*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[RUSF18]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 10m

Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 9m

Proposed deal would send two Mavs starters to Knicks -- Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderón -- as well as prized young guard Shane Larkin

Seems like a good trade for Dallas but an awful trade for NYK. The Knicks dump some salary this year, but get stuck with $22m of Calderon over the next three seasons. They should be looking to dump anything they can salary wise past this upcoming season to try to hit free agency hard a year from now.

ETA: And calling Larkin prized is good stuff.

Your last sentence had been the plan, from everything I heard/read.

 

[Max Power]

One source said that the Kings' focus, for the moment, is Thursday's draft and perhaps swinging a trade involving the No. 8 overall pick. Sources told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Tuesday that Sacramento has narrowed its potential draft pick trade partners down to Boston, Phoenix and Philadelphia -- three teams that have multiple first-round picks.

Sounds like the Bulls are out of the running for the #8 pick.

 

[Celph Titled]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

I haven't heard what the Sixers are offering, but I don't think it will be better than the #4, #14 and Afflalo.

 

[RUSF18]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

That was insane.

edit to add: My favorite part of the article is where he uses his math skills to figure out that you have a 60% chance of getting a top 3 player in the draft outside the top 3 picks. He needs an editor.

 

[Max Power]

Plus the Knicks get Wayne Ellington and more importantly Shane Larkin, who has promise.

The Knicks also save money. Chandler and Felton make a combined $19.4 million. Dalembert is set to make $3.8 million but can be bought out for $1.8 million. Calderon, Ellington and Larkin combined make just $11.5 million.

This breaks it down a little better....

Although this trade means Melo is gone gone gone....

 

[Max Power]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

I haven't heard what the Sixers are offering, but I don't think it will be better than the #4, #14 and Afflalo.

#3, #10 and Thad Young its in the ballpark

 

[Eephus]

Hard not to love Napier. Guy's a winner.

 

[thecatch]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

That was insane.edit to add: My favorite part of the article is where he uses his math skills to figure out that you have a 60% chance of getting a top 3 player in the draft outside the top 3 picks. He needs an editor.

I like Simmons but that was unreadable.

 

[got_nugs]

Hey sports fans, overanalyze this: Wade, James, Bosh are together right now at Soho Beach House. @thebiglead @wolfeswines @btannebaum

Miami Heat's star trio asked for high security, no visitors and salads. Were seen "relaxed" and "laughing at Pizzatyme" #Wade #Bosh #Lebron #MiamiHeat

 

[Popinski]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

That was insane.

edit to add: My favorite part of the article is where he uses his math skills to figure out that you have a 60% chance of getting a top 3 player in the draft outside the top 3 picks. He needs an editor.

I could only get through a couple of sentences, but that looked brutal. I scrolled down and couldn't believe he used some methodology and re-did the last 20 NBA drafts.

 

[Todem]

Hey sports fans, overanalyze this: Wade, James, Bosh are together right now at Soho Beach House. @thebiglead @wolfeswines @btannebaum

Miami Heat's star trio asked for high security, no visitors and salads. Were seen "relaxed" and "laughing at Pizzatyme" #Wade #Bosh #Lebron #MiamiHeat

Matter of time Nugs. Just a matter of time brother.

 

[Max Power]

Hey sports fans, overanalyze this: Wade, James, Bosh are together right now at Soho Beach House. @thebiglead @wolfeswines @btannebaum

Miami Heat's star trio asked for high security, no visitors and salads. Were seen "relaxed" and "laughing at Pizzatyme" #Wade #Bosh #Lebron #MiamiHeat

Matter of time Nugs. Just a matter of time brother.

I'm so confused

 

[Celph Titled]

Hard not to love Napier. Guy's a winner.

Freshman year: National title

Sophomore year: Flame out to the Iowa St. Fightin' Royces

Junior year: NCAA APR nonsense

Senior year: National title, avenges loss to Iowa St., calls out NCAA on national TV.

Shabazz Napier: He Will Get You, Eventually.

 

[Instinctive]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

You don't let Carter and Marion stop you from a top tier FA! Renounce them if need be. If Dirk only wants $12, Mavs are fine cap-wise. I think Lowry would be a good target.

 

[Moe.]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

That was insane.edit to add: My favorite part of the article is where he uses his math skills to figure out that you have a 60% chance of getting a top 3 player in the draft outside the top 3 picks. He needs an editor.

I like Simmons but that was unreadable.

Huge fan of his pods but he should probably just stop writing articles.

