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[Notorious T.R.E.]

About these Amnesty guys signing deals after clearing waivers. So Baron signed a vet min deal from Knicks for 1.4M, but since no one claimed him the Cavs are on the hook for his enitre previous salary, so is the 1.4M he just signed ADDED to what the cavs pay him? If so thats hilarious, he can make more money for sucking

Yep, that's why he and Billups (even though he was bid on) were pushing so hard to have nobody bid on them.

For this system to work, these lesser teams need to bid on these types of players. I don't like how easily some of these guys are able to just go wherever they want so far.

Who?...so far its the Clippers submitting the highest bid for Billups before they pulled off the Paul trade, Outlaw who the Kings claimed, and injured Davis passing through waivers (who got traded for a bag of beans last year) plus a couple of other guys like Arenas still sitting on the crapheap. I actually think some of these other teams are waiting on the Chinese 4 (Brooks, Chandler, Smith, and Kenyon) to return and give them decent contracts.

Maybe that's it, but to not have anyone bid the min on Davis seems very odd to me.

Rumors were he was hurt for up to two months

I know.

 

[Major]

Kevin Martin is a pretty good SG.

Nah. Mediocre at best.

Let's analyze this some more

better than Aaron Brooks?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Kevin Martin is a pretty good SG.

Nah. Mediocre at best.

Let's analyze this some more

better than Aaron Brooks?

Slightly.

 

[Kev4029]

Kev> Do the Nugs have the money for Chandler after Nene and Afflalo signings? Or are you assuming 1 year deal?

They are very close to the cap after Nene and Afflalo, but the only moves they made this offseason were either minimum salary (Carroll), Rookie signings (Faried and Hamilton), their own free agents (Afflalo and Nene) and the Brewer/Fernandez trade using part of the trade exception from the Melo deal last season. Because of that, they were able to keep Bird Rights on Martin and Smith and extended the qualifying offer to Chandler so they could still offer all three of them max contracts if the so chose. I'm not sure how much the Nuggets are willing to spend this season, but I would imagine as long as they stay under the luxury tax line the ownership (Stan Kronke and Baby Kronke) won't make a fuss. I would assume that would allow them to give Chandler a fair market deal (4/25-30ish) and hopefully give Martin something like 2/10.ETA: Using 7.5% raises each year Afflalo's salary this year should be right about $7.4m and Nene's should be right around $11.5m, so the Nuggets have about $56m in committed salary (assuming they keep Carroll's $750k salary) . That would leave them about $14m, I think, to spend on Chandler/Martin/Smith when they can come back. With the 4/30 and 2/10 contracts I proposed they would only hit about $68m.

I would expect Chandler to want AT LEAST an Afflalo type deal.

He'll be taking the qualifying offer this year and waiting until the offseason then. Afflalo is a much better player at this point, IMO and has a much better head on his shoulders (I'm don't mean this like Beasley where hes loafing around, but more like Delante West where I think he actually might be a little crazy). I think Chandler is a better fit as a 6th man that can play SG, SF, and PF because he is so athletic that he can run with a second unit (making the assumption that most second units run more) and is excellent at creating shots with only average efficiency.

Chandler could be a little crazy. I know you love Afflalo, but I think Chandler has more a chance to be a #2 option on a team than Afflalo ever will. Looking at that lineup I think they need him badly. Chandler will also have his recent trip to China and his 33ppg dancing in his head too.

I disagree with this statement because neither will ever have the chance to be a number two option, but I think you're general sentiment is that Chandler has a higher ceiling, and I would agree with that, but he also has a lower floor. I don't think that Afflalo was worth the contract he got, and I think in a perfect world that Chandler and Afflalo's worth would be very similar and that should be something in the 4yr/$30m range. The Nuggets overpaid for Afflalo because he is a better fit for this team now and moving forward because hes the better defender (maybe not better, but more consistent, Chandler looked really good sometimes) and the better shooter and Karl absolutely loves him. And I don't think they NEED Chandler, but they should certainly make a strong effort to resign him. With Nene/Lawson/Gallo/Afflalo/Miller and JR/Chandler/Martin they have a whole lot of 3rd/4th bananas but they need a 1st/2nd banana. I really think they need to flip couple of these guys (definitely not Lawson, I think hes the only one that has a chance to be a borderline All-Pro type) into an established big man (Josh Smith/Bogut/Bynum/Okafor type) to play along side Nene.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What is josh smith's status? He was on howards "list" wasnt he?

