*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Props to Doc Rivers for not holding back.

 

[Abraham]

Doc makes a ton of sense. "It was a foul but you can't review that. The ball went off of him." He's really good at this job.

 

[CurlyNight]

Have they ever changed a call after a game is over in a game defining situation before? Is that call it?

 

[rascal]

OKC fans should feel dirty

 

[UniAlias]

Have they ever changed a call after a game is over in a game defining situation before? Is that call it?

 

[CurlyNight]

Have they ever changed a call after a game is over in a game defining situation before? Is that call it?

I guess that be a no.

 

[bryhamm]

:X

 

[Britney Spears]

Series changing mistake by officials.

Also seems strange that OKC has adopted "Shipping up to Boston" from the Celtics.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers isn't awaiting a memo from NBA: "I don’t need it. I’ll release the memo: They blew the call. That’s the memo."

 

[Zigg]

Doc makes a ton of sense. "It was a foul but you can't review that. The ball went off of him." He's really good at this job.

That's why there shouldn't be reviews. Refs give the ball OOB instead of calling a foul ALL THE TIME, and that's much better than calling stupid fouls.

 

[Abraham]

Limited scope makes reviews dumb. Like fumbled in the nfl

 

[Spartans Rule]

Pistons have hired Stan Van Gundy

I was gonna type something about this but I can't say it any better than Sir Charles just did: "He's got his hands full with them damn bums."

 

[Judge Smails]

Clippers didn't do themselves any favors on several possessions. The refs always suck, but a big choke job by LAC also.

This. Nobody to blame. Horrific collapse. I'm so disappointed in Chris Paul. A star point guard can't let that game get away. Horrible fouls and turnovers, including not getting a shot at the end. One of the worst collapses I've ever seen.

 

[Max Power]

Rivers isn't awaiting a memo from NBA: "I don’t need it. I’ll release the memo: They blew the call. That’s the memo."

Doc's gonna see a fine for this...

 

[Raider Nation]

Rivers isn't awaiting a memo from NBA: "I don’t need it. I’ll release the memo: They blew the call. That’s the memo."

Doc's gonna see a fine for this...

Zero shits were given.

 

[Max Power]

Clippers didn't do themselves any favors on several possessions. The refs always suck, but a big choke job by LAC also.

This. Nobody to blame. Horrific collapse. I'm so disappointed in Chris Paul. A star point guard can't let that game get away. Horrible fouls and turnovers, including not getting a shot at the end. One of the worst collapses I've ever seen.

Paul had a terrible final minute, but he is basically the reason the Clips are where they are.

Paul was +11 tonight and Collison was -15 (in 10 minutes)

 

[Daywalker]

Clippers didn't do themselves any favors on several possessions. The refs always suck, but a big choke job by LAC also.

This. Nobody to blame. Horrific collapse. I'm so disappointed in Chris Paul. A star point guard can't let that game get away. Horrible fouls and turnovers, including not getting a shot at the end. One of the worst collapses I've ever seen.

Wasn't Paul dishing to a completely covered Blake on that last possession?

 

[Daywalker]

The stats clearly say CP3 but man I'd have a tough time taking him over T. Parker.

 

[phrozen]

I've read this thread nearly every day for 4 years or however long it's existed, and I have 136 posts? I need to step it up.

Same here and I have single digit posts. Pretty sad really.

 

[Raider Nation]

I've read this thread nearly every day for 4 years or however long it's existed, and I have 136 posts? I need to step it up.

Same here and I have single digit posts. Pretty sad really.

I haven't liked the NBA product since the 80's and I have 1119 posts.

 

[Raider Nation]

Referee Tony Brothers:

“When the ball goes out of bounds, the ball was awarded to Oklahoma City. We go review the play. We saw two replays. The two replays we saw were from the overhead camera showing down and the one from under the basket showing the same angle but from a different view. And from those two replays, it was inconclusive as to who the ball went out of bounds off of. When it’s inconclusive, we have to go with the call that was on the floor.”

 

[nysfl2]

Referee Tony Brothers:

“When the ball goes out of bounds, the ball was awarded to Oklahoma City. We go review the play. We saw two replays. The two replays we saw were from the overhead camera showing down and the one from under the basket showing the same angle but from a different view. And from those two replays, it was inconclusive as to who the ball went out of bounds off of. When it’s inconclusive, we have to go with the call that was on the floor.”

