*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (9 Viewers)

[Abraham]

The Magic are getting ready to eat someone's big ugly contract.

Magic Kingdom, Epcot, and LINSANITY!@!@

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner 3 minutes ago
Per several sources, #Pacers will roll out the star treatment for Lance, & has even produced a movie in his honor to be shown after midnight

It's not surprising. For all his faults, they aren't likely to find a better talent to go there in FA this summer.

 

[Premier]

The Magic are getting ready to eat someone's big ugly contract.

I saw another tweet that said after Jameer, Maxiell and Price are jettisoned they'll have $27MM

Not that the Magic are a bad landing spot, but what do they have to offer any FA other than cash? Do they have a plan?

Vucevic, VO, Capella.

Now we're talking. SUPER.UPPER.ELITE.MEGA.TIER posters always bring in the big name FA's....ALWAYS!

What is the present return rate for eating an Amare-level contract?

 

[Max Power]

I'd think Hardaway or Shump and a pick or two.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

MAVS TEAM PLANE UPDATE:

John Canzano @johncanzanobft about 22 minutes ago
Mavs team plane was chartered by Blazers season-ticket holder who wanted to take 40 people to Paris for wedding, apparently.


Not sure why this cracks me up, but it does.

 

[simmonjm]

I'd think Hardaway or Shump and a pick or two.

Not a chance. Amare expires this year, and they still have Bargnani on the books for this year as well. The plan is for capspace in 2015 not this year

 

[Max Power]

I'd think Hardaway or Shump and a pick or two.

Not a chance. Amare expires this year, and they still have Bargnani on the books for this year as well. The plan is for capspace in 2015 not this year

It would go a long way toward keeping Melo happy.

 

[tommy300]

As a life-long Bucks fan I really don't care for Jason Kidd, and the way everything was handled this weekend was a joke.

 

[Max Power]

Rumor: Jazz will take Boozers contract if the Bulls ship a first along with it. Sounds promising. I'd rather amnesty him, but ownership doesn't typically work like that.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Lebron told teams that want to meet with him that he wants the Maximum. He did not say that to the heat.

According to this article, sounds like he's saying it to everyone, Heat included.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11156634/lebron-james-miami-heat-wants-maximum-salary

 

[Slapdash]

So...who does everyone think Charlotte is likely to overpay at the 2 or 3?

I don't feel like any of the main options will work out, really. Too many other teams ready to throw the max at Heyward. Deng's got his suitors and really isn't a great fit (overbidding on him would be a total panic move). No shot on Parsons. Probably no shot on Ariza. I have no clue how high they'll go on Lance. My gut says it isn't high enough.

I swear I think the big FA signing might be.....Nick Young. And even then, the Lakers are probably still far more likely to re-sign him.

I don't think Charlotte should waste money on overpaying any of the free agents they can get this year. I don't think it's worth it now.

Lance or Parsons would be worth it, IMO.

 

[pollardsvision]

So...who does everyone think Charlotte is likely to overpay at the 2 or 3?

I don't feel like any of the main options will work out, really. Too many other teams ready to throw the max at Heyward. Deng's got his suitors and really isn't a great fit (overbidding on him would be a total panic move). No shot on Parsons. Probably no shot on Ariza. I have no clue how high they'll go on Lance. My gut says it isn't high enough.

I swear I think the big FA signing might be.....Nick Young. And even then, the Lakers are probably still far more likely to re-sign him.

I don't think Charlotte should waste money on overpaying any of the free agents they can get this year. I don't think it's worth it now.

Lance or Parsons would be worth it, IMO.

I agree.

Lance does make me nervous, but I think it's a gamble worth taking. The player he is, is the exact player they need.

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like IND is going to let him go (odd for a player that, according to many, is hated by the whole locker room). Players that will pop a punk teammate in the mouf if he needs it should always be welcome in CHA.

It's really possible all these guys just aren't gettable.

I'm perfectly fine if the rest of the off-season involves re-signing McRoberts, getting Nick Young on a cheap contract, and picking up a solid back-up PG.

The following rotation could be really solid, and it doesn't involve throwing out a massive contract that could come back to bite us:

PG: Kemba/Hinrich or Sessions

SG: Young/Hendo/Hairston

SF: MKG/Young/Taylor (if he's healthy and improves, that'd be huge)

PF: McRoberts/Vonleh/Zeller

C: Al/Vonleh/Biz

 

[Eephus]

As a life-long Bucks fan I really don't care for Jason Kidd, and the way everything was handled this weekend was a joke.

Pretty much everything since 2001 has been a joke.