 

[Kev4029]

What is josh smith's status? He was on howards "list" wasnt he?

There have been rumors swirling for a year that the Hawks were looking to dump some salary, and their only likely option would be Smith. Horford is too good to get rid of, Johnson is too expensive for his mediocre production, and Williams blows so their only real option would be to trade Smith for young players/picks. But I'm skeptical that they would look to trade him anyway because even though he's 26, he still has a lot of potential because the difference between being the very good player he is now and being a perennial all-star is him loafing a little on offense and taking unnecessary bad shots (kinda like his 2004 classmate, JR Smith who loafs on D and takes bad shots). He'd be fun to have in a Nuggets uni with the pace they play, so I included him in my last post even though I don't think they'd have much of a chance to get him.

 

[Kev4029]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)I know, I know, you think I'm insane. But before you have me committed, hear me out.If I had to bet on a long-shot team to win the title, Denver would absolutely, positively be the one. Not only are the Nuggets better than people realize, they have more potential for in-season improvement than any other team because of all their trade assets. More importantly, the regular-season format favors them more than any other team in the league.Remember Portland in 1999, a team with no stars that won big in the lockout season because they threw waves of depth at their weary opponents? This team is the second coming of that squad, minus the technical fouls and incarcerations. The Nuggets go 12 deep, and George Karl, more than perhaps any other coach in basketball, will absolutely use all 12. I'm convinced it's his dream to become the first coach in history to have 12 players average exactly 20.0 minutes and 8.8 points a game, and he may come close to that goal this season.Think about this: Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Corey Brewer, Al Harrington and Chris Andersen are Denver's second five. (The starters are projected to be Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Nene.) Behind them are two rookie first-round draft picks, Jordan Hamilton and Kenneth Faried, both of whom should contribute immediately. Somewhere in there, beginning around midseason or sooner, is Wilson Chandler too.Throw in two other factors and I really like Denver this season. First, they're good: They went gangbusters after the Melo trade last season, going 19-6 with a scoring margin greater than 10 points a game before playing the JV in the finale against Utah. They struggled in the playoffs when they had to depend more on starters-versus-starters matchups and suffered injuries in the backcourt. They'll likely struggle in the postseason again this season unless they procure another quality big.But in the regular season? Forget it. The second reason to expect Denver to excel is that the combination of altitude and pace is going to wreak havoc on opponents. With Lawson and Miller pushing the tempo, waves of fresh players checking in -- nearly all of whom can run -- and exhausted teams sucking wind in the Mile High altitude, I expect the Nuggets to have a ridiculous home record on the order of 28-5 or so. If they achieve that, they need to be only a 15-18 road team to fulfill my prediction. (My projection, by the way, includes a small dose of Wilson Chandler at season's end, but no Kenyon Martin or J.R. Smith.)That prediction is based on the roster staying as is. But remember, too, the upshot of Denver's stealth robbery of the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade. The Nuggets have as many trade assets as any other team in the league. They have a $12 million trade exception from the Anthony deal, lots of young, talented players that other teams want, and a $7.8 million expiring contract belonging to Miller.If the Nuggets can swing that into another quality big man, their playoff ceiling goes much higher. Barring that, they'll have a great regular season and another early playoff exit.But in the big picture, everybody is sleeping on this team. With overwhelming depth, two potential breakout players in Lawson and Gallinari, and tons of trade assets, the Nuggets are in fantastic shape.

 

[Wooderson]

Kevin Martin is a pretty good SG.

Nah. Mediocre at best.

Let's analyze this some more

better than Aaron Brooks?

Slightly.

