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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Bobcat10 said:
If Lebron hasn't met with the Cavs, which there are no indications of (only his agent has), and now his camp is leaking that the Letter is still an issue, don't you think if he was strongly deliberating his options Lebron would want to meet with the Cavs?
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Or Gilbert would take a proactive approach. Maybe send kyrie to meet him. Maybe try to get the new rookie euro coach to talk to him? They all knew where he was this week.
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Maybe make a public apology for the letter? Something he should have done before now.

I'd like to see LBJ go to the Cavs since I live up here and root for them. But at the same time, I would find some amusement in Gilbert getting burned by that letter.

OTOH, if Todem ends up being right this thread will be unbearable for at least 3 months.

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Bobcat10 said:
If Lebron hasn't met with the Cavs, which there are no indications of (only his agent has), and now his camp is leaking that the Letter is still an issue, don't you think if he was strongly deliberating his options Lebron would want to meet with the Cavs?
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Or Gilbert would take a proactive approach. Maybe send kyrie to meet him. Maybe try to get the new rookie euro coach to talk to him? They all knew where he was this week.
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Maybe make a public apology for the letter? Something he should have done before now.
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Agreed. I think had he done that already, LeBron to Cleveland would already be a done deal, and the longer this drags out, the more I think he is likely to go back to Miami.

 
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MAC_32 said:
pollardsvision said:
Oh come on. Screw Cleveland, no offense.
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You keep saying this and it doesn't make any sense.
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What doesn't make any sense is all this "oh, I'm going to feel so bad for those poor fans in Cleveland if LeBron does this to them again"

Disregarding whether or not there's any validity to that last part, I don't see why anybody would lose sleep for Cleveland fans. There are a lot of fans of ####ty franchises that haven't won very much.

Franchises that never got first pick overall the year the greatest NBA prospect ever came out. Franchises that never got a first overall pick ever, much less 4 in 10 years. Franchises that didn't happen to be near the hometown of said greatest prospect ever, giving them any reason to ever hope such a player would not only stay, but ####### come back after he left.

 
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Haven't been following this too closely but is there any combination that allows:

Lebron
Bosh
Anthony

To go to the same team?

 
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pollardsvision said:
Right, but for "bigger pieces", we're essentially talking about 3 players, and one of those really doesn't need to know where LeBron's going to decide (Melo).

It's also a limited number of teams involved. For LeBron/Bosh, we're talking about 3 teams that can't move until LeBron decides. For all of those 3 teams, if they don't land the big ticket they hope for, there isn't some other big move they are making.

For the ancillary moves, the Jack move is done. Philly being in limbo with Lin isn't holding them up.

The 27 teams that know they won't be getting LeBron or Bosh can pretty much go about their business for the mid-tier FA's.

Dallas was a big name in all of this, and the knew enough to remove themselves completely for 3 days.
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I disagree. What happens has pretty big reverberations throughout the rest of the league. Where Parsons ends up probably has a big impact of FA's to either Houston or Dallas. What happens could conceivably effect Pau in a big way. And even someone like Deng or Stephenson who might not be directly effected by it have no reason to sign now b/c only good things can happen from their perspective.

 
sporthenry said:
pollardsvision said:
Right, but for "bigger pieces", we're essentially talking about 3 players, and one of those really doesn't need to know where LeBron's going to decide (Melo).

It's also a limited number of teams involved. For LeBron/Bosh, we're talking about 3 teams that can't move until LeBron decides. For all of those 3 teams, if they don't land the big ticket they hope for, there isn't some other big move they are making.

For the ancillary moves, the Jack move is done. Philly being in limbo with Lin isn't holding them up.

The 27 teams that know they won't be getting LeBron or Bosh can pretty much go about their business for the mid-tier FA's.

Dallas was a big name in all of this, and the knew enough to remove themselves completely for 3 days.
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I disagree. What happens has pretty big reverberations throughout the rest of the league. Where Parsons ends up probably has a big impact of FA's to either Houston or Dallas. What happens could conceivably effect Pau in a big way. And even someone like Deng or Stephenson who might not be directly effected by it have no reason to sign now b/c only good things can happen from their perspective.
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Right, but these mid-tier moves aren't really that effected by LeBron. Unless Lance/Deng/Ariza are planning to follow him to Cleveland (highly unlikely). If anything, Melo's probably holding up Ariza, and the CHA/Hayward thing is holding up Lance.