 

[pollardsvision]

Dallas gave picks too? I don't see the point of this at all.

 

[sporthenry]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

I haven't heard what the Sixers are offering, but I don't think it will be better than the #4, #14 and Afflalo.

#3, #10 and Thad Young its in the ballpark

As of right now, it is just 3 and Thad Young. I imagine 3 & 10 is greater than 4, 14, and Afflalo. Heck, I'd take Utah's 5 and Favors over Orlandos but I guess they see the talent falling off after 4.

 

[simmonjm]

I love everything about this trade for the Knicks except for Calderon. He will likely have a great year statistically and have full reign on offense as Knicks will be in full tank mode. Cant wait for to see this defensive line up.

PG Calderon

SG Hardaway Jr

SF JR Smith

PF Amare

C Bargnani

 

[Britney Spears]

I think Dalembert is going to end up on the Heat.

 

[Britney Spears]

Dallas gave picks too? I don't see the point of this at all.

Knicks tanking, Dallas making a move to bring in Melo...?

 

[simmonjm]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

This isn't the same Tyson Chandler that you remember. He had 1 good year and fell off. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him good.

 

[Eephus]

I think Bill Simmons just burned up 80k words to illustrate the point that the NBA draft is a very inexact science.

That was insane.edit to add: My favorite part of the article is where he uses his math skills to figure out that you have a 60% chance of getting a top 3 player in the draft outside the top 3 picks. He needs an editor.

I like Simmons but that was unreadable.

Huge fan of his pods but he should probably just stop writing articles.

I was hoping he'd go back to the Knicks picking Joe Quigg two spots ahead of Hal Greer in 1958

 

[Max Power]

Dallas gave picks too? I don't see the point of this at all.

Knicks tanking, Dallas making a move to bring in Melo...?

This is probably the plan. While this team might do some damage in the west, I don't think its a championship contender.

 

[Abraham]

Chandler, Melo, and dirk is far from the worst thing in the world for the next two years.

 

[Instinctive]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

This isn't the same Tyson Chandler that you remember. He had 1 good year and fell off. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him good.

Maybe it is naivete, but I believe he fell off because he left. We have one of the one or two best training staffs and (IMO) one of the 3-5 best coaches in the league.

@Juxtatarot - I would love to add in Lowry. I really like the continuity Dallas used to get to eh last title though, slowly changing players only when they didn't work out. If Marion can't get a ton more I bet we get him back. Vince...who knows. I hope he'll stay. He's been great as the 6th man.

Lowry

Ellis

Marion

Dirk

Tyson

That's a great team in the East. Unfortunately...a 4 or 5 seed in the West? SA/OKC/LAC all staying above that. Melo on Rockets keeps them above also. GS likely to improve. I mean, anything can happen but...I'm not sure it really changes anything.

Then again, we won it all from the 4 seed. Could do it again if we catch the right breaks.

ETA: Maybe I'm insane, but I much prefer that team to one with Melo but without Lowry. I think.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Chandler, Melo, and dirk is far from the worst thing in the world for the next two years.

Maybe a 5th seed in the West.

 

[Abraham]

Chandler, Melo, and dirk is far from the worst thing in the world for the next two years.

Maybe a 5th seed in the West.

They took the champs to 7.

 

[Max Power]

Chandler, Melo, and dirk is far from the worst thing in the world for the next two years.

Maybe a 5th seed in the West.

They took the champs to 7.

I would have said 6th seed. Carter and Marion get worse or retire.

GS, Houston, and Portland should all improve. Spurs, Thunder and LAC should be a top 5 lock.

 

[modogg]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

is it me, or is Cleveland just a disaster of a franchise. You have months to prep, and you wait until the day before the draft to bring in a guy in the top tier of the draft? What else have they been doing for the last month? I guess i should just be happy i'm not a Cavs fan, sounds like the Sixers organization under Billy King, etc.

 

[5Rings]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

Don't forget Utah. The PR aspect of having the only black Mormon in the NBA is enormous.

 

[Abraham]

Agreed. How the board wasn't locked in a week ago is shocking.

 

[Kev4029]

There is a reason why they've been so awful since Lebron left. Meddling owners ruin their teams.

 

[Max Power]

Just heard on the radio that Cleveland just sent a plane to pickup Donte Exum for a last minute workout. Speculation is that they like one of the 76ers or Orlando offers.

is it me, or is Cleveland just a disaster of a franchise. You have months to prep, and you wait until the day before the draft to bring in a guy in the top tier of the draft? What else have they been doing for the last month? I guess i should just be happy i'm not a Cavs fan, sounds like the Sixers organization under Billy King, etc.