When he played for the Kings they called him K-Mart.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)I know, I know, you think I'm insane. But before you have me committed, hear me out.If I had to bet on a long-shot team to win the title, Denver would absolutely, positively be the one. Not only are the Nuggets better than people realize, they have more potential for in-season improvement than any other team because of all their trade assets. More importantly, the regular-season format favors them more than any other team in the league.Remember Portland in 1999, a team with no stars that won big in the lockout season because they threw waves of depth at their weary opponents? This team is the second coming of that squad, minus the technical fouls and incarcerations. The Nuggets go 12 deep, and George Karl, more than perhaps any other coach in basketball, will absolutely use all 12. I'm convinced it's his dream to become the first coach in history to have 12 players average exactly 20.0 minutes and 8.8 points a game, and he may come close to that goal this season.Think about this: Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Corey Brewer, Al Harrington and Chris Andersen are Denver's second five. (The starters are projected to be Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Nene.) Behind them are two rookie first-round draft picks, Jordan Hamilton and Kenneth Faried, both of whom should contribute immediately. Somewhere in there, beginning around midseason or sooner, is Wilson Chandler too.Throw in two other factors and I really like Denver this season. First, they're good: They went gangbusters after the Melo trade last season, going 19-6 with a scoring margin greater than 10 points a game before playing the JV in the finale against Utah. They struggled in the playoffs when they had to depend more on starters-versus-starters matchups and suffered injuries in the backcourt. They'll likely struggle in the postseason again this season unless they procure another quality big.But in the regular season? Forget it. The second reason to expect Denver to excel is that the combination of altitude and pace is going to wreak havoc on opponents. With Lawson and Miller pushing the tempo, waves of fresh players checking in -- nearly all of whom can run -- and exhausted teams sucking wind in the Mile High altitude, I expect the Nuggets to have a ridiculous home record on the order of 28-5 or so. If they achieve that, they need to be only a 15-18 road team to fulfill my prediction. (My projection, by the way, includes a small dose of Wilson Chandler at season's end, but no Kenyon Martin or J.R. Smith.)That prediction is based on the roster staying as is. But remember, too, the upshot of Denver's stealth robbery of the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade. The Nuggets have as many trade assets as any other team in the league. They have a $12 million trade exception from the Anthony deal, lots of young, talented players that other teams want, and a $7.8 million expiring contract belonging to Miller.If the Nuggets can swing that into another quality big man, their playoff ceiling goes much higher. Barring that, they'll have a great regular season and another early playoff exit.But in the big picture, everybody is sleeping on this team. With overwhelming depth, two potential breakout players in Lawson and Gallinari, and tons of trade assets, the Nuggets are in fantastic shape.

CRACKED

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

 

[Kev4029]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

 

[biggamer3]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

Seriously?

 

[Major]

Great interview here with one of the premier SGs in the NBA.

JR: Growing up, who was your favorite player in the NBA?

KM: Michael Jordan.

JR: What has been your greatest accomplishment so far in your NBA career?

KM: Being where I am today after where I started and what people expected me to do when I got drafted.

JR:Who gave you the nickname K-Mart, when did it start up?

KM: It just started among my high school coaching staff and players.

JR: How did it feel playing for the Rockets after a long tenure with the Kings?

KM: It was bittersweet because I knew I was going to a better team but Sac (Sacramento) was my first home in my professional career and taught me a lot in the business.

JR:What goals do you look to accomplish in the next seasons to come?

KM: Just keep improving in every aspect of the game and don't get complacent.

I hope you enjoyed the interview!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

First off, how are you?

 

[saintfool]

Great interview here with one of the premier SGs in the NBA. JR: Growing up, who was your favorite player in the NBA?KM: Michael Jordan.JR: What has been your greatest accomplishment so far in your NBA career?KM: Being where I am today after where I started and what people expected me to do when I got drafted.JR:Who gave you the nickname K-Mart, when did it start up?KM: It just started among my high school coaching staff and players.JR: How did it feel playing for the Rockets after a long tenure with the Kings?KM: It was bittersweet because I knew I was going to a better team but Sac (Sacramento) was my first home in my professional career and taught me a lot in the business.JR:What goals do you look to accomplish in the next seasons to come?KM: Just keep improving in every aspect of the game and don't get complacent.I hope you enjoyed the interview!

is this yandek?

 

[Kev4029]

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

Don't get mad at the Nuggs because took all your good players and made them play better while making your team worse. Ty and Nene are both borderline all stars this year and I think Gallo makes a jump to one of the better half dozen SFs.

 

[Major]

Great interview here with one of the premier SGs in the NBA.