 

[pollardsvision]

PJ Tucker could be a great get for CHA too.

 

[pollardsvision]

Fantasy Alarm ‏@FantasyAlarm 12m

News Alarm: Kyle Lowry (PG - Tor)Kyle Lowry is close to finalizing a deal with Toronto.�

That'd be nice to see. Hopefully, he tweaks an ankle in G1 of the ECF in CHA, but it'd be good to see him stay there.

 

[Abraham]

That would be a good get for the raptors.

 

[got_nugs]

Lebron told teams that want to meet with him that he wants the Maximum. He did not say that to the heat.

If James takes the max in Miami...what exactly does the 3 of them opting out accomplish team-wise to get better? Doesn't make a ton of sense, esp with the Windhorst article a few weeks ago about James off the court ability to make huge $$s that will allow him to take much less for a contender this FA go 'round. Pretty much I think Windhorst takes huge liberties to get on ESPNs bottom line...otherwise I will believe Heat related news when it happens.

 

[Insein]

Lebron took less to win titles. He has a sizable amount of funds from outside sources. His #1 concern is winning more titles. I dont see him taking max money from Miami.

 

[Abraham]

Wade - 4-50 (12, 12, 13, 13)

Bosh - 3-32) 10, 10, 12)

James - 3-68 (22, 23, 24)

They have 57 in cap space right? So those three take 44 of it meaning they have some room for others.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Wade - 4-50 (12, 12, 13, 13)

Bosh - 3-32) 10, 10, 12)

James - 3-68 (22, 23, 24)

They have 57 in cap space right? So those three take 44 of it meaning they have some room for others.

No way Bosh agrees to that.

 

[NutterButter]

Wade - 4-50 (12, 12, 13, 13)

Bosh - 3-32) 10, 10, 12)

James - 3-68 (22, 23, 24)

They have 57 in cap space right? So those three take 44 of it meaning they have some room for others.

That seems like a really low # for Bosh. That would be something if he voluntarily cut his salary in half.

 

[pollardsvision]

Wade - 4-50 (12, 12, 13, 13)

Bosh - 3-32) 10, 10, 12)

James - 3-68 (22, 23, 24)

They have 57 in cap space right? So those three take 44 of it meaning they have some room for others.

I bet Bosh and Wade both get 4/50, and LeBron gets 2/40 with an opt out. Works out pretty much the same for this year though, I guess.

 

[Premier]

4/50 for Bosh is a ridiculous contract for his production and what he's truly worth. I just can't see him doing that.

 

[Slapdash]

So...who does everyone think Charlotte is likely to overpay at the 2 or 3?

I don't feel like any of the main options will work out, really. Too many other teams ready to throw the max at Heyward. Deng's got his suitors and really isn't a great fit (overbidding on him would be a total panic move). No shot on Parsons. Probably no shot on Ariza. I have no clue how high they'll go on Lance. My gut says it isn't high enough.

I swear I think the big FA signing might be.....Nick Young. And even then, the Lakers are probably still far more likely to re-sign him.

I don't think Charlotte should waste money on overpaying any of the free agents they can get this year. I don't think it's worth it now.

Lance or Parsons would be worth it, IMO.

I agree.

Lance does make me nervous, but I think it's a gamble worth taking. The player he is, is the exact player they need.

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like IND is going to let him go (odd for a player that, according to many, is hated by the whole locker room). Players that will pop a punk teammate in the mouf if he needs it should always be welcome in CHA.

It's really possible all these guys just aren't gettable.

I'm perfectly fine if the rest of the off-season involves re-signing McRoberts, getting Nick Young on a cheap contract, and picking up a solid back-up PG.

The following rotation could be really solid, and it doesn't involve throwing out a massive contract that could come back to bite us:

PG: Kemba/Hinrich or Sessions

SG: Young/Hendo/Hairston

SF: MKG/Young/Taylor (if he's healthy and improves, that'd be huge)

PF: McRoberts/Vonleh/Zeller

C: Al/Vonleh/Biz

Think Young would actually want to come to Charlotte? Never really liked Hinrich. It wouldn't hurt to keep CDR around.

 

[pollardsvision]

I agree.

Lance does make me nervous, but I think it's a gamble worth taking. The player he is, is the exact player they need.

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like IND is going to let him go (odd for a player that, according to many, is hated by the whole locker room). Players that will pop a punk teammate in the mouf if he needs it should always be welcome in CHA.

It's really possible all these guys just aren't gettable.

I'm perfectly fine if the rest of the off-season involves re-signing McRoberts, getting Nick Young on a cheap contract, and picking up a solid back-up PG.

