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All good points. I think a (easy) case can be made for Chandler, Noah, and Ibaka as better defensive centers. Offensively he is still very good, but do you think he's going to put up a 30/20 anytime soon? Me either. I don't dislike Howard and would love if the Rockets had him - injury risk and all. I just happen to agree with SImmons that 18 months ago he was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league and now he has slid down a peg or two.

 
All good points. I think a (easy) case can be made for Chandler, Noah, and Ibaka as better defensive centers. Offensively he is still very good, but do you think he's going to put up a 30/20 anytime soon? Me either. I don't dislike Howard and would love if the Rockets had him - injury risk and all. I just happen to agree with SImmons that 18 months ago he was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league and now he has slid down a peg or two.
Exactly.It's telling that the focus of the discussion has been on his status among NBA centers at a time when there's a dearth of elite true centers in the league. The All-NBA second and third team centers from last season: Bynum/Chandler. Two years ago it would Stoudemire/Horford. Compare that to previous eras. Ten years before that the second and third team guys were Nowitzki(!) and Mutumbo. Go back 15 and its Ewing/O'Neal. Go back 20 and Ewing/Daugherty. At this point it's probably two of Lopez, Ibaka and Chandler, yes? None of them are the marquee player even on their own team.Sure, he may still be the best one in the league even this season, but he used to be among the top handful of players regardless of position. I don't know if he ever gets back to that level.
 
I think Ibaka is probably better classified as a power forward, and he is definitely not a better overall defender than Dwight. Shot-blocker, maybe, but I think he tries to block way too many shots (he has gotten better about that this year though).

 
I think Ibaka is probably better classified as a power forward, and he is definitely not a better overall defender than Dwight. Shot-blocker, maybe, but I think he tries to block way too many shots (he has gotten better about that this year though).
I think most metrics this year would point to Ibaka being superior. Dwight is AWFUL this year in transition, for example.
 
How can Deng make this team over Lopez? I'm happy Crawford and JR didnt make the team though. No bench scorer who shoots 40% deserves an all star spot just because they can score 16 off the bench. Bench is sooo overrated since they play the same amount of minutes as starters. Its not like these guys are scoring their points in 20 minutes a night.BTW as fun as Barkley is to have on TNT, his arguments never make any logical sense. He was crying all night about Crawford not making team over guys like Parker and Duncan since they have been there so many times and this is Crawfords only chance, that makes no sense as those two are far superior to him this year in every regard. Curry though is a beast and deserves to get in somehow. NBA should have a fan voting for a 13th spot as well just like Baseball does. Lopez and Curry would then be all stars, they will barely get playing time and everyone will be happy.

 
How can Deng make this team over Lopez? I'm happy Crawford and JR didnt make the team though. No bench scorer who shoots 40% deserves an all star spot just because they can score 16 off the bench. Bench is sooo overrated since they play the same amount of minutes as starters. Its not like these guys are scoring their points in 20 minutes a night.BTW as fun as Barkley is to have on TNT, his arguments never make any logical sense. He was crying all night about Crawford not making team over guys like Parker and Duncan since they have been there so many times and this is Crawfords only chance, that makes no sense as those two are far superior to him this year in every regard. Curry though is a beast and deserves to get in somehow. NBA should have a fan voting for a 13th spot as well just like Baseball does. Lopez and Curry would then be all stars, they will barely get playing time and everyone will be happy.
Re: Curry, Paul doesn't have a timetable to return to NBA action right now. I think the chances are way above 50% that Curry's in the ASG.
 
For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.

 
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SCary to thing how much better David Lee is right now then Amare. We were so happy when Amare came aboard year one and Lee went to GS. But on the bright side, Knicks probably never get Melo if they didnt get Amare that offseason, so no matter how poorly Amare plays over the next 3 years, his signing will be a good one since it got the Knicks Melo.

 
For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.
Disability or not, he should not be posting his negative messages on Twitter. He is still employed by the Rockets, him calling the GM on Twitter a liar is terrible.
 
For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.
Disability or not, he should not be posting his negative messages on Twitter. He is still employed by the Rockets, him calling the GM on Twitter a liar is terrible.
So wait, what is wrong with him and what accommodations is he asking for? Were the Rockets not aware of these issues pre-draft?
 