JR: Growing up, who was your favorite player in the NBA?

KM: Michael Jordan.

JR: What has been your greatest accomplishment so far in your NBA career?

KM: Being where I am today after where I started and what people expected me to do when I got drafted.

JR:Who gave you the nickname K-Mart, when did it start up?

KM: It just started among my high school coaching staff and players.

JR: How did it feel playing for the Rockets after a long tenure with the Kings?

KM: It was bittersweet because I knew I was going to a better team but Sac (Sacramento) was my first home in my professional career and taught me a lot in the business.

JR:What goals do you look to accomplish in the next seasons to come?

KM: Just keep improving in every aspect of the game and don't get complacent.

I hope you enjoyed the interview!

is this yandek?

I initially thought the same thing. Here's a link if you'd like to do some more digging: http://halloffamesportsblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/josh-reichmans-interview-with-houston_6954.html. Pretty awesome website for those basketball junkies seeking cutting edge content.

 

[biggamer3]

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

Don't get mad at the Nuggs because took all your good players and made them play better while making your team worse. Ty and Nene are both borderline all stars this year and I think Gallo makes a jump to one of the better half dozen SFs.

Forgot about nene but he is not all star caliber really. If I have nba pass I will follow nuggets as my second team since I really liked gallo and want to see him progress. No hating here I just don't see them as anything special.also the Knicks would do over that trade 100 of 100 times

 

[TobiasFunke]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

 

[biggamer3]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

If I was rooting against them I would but I am not. Just making a prediction not a wager.I would bet though that Knicks will have more wins then nuggets though

 

[GroveDiesel]

Isn't it amazing that it was like a week ago that Laker fans were claiming that the reason the Lakers had so many titles and the Cavs had none was that the Lakers had such a great front office? Not that Kobe and Shaq both forced trades there? The same front office that has absolutely BUTCHERED this entire offseason?

 

[Moe.]

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

Don't get mad at the Nuggs because took all your good players and made them play better while making your team worse. Ty and Nene are both borderline all stars this year and I think Gallo makes a jump to one of the better half dozen SFs.

Forgot about nene but he is not all star caliber really. If I have nba pass I will follow nuggets as my second team since I really liked gallo and want to see him progress. No hating here I just don't see them as anything special.

also the Knicks would do over that trade 100 of 100 times

I'm sure the Nuggets would too. Are people forgetting how they finished last year? Wouldn't be surprised at all if they finish second.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Isn't it amazing that it was like a week ago that Laker fans were claiming that the reason the Lakers had so many titles and the Cavs had none was that the Lakers had such a great front office? Not that Kobe and Shaq both forced trades there? The same front office that has absolutely BUTCHERED this entire offseason?

There is a plannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[biggamer3]

Isn't it amazing that it was like a week ago that Laker fans were claiming that the reason the Lakers had so many titles and the Cavs had none was that the Lakers had such a great front office? Not that Kobe and Shaq both forced trades there? The same front office that has absolutely BUTCHERED this entire offseason?

yeah the Lakers getting Kobe and Shaw had little to do with the front office and as Bill Simmons mentioned, if Stu Jackson as GM of Grizz at time not taken Anthony Peeler and some other bum off the Lakers hands they would not have gotten Shaw and his contract.Kobe would not play for the Hornets and demanded to play for LA only, not much another GM could do

 

[Juxtatarot]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

Also, the #2 ranking factors in his general pessimism on the Mavs, Lakers and Spurs. He predicts the Nuggets to win at a 65% clip this year which would have been good for a 5 seed last year.

 

[Daywalker]

Isn't it amazing that it was like a week ago that Laker fans were claiming that the reason the Lakers had so many titles and the Cavs had none was that the Lakers had such a great front office? Not that Kobe and Shaq both forced trades there? The same front office that has absolutely BUTCHERED this entire offseason?

yeah the Lakers getting Kobe and Shaw had little to do with the front office and as Bill Simmons mentioned, if Stu Jackson as GM of Grizz at time not taken Anthony Peeler and some other bum off the Lakers hands they would not have gotten Shaw and his contract.Kobe would not play for the Hornets and demanded to play for LA only, not much another GM could do

Give the Lakers credit for seeing a star in Kobe. Not like he was drafted top three and forced a trade like S. Francis. Kobe was the 13th pick. All 13 teams did not pass on him because they were afraid of a H.S. kid going to play in Italy. As if they couldn't have drafted him to trade if his value was so high. Lakers deserve a ton of credit for securing Kobe.