The following rotation could be really solid, and it doesn't involve throwing out a massive contract that could come back to bite us:

PG: Kemba/Hinrich or Sessions

SG: Young/Hendo/Hairston

SF: MKG/Young/Taylor (if he's healthy and improves, that'd be huge)

PF: McRoberts/Vonleh/Zeller

C: Al/Vonleh/Biz

Think Young would actually want to come to Charlotte? Never really liked Hinrich. It wouldn't hurt to keep CDR around.

I have no idea. CHA could certainly run into the same problem there as with the other FA's, in that so many teams have cap space.

PJ Tucker, though, I think is interested. He's from Raleigh, if that matters at all.

Another option, in the "whiff on all big FA's" scenario would be to just pick up a pick or Jones by taking on Lin's contract. I'm sure LeBron staying makes that less likely though.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Wade - 4-50 (12, 12, 13, 13)

Bosh - 3-32) 10, 10, 12)

James - 3-68 (22, 23, 24)

They have 57 in cap space right? So those three take 44 of it meaning they have some room for others.

Way too low for Bosh. He could easily get almost double that from Houston and have just as good of a chance at a title.

 

[Max Power]

Miami is so interesting right now....

James deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... Signing for 20mil is still a discount.

Wade opted out of a 2/41.5mil contract. No way he sees less than 4/50. aka 12.5 mil a year.

Bosh opted out of a 2/42 contract. He'd get a max deal on the open market. estimate 4 year 80 mil. aka 20 mil a year. even at a discount, lets say 16mil.

so best case scenario, you're looking at 48mil for the big three. Of a 63 mil cap.

Cole brings it up to 50M

Napier 51M

Roster holds for min vet about another 3mil. 54mil

Leaving 9mil to spend on difference makers. Not enough to change the finals outcome....

 

[Frostillicus]

Miami is so interesting right now....

James deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... Signing for 20mil is still a discount.

Wade opted out of a 2/41.5mil contract. No way he sees less than 4/50. aka 12.5 mil a year.

Bosh opted out of a 2/42 contract. He'd get a max deal on the open market. estimate 4 year 80 mil. aka 20 mil a year. even at a discount, lets say 16mil.

so best case scenario, you're looking at 48mil for the big three. Of a 63 mil cap.

Cole brings it up to 50M

Napier 51M

Roster holds for min vet about another 3mil. 54mil

Leaving 9mil to spend on difference makers. Not enough to change the finals outcome....

They can probably get both Gary Payton and Karl Malone for that $9 mil.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Miami is so interesting right now....

James deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... Signing for 20mil is still a discount.

Wade opted out of a 2/41.5mil contract. No way he sees less than 4/50. aka 12.5 mil a year.

Bosh opted out of a 2/42 contract. He'd get a max deal on the open market. estimate 4 year 80 mil. aka 20 mil a year. even at a discount, lets say 16mil.

so best case scenario, you're looking at 48mil for the big three. Of a 63 mil cap.

Cole brings it up to 50M

Napier 51M

Roster holds for min vet about another 3mil. 54mil

Leaving 9mil to spend on difference makers. Not enough to change the finals outcome....

And you forgot Haslem.

 

[got_nugs]

Miami is so interesting right now....

James deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... Signing for 20mil is still a discount.

Wade opted out of a 2/41.5mil contract. No way he sees less than 4/50. aka 12.5 mil a year.

Bosh opted out of a 2/42 contract. He'd get a max deal on the open market. estimate 4 year 80 mil. aka 20 mil a year. even at a discount, lets say 16mil.

so best case scenario, you're looking at 48mil for the big three. Of a 63 mil cap.

Cole brings it up to 50M

Napier 51M

Roster holds for min vet about another 3mil. 54mil

Leaving 9mil to spend on difference makers. Not enough to change the finals outcome....

They can probably get both Gary Payton and Karl Malone for that $9 mil.

They're still too young.

Also, Ray Allen will be back. I am certain he will retire being aside Lebron.

 

[Max Power]

Miami is so interesting right now....

James deserves to be the highest paid player in the league... Signing for 20mil is still a discount.

Wade opted out of a 2/41.5mil contract. No way he sees less than 4/50. aka 12.5 mil a year.

Bosh opted out of a 2/42 contract. He'd get a max deal on the open market. estimate 4 year 80 mil. aka 20 mil a year. even at a discount, lets say 16mil.

so best case scenario, you're looking at 48mil for the big three. Of a 63 mil cap.