So wait, what is wrong with him and what accommodations is he asking for? Were the Rockets not aware of these issues pre-draft?
He reportedly wants counseling and the freedom to travel on his own. Reportedly. But the Rockets' commentator (Matt Bullard) said a month ago that they have had a counselor at the facility EVERY DAY waiting for him and he has not made one appointment.Yes, they were aware. And they were reportedly planning on taking Tyler ZEller with the pick but figured he would slip 2 more spots so they took White. He has always been thought of as a player to develop from the Rockets end. And there is substantial chatter by "people in the know" that if they suddenly needed him for 25 mpg he would get over his issues in a hurry. McHale is averse to playing rookies because of their defensive lapses and seems content to leave Jones and Donuts on the bench pretty much all of the time for this reason. Apparently White doesn't like the idea that he won't be getting any run.
 
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For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.
Disability or not, he should not be posting his negative messages on Twitter. He is still employed by the Rockets, him calling the GM on Twitter a liar is terrible.
So wait, what is wrong with him and what accommodations is he asking for? Were the Rockets not aware of these issues pre-draft?
Anxiety disorder. He wants a separate health protocol written by his people that requires an outside 3rd party physician to determine if he is capable of playing or not for each game. Also wants a driver to drive him to and from road games, paid for by the Rockets, because he fears flying. Rockets will not agree to the terms, so Royce will not show up. Rockets have suspended him without pay.According to the segment, most (all?) teams wre passing on him in the draft. Rockets took him because Royce's college coach, Fred Hoiberg, played for/with Kevin McHale, the Rockets GM/coach... and Hoiberg vouched for Royce's character.

 
For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.
Disability or not, he should not be posting his negative messages on Twitter. He is still employed by the Rockets, him calling the GM on Twitter a liar is terrible.
So wait, what is wrong with him and what accommodations is he asking for? Were the Rockets not aware of these issues pre-draft?
Anxiety disorder. He wants a separate health protocol written by his people that requires an outside 3rd party physician to determine if he is capable of playing or not for each game. Also wants a driver to drive him to and from road games, paid for by the Rockets, because he fears flying. Rockets will not agree to the terms, so Royce will not show up. Rockets have suspended him without pay.According to the segment, most (all?) teams wre passing on him in the draft. Rockets took him because Royce's college coach, Fred Hoiberg, played for/with Kevin McHale, the Rockets GM/coach... and Hoiberg vouched for Royce's character.
Ah, the mayor. that's an unreasonable accommodation I'd say.
 
For those of you with HBO, Real Sports had a segment on Royce White tonight.

