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Knicks situation will be interesting because, although Felton cheaper than Brendan Haywood would be a "bargain", he's the worst chucker in the game & i've havent heard so many comments from players about hating being on the floor with another as they did about Randolph last year since Danny Ainge was with the Celts. That said, both of their games would D'antoni very very well if the coach can break them each of their worst habit.

 
The Knicks are close to acquiring Raymond Felton for 3 yrs 25 million with last year not being guaranteed. When I look at this roster it is markedly better than any roster the Knicks have had in the past 10 years with that being said is it realistic to expect playoffs with this bunch? I foresee a 7th or 8th seed.FeltonChandlerGalloRandolphAmare
Except for defense, and rebounding, and only one guy who can shoot from 3, I agree. Looks really good.
 
I know there are alot of Heat fans so I hope I dont upset them but check out this t-shirt

Says "You can head south but your mom rides west"

http://kissmyasslebron.bigcartel.com/produ...-mom-rides-west
Nice to see Cleveland fans taking this in stride. :fishing:
I liked the Cleveland Plain Dealer front page with a picture of LeBron walking away. It had an arrow pointing to his right hand with the caption, "seven seasons, zero rings". I wonder how ORL fans would have reacted if the Shaq signing with the Lakers took place in the Twitter/FB/blog era.
Would not have gone well. But Orlando/Florida sports don't have quite the tortured history Cleveland does. Here you can just go to the beach, or watch other teams (Rays, Bucs, Gators, Marlins) that have had somewhat recent success. Cleveland gives you gray skies, fat broads and the hope that Grady Sizemore gets back in time so you can overtake the Royals for 4th place.
 
That knicks squad should definitely make the playoffs. The eat is going too be interesting as some nice teams like the bucks, knicks, and bobcats sniff 48+ wins then get hammered in the playoffs.dR

 
That knicks squad should definitely make the playoffs. The eat is going too be interesting as some nice teams like the bucks, knicks, and bobcats sniff 48+ wins then get hammered in the playoffs.dR
The Knicks might sneak into the playoffs but there's no way they win 48+, IMO. Wizards are another interesting team to watch. If Arenas is healthy at all, I think they will also be in the mix for the 8th spot.
 
Heat in talks with Juwan Howard.
At age 38, how much would Howard have left in the tank?I think Howard has the worst ratio of "regular season games played" (1116) to "playoff games played" (29) in the history of the NBA.
Played fairly well last year for the Blazers. I'm not sure what more they can realistically expect to get with minimum slots (assuming that's what they are offering).
 
The Knicks are close to acquiring Raymond Felton for 3 yrs 25 million with last year not being guaranteed. When I look at this roster it is markedly better than any roster the Knicks have had in the past 10 years with that being said is it realistic to expect playoffs with this bunch? I foresee a 7th or 8th seed.FeltonChandlerGalloRandolphAmare
Except for defense, and rebounding, and only one guy who can shoot from 3, I agree. Looks really good.
Felton shot 39% from three point land last year. Randolph has fantastic per 36 rebounding numbers and Stoudemire is solid enough (17th in the league in RPG).
 
Heat in talks with Juwan Howard.
At age 38, how much would Howard have left in the tank?I think Howard has the worst ratio of "regular season games played" (1116) to "playoff games played" (29) in the history of the NBA.
Played fairly well last year for the Blazers. I'm not sure what more they can realistically expect to get with minimum slots (assuming that's what they are offering).
I think they can do better, he is pretty much a 12th man at best. He can't do anything except hit a mid range jump shot, I wouldn't touch the guy. If you are looking for a pick and pop PF/C ,Kurt Thomas, Tony Battie, and Joe Smith all offer similar skills except they try to rebound. I really thought Howard should have been out of the league a couple years ago.
 
The Knicks are close to acquiring Raymond Felton for 3 yrs 25 million with last year not being guaranteed. When I look at this roster it is markedly better than any roster the Knicks have had in the past 10 years with that being said is it realistic to expect playoffs with this bunch? I foresee a 7th or 8th seed.FeltonChandlerGalloRandolphAmare
Except for defense, and rebounding, and only one guy who can shoot from 3, I agree. Looks really good.
Felton shot 39% from three point land last year. Randolph has fantastic per 36 rebounding numbers and Stoudemire is solid enough (17th in the league in RPG).
Toney Douglas shot well from 3 last year too (39%), and Azubuike has always been a good 3 point shooter (career 41%) and rebounder. They aren't going to lead the league in rebounding or 3 point shooting, but they should fall right around middle of the pack it rebounding and shooting rates. They still have some room to get another player or two to help out I think too.
 
