*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (7 Viewers)

[Ramblin Wreck]

LeBron: RaptorsWade: PacersAmare: TimberwolvesBosh: WizardsDirk: KingsBoozer: ClippersJoe Johnson: Bucks

Hasn't been much talk about the Wizards and free agency. I did hear they may hold their cap space and go after Carmelo next year, who is from Baltimore. Bosh would be nice to pair with Wall and Arenas though.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Here are my FA predictions (as boring as they are):

LeBron: Cleveland (in the end the hometown pressure will be too much to leave)

Wade: Miami

Amare: Miami

Bosh: Chicago (He'll flirt with NY but Toronto wants a sign-and-trade and NY has nothing to offer)

Dirk: Dallas

Boozer: New Jersey

Joe Johnson: Atlanta

Lee: New York

It doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Bosh holds all the cards. I'm sure Bosh would be up for a sign and trade because he will get a little more money, but Toronto has zero leverage. I doubt Donnie Walsh traded away Hill and future 1st rd pick just to resign Lee who they could've just resigned anyway.

Yes it does matter what Toronto wants. They won't sign and trade bosh unless they are getting assets back. They are better letting him walk then a sign and trade for crap contracts.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Here are my FA predictions (as boring as they are):

LeBron: Cleveland (in the end the hometown pressure will be too much to leave)

Wade: Miami

Amare: Miami

Bosh: Chicago (He'll flirt with NY but Toronto wants a sign-and-trade and NY has nothing to offer)

Dirk: Dallas

Boozer: New Jersey

Joe Johnson: Atlanta

Lee: New York

It doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Bosh holds all the cards. I'm sure Bosh would be up for a sign and trade because he will get a little more money, but Toronto has zero leverage. I doubt Donnie Walsh traded away Hill and future 1st rd pick just to resign Lee who they could've just resigned anyway.

Yes it does matter what Toronto wants. They won't sign and trade bosh unless they are getting assets back. They are better letting him walk then a sign and trade for crap contracts.

The Bynum for Bosh trade talks scare me.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

 

[Steelfan7]

Here are my FA predictions (as boring as they are):

LeBron: Cleveland (in the end the hometown pressure will be too much to leave)

Wade: Miami

Amare: Miami

Bosh: Chicago (He'll flirt with NY but Toronto wants a sign-and-trade and NY has nothing to offer)

Dirk: Dallas

Boozer: New Jersey

Joe Johnson: Atlanta

Lee: New York

It doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Bosh holds all the cards. I'm sure Bosh would be up for a sign and trade because he will get a little more money, but Toronto has zero leverage. I doubt Donnie Walsh traded away Hill and future 1st rd pick just to resign Lee who they could've just resigned anyway.

Yes it does matter what Toronto wants. They won't sign and trade bosh unless they are getting assets back. They are better letting him walk then a sign and trade for crap contracts.

Bosh can sign with any team with cap space. No sign and trade required. If he wants to go to NY than nothing Toronto can do about it.

 

[the moops]

Here are my FA predictions (as boring as they are):

LeBron: Cleveland (in the end the hometown pressure will be too much to leave)

Wade: Miami

Amare: Miami

Bosh: Chicago (He'll flirt with NY but Toronto wants a sign-and-trade and NY has nothing to offer)

Dirk: Dallas

Boozer: New Jersey

Joe Johnson: Atlanta

Lee: New York

It doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Bosh holds all the cards. I'm sure Bosh would be up for a sign and trade because he will get a little more money, but Toronto has zero leverage. I doubt Donnie Walsh traded away Hill and future 1st rd pick just to resign Lee who they could've just resigned anyway.

Yes it does matter what Toronto wants. They won't sign and trade bosh unless they are getting assets back. They are better letting him walk then a sign and trade for crap contracts.

Bosh can sign with any team with cap space. No sign and trade required. If he wants to go to NY than nothing Toronto can do about it.

Bosh will earn more money in a sign and trade though.So, while Bosh does indeed have the option of going anywhere he pleases, if he wants the most money it does indeed matter what Toronto wants.

 

[Steelfan7]

Here are my FA predictions (as boring as they are):

LeBron: Cleveland (in the end the hometown pressure will be too much to leave)

Wade: Miami

Amare: Miami

Bosh: Chicago (He'll flirt with NY but Toronto wants a sign-and-trade and NY has nothing to offer)

Dirk: Dallas

Boozer: New Jersey

Joe Johnson: Atlanta

Lee: New York

It doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Bosh holds all the cards. I'm sure Bosh would be up for a sign and trade because he will get a little more money, but Toronto has zero leverage. I doubt Donnie Walsh traded away Hill and future 1st rd pick just to resign Lee who they could've just resigned anyway.

Yes it does matter what Toronto wants. They won't sign and trade bosh unless they are getting assets back. They are better letting him walk then a sign and trade for crap contracts.

Bosh can sign with any team with cap space. No sign and trade required. If he wants to go to NY than nothing Toronto can do about it.

Bosh will earn more money in a sign and trade though.So, while Bosh does indeed have the option of going anywhere he pleases, if he wants the most money it does indeed matter what Toronto wants.