Such a weird story. :(
Starting again right now for those who missed it.
dude needs a Xanax
You know, I was kinda wondering about that. Can't they let him lay down on the plane, then the team doctor gives him something that will basically knock him out for as long as that particular flight takes? It seems like an easy fix. :shrug:
I am trying to be sympathetic to the fact that it is a disability, but give me an effing break. He's trying to compare it to a physical disability, but there is an expectation that people will recover from the physical stuff. The segment made it seem that Royce is going to pull this crap all the time.And if he says he can't drive, why did they show him driving? The dude just sounds like a nutjob, which he clearly is. Hope his career goes nowhere.
Disability or not, he should not be posting his negative messages on Twitter. He is still employed by the Rockets, him calling the GM on Twitter a liar is terrible.
So wait, what is wrong with him and what accommodations is he asking for? Were the Rockets not aware of these issues pre-draft?
Anxiety disorder. He wants a separate health protocol written by his people that requires an outside 3rd party physician to determine if he is capable of playing or not for each game. Also wants a driver to drive him to and from road games, paid for by the Rockets, because he fears flying. Rockets will not agree to the terms, so Royce will not show up. Rockets have suspended him without pay.According to the segment, most (all?) teams wre passing on him in the draft. Rockets took him because Royce's college coach, Fred Hoiberg, played for/with Kevin McHale, the Rockets GM/coach... and Hoiberg vouched for Royce's character.
Ah, the mayor. that's an unreasonable accommodation I'd say.
Yeah... the dude with the eyebrows said pretty much the same thing. Declaring an outside physician as having the final say regarding his ability to play is a territory that any organization should be wary of going, and that it is simply an unreasonable demand.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
Howard isn't going anywhere, either via trade or in the offseason in FA.
Agreed. The Lakers can offer him the most money. If his back is bad (and it looks that way) he's only getting one more max deal. It's LA. He'll take some tours and be in the headlines for a while. He might even do some stupid stunt like Lebron in announcing where he's going to sign. But he isn't leaving the LA Lakers for the friggin Atlanta Hawks...
It's always so silly when people do this. None of us have ANY idea what motivates the guy. None. You can't apply what you would do if you were in his shoes to his thought process. All we know is that he doesn't want to be in Orlando playing for Stan Van Gundy. And we know that he was OK with being traded to L.A. but that he hasn't signed an extension there. And we kind of heard that if he had his druthers he would have been traded to Brooklyn or maybe Dallas, but that's mostly gossip. That's it. That's all any of us know about how his mind works. What part of that makes you think he'll stay in LA for sure, or that there's no way he'd want to play for his hometown team? If you haven't noticed, the Lakers kind of suck at basketball, and there's obvious path for them to get better in the next few years. I'm sure he likes money and an extra year of income security, but I'm also sure that he doesn't enjoy playing for a team that sucks at basketball.
This is silly. Of course Howard hasn't signed an extension in LA yet - it would be foolish financially as he can get better terms by waiting to re-up with LA this summer.And while no one can say the know exactly what motivates any particular athlete, we can look at history and get a pretty good idea of what is going to happen. Athletes very, VERY rarely turn down more money from one organization to play for another. And no one turns down more money from the Lakers to take less money from another franchise. It simply doesn't happen. To ignore the realities of the situation and act as if we're clueless as to where Dwight will go is crazy talk.
Good points. Sounds like it's 100% certain that Dwight will be in a Lakers uniform for 2013-2014. Still, I wouldn't mind a small wager if you'll give me long enough odds. 3-1?
Nah. I've got other folks willing to wager straight up.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
Howard isn't going anywhere, either via trade or in the offseason in FA.
Agreed. The Lakers can offer him the most money. If his back is bad (and it looks that way) he's only getting one more max deal. It's LA. He'll take some tours and be in the headlines for a while. He might even do some stupid stunt like Lebron in announcing where he's going to sign. But he isn't leaving the LA Lakers for the friggin Atlanta Hawks...
It's always so silly when people do this. None of us have ANY idea what motivates the guy. None. You can't apply what you would do if you were in his shoes to his thought process. All we know is that he doesn't want to be in Orlando playing for Stan Van Gundy. And we know that he was OK with being traded to L.A. but that he hasn't signed an extension there. And we kind of heard that if he had his druthers he would have been traded to Brooklyn or maybe Dallas, but that's mostly gossip. That's it. That's all any of us know about how his mind works. What part of that makes you think he'll stay in LA for sure, or that there's no way he'd want to play for his hometown team? If you haven't noticed, the Lakers kind of suck at basketball, and there's obvious path for them to get better in the next few years. I'm sure he likes money and an extra year of income security, but I'm also sure that he doesn't enjoy playing for a team that sucks at basketball.
This is silly. Of course Howard hasn't signed an extension in LA yet - it would be foolish financially as he can get better terms by waiting to re-up with LA this summer.And while no one can say the know exactly what motivates any particular athlete, we can look at history and get a pretty good idea of what is going to happen. Athletes very, VERY rarely turn down more money from one organization to play for another. And no one turns down more money from the Lakers to take less money from another franchise. It simply doesn't happen. To ignore the realities of the situation and act as if we're clueless as to where Dwight will go is crazy talk.
Good points. Sounds like it's 100% certain that Dwight will be in a Lakers uniform for 2013-2014. Still, I wouldn't mind a small wager if you'll give me long enough odds. 3-1?
Nah. I've got other folks willing to wager straight up.
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Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?

 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
They had HORSE is 08/09 and 09/10. Durant won it both years then they cancelled it.
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
They had HORSE is 08/09 and 09/10. Durant won it both years then they cancelled it.
Really? Wow, not sure how I missed that.
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
They had HORSE is 08/09 and 09/10. Durant won it both years then they cancelled it.
Really? Wow, not sure how I missed that.
It wasn't televised. It is on youtube if you want to watch it. Nothing special.
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
I don't know why they don't raise the stakes somehow on the Slam Dunk contest. Plenty of ways to get the money.But for now what they really need to do is let Bonner shoot. It's a win for everyone.
 
Is there any chance that the Lakers have to move one of Gasol or Howard (this season or in the offseason) in order to not pay a ridiculous luxury tax? I know Buss is nearly a billionaire, but I read somewhere (can't vouch for the accuracy), that if they sign Howard to the max, that puts them at 100 million with still 6 or 7 roster spots to fill. Because they would be 30 million over the tax threshold, it would be somewhere north of 80 million in luxury tax payments? And in 2014-15, when the repeat offender thing goes into effect, it would be over 100 million?Is that all true?