Cole brings it up to 50M

Napier 51M

Roster holds for min vet about another 3mil. 54mil

Leaving 9mil to spend on difference makers. Not enough to change the finals outcome....

And you forgot Haslem.

I think they can still FA for 9mil and then resign players after. No clue how Haslem gets his 4.5 mil unless its an under-the-table deal

 

[TenTimes]

Miami Heat5/2

San Antonio Spurs8/1

Oklahoma City Thunder8/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers15/1

Chicago Bulls15/1

Houston Rockets20/1

Miami Heat16/5San Antonio Spurs 6/1

Oklahoma City Thunder 8/1

Chicago Bulls10/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers20/1

Houston Rockets22/1

Golden State Warriors25/1

 

[Celph Titled]

Warriors are apparently the favorites to land Channing Frye. Tall like Kevin Love! Shoots 3's like Kevin Love!

 

[Fariq]

Is LeBron James gonna sign with the Kings or Jazz?

 

[Celph Titled]

Irving signs a max extension with Cleveland.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Per reports, Bulls interested in Melo, Gasol, Deng, Parsons, Pierce, Augustin and Hinrich.

 

[Abraham]

Rockets odds are getting worse with the trade of Asik? Interesting

 

[Abraham]

Call me surprised based on his previous run with Mchale: morey was in Philly at midnight to meet with Lowry.

 

[pollardsvision]

Random twitter stuff

Apparently CHA not showing any interest in Deng (please be true)

Knicks talking to McRoberts

Celtics the first to call Isaiah Thomas

 

[pollardsvision]

Rockets odds are getting worse with the trade of Asik? Interesting

We get it. You snookered poor New Orleans.

 

[Balco]

Miami Heat5/2

San Antonio Spurs8/1

Oklahoma City Thunder8/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers15/1

Chicago Bulls15/1

Houston Rockets20/1

Miami Heat16/5San Antonio Spurs 6/1

Oklahoma City Thunder 8/1

Chicago Bulls10/1

Los Angeles Clippers10/1

Indiana Pacers20/1

Houston Rockets22/1

Golden State Warriors25/1

Love golden state and Indiana at those odds.

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of Morey, the godfather of nerdy advanced metric asset collecting GMery, it sounds like some pretty groundbreaking stuff going on down in HOU.

What panel at the Sloan Conference discusses the nuances of "making a run at every, single big name FA"?

If Morey hadn't shown us the way, that strategy would've never occurred to a GM.

I like how his GB Simmons even puts it as "Morey knows he's in a free-agent window this year". Because they don't do this every year, even if the best names are Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Embid won't be a useful nba player for two years. Kyrie is on his way to la by then. Wiggins gives you a chance to be competitive.

Or not

 

[Abraham]

Embid won't be a useful nba player for two years. Kyrie is on his way to la by then. Wiggins gives you a chance to be competitive.

Or not

Very nice signing

 

[pollardsvision]

If Dallas offers Parsons a huge contract soon, how long will Parsons wait around for HOU to finish giving Melo a handjob?

Is this a #RocketsForLife situation here?

 

[Abraham]

If Dallas offers Parsons a huge contract soon, how long will Parsons wait around for HOU to finish giving Melo a handjob?

Is this a #RocketsForLife situation here?

I think they have an agreement in place already.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Random twitter stuff

Apparently CHA not showing any interest in Deng (please be true)

Knicks talking to McRoberts

Celtics the first to call Isaiah Thomas

Celtics going to do a sign and trade?

 

[Abraham]

Predictions.

Melo - Knicks

Heat 3 - Miami

Lowry - Houston

Lin - Toronto ( cliff) sign n trade

Pau - lakers

Heyward - Utah matches

Boozer - still on bulls

Vince - Dallas

Pierce - clippers

Parsons - Houston

Bledsoe - Orlando

Monroe - lakers

Love - warriors by opening day.

Arica - Dallas

Mcroberts - Knicks

Deng - hornets.

 

[pollardsvision]

If Dallas offers Parsons a huge contract soon, how long will Parsons wait around for HOU to finish giving Melo a handjob?

Is this a #RocketsForLife situation here?

I think they have an agreement in place already.

So, Parsons' NBA value might be the highest right now that it'll ever be, and he's just going to wait around so that it's easier for HOU to make him the 4th option on his own team?

There are a lot of glamorous cities fit for a future Bachelor with cap room.

Not doubting it. It just sounds like some incredible confidence.

 

[Premier]

If Dallas offers Parsons a huge contract soon, how long will Parsons wait around for HOU to finish giving Melo a handjob?

Is this a #RocketsForLife situation here?

They're a family, man.