LeBron's certainly not holding Parsons up. That's getting resolved as fast as it would've no matter what (and a hell of a lot faster than HOU had hoped).

 
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Eminence said:
Haven't been following this too closely but is there any combination that allows:

Lebron

Bosh

Anthony

To go to the same team?
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No. Heat can't really do it b/c McRoberts/Stephenson would then have to fit under cap without their exceptions. I guess another team might be able to free up enough but they aren't going to go somewhere like Philadelphia.

 
Hang 10 said:
rodg12 said:
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 8m

Dwyane Wade left cross-country flight with LeBron James to Miami still unsure of which way James is leaning, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

:oldunsure:
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I get the feeling Lebron and Wade are laughing maniacally about this tweet right now from their mansions.
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You could be right. If I'm Dwayne Wade I'm not too happy about the possibility that I opted out of that contract given my knees and this uncertainty. I think Lebron will end up back in Miami. If for no other reason because Wade made that sacrifice. If Wade is your friend, you surely aren't going to let him make that move and leave him hanging.

 
Why isn't Drew Carey running the Cavs right now? Most successful team owner in Cleveland history. He'd get a decision out of Lebron with minutes to go on the clock rather than seconds.

 
MAC_32 said:
pollardsvision said:
MAC_32 said:
pollardsvision said:
Oh come on. Screw Cleveland, no offense.
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You keep saying this and it doesn't make any sense.
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What doesn't make any sense is all this "oh, I'm going to feel so bad for those poor fans in Cleveland if LeBron does this to them again"
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Who's saying that?
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You serious Clark?

Most every mention of this ordeal refers to what LeBron is putting those Cleveland fans through, or how devastating this will be if he does this to them.

A certain level of caring that doesn't seem to happen when crappy franchises in small markets don't land or retain Top 5 ever NBA talents. That's generally the sort of thing nobody gives a #### about. Except, for those poor fans in Cleveland.

 
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Daywalker said:
Lebron's camp could have squashed Cleveland rumors at any point. If he doesn't go to Cleveland he is pathetic.
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:lol:

You ever think that maybe he is actually weighing all his options?

Do you just hastily make multi-million dollar decisions that affect your life for the next 5 years?
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:goodposting:

Amazing to think that he can't actually think about what is best for him. If he makes a bad call, he could end up losing millions of dollars (i.e. Wiggins ends up a bust or Wade blows out a knee, etc.). It amazes me and disturbs me that people are already pissed about a decision that hasn't even been made. A week or so ago everyone thought he was staying in Miami, now he will be roundly criticized if he doesn't go to Cleveland. Seems like the fans in Cleveland and the folks that hate him already have been reading all the articles and tweets and made up their minds without a single word from the guy actually making the decision. Again, some of the reactions disturb me.
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I think he knows. I haven't made million dollar decisions, but, amounts are relative. I've moved 6 times for my job and the decision, although tough each time, we made in a matter of days. We had to.

Grant Hill on Mike and Mike this morning stopped just short of saying he's holding the league and other free agents hostage. He's not helping anyone by dragging this out so long:

1- The fans and city of Cleveland - no explanation necessary.

2- Miami - all the cap hold for the big three isn't available to sign any of the free agents starting today.

3- Houston - only have a couple more days before they will be forced to match Chandler offer taking Bosh out of the equation.

4- Bosh - see #3.

5- All the other teams and free agents have to wait for the top domino to fall before making deals.

6- Melo, waiting.

7- Lebron, yes even though he's getting all the attention he, it might turn out looking as bad as The Decision, especially if it drags on past Sunday.
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It's not LeBron's fault that everyone else is waiting to see what he's going to do. If they want to move on, they're free to. If they want the luxury of knowing, they have to wait.