 

[Daywalker]

Isn't it amazing that it was like a week ago that Laker fans were claiming that the reason the Lakers had so many titles and the Cavs had none was that the Lakers had such a great front office? Not that Kobe and Shaq both forced trades there? The same front office that has absolutely BUTCHERED this entire offseason?

yeah the Lakers getting Kobe and Shaw had little to do with the front office and as Bill Simmons mentioned, if Stu Jackson as GM of Grizz at time not taken Anthony Peeler and some other bum off the Lakers hands they would not have gotten Shaw and his contract.Kobe would not play for the Hornets and demanded to play for LA only, not much another GM could do

Think the Lakers gave up Peeler and Lynch to free up a little bit more money for Shaq. To say Shaq would not have signed anyway is not fact though. But the Lakers could not mess around. Always thought it was lame that Shaq pressed for that. Peeler and Lynch would have been great rotation guys for those early Shaq-Laker teams.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

The line is 38.5, trickster.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

The line is 38.5, trickster.

 

[Kev4029]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

If I was rooting against them I would but I am not. Just making a prediction not a wager.I would bet though that Knicks will have more wins then nuggets though

I'll take that bet, $20?

 

[biggamer3]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

If I was rooting against them I would but I am not. Just making a prediction not a wager.I would bet though that Knicks will have more wins then nuggets though

I'll take that bet, $20?

hell yeah!Will go up to 100 if you want

 

[biggamer3]

Any of these bets ring out aas good value bets?

2011-2012 NBA Championship

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Odds to win 2011-2012 NBA Championship

11651 Atlanta Hawks +7300

11652 Boston Celtics +2000

11653 Charlotte Bobcats +26000

11654 Chicago Bulls +700

11655 Cleveland Cavaliers +35000

11656 Dallas Mavericks +1150

11657 Denver Nuggets +9500

11658 Detroit Pistons +31500

11659 Golden State Warriors +10500

11660 Houston Rockets +10000

11661 Indiana Pacers +7000

11662 Los Angeles Clippers +1400

11663 Los Angeles Lakers +450

11664 Memphis Grizzlies +2200

11665 Miami Heat +200

11666 Milwaukee Bucks +15000

11667 Minnesota Timberwolves +26500

11668 New Jersey Nets +5500

11669 New Orleans Hornets +22500

11670 New York Knicks +1500

11671 Oklahoma City Thunder +730

11672 Orlando Magic +2950

11673 Philadelphia 76ers +17000

11674 Phoenix Suns +18000

11675 Portland Trail Blazers +3600

11676 Sacramento Kings +31500

11677 San Antonio Spurs +3500

11678 Toronto Raptors +37000

11679 Utah Jazz +15000

11680 Washington Wizards +26000

* Note: All teams are action. Event must have a ultimate winner for action

2011-2012 NBA MVP

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Odds to win the 2011-12 NBA MVP

11551 Amare Stoudemire +1500

11552 Blake Griffin +1400

11553 Carmelo Anthony +1000

11554 Chris Paul +800

11555 Deron Williams +1800

11556 Derrick Rose +350

11557 Dirk Nowitzki +1300

11558 Dwight Howard +500

11559 Dwyane Wade +800

11560 John Wall +6000

11561 Kevin Durant +150

11562 Kevin Love +2200

11563 Kobe Bryant +500

11564 LeBron James +150

11565 Monta Ellis +5000

11566 Pau Gasol +3000

11567 Rajon Rondo +5000

11568 Russell Westbrook +2000

11569 Zach Randolph +3000

11570 FIELD (Any other player) +1000

* Note:

2011-2012 NBA Rookie of The Year

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Odds to win 2011-2012 NBA Rookie of The Year

11603 Brandon Knight +800

11604 Derrick Williams +150

11605 Enes Kanter +500

11606 Jan Vesely +1200

11607 Jimmer Fredette +500

11608 Kawhi Leonard +2000

11609 Kemba Walker +800

11610 Klay Thompson +1200

11611 Kyrie Irving +500

11612 Marcus Morris +1500

11613 Markieff Morris +1500

11614 Norris Cole +1500

11615 Ricky Rubio +800

11616 Tobias Harris +1500

11617 The Field (any other player) +500

* Note: NBA ROY must be awarded for action. NBA.com for results.... All players are action.