Heat in talks with Juwan Howard.
At age 38, how much would Howard have left in the tank?I think Howard has the worst ratio of "regular season games played" (1116) to "playoff games played" (29) in the history of the NBA.
Played fairly well last year for the Blazers. I'm not sure what more they can realistically expect to get with minimum slots (assuming that's what they are offering).
I think they can do better, he is pretty much a 12th man at best. He can't do anything except hit a mid range jump shot, I wouldn't touch the guy. If you are looking for a pick and pop PF/C ,Kurt Thomas, Tony Battie, and Joe Smith all offer similar skills except they try to rebound. I really thought Howard should have been out of the league a couple years ago.
Is Kurt Thomas a minimum guy? I wouldn't be terribly excited about adding either of the other two you mentioned either. The minimum big man market isn't all that great. If they are looking for rebounders, there has to be some Joey Dorsey/Jon Brockman types available in the D-league or who don't get camp invites from the summer league.
 
The Knicks are close to acquiring Raymond Felton for 3 yrs 25 million with last year not being guaranteed. When I look at this roster it is markedly better than any roster the Knicks have had in the past 10 years with that being said is it realistic to expect playoffs with this bunch? I foresee a 7th or 8th seed.FeltonChandlerGalloRandolphAmare
Except for defense, and rebounding, and only one guy who can shoot from 3, I agree. Looks really good.
They'll be really fun to watch though!!
 
Minnessota accumulating a lot of assests that don't make a lot of dough outside of Jefferson.

Jefferson

Love

Flynn

W. Johnson

Rubio

Beasley

Brewer

 
The Knicks are close to acquiring Raymond Felton for 3 yrs 25 million with last year not being guaranteed. When I look at this roster it is markedly better than any roster the Knicks have had in the past 10 years with that being said is it realistic to expect playoffs with this bunch? I foresee a 7th or 8th seed.

Felton

Chandler

Gallo

Randolph

Amare
Except for defense, and rebounding, and only one guy who can shoot from 3, I agree. Looks really good.
Felton shot 39% from three point land last year. Randolph has fantastic per 36 rebounding numbers and Stoudemire is solid enough (17th in the league in RPG).
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates. I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.

 
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.
Randolph only played 20 minutes a game so citing his per game numbers is sort of foolish. Stoudemire averaged less than 36 minutes per game, so if anything, he is shortchanged in per game numbers.
Chandler = Chandler Gallo = Gallo.
You are forgetting the fact that players get better from year to year when they are 21 and 22 years old. There is little doubt that both those guys willl be better.
 
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.

I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.
The Knicks did not have the option of Randolph and Lee. Do you think that Amare's rebouding decline is due to his position switch from C to PF? Lee's defense was/is terrible, Amare is a huge upgrade over him in this regard as well as offensive scoring. Amare will command double teams and open up the floor for shooters such as Gallinari while Lee simply doesnt have the offensive game that requires a double team.

 
Minnessota accumulating a lot of assests that don't make a lot of dough outside of Jefferson.JeffersonLoveFlynnW. JohnsonRubioBeasleyBrewer
Incredibly young, too. The entire team is 25 or under.
The key will be identifying the core players. It seemed like every player was in the doghouse from one time or another, from Flynn, to Love, to Jefferson.I really like Love as a role player, he can rebound, and he can pass very well for a big guy. I know they get ridiculed for passing on Cousins, but I think Johnson is going to be a solid player in the NBA, even though he is already 36. Beasley can be that scorer they lack, but his refusal to play any defense might limit his minutes. It looks like they have a lot of very solid role players, but no stars, although some of their young players can obviously develop.
 
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.