 
Is there any chance that the Lakers have to move one of Gasol or Howard (this season or in the offseason) in order to not pay a ridiculous luxury tax? I know Buss is nearly a billionaire, but I read somewhere (can't vouch for the accuracy), that if they sign Howard to the max, that puts them at 100 million with still 6 or 7 roster spots to fill. Because they would be 30 million over the tax threshold, it would be somewhere north of 80 million in luxury tax payments? And in 2014-15, when the repeat offender thing goes into effect, it would be over 100 million?Is that all true?
They'd be just under $100M resigning Howard and would only have 8 players under contract. With just Kobe, Howard and Gasol, they are right at the luxury tax. Not sure how much they'd be paying but it would be a lot. In 13/14, they'll be paying $3.25 for every $1 that is $15M over the tax. So $100M in tax seems about right.Assuming signing Howard to the max, giving Clark a $4M/year deal and other filler, they'll probably be around $110M in salary. $3.25/1 starts at $85M so just for that, they're paying about $80M in tax not counting what they would pay on the first $15M in salary over the tax.ETA: If the repeat offender tax kicks in, they're paying $4.25 instead of $3.25 so they'd probably be looking at closer to $125M in tax.
 
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On another topic - am I delusional or does Andre Drummond look like he has the potential to be as good, if not better than Dwight Howard? The kid is a physical specimen (7'6" wingspan) and already has great upper body strength (esp. compared to Anthony Davis). His athleticism and coordination are off the charts - he measured a 33' vertical at the combine and can play comfortably above the rim. He's still terribly underdeveloped offensively, with very limited post moves and no jump shot, but every time I watch him, I'm extremely impressed by his handles. His per 36 PER's are off the chart, btw - mainly because all he does is put back dunks. I'm starting to think that, despite the monster rookie season Lillard is having, that Drummond will end up being the best player out of the 2012 draft. Davis is also playing well and not a disappointment at all and, imo, has a more versatile game. However, unlike Drummond, Davis desn't seem to have the bulk to bang inside and be the dominant defensive presence inside that I think Drummond will be - at least at this point anyway. Lillard is great but I'm not sure how much better he gets from here.
:goodposting: Maybe a super-sized Tyson Chandler? I'm not sure if he'll ever develop a post game, but good things just seem to happen all over the court when Drummond is out there. Oh, and he's 19 years old.
 
Yet he has not one but two star centers to work with. One of them, Howard, isn't just on a different page from Nash but seems to be reading an entirely different book."You forget he's only 27," Nash says. "He's trying to figure it out. Figure himself out."If that sounds like a veiled way to say Howard is immature, that's the vibe you get from other Lakers players, too. As one Lakers staff member said, off the record, "You can't come into a locker room where Kobe is pretty quiet, Nash is pretty quiet, Gasol is pretty quiet, and never shut up. The guy never stops talking."
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Yet he has not one but two star centers to work with. One of them, Howard, isn't just on a different page from Nash but seems to be reading an entirely different book."You forget he's only 27," Nash says. "He's trying to figure it out. Figure himself out."If that sounds like a veiled way to say Howard is immature, that's the vibe you get from other Lakers players, too. As one Lakers staff member said, off the record, "You can't come into a locker room where Kobe is pretty quiet, Nash is pretty quiet, Gasol is pretty quiet, and never shut up. The guy never stops talking."
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Good thing they got Kobe 'the glue' Bryant to hold the team together.
 
Yet he has not one but two star centers to work with. One of them, Howard, isn't just on a different page from Nash but seems to be reading an entirely different book."You forget he's only 27," Nash says. "He's trying to figure it out. Figure himself out."If that sounds like a veiled way to say Howard is immature, that's the vibe you get from other Lakers players, too. As one Lakers staff member said, off the record, "You can't come into a locker room where Kobe is pretty quiet, Nash is pretty quiet, Gasol is pretty quiet, and never shut up. The guy never stops talking."
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Good thing they got Kobe 'the glue' Bryant to hold the team together.
Doesn't matter what Kobe does, you haters would blame him for getting your feet wet after he parted the Red Sea for your sorry ###.
 
Jimmy Butler is legit. As good as supporting player Deng is, he won't get another contract from the Bulls IMO. With an All Star selection, I'd actually look to deal him (as his value will never be higher) and he's not a $14+ million/yr player (certainly not for age 30 seasons and beyond),which is what he'll ask for in free agency. I don't expect trade to happen but would be interesting to see what they'd get in return.Bulls made a big mistake IMO giving Taj Gibson $9.5 mil/year extension. Think they could have done better down the road when they get Boozer off the books (Nikola Mirotic is their PF of future,not Taj). Boozer's bought himself another year and may even finish out that contract. I will always view Taj as a energy bench guy that can start when required.