NBA Player Futures

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Player with the highest Reg Season Point AVG

56101 Amare Stoudemire +1200

56102 Blake Griffin +1800

56103 Carmelo Anthony +650

56104 Derrick Rose +700

56105 Dirk Nowitzki +1500

56106 Dwayne Wade +800

56107 Kevin Durant -110

56108 Kevin Martin +2000

56109 Kobe Bryant +650

56110 LeBron James +250

56111 Monta Ellis +1500

56112 FIELD (Any other player) +800

* Note: 2011-2012 Regular season point average. By NBA.com

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Player with the highest Reg Season Assist AVG

56115 Chris Paul +100

56116 Deron Williams +350

56117 Derrick Rose +1200

56118 Jason Kidd +1000

56119 John Wall +1000

56120 Jose Calderon +800

56121 Rajon Rondo +250

56122 Raymond Felton +800

56123 Russell Westbrook +800

56124 Tyreke Evans +2000

56125 Steve Nash +250

56126 FIELD (Any other player) +800

* Note: 2011-2012 Regular season assist average. By NBA.com

Sun 12/25 9:00AM (PST)Player with the highest Reg Season Rebound AVG

56129 Al Jefferson +1500

56130 Blake Griffin +500

56131 David Lee +1500

56132 Demarcus Cousins +2500

56133 Dwight Howard +105

56134 Emeka Okafor +2000

56135 Kevin Love -110

56136 Kris Humpries +1200

56137 Pau Gasol +1200

56138 Tyson Chandler +1200

56139 Zach Randolph +500

56140 FIELD (Any other player) +800

* Note: 2011-2012 Regular season rebound average. By NBA.com

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[Kev4029]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

.500 would be 33 wins, right? I'd be up for a wager that they get to at least 37, which would be closer to .600 than .500. Any interest?

If I was rooting against them I would but I am not. Just making a prediction not a wager.I would bet though that Knicks will have more wins then nuggets though

I'll take that bet, $20?

hell yeah!Will go up to 100 if you want

Nah, $20 is a nice number that won't get me yelled at when I lose.

 

[Daywalker]

B. Griffin for MVP 14-1 looks decent. He was 10th last year as a rookie. They are going to win a lot more games this year. Spotlight and momentum.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

B. Griffin for MVP 14-1 looks decent. He was 10th last year as a rookie. They are going to win a lot more games this year. Spotlight and momentum.

I had the same thought. Title-wise, I like OKC.

 

[biggamer3]

Deal kev

 

[Kev4029]

Championship

11657 Denver Nuggets +9500 They have lots of assets that they could swing into a star player

11660 Houston Rockets +10000 Same as the Nuggets

11668 New Jersey Nets +5500 If they can get Howard this would be by far the best deal, IMO

MVP

11554 Chris Paul +800 The media is going to be all over him. If the Clips hit 40 wins he'll get the MVP.

11568 Russell Westbrook +2000 My dark horse candidate. Hes made big strides each year, if he can make a significant stride again this year he'll supplant Durant as their best player.

Scoring Leader

56108 Kevin Martin +2000

56109 Kobe Bryant +650 He may go nuts this year like he did 05-06 to prove everybody wrong.

 

[biggamer3]

You guys dont like kemba at +800 for ROY?

If it's not D Will which it should be, I could easily see it go to Kemba as he will likely be the lone scorer on that team.

 

[tommyGunZ]

You guys dont like kemba at +800 for ROY?If it's not D Will which it should be, I could easily see it go to Kemba as he will likely be the lone scorer on that team.

Kyrie is going to have something to say about the ROY.

 

[Abraham]

Irving should win Roy. Being the point guard on a team with no other scorers has been the path recently (wall of griffin isn't there, Evans, rose)

 

[biggamer3]

Irving should win Roy. Being the point guard on a team with no other scorers has been the path recently (wall of griffin isn't there, Evans, rose)

If you like Irving, him at +500 is solid odds.