The right call was obviously a foul. It would have been a far bigger error (real-world, not according to the strict interpretation of the rules) to have given the ball to the Clippers there. The refs did the right thing on that call to give the ball to the team who deserved it.

The foul call on the 3 pointer was a much worse call.

 

[thecatch]

Chris Paul was mugged on the final play.

Griffin also had an epic moving screen.

 

[pizzatyme]

Clippers didn't do themselves any favors on several possessions. The refs always suck, but

a big choke job by LAC also.

This. Nobody to blame. Horrific collapse. I'm so disappointed in Chris Paul. A star point guard can't let that game get away. Horrible fouls and turnovers, including not getting a shot at the end. One of the worst collapses I've ever seen.

You must have missed last night's Pacers game? Epic collapse of pride.

 

[Freelove]

Clippers didn't do themselves any favors on several possessions. The refs always suck, but

a big choke job by LAC also.

This. Nobody to blame. Horrific collapse. I'm so disappointed in Chris Paul. A star point guard can't let that game get away. Horrible fouls andturnovers, including not getting a shot at the end. One of the worst collapses I've ever seen.

You must have missed last night's Pacers game? Epic collapse of pride.

Yeah, but we didn't see it, since apparently they collapsed well before tipoff.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm not as fired up about that out of bounds call as most others seem to be. They've got that rule about if the defender hits the hand and the ball goes off the hand the ball stays with the offense, which is a good rule, and at least arguably applies here.

I actually thought the foul on the Westbrook three attempt was just as shaky, especially if they're not gonna call this on the following possession. Certainly at least as much contact on Paul there as Paul made on Westbrook.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It is both amazing and pathetic that Thursday night will be the biggest basketball game in Washington DC in 35 years.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Not sure how any of you can take this sport seriously. The WWE has more credibility.

Was at the game, and the calls early in the game for the Clippers were suspect at best, and the last few minutes that helped the the Thunder were EPIC!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Referee Tony Brothers:

“When the ball goes out of bounds, the ball was awarded to Oklahoma City. We go review the play. We saw two replays. The two replays we saw were from the overhead camera showing down and the one from under the basket showing the same angle but from a different view. And from those two replays, it was inconclusive as to who the ball went out of bounds off of. When it’s inconclusive, we have to go with the call that was on the floor.”

The right call was obviously a foul. It would have been a far bigger error (real-world, not according to the strict interpretation of the rules) to have given the ball to the Clippers there. The refs did the right thing on that call to give the ball to the team who deserved it.The foul call on the 3 pointer was a much worse call.

Sure, Westbrook left a pretty clean look two feet short and two feet left with no contact.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Referee Tony Brothers:

“When the ball goes out of bounds, the ball was awarded to Oklahoma City. We go review the play. We saw two replays. The two replays we saw were from the overhead camera showing down and the one from under the basket showing the same angle but from a different view. And from those two replays, it was inconclusive as to who the ball went out of bounds off of. When it’s inconclusive, we have to go with the call that was on the floor.”

The right call was obviously a foul. It would have been a far bigger error (real-world, not according to the strict interpretation of the rules) to have given the ball to the Clippers there. The refs did the right thing on that call to give the ball to the team who deserved it.The foul call on the 3 pointer was a much worse call.

Sure, Westbrook left a pretty clean look two feet short and two feet left with no contact.

It sounds like you're being sarcastic, but I'm not sure why. Westbrook was several feet behind the line, didn't have his feet set and is a pretty poor long range shooter to begin with. We're not talking about Kyle Korver badly missing a catch and shoot three here.

 

[thecatch]

It is both amazing and pathetic that Thursday night will be the biggest basketball game in Washington DC in 35 years.

You attending? I turned down tickets after going to games 3-4 - those were kind of a buzz kill. I think the wizards would honestly prefer to just play the last two at Indy the way they've been playing on the road in the playoffs.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Not sure how any of you can take this sport seriously. The WWE has more credibility.

Certainly entitled to your opinion, but I hate this shtick. There will always be blown calls..refs are human. Some unbelievable talent and skill (and a few coaches even) in the NBA right now and tons of stories for fans to get excited about.