This is like blaming the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft for not signing right away. It's not his fault that the #27 pick on your favorite team wants to wait until that happens before he'll sign.
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Problem is for the most part it isn't the free agents that are waiting (like melo and bosh), it's the teams.
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The teams that set up the framework that pays him maybe a third of his true value because of capped max salaries while they make hundreds of millions off him? I'm sure that's really tearing him up inside.

I do feel for the good people of Cleveland, though. I can't believe LeBron is being so cruel to the kind, gentle souls who chanted "who's your daddy?" at him and burned his jersey and put him on t-shirts calling him the "Lyin King." He sure is ungrateful.
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It's not like Lebron and Cleveland fans are playing on a level field, when it comes to emotional impact. Lebron gets paid nearly nine figures a year specifically to have the privilege of holding a position that effects people emotionally. Emotional involvement of the public is why sports is profitable. It's why he has a job. It's why men playing sports fill stadiums, control airwaves, and move trillions of dollars worth of product. And it's why an athlete the stature of a Lebron James is given the podium and bandwidth to control the emotions of millions, while the millions mostly just have to grumble or cheer in relative silence and anonymity.

To hold it against a fanbase when they get upset that a pro athlete breaks their hearts is to pretend the entire point of pro sports doesn't exist. Dan Gilbert? He should be held to a higher standard, as an owner.

But a man sitting at the pinnacle of his profession, when that profession is exactly to be a public spectacle for the masses, has the ability to toy with millions in ways they are utterly incapable of responding to. I do feel badly for them. :shrug:

It ain't finding out a loved one is dying or anything, but it seems unnecessarily petty if he chooses to play these games then yank the carpet out from under the same group for the second time in five years.
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I seriously, seriously doubt he knew this whole time he was going back to Miami. It contradicts literally every report I've seen and it contradicts common sense too. If that turns out to be the case I'll condemn him too.

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I was exaggerating the culpability of Cleveland fans to counter exaggerations of his issues with LeBron. Although I do think the "who's your daddy?" chant is over the line of normal sports fandom. The rest of it is defensible.
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:doh:

 
pollardsvision said:
sporthenry said:
pollardsvision said:
Right, but for "bigger pieces", we're essentially talking about 3 players, and one of those really doesn't need to know where LeBron's going to decide (Melo).

It's also a limited number of teams involved. For LeBron/Bosh, we're talking about 3 teams that can't move until LeBron decides. For all of those 3 teams, if they don't land the big ticket they hope for, there isn't some other big move they are making.

For the ancillary moves, the Jack move is done. Philly being in limbo with Lin isn't holding them up.

The 27 teams that know they won't be getting LeBron or Bosh can pretty much go about their business for the mid-tier FA's.

Dallas was a big name in all of this, and the knew enough to remove themselves completely for 3 days.
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I disagree. What happens has pretty big reverberations throughout the rest of the league. Where Parsons ends up probably has a big impact of FA's to either Houston or Dallas. What happens could conceivably effect Pau in a big way. And even someone like Deng or Stephenson who might not be directly effected by it have no reason to sign now b/c only good things can happen from their perspective.
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Right, but these mid-tier moves aren't really that effected by LeBron. Unless Lance/Deng/Ariza are planning to follow him to Cleveland (highly unlikely). If anything, Melo's probably holding up Ariza, and the CHA/Hayward thing is holding up Lance.

LeBron's certainly not holding Parsons up. That's getting resolved as fast as it would've no matter what (and a hell of a lot faster than HOU had hoped).
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Funny that Parsons will likely be the first shoe to drop in all this. But the point is, what Bosh does effects how Parsons is handled. And whether Houston or Dallas gets him will also effect the rest of FA. I'm sure it isn't affecting everyone but I'd assume most of them will wait just to see what happens b/c I don't really see any way where more money isn't available especially considering Parsons going back to Houston alone creates another what, $15 million in cap space alone?

 
Have to say this makes me a Lebron fan. I loved him early on but the whole Miami debacle really soured me. Since then he's become formally one of the best players ever, although I do believe his ascent was slowed in the pantheon of all timers by this past year.

If he can bring Cleveland a championship, sky's once again the limit. Gonna root for the Cavs I admit.

 
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