 

[Abraham]

I could see Martin winning the scoring title if durant gets Hirt. 20:1 on durant getting injured seems reasonable.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Old school Bullets jersey on NBAtv right now!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

You guys dont like kemba at +800 for ROY?

If it's not D Will which it should be, I could easily see it go to Kemba as he will likely be the lone scorer on that team.

I think the odds are way off on D-Will unless Beasley gets moved. (please someone take him!)

 

[biggamer3]

You guys dont like kemba at +800 for ROY?

If it's not D Will which it should be, I could easily see it go to Kemba as he will likely be the lone scorer on that team.

I think the odds are way off on D-Will unless Beasley gets moved. (please someone take him!)

yeah thats why I wouldnt bet on him, but he is the favorite

 

[Instinctive]

I like Martin's odds in the scoring one

 

[rascal]

Here is Hollinger's projection for the Nuggets this year (finishing only behind OKC in the West):

2. Denver Nuggets (43-23)

Hollinger has gone crazy.

Not that I agree with what Hollinger wrote, but his reasoning made sense. The Nuggets are going to keep everybody's minutes low and everybody will be fresh. I don't think that means they'll win 2/3rds of their games, but the the deep bench and the uptempo playing style will be a huge advantage for the compressed schedule.

dude has gone off deep end. Nuggets are barely a .500 team this year, lots of solid players no all star caliber one besides for gallo who has potential to be. Ty is decent, don't see star ability though for him

How did they do after melo left?

 

[rascal]

Kev> Do the Nugs have the money for Chandler after Nene and Afflalo signings? Or are you assuming 1 year deal?

They are very close to the cap after Nene and Afflalo, but the only moves they made this offseason were either minimum salary (Carroll), Rookie signings (Faried and Hamilton), their own free agents (Afflalo and Nene) and the Brewer/Fernandez trade using part of the trade exception from the Melo deal last season. Because of that, they were able to keep Bird Rights on Martin and Smith and extended the qualifying offer to Chandler so they could still offer all three of them max contracts if the so chose. I'm not sure how much the Nuggets are willing to spend this season, but I would imagine as long as they stay under the luxury tax line the ownership (Stan Kronke and Baby Kronke) won't make a fuss. I would assume that would allow them to give Chandler a fair market deal (4/25-30ish) and hopefully give Martin something like 2/10.ETA: Using 7.5% raises each year Afflalo's salary this year should be right about $7.4m and Nene's should be right around $11.5m, so the Nuggets have about $56m in committed salary (assuming they keep Carroll's $750k salary) . That would leave them about $14m, I think, to spend on Chandler/Martin/Smith when they can come back. With the 4/30 and 2/10 contracts I proposed they would only hit about $68m.

I wasn't sure what Denver was going to look like this year, but if this team can get some chemistry and figure out what scoring combos work, they could be a very scary team to play in this shortened season. Just when I was going to try and stay away from the NBA to boycott the stupidity of the lock-out, they drag me right back in.

I think for them to make any real noise they'll need to have either Lawson or Gallo step up and become the best player on the team. And to be competitive into the next half decade they have to flip some of this talent because Gallo is going to be looking for an extension prior to next season and Lawson will be looking for one the following season and I doubt they can afford paying Nene's and Afflalo's contracts while also giving long deals to Gallo and Lawson and keeping around any significant depth. They could give a team like the Lakers a huge boost in March with a giant sign and trade of Martin, Chandler and Smith for Bynum.... or maybe Miller, Martin and Chandler.

They heavily loaded Nene and Affalo's contracts.And with Rudy being obtained I think Smith is gone. Karl has obviously never liked him, and as he recently said, "Fernandez is J.R. Smith without the insanity,"Plus, with Faried and Nene moving to 4 I think Kenyon may be on the bubble as well.

 

[rascal]

Nene's contract:

2011-12 | 2012-13 | 2013-14 | 2014-15 | 2015-16

15,750,000 | 14,568,750 | 13,387,500 | 12,206,250 | 11,025,000

I don't have the numbers, but if they do the same for Affalo, his numbers would be something like this:

10,117,647 | 9,358,824 | 8,600,000 | 7,841,176 | 7,082,353