Its pretty bad. Bad enough that Parker tanked his workout and advocated Wiggins as the better player. Embiid thing was unfortunate, but that was still announced a week ago. The only saving grace is that someone has increased their offer behind closed doors (which wouldn't shock me) and now the Cavs are in scramble mode to assess it.

 

[modogg]

Agreed. How the board wasn't locked in a week ago is shocking.

and i get the idea if you feel you are locked in with your picks, but if you are hearing trade options why not explore the other guys? just silly, and scary how unprepared they can be with this gift of getting the 1st pick again.

 

[Max Power]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

 

[Abraham]

Agreed. How the board wasn't locked in a week ago is shocking.

and i get the idea if you feel you are locked in with your picks, but if you are hearing trade options why not explore the other guys? just silly, and scary how unprepared they can be with this gift of getting the 1st pick again.

I don't have issue with them evaluating lots of guys. Doing it the night before the draft? Oof.

 

[modogg]

Agreed. How the board wasn't locked in a week ago is shocking.

and i get the idea if you feel you are locked in with your picks, but if you are hearing trade options why not explore the other guys? just silly, and scary how unprepared they can be with this gift of getting the 1st pick again.

I don't have issue with them evaluating lots of guys. Doing it the night before the draft? Oof.

Yeah, i think they should evaluate as many as they need to. I know the Sixers have a lot of picks, but they talked about going into detail with around 40 guys to prepare if trades were being made and they moved from slot to slot.

Maybe i am just happy to finally have someone in the Sixers organization that sounds like they actually have a plan for these things and are actually working.

 

[Abraham]

We are talking Bout the cavs.

 

[modogg]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

Man, i'd hate to see them give up that much. I would hate to see them give up the 3 and 10 to move up. If they do i hope they can swing some deals to get back into the 1st round. I don't think Wiggins is that much of a lock to give up that much. I don't know if they will get a deal like they did last year when they made out like bandits trading with New Orleans, but hopefully they can swing some moves to put them in a good position.

Luckily they are in a great position right now with plenty of options (no bad contracts, tons of picks, money to spend) and a guy running the show that seems like he knows what he is doing

 

[Bobcat10]

Maybe it's a smokescreen? In the NFL, it could be spun that way.

Maybe it's a ploy to get someone else in the game that is thinking the Cavs are asking for too much?

Maybe it's ineptitude, and possibly likely, but really we don't even know if it's true. Johnny Manziel was dining downtown twice with the Browns before he was actually in town.

 

[Eephus]

Agreed. How the board wasn't locked in a week ago is shocking.

and i get the idea if you feel you are locked in with your picks, but if you are hearing trade options why not explore the other guys? just silly, and scary how unprepared they can be with this gift of getting the 1st pick again.

I don't have issue with them evaluating lots of guys. Doing it the night before the draft? Oof.

GM David Griffin is just going to pick up a magazine and six-pack on his way to the draft.

I think some of apparent confusion is due to a new GM and Coach coming on board this month (although Griffin had been acting in an interim role). David Blatt is brand new to the team and the league but presumably gets some input into the decision.

The Bucks on the other hand have new owners but kept the bulk of their basketball operations intact to have some continuity through this key period.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

You don't let Carter and Marion stop you from a top tier FA! Renounce them if need be. If Dirk only wants $12, Mavs are fine cap-wise. I think Lowry would be a good target.

One ESPN guy tweeting that the Mavs won't be making an offer on Lowry, thankfully...

 

[Max Power]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

Man, i'd hate to see them give up that much. I would hate to see them give up the 3 and 10 to move up. If they do i hope they can swing some deals to get back into the 1st round. I don't think Wiggins is that much of a lock to give up that much. I don't know if they will get a deal like they did last year when they made out like bandits trading with New Orleans, but hopefully they can swing some moves to put them in a good position.

Luckily they are in a great position right now with plenty of options (no bad contracts, tons of picks, money to spend) and a guy running the show that seems like he knows what he is doing

I like what the 76ers are doing. I think the willingness to move #3 and #10 for the top pick speaks volumes on Embiid. Not that the 76ers need another big man with injury concerns. Wiggins > Exum/Embiid and Staukus/McDermott/Harris combo.

That team tanked the whole year. Do you really want to go home with two second tier players?