ETA: take that to the bank brohans

 

[TobiasFunke]

It is both amazing and pathetic that Thursday night will be the biggest basketball game in Washington DC in 35 years.

You attending? I turned down tickets after going to games 3-4 - those were kind of a buzz kill. I think the wizards would honestly prefer to just play the last two at Indy the way they've been playing on the road in the playoffs.

Yup I'll be there. Only playoff game I've missed so far is Game 3 of this one, got very lucky and had a scheduling conflict for that disaster.

Trying to tell myself the reverse home/road splits are just a weird coincidence and can't continue, although I do worry that Wall tries to do too much at home. The fact that his go-to celebration is pounding his chest and yelling "this is my city!!!" makes me think maybe that's an issue.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

It is both amazing and pathetic that Thursday night will be the biggest basketball game in Washington DC in 35 years.

You attending? I turned down tickets after going to games 3-4 - those were kind of a buzz kill. I think the wizards would honestly prefer to just play the last two at Indy the way they've been playing on the road in the playoffs.

Yup I'll be there. Only playoff game I've missed so far is Game 3 of this one, got very lucky and had a scheduling conflict for that disaster.

Trying to tell myself the reverse home/road splits are just a weird coincidence and can't continue, although I do worry that Wall tries to do too much at home. The fact that his go-to celebration is pounding his chest and yelling "this is my city!!!" makes me think maybe that's an issue.

Awesome. Have fun GB.

 

[Short Corner]

That elbow tap is money if you don't get caught.

 

[Popinski]

I'm not as fired up about that out of bounds call as most others seem to be. They've got that rule about if the defender hits the hand and the ball goes off the hand the ball stays with the offense, which is a good rule, and at least arguably applies here.

I actually thought the foul on the Westbrook three attempt was just as shaky, especially if they're not gonna call this on the following possession. Certainly at least as much contact on Paul there as Paul made on Westbrook.

This picture is more convincing than any I've seen of Paul on Westbrook. I think Paul probably did make contact, but I'm not certain.

As for the out of bounds play, it's not necessarily true that the refs saw the foul and therefore decided to let OKC keep possession. The ref said they had 2 replay angles to look at, which means they didn't have the first one shown here which is the one that best shows it went off of Jackson. But even with the under the basket view, although we can't see Jackson's hand touching the ball, it's hard to imagine any other scenario given its trajectory. They shouldn't need 100% evidence for it to qualify as "conclusive" evidence.

Interestingly, if the proper call of a foul on Barnes was made, Jackson would be shooting 2 FTs with only a chance to tie, instead of Westbrook giving OKC the lead with his 3 FTs.

 

[Timmay]

I think Doc has a case to be upset over the calls at the end of the game but more about Paul getting fouled and Paul fouling Westbrook on the 3-pointer. I do think the refs made the right call on the Reggie Jackson play. It looked like it was a foul at the end on Barnes, but touched last by Jackson. Refs called it inconclusive after replay, but you see that in that NBA almost every game, where the refs have to take into effect the rule of the offensive player getting hit on the hand/possible foul and it goes out of bounds, giving the ball to the offense. Those calls are usually in a much less critical situation though, so I think it is getting blown out of proportion right now.

 

[Dentist]

the NBA is full of all kinds of problems.. but at least it's looking like the final 4 will be the proper teams that belong after there were some serious scares in round 1.

No league does as good of a job at eliminating upsets as the NBA

 

[Synthesizer]

Replay in basketball is a bad idea. It tainted the NCAA tourney and here it is doing the same for the NBA. Enjoy the game and the human element. There's no need to analyze/complain about every close call when the ball goes out of bounds. In the last 2 minutes only of course.

 

[Timmay]

Replay in basketball is a bad idea. It tainted the NCAA tourney and here it is doing the same for the NBA. Enjoy the game and the human element. There's no need to analyze/complain about every close call when the ball goes out of bounds. In the last 2 minutes only of course.

I agree with having replay the way the NBA has it. But if they change it to look at common fouls that is when it could really be a huge problem for me.

 

[fantasycurse42]

the NBA is full of all kinds of problems.. but at least it's looking like the final 4 will be the proper teams that belong after there were some serious scares in round 1.