 
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Jimmy Butler is legit. As good as supporting player Deng is, he won't get another contract from the Bulls IMO. With an All Star selection, I'd actually look to deal him (as his value will never be higher) and he's not a $14+ million/yr player (certainly not for age 30 seasons and beyond),which is what he'll ask for in free agency. I don't expect trade to happen but would be interesting to see what they'd get in return.Bulls made a big mistake IMO giving Taj Gibson $9.5 mil/year extension. Think they could have done better down the road when they get Boozer off the books (Nikola Mirotic is their PF of future,not Taj). Boozer's bought himself another year and may even finish out that contract. I will always view Taj as a energy bench guy that can start when required.
Yup. Jimmy looks like a player. Taj is definitely a disappointment and hasn't really developed much at all since his rookie season, but it's still easy to see him being necessary if Boozer disappears again in the playoffs. 21 attempts tonight and only 2 FT's? If that jumper goes cold, he's basically useless.
 
Why does Gunz completely disregard the possibility of a sign and trade for Howard? Isn't that a viable option for him to get paid and leave?
B/c I don't think the Lakers have any desire to get rid of Howard. He IS the franchise for the next 5 years starting in 18 months. And although he's disappointed thus far, it's clear that he's not healthy. Mitch usually sees the forest for the trees. I doubt he'll be swayed by 1/2 of a season with a new coach, new team, new system, and all the injuries and completely sour on Dwight. :shrug:
Yeah, but Dwight plays a factor in the whole thing as well. Liking what you do for a living is worth something, that's why so many liberal freaks spend hundreds of thousands being educated for jobs that don't pay anything.
Facts are also important, something that conservatives seem to ignore these days. Dwight can get more money from the Lakers than anyone else, and NO ONE leaves the Lakers by choice. It is the #1 free agent destination in the NBA.
Lets hear the list of recent free agents who have chosen LAL.
 
Why does Gunz completely disregard the possibility of a sign and trade for Howard? Isn't that a viable option for him to get paid and leave?
B/c I don't think the Lakers have any desire to get rid of Howard. He IS the franchise for the next 5 years starting in 18 months. And although he's disappointed thus far, it's clear that he's not healthy. Mitch usually sees the forest for the trees. I doubt he'll be swayed by 1/2 of a season with a new coach, new team, new system, and all the injuries and completely sour on Dwight. :shrug:
Yeah, but Dwight plays a factor in the whole thing as well. Liking what you do for a living is worth something, that's why so many liberal freaks spend hundreds of thousands being educated for jobs that don't pay anything.
Facts are also important, something that conservatives seem to ignore these days. Dwight can get more money from the Lakers than anyone else, and NO ONE leaves the Lakers by choice. It is the #1 free agent destination in the NBA.
Lets hear the list of recent free agents who have chosen LAL.
Almost 40 year old Steve Nash, and he basically made it sound like he felt dirty about it and was just trying to take one last stab at a ring.
 
All good points. I think a (easy) case can be made for Chandler, Noah, and Ibaka as better defensive centers. Offensively he is still very good, but do you think he's going to put up a 30/20 anytime soon? Me either. I don't dislike Howard and would love if the Rockets had him - injury risk and all. I just happen to agree with SImmons that 18 months ago he was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league and now he has slid down a peg or two.
FGA may be a factor here.
 
Why does Gunz completely disregard the possibility of a sign and trade for Howard? Isn't that a viable option for him to get paid and leave?
B/c I don't think the Lakers have any desire to get rid of Howard. He IS the franchise for the next 5 years starting in 18 months. And although he's disappointed thus far, it's clear that he's not healthy. Mitch usually sees the forest for the trees. I doubt he'll be swayed by 1/2 of a season with a new coach, new team, new system, and all the injuries and completely sour on Dwight. :shrug:
Yeah, but Dwight plays a factor in the whole thing as well. Liking what you do for a living is worth something, that's why so many liberal freaks spend hundreds of thousands being educated for jobs that don't pay anything.
Facts are also important, something that conservatives seem to ignore these days. Dwight can get more money from the Lakers than anyone else, and NO ONE leaves the Lakers by choice. It is the #1 free agent destination in the NBA.
Lets hear the list of recent free agents who have chosen LAL.
:confused: Are you contesting the point that LA isn't the premier destination for NBA players?
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
They had HORSE is 08/09 and 09/10. Durant won it both years then they cancelled it.
Really? Wow, not sure how I missed that.
It wasn't televised. It is on youtube if you want to watch it. Nothing special.
It was on tv FWIW. I watched it. It was kind of fun. I remember Rondo shooting surprisingly well.
 