I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.
The Knicks did not have the option of Randolph and Lee. Do you think that Amare's rebouding decline is due to his position switch from C to PF? Lee's defense was/is terrible, Amare is a huge upgrade over him in this regard as well as offensive scoring. Amare will command double teams and open up the floor for shooters such as Gallinari while Lee simply doesnt have the offensive game that requires a double team.
True they couldn't have both Randolph and Lee. Amare a HUGE upgrade in defense? He's a pretty bad defender, IMO.... just slightly better than Lee but that match up tilts in Lee's favor when you factor in rebounding. Amare is the superior offensive player no doubt, but Lee isn't too shabby either. I just don't value one dimensional players much, especially when that dimension is scoring. Amare is an elite score, but average/below average rebounder. Lee is an above average scorer and above average/elite rebounder.

Yes Amare will draw double teams and theoretically that will give Gallo and others more free 3 pointers, but guess what... Amare has averaged no more than 2 assists per game (career 1.3) with one of the best shooters ever (Nash) and other solid shooters over the years (Bell, J-Rich, Q, Joe Johnson, Frye, Dudley, Etc) so most likely those jump shooters won't see the benefits (especially since Lee averaged 3.6 last year).

Amare is a one trick pony. FOr the most part Amare has been operating at C/PF for the Suns for years without another legit bigman and it looks like his role in NYK will be much of the same. With that said AR will be the best rebounder he's played since Shaq so who knows it may help him grab a few more boards. Amare has the tools to be better in rebounding and defense at either PF or C, but his lack of commitment to that end is what kills him.

 
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.
Randolph only played 20 minutes a game so citing his per game numbers is sort of foolish. Stoudemire averaged less than 36 minutes per game, so if anything, he is shortchanged in per game numbers.
Chandler = Chandler Gallo = Gallo.
You are forgetting the fact that players get better from year to year when they are 21 and 22 years old. There is little doubt that both those guys willl be better.
- Use TRB% from basketball-reference.com or Total Rebound Rate from hoopdata.com in order to have an apples to apples comparison. This will solve the problem regarding AR's lack of minutes and the fact that Amare gets more minutes as they are based by possession (B-R.com % stats uses Team Possessions while player is on the floor as the denominator vs. Hoopdata Rates which uses player individual possessions (FGA, FTA, TO, AST) as the denominator). I thought you were cherrying picking stats to make Amare look better than he is at rebounding.- I understand players improve and I was going to mention that, but I chose not to because I don't think Chandler or Gallo will get THAT much better than last year that it will make much of a difference. Chandler is a solid all around player but I don't see him being anything other than a role player and Gallo can be a Rashard Lewis type at best (does that happen next year? maybe.) which means he's just great at scoring.
 
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From Rotoworld:

Knicks president Donnie Walsh said that Isiah Thomas will be a candidate for the team's GM position "if they make a hire," according to ESPN's Chris Broussard.As preposterous as it seems, Isiah is obviously still viewed favorably by owner James Dolan. He met with LeBron James as an unsuccessful ambassador for the Knicks and it sure seems like he's creeping back into the picture in New York. Rival GMs with bloated contracts on the books are already licking their chops.
:thumbup:
 
Dorell Wright to Warriors 3yrs/11 million

Ugh. This means Warriors will definitely not match Morrow.

They're the same age and while Wright is more defensive oriented and has better size for SF, I can't imagine letting the sweet stroke of Morrow go. Any pre-7/8/10 Heat fans have insight on Wright?

From the limited times I've seen him he is athletic, can rebound, and play some D. Is he a good enough defender to be a considered a defensive stopper? If he is then I like the signing if not... I'm going to miss me some Morrow.

ETA: Noticed he shot 38% from 3 point land so I'm actually liking this deal a bit more. He won't need to score at all with Curry, Ellis, and Lee but if he can play defense and be a legit threat from the 3 point line sounds like money well spent.

 
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And still my Nuggets do nothing. And now with Petro possibly leaving to the Nets, I have no idea what this team is going to do at center.

Anderson and Martin are both coming off off-season surgery and are ??? if they are going to be ready for opening day.

I was really hoping they would get J. O'Neal even if it meant over-paying for him, but considering they are already up against the cap, I can't say I am shocked.

This team has Nene and that is it as far as big men. They are going to have to make a run at a Brad Miller type player or this is going to haunt them and could send a strong message to Melo they are not serious about winning.

