wow, Pacers pull out a hard-fought win against

the Kings. Kings Guards were on fire! 80 points

between them.
I assume you will not be complaining about the refs any more after George got the MJ like superstar call to forceovertime.
Really? Did you watch that game? This was the 1 call the Pacers seemed to get all night.This doesn't compare to a game deciding call in the playoffs.
:lmao:
Is this the extent of your brain working? It seems as though. Do you have any real insight to add?
No, that's it.

Seriously, homeriam is fine (I'm just about the worst offender in this thread w/r/t Houston). But reread your above posts...complaining about the best player/team getting the favorable calls in the playoffs, which is as old as the game itself. Then your guy gets a call and you try to invalidate it not once, but twice. It's funny.

 
Some players that aren't on the roster that I think should be: John Wall
7 PGs are on the list. I don't think they want to drop Rose due to injury. I don't have an issue with him being off. The U.S. is deep in PGs.
That and the fact he can't shoot will make it tough for him to make it going forward. He was invited to last year's camp but remember even Rose is a better 3 point shooter. Only PG near as bad shooting wise is Westbrook. It is weird to see Beal make it over Wall but that is why Beal, Korver, and Klay Thompson all got invites.
His shooting numbers are similar to Irving's across the board this year and superior in pretty much every other facet of the game (every NBA analyst I read had him over Irving in their All-Star picks). His shooting numbers are also similar to Rose's from the last time Rose was healthy. too. Lillard's better from 3 but worse inside the arc. That leaves only Paul, Curry, and Lillard from deep as clearly superior shooters. The notion that he can't shoot is outdated. It's still not a strength but it's not the disaster it once was. The fact that he can at least hit the three about a third of the time is all he needs- it prevents defenders from slacking off him like they did in his first two seasons.
So 31.8% from 3 is close to 37.3% from 3? From everything I've heard on ESPN tonight about the ASG, the biggest reason they put Wall ahead of Irving was b/c Wall's team is good and Irving's team sucks. As far as shooting, of course he is better inside the arc than Lillard b/c he is a better finisher at the rim. But for the international game, the 3 is more important. If you look at Vorped shots outside the paint but inside the arc, Wall is 104/282 for 36.9% compared to Lillard at 48/101 at 47.5%. Yes, Wall shoots 62% at the rim compared to Lillard at 46% but that isn't really helping your case about better shooter. Similarly, Irving is at 41%. They are better shooters than Wall. The only PGs who shoot as bad are Rose and Westbrook. Both of them have previous experience with team USA so they probably get in b/c of that.
And they've both been outplayed by Lowry this year (40% from 3 as well)

 
Melo with the most points in NBA history without a turnover
Maybe he's not a top 10 player anymore, but he's really good and worth the max contract he's about to get.
He's a top 10 player.
I'm a huge fan and would love him in Houston but...

Lebron

Durant

George

Love

Paul

Davis

Harden

Howard

Curry

Aldridge

Griffin

Westbrook

You sure?
Melo the player is better than most on this list.

As an asset, he moves down the list due to age and $

 

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