Now that the all-star rosters are out, when do they announce the participants in the dunk and 3 point contest? Most importantly: they are gonna let Bonner shoot, right? How could they not?
1. The NBA should absolutely put in Simmons idea of a game of HORSE. Seriously, how would that not be the most entertaining part of the weekend?2. The NBA is rolling in money so there is no motivation to do so, but imagine if they made the SLam Dunk cost where they gave a million to the winner and $10 million to the charity of the winner's choice? The reason the dunk contest sucks is not because everything has been done, but because no one cares about the participants. Chase Budinger isn't going to have legions of fans supporting him. Jordan and Nique were a dunkalicious rivalry. WOuldn't the scenario above get Westbrook and Blake and some decent names in it? What would they have to do to get the Big Fish in the contest? You have to know if LBJ entered than Westbrook and Melo and Griffin would follow. Can you imagine how electric that would be?
They had HORSE is 08/09 and 09/10. Durant won it both years then they cancelled it.
Really? Wow, not sure how I missed that.
It wasn't televised. It is on youtube if you want to watch it. Nothing special.
It was on tv FWIW. I watched it. It was kind of fun. I remember Rondo shooting surprisingly well.
Really? It wasn't part of the typical Saturday night lineup, was it? I don't remember seeing it live and I'm sure I watched those years.
 
Doesn't matter what Kobe does
Amazing how much better the Lakers look w/o him jacking up 25+ shots a game and him distributing the ball.Kobe currently 4th tonight on Lakers in FGA. Lakers as a team shooting 54%.
Again, when the other guys show up, Kobe is happy to take a backseat. Unfortunately, Dwight and Pau have been MIA all season.
:goodposting:If Gasol had shown up again the Raptors, Kobe wouldn't have had to jack up so many shots. I mean, Gasol was just terrible that game.
 
Doesn't matter what Kobe does
Amazing how much better the Lakers look w/o him jacking up 25+ shots a game and him distributing the ball.Kobe currently 4th tonight on Lakers in FGA. Lakers as a team shooting 54%.
Again, when the other guys show up, Kobe is happy to take a backseat. Unfortunately, Dwight and Pau have been MIA all season.
Just not seeing it. For a guy with a horrible back still, Dwight's leading the league in rebounding, has 2.5 blocks a game, is shooting .576. But he's had to stand around and watch Kobe jack up 22 shots while he gets 10. This won't last. We've seen Kobe pass the ball in individual games before, but he can't bring himself to take this role long term. We'll see plenty more games where he chucks it up 27 times and Howard is sitting there with 6 attempts and everyone cries about how worthless he is since he only got 4 points that night and looked immature after he got tired of playing D all night long while Kobe plays turnstile on that end of the court saving his energy to play hero ball. It's kind of inevitable.
 
Doesn't matter what Kobe does
Amazing how much better the Lakers look w/o him jacking up 25+ shots a game and him distributing the ball.Kobe currently 4th tonight on Lakers in FGA. Lakers as a team shooting 54%.
Again, when the other guys show up, Kobe is happy to take a backseat. Unfortunately, Dwight and Pau have been MIA all season.
Just not seeing it. For a guy with a horrible back still, Dwight's leading the league in rebounding, has 2.5 blocks a game, is shooting .576. But he's had to stand around and watch Kobe jack up 22 shots while he gets 10. This won't last. We've seen Kobe pass the ball in individual games before, but he can't bring himself to take this role long term. We'll see plenty more games where he chucks it up 27 times and Howard is sitting there with 6 attempts and everyone cries about how worthless he is since he only got 4 points that night and looked immature after he got tired of playing D all night long while Kobe plays turnstile on that end of the court saving his energy to play hero ball. It's kind of inevitable.
What's inevitable is that people like you who don't watch the games will claim to actually know what's going on. Kobe didn't win 5 championships by sabotaging teams in order to take more shots. He cares about one thing now, and that's winning championships. He that means he takes 10 shots, scores 14, gets 14 assists, and 9 boards while the Lakers win by 20, he'll take it every time.
 

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