 

[Max Power]

Hoping this trade is real, as a MAVS fan.

Will be sad to see Calderon go, but Tyson is absolutely worth it. It's not like Calderon ever ran the offense, though his spot up shooting was amazing. I think I'll miss the announcer's "Jooooo-se, jose jose jose" chant every time he hit a three HAHA.

I hate Felton. Price of doing business I guess. Don't mind Larkin going either.

I didn't really want any part of Melo before, and not sure I do now, but I assume this makes it impossible.

27 committed

Dirk's renegotiation (+12 is my guess)

17 out with players in trade

19 comes back between Tyson/Felton

Puts us at 41 committed.

Cap hold on Marion + Vince are around 15 mil?

That's 56 with a 63 million cap (7 million left for FA)

Now, if Vince and Marion resigned @ discounts (say Vince takes 3 mil/year, which is close to what he made last year anyway, and Marion drops to 5/year, which seems not too likely) that creates another 7...still not enough for a big time FA. Oh well.

You don't let Carter and Marion stop you from a top tier FA! Renounce them if need be. If Dirk only wants $12, Mavs are fine cap-wise. I think Lowry would be a good target.

One ESPN guy tweeting that the Mavs won't be making an offer on Lowry, thankfully...

I think the only serious contender for Lowry is the Lakers. Raptors are still going to have to shell out 12mil per to keep him.

 

[Max Power]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

Man, i'd hate to see them give up that much. I would hate to see them give up the 3 and 10 to move up. If they do i hope they can swing some deals to get back into the 1st round. I don't think Wiggins is that much of a lock to give up that much. I don't know if they will get a deal like they did last year when they made out like bandits trading with New Orleans, but hopefully they can swing some moves to put them in a good position.

Luckily they are in a great position right now with plenty of options (no bad contracts, tons of picks, money to spend) and a guy running the show that seems like he knows what he is doing

I don't see Philly moving up to the end of round1. Having #32 > the late 20s. An early second round pick is worth more than a late first salary cap wise.

 

[Eephus]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

Man, i'd hate to see them give up that much. I would hate to see them give up the 3 and 10 to move up. If they do i hope they can swing some deals to get back into the 1st round. I don't think Wiggins is that much of a lock to give up that much. I don't know if they will get a deal like they did last year when they made out like bandits trading with New Orleans, but hopefully they can swing some moves to put them in a good position.

Luckily they are in a great position right now with plenty of options (no bad contracts, tons of picks, money to spend) and a guy running the show that seems like he knows what he is doing

I don't see Philly moving up to the end of round1. Having #32 > the late 20s. An early second round pick is worth more than a late first salary cap wise.

True unless there's one guy on their board who is slipping. The five second round picks probably have more value in abstract terms than in actually drafting five guys in the second. I'll be very surprised if they end up picking that many live bodies tomorrow.

 

[sporthenry]

I think that puts the 76ers in the drivers seat. #3 and #10, plus 2 seconds is a pretty good price for the #1... (speculation for all of this)

Man, i'd hate to see them give up that much. I would hate to see them give up the 3 and 10 to move up. If they do i hope they can swing some deals to get back into the 1st round. I don't think Wiggins is that much of a lock to give up that much. I don't know if they will get a deal like they did last year when they made out like bandits trading with New Orleans, but hopefully they can swing some moves to put them in a good position.

Luckily they are in a great position right now with plenty of options (no bad contracts, tons of picks, money to spend) and a guy running the show that seems like he knows what he is doing

I agree that it is a bit to give up, especially depending on where those 2nd rounders fall but the luster on this draft has certainly wore off. So if they don't love Embiid or Exum, why not go get Wiggins. The #10 pick isn't likely to be the difference between a title or not. They are going to get another top 5 pick next year and apparently next year's class has a few PF/C's and none of those SF's are as good as Wiggins.

The chance to get Randle or Gordon at 10 is intriguing but I doubt either of those guys is around. It'll be a risk but Wiggins fits their long term plans a lot more than the chance to possibly get Randle or Gordon. Use your other seconds and Thad to get back into the first and draft your SG/SF then. I'd take Young, Harris, Hairston, or Hood if one of them falls.

Then you have a line up of MCW, Hairston, Wiggins, TBD, and Noel. Get a top 5 PF next year and you are looking at 4 great young guys along with your bench guy who can shoot the 3.

 

[Bucky86]

What's the latest Laker's rumor? Anything exciting? Still 10 years out from being relevant again?