 
I have learnt many things about Chris Bosh in this thread. He constantly demands double teams......which is hardly surprising considering he's one of the top 5 players in the league. Strange that a guy with that much talent would have only two career playoff trips (neither of which lasted past round 1) and one winning season in his career. He did manage to lead the Raptors to the number 1 overall pick in 05-06 though, so maybe the Heat have room for optimism.

 
bg0546 said:
From Rotoworld:

Knicks president Donnie Walsh said that Isiah Thomas will be a candidate for the team's GM position "if they make a hire," according to ESPN's Chris Broussard.As preposterous as it seems, Isiah is obviously still viewed favorably by owner James Dolan. He met with LeBron James as an unsuccessful ambassador for the Knicks and it sure seems like he's creeping back into the picture in New York. Rival GMs with bloated contracts on the books are already licking their chops.
:lmao:
I really hope Dolan makes this happen.
 
No. 16 said:
simmonjm said:
No. 16 said:
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.

I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.
The Knicks did not have the option of Randolph and Lee. Do you think that Amare's rebouding decline is due to his position switch from C to PF? Lee's defense was/is terrible, Amare is a huge upgrade over him in this regard as well as offensive scoring. Amare will command double teams and open up the floor for shooters such as Gallinari while Lee simply doesnt have the offensive game that requires a double team.
True they couldn't have both Randolph and Lee. Amare a HUGE upgrade in defense? He's a pretty bad defender, IMO.... just slightly better than Lee but that match up tilts in Lee's favor when you factor in rebounding. Amare is the superior offensive player no doubt, but Lee isn't too shabby either. I just don't value one dimensional players much, especially when that dimension is scoring. Amare is an elite score, but average/below average rebounder. Lee is an above average scorer and above average/elite rebounder.

Yes Amare will draw double teams and theoretically that will give Gallo and others more free 3 pointers, but guess what... Amare has averaged no more than 2 assists per game (career 1.3) with one of the best shooters ever (Nash) and other solid shooters over the years (Bell, J-Rich, Q, Joe Johnson, Frye, Dudley, Etc) so most likely those jump shooters won't see the benefits (especially since Lee averaged 3.6 last year).

Amare is a one trick pony. FOr the most part Amare has been operating at C/PF for the Suns for years without another legit bigman and it looks like his role in NYK will be much of the same. With that said AR will be the best rebounder he's played since Shaq so who knows it may help him grab a few more boards. Amare has the tools to be better in rebounding and defense at either PF or C, but his lack of commitment to that end is what kills him.
I watched the majority of Knicks games last year and while I love Lee and he has been the one bright spot on this team for the last several years he is not what this team needs. I truly think his big offensive numbers are a function of this system. His offensive game is rebounding and hustle. He does not have a post up game and can't create his own shot. He is an elite rebounder but not a physical presence and really is a bit undersized at power forward. He is very good player but really just a complimentary player and I think a step below both Bosh, Amare and Boozer of the free agent PFs. Even if you think he is as good as Amare without moving Lee we would not have added Randolph who I think can be a very good player. I also think the young guys will improve and Felton is a major improvement at point guard. I think this team is looking much better then last year and finally looks like it has a future.

 
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bg0546 said:
From Rotoworld:Knicks president Donnie Walsh said that Isiah Thomas will be a candidate for the team's GM position "if they make a hire," according to ESPN's Chris Broussard.As preposterous as it seems, Isiah is obviously still viewed favorably by owner James Dolan. He met with LeBron James as an unsuccessful ambassador for the Knicks and it sure seems like he's creeping back into the picture in New York. Rival GMs with bloated contracts on the books are already licking their chops.
BrandonTierneythe reports re: Isiah Thomas' influence within the NYK organization is ABSOLUTELY true. I was told that Amar'e stayed at Isiah's home BrandonTierneylast weekend, and that Isiah Thomas is the reason--not Mike D'Antoni's system--for Amar'e signing with the Knicks. I also learned that the breakfast w/Mike D'Antoni (prior to the agreement) was @ Isiah's house... :goodposting:
 
And still my Nuggets do nothing. And now with Petro possibly leaving to the Nets, I have no idea what this team is going to do at center.

Anderson and Martin are both coming off off-season surgery and are ??? if they are going to be ready for opening day.

I was really hoping they would get J. O'Neal even if it meant over-paying for him, but considering they are already up against the cap, I can't say I am shocked.