No league does as good of a job at eliminating upsets as the NBA

We shouldn't even have a first or second round... Straight to the conference finals after the regular season.

AMIRITE?

 

[Synthesizer]

Replay in basketball is a bad idea. It tainted the NCAA tourney and here it is doing the same for the NBA. Enjoy the game and the human element. There's no need to analyze/complain about every close call when the ball goes out of bounds. In the last 2 minutes only of course.

I agree with having replay the way the NBA has it. But if they change it to look at common fouls that is when it could really be a huge problem for me.

How many times have we seen a replay show the ball go off a fingertip.... because the player's arm is being grabbed. It's a no-win situation. IMO the best solution is to remove the replay and just allow the call to be made as it would be the other 95% of the game.

 

[Timmay]

Replay in basketball is a bad idea. It tainted the NCAA tourney and here it is doing the same for the NBA. Enjoy the game and the human element. There's no need to analyze/complain about every close call when the ball goes out of bounds. In the last 2 minutes only of course.

I agree with having replay the way the NBA has it. But if they change it to look at common fouls that is when it could really be a huge problem for me.

How many times have we seen a replay show the ball go off a fingertip.... because the player's arm is being grabbed. It's a no-win situation. IMO the best solution is to remove the replay and just allow the call to be made as it would be the other 95% of the game.

The human element of calls is fine, but when the game is on the line, I want the calls to be as close to being right as possible. Be it called by a human or a robot.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Replay in basketball is a bad idea. It tainted the NCAA tourney and here it is doing the same for the NBA. Enjoy the game and the human element. There's no need to analyze/complain about every close call when the ball goes out of bounds. In the last 2 minutes only of course.

I agree with having replay the way the NBA has it. But if they change it to look at common fouls that is when it could really be a huge problem for me.

How many times have we seen a replay show the ball go off a fingertip.... because the player's arm is being grabbed. It's a no-win situation. IMO the best solution is to remove the replay and just allow the call to be made as it would be the other 95% of the game.

They could very easily just tinker with the wording on the rule that allows a team to keep possession if they are the last to touch it but it goes out as as result of contact to the hand by the opposing team. Make it broader and give the refs more discretion. Or just make it a point of emphasis to enforce the exception more often. Voila, problem solved, plus you still get to correct blown calls through replay AND you avoid a situation where common foul calls are made via replay.

 

[Abraham]

The Grantland piece on last night's game is sensational. Includes a great pic of KD sitting with his back to westbrook during the free throws. Also includes this awesome paragraph:

Westbrook’s grand finale saw him take a 3, with seven seconds left, while guarded by Chris Paul, while Kevin Durant was on the floor, with the Thunder’s season hanging by a piece of dental floss. Somewhere, in the middle of the night, Marcin Gortat put 300 on. Hero #### was happening. He was fouled by Chris Paul. Maybe you don’t think so. Congratulations on your unique perspective. The Spurs are on tonight.

 

[Dentist]

the NBA is full of all kinds of problems.. but at least it's looking like the final 4 will be the proper teams that belong after there were some serious scares in round 1.

No league does as good of a job at eliminating upsets as the NBA

We shouldn't even have a first or second round... Straight to the conference finals after the regular season.

AMIRITE?

i think 8 teams should make the playoffs. 1 large conference

 

[Ghost Rider]

the NBA is full of all kinds of problems.. but at least it's looking like the final 4 will be the proper teams that belong after there were some serious scares in round 1.

No league does as good of a job at eliminating upsets as the NBA

We shouldn't even have a first or second round... Straight to the conference finals after the regular season.

AMIRITE?

i think 8 teams should make the playoffs. 1 large conference

To hell with that. Just skip the playoffs altogether and award the championship to the team that finishes with the best record, right?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

New to Dentist?

 

[fantasycurse42]

the NBA is full of all kinds of problems.. but at least it's looking like the final 4 will be the proper teams that belong after there were some serious scares in round 1.

No league does as good of a job at eliminating upsets as the NBA

We shouldn't even have a first or second round... Straight to the conference finals after the regular season.

AMIRITE?

i think 8 teams should make the playoffs. 1 large conference

To hell with that. Just skip the playoffs altogether and award the championship to the team that finishes with the best record, right?

Why have a regular season? Lets just vote preseason on a champion.

 

[fantasycurse42]

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