This team has Nene and that is it as far as big men. They are going to have to make a run at a Brad Miller type player or this is going to haunt them and could send a strong message to Melo they are not serious about winning.
Donnie Walsh has a max slot saved for next year in case this scenario plays out
 
No. 16 said:
simmonjm said:
No. 16 said:
Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.

I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.
The Knicks did not have the option of Randolph and Lee. Do you think that Amare's rebouding decline is due to his position switch from C to PF? Lee's defense was/is terrible, Amare is a huge upgrade over him in this regard as well as offensive scoring. Amare will command double teams and open up the floor for shooters such as Gallinari while Lee simply doesnt have the offensive game that requires a double team.
True they couldn't have both Randolph and Lee. Amare a HUGE upgrade in defense? He's a pretty bad defender, IMO.... just slightly better than Lee but that match up tilts in Lee's favor when you factor in rebounding. Amare is the superior offensive player no doubt, but Lee isn't too shabby either. I just don't value one dimensional players much, especially when that dimension is scoring. Amare is an elite score, but average/below average rebounder. Lee is an above average scorer and above average/elite rebounder.

Yes Amare will draw double teams and theoretically that will give Gallo and others more free 3 pointers, but guess what... Amare has averaged no more than 2 assists per game (career 1.3) with one of the best shooters ever (Nash) and other solid shooters over the years (Bell, J-Rich, Q, Joe Johnson, Frye, Dudley, Etc) so most likely those jump shooters won't see the benefits (especially since Lee averaged 3.6 last year).

Amare is a one trick pony. FOr the most part Amare has been operating at C/PF for the Suns for years without another legit bigman and it looks like his role in NYK will be much of the same. With that said AR will be the best rebounder he's played since Shaq so who knows it may help him grab a few more boards. Amare has the tools to be better in rebounding and defense at either PF or C, but his lack of commitment to that end is what kills him.
I watched the majority of Knicks games last year and while I love Lee and he has been the one bright spot on this team for the last several years he is not what this team needs. I truly think his big offensive numbers are a function of this system. His offensive game is rebounding and hustle. He does not have a post up game and can't create his own shot. He is an elite rebounder but not a physical presence and really is a bit undersized at power forward. He is very good player but really just a complimentary player and I think a step below both Bosh, Amare and Boozer of the free agent PFs. Even if you think he is as good as Amare without moving Lee we would not have added Randolph who I think can be a very good player. I also think the young guys will improve and Felton is a major improvement at point guard. I think this team is looking much better then last year and finally looks like it has a future.
We'll they're actually trying to build a team now instead of building cap space. Agree. Lee is a notch below Boozer and Bosh, IMO, but I guess I'm just not a big fan of Amare.

With that said... Amare doesn't have much of a post game either. He's made a living off of pick and rolls with Nash, but he does have the ability to face up and take big men off the dribble as they have to respect his jump shot. I guess it's a matter if you think Amare's elite scoring out weighs Lee's elite rebounding/passing since both are terrible on defense.

I'm curious as a non-jaded Warrior fan like myself (who is an AR doubter)... what do type of player/stats do you expect Randolph to put up next year and career year?

 
And still my Nuggets do nothing. And now with Petro possibly leaving to the Nets, I have no idea what this team is going to do at center.Anderson and Martin are both coming off off-season surgery and are ??? if they are going to be ready for opening day. I was really hoping they would get J. O'Neal even if it meant over-paying for him, but considering they are already up against the cap, I can't say I am shocked.This team has Nene and that is it as far as big men. They are going to have to make a run at a Brad Miller type player or this is going to haunt them and could send a strong message to Melo they are not serious about winning.
Theyre gonna have to do better than Miller. Resuming talks for Biedrins might do it. Being the source of as much fuss & focus as the King has to appeal to a player who's long toiled in his shadow and The Apple's increased appetite for a marquee player will ensure that. Denver better get serious BUT quick.
 
And still my Nuggets do nothing. And now with Petro possibly leaving to the Nets, I have no idea what this team is going to do at center.Anderson and Martin are both coming off off-season surgery and are ??? if they are going to be ready for opening day. I was really hoping they would get J. O'Neal even if it meant over-paying for him, but considering they are already up against the cap, I can't say I am shocked.This team has Nene and that is it as far as big men. They are going to have to make a run at a Brad Miller type player or this is going to haunt them and could send a strong message to Melo they are not serious about winning.
I'm glad they let Petro go for that amount of money, I feel the same way about this signing (to a lesser extent) as I did when the Nets signed Najera a couple years back, he was very helpful to the team, but not at that price. Here is a couple bigs they could target:Kwame Brown - Rebounding and Defense (a slightly better version of Petro)Craig Smith - Crafty scoringShelden Williams - Good rebounding, decent defense (very similar to Petro)Erick Dampier (soon to be FA)- Big and he rebounds and defendsIke Diogu - Injured last year I think, but it seems he is a good scorer but a bad defenderAaron Gray - Hes huge and reboundsEarl Barron - Don't know much about him but he seemed to show flashes last year (statistically)Louis Amundson - Scrappy player (Similar to a Najera) and hes from the area, the fans would love himRasho Nesterovic - Slow but has some offensive skillsBen Wallace - Not sure hes down to come here, but he would be an awesome fit on the cheapDJ Mbenga - Plays a little D, doesn't offer much elseIan Mahinmi - Don't know anything about him, and I don't think I've ever seen him play, but good stats in limited actionJoe Smith - Decent scorer, good rebounder, bad otherwiseBrad Miller - Slow, white, hits a 15 foot jump shot will probably be overpaid (anything more than the minimum)Big Z - Slow, white, hits a 15 foot jump shot but is 4 inches tallerTim Thomas - Great shooter, terrible motor, terrible rebounderIf I were the Nuggets I would look at Amundson, Diogu and Williams for the minimum and Brown, Smith, Dampier and Wallace for slightly more than the minimum (2-2.5 a year). If the Nuggets go into the season with something like Nene, Kwame and Amundson (and Brian Butch the dude the signed with a week left in the season) they may be able to keep in the hunt for the number two seed while Anderson and Martin recover.And I also think they still have Steven Hunters trade exception (according to the trade machine) and there are probably some decent bigs to be had for 3.5 million.
 
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And still my Nuggets do nothing. And now with Petro possibly leaving to the Nets, I have no idea what this team is going to do at center.Anderson and Martin are both coming off off-season surgery and are ??? if they are going to be ready for opening day. I was really hoping they would get J. O'Neal even if it meant over-paying for him, but considering they are already up against the cap, I can't say I am shocked.This team has Nene and that is it as far as big men. They are going to have to make a run at a Brad Miller type player or this is going to haunt them and could send a strong message to Melo they are not serious about winning.
Theyre gonna have to do better than Miller. Resuming talks for Biedrins might do it. Being the source of as much fuss & focus as the King has to appeal to a player who's long toiled in his shadow and The Apple's increased appetite for a marquee player will ensure that. Denver better get serious BUT quick.
I don't like Biedrins at all for the Nuggets. Biedrins is like a poor mans Camby, he rebounds and defends the hoop but isn't much for post defense. Okafor is a better player IMO and would be a better fit, although a slightly larger contract. Here is my Denver Nuggets fan pipe dream that I through in the ESPN Trade Machine this morning: Billups, Martin and Butch/Karl for Okafor, Paul, Posey, Songilia... Saves the Hornets 7 million this year, and something like 20-35 million depending on if they exercise Billups' team option next year.
 
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Funny that you cite Randolph's per36 and then only use Amare's RPG. I showed earlier Amare is a poor rebounder for the PF spot and even worse at C. You just need to check rebounding rates.

I think Knicks fans will be disappointed with the team next season.

Felton > Duhon: No question.

Chandler = Chandler

Gallo = Gallo

Randolph > or = Harrington: Offense vs Defense. Harrington can score but is a poor rebounder and AR can rebound/defend but he's an inefficient scorer.

Amare < or = Lee: Both suck at defense. Amare is better at scoring and does so efficiently and is a poor rebounder/facilitator, David Lee is better rebounder/passer and while he is worse at scoring he can still produce decent volume with above average efficiency as well.

BENCH

Turiaf and Buike are way better than anything NYK had and if Buike is healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he pushed Chandler or Gallo for a starting spot. Turiaf is a solid man defender and shot blocker, but his rebounding is ATROCIOUS and he passes waaay too much around the rim.

They've certainly improved themselves but only marginally and they've spent a crap load of cash to do it. The only reason this team has any shot at the playoffs is because they're in the East. I actually would like this team better if they had kept David Lee over Amare because at least Randolph + Lee would give the Knicks the edge in rebounding most nights, which is more important than the extra 3 ppg/5ppg per 36/or 1 point per 100 possessions that Amare offers over Lee. I also think Amare's effort/production post contract year will be a sharper decline than Lee's.
The Knicks did not have the option of Randolph and Lee. Do you think that Amare's rebouding decline is due to his position switch from C to PF? Lee's defense was/is terrible, Amare is a huge upgrade over him in this regard as well as offensive scoring. Amare will command double teams and open up the floor for shooters such as Gallinari while Lee simply doesnt have the offensive game that requires a double team.
True they couldn't have both Randolph and Lee. Amare a HUGE upgrade in defense? He's a pretty bad defender, IMO.... just slightly better than Lee but that match up tilts in Lee's favor when you factor in rebounding. Amare is the superior offensive player no doubt, but Lee isn't too shabby either. I just don't value one dimensional players much, especially when that dimension is scoring. Amare is an elite score, but average/below average rebounder. Lee is an above average scorer and above average/elite rebounder.

Yes Amare will draw double teams and theoretically that will give Gallo and others more free 3 pointers, but guess what... Amare has averaged no more than 2 assists per game (career 1.3) with one of the best shooters ever (Nash) and other solid shooters over the years (Bell, J-Rich, Q, Joe Johnson, Frye, Dudley, Etc) so most likely those jump shooters won't see the benefits (especially since Lee averaged 3.6 last year).

Amare is a one trick pony. FOr the most part Amare has been operating at C/PF for the Suns for years without another legit bigman and it looks like his role in NYK will be much of the same. With that said AR will be the best rebounder he's played since Shaq so who knows it may help him grab a few more boards. Amare has the tools to be better in rebounding and defense at either PF or C, but his lack of commitment to that end is what kills him.
I watched the majority of Knicks games last year and while I love Lee and he has been the one bright spot on this team for the last several years he is not what this team needs. I truly think his big offensive numbers are a function of this system. His offensive game is rebounding and hustle. He does not have a post up game and can't create his own shot. He is an elite rebounder but not a physical presence and really is a bit undersized at power forward. He is very good player but really just a complimentary player and I think a step below both Bosh, Amare and Boozer of the free agent PFs. Even if you think he is as good as Amare without moving Lee we would not have added Randolph who I think can be a very good player. I also think the young guys will improve and Felton is a major improvement at point guard. I think this team is looking much better then last year and finally looks like it has a future.
We'll they're actually trying to build a team now instead of building cap space. Agree. Lee is a notch below Boozer and Bosh, IMO, but I guess I'm just not a big fan of Amare.

With that said... Amare doesn't have much of a post game either. He's made a living off of pick and rolls with Nash, but he does have the ability to face up and take big men off the dribble as they have to respect his jump shot. I guess it's a matter if you think Amare's elite scoring out weighs Lee's elite rebounding/passing since both are terrible on defense.

I'm curious as a non-jaded Warrior fan like myself (who is an AR doubter)... what do type of player/stats do you expect Randolph to put up next year and career year?
I don't think he starts this year and I think Turiaf starts at center but he is going to play alot and be the first guy off the bench. Given he probably doesn't get over 30 minutes a night I think he can do 13 and 7 this year as a reserve and think he can eventually be a 18 and 10 guy with upside. I think one of his issues is right now is he is so skinny he gets pushed around inside but you have to remember he is only 20. He will build into his long frame and be a much more effective player inside down the road.

 
(and Brian Butch the dude the signed with a week left in the season)
Scratch that, he just blew out his knee in tonights Summer League game vs the Lakers. It looked terrible, definitely out for this year, might be a career type injury.
Thats too bad, didn't know anything about the guy but I was curious to see if he was any good. At least he'll get to cash his paycheck for 800,000 grand or whatever.
 
Russian center Timofey Mozgov will sign a three year, 9.7 million dollar contract with the New York Knicks. Knicks will pay Khimki 500k USD.
Mozgov has been rated DraftExpress' #1 International Free Agent prospect for the past two years. Big, strong athletic center w/nice upside.
Mozgov can play guys. He's a big body and super athletic guy who rebounds, block shots and finishes really well around the rim.
 

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