Bosh will more than make up that difference in money via advertising/promotional money in Chicago or NY. Either way he gets his money.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Bosh isn't exactly an advertising giant that Wade or lebron is. He 'needs' the max deal and he will only get it if he stays in Toronto or Toronto can get a good return in a sign and trade.

 

[Steelfan7]

Bosh isn't exactly an advertising giant that Wade or lebron is. He 'needs' the max deal and he will only get it if he stays in Toronto or Toronto can get a good return in a sign and trade.

Of course Bosh is not a marketing giant such as Wade or Lebron, but he'll make millions more in advertising in NY or Chi than he ever will receive playing in Toronto. No knock on the city of Toronto, but it's just the truth.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

 

[Steelfan7]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

Has this creature ever existed?

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

 

[Celph Titled]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

ool

 

[No. 16]

I will be very happy if the Warriors pick Cousins or Monroe. However, I don't think Sacramento can pass on Cousins so I hope Monroe is the pick. He probably won't be a start player but his passing ability, hoop IQ, and size make him a solid piece of the puzzle. The Warriors need another play maker/facilitator in the offense and Monroe will do just that. He'll allow Curry to play off the ball and drain 3s and he can get the ball to Monta on backdoor cuts.

 

[Kev4029]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

TG says a lot of dumb things, but I'm not sure I've ever read a comment worse than this. I can't believe that somebody could actually believe something like that having ever watched the two of them.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

TG says a lot of dumb things, but I'm not sure I've ever read a comment worse than this. I can't believe that somebody could actually believe something like that having ever watched the two of them.

This has become par for the course from laker fans.

 

[Getinthemix]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

ool

Gotta be schtick.

 

[Abraham]

Is chiang really a max guy? He seems closer to a boozer or lee then a wade or lebron. Out another way, is rather have amare then bosh, especially iif he costs less.

 

[Kev4029]

I think people in general have Bosh very underrated, hes a top ten player in the league.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Is chiang really a max guy? He seems closer to a boozer or lee then a wade or lebron. Out another way, is rather have amare then bosh, especially iif he costs less.

Chiang???I'd say that bosh brings a lot more to the table than lee or boozer. Offensively, he and Amare are a wash IMO. Defensively bosh is better than all of those guys... But that isn't saying much. It'll be interesting to see what Amare does without Nash.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I think people in general have Bosh very underrated, hes a top ten player in the league.

He doesn't get much tv time in the states.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

TG says a lot of dumb things, but I'm not sure I've ever read a comment worse than this. I can't believe that somebody could actually believe something like that having ever watched the two of them.

Bynum had a 22.6 PER as a 7"1, 280 pound 20 year old when he got hurt for the first time. Bosh's PER at age 20 was 17.5, and he's 6"10, 220. I'd rather have Bosh, but only because of Bynum's injuries. Great centers are more valuable than great power forwards.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think people in general have Bosh very underrated, hes a top ten player in the league.

No he's not.

 

[Getinthemix]

Agreed. If bynum wasn't such a bandaid, he'd be a great fit beside bargnani.

If Bynum wasn't a band aid, these rumors wouldn't exist. A healthy Bynum > a healthy Bosh.

TG says a lot of dumb things, but I'm not sure I've ever read a comment worse than this. I can't believe that somebody could actually believe something like that having ever watched the two of them.

Bynum had a 22.6 PER as a 7"1, 280 pound 20 year old when he got hurt for the first time. Bosh's PER at age 20 was 17.5, and he's 6"10, 220. I'd rather have Bosh, but only because of Bynum's injuries. Great centers are more valuable than great power forwards.

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

 

[the moops]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

Because it makes his case better than numbers from the previous 2 years?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

 

[boubucarow]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

So, in your opinion, is PER the true measure of a player's value?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

So, in your opinion, is PER the true measure of a player's value?

Not at all. It's just one piece. But most of the other aspects favor Bynum as well. Size, overall defensive impact, position scarcity, etc.Again, I am hopeful that LA pulls the trigger on the rumored Bynum for Bosh deal. Andrew is still young, but this is three years in a row where he's been limited by injuries, and I don't trust his knees long term. But I was getting ridiculed for suggesting that a healthy Bynum (without the knee injuries) was > Bosh. Reasonable minds can disagree, but my opinion isn't stupid, and their respective PER's at the same age prior to Bynum's injuries is evidence of that. Not absolute proof, but evidence.

 

[D'OHtis]

It'll be interesting to see what Amare does without Nash.

Very.Amare's improved on one facet of his game with the Suns -- midrange jumper.He still doesn't defend. Isn't a guy you can dump down low to to get a critical bucket. His effort (especially on the glass) is hit or miss.People will look at #'s and say he's a max type player with consider that offense. He will never again play with a better guy at setting up his teammates than Nash. He won't have the same chemistry, timing with whomever he plays with next. (I don't think it's the here in Phoenix. Don't be shocked if it's later revealed that that's a big reason for Kerr's departure).He's still got a bunch of holes in his game. Ones he hasn't & won't improve upon now with age. When his legs begin to go & can't rely on pure athleticism (and got that $$ in his pocket), you're not going to want to be the team holding his contract.

 

[tommyGunZ]

It'll be interesting to see what Amare does without Nash.

Very.Amare's improved on one facet of his game with the Suns -- midrange jumper.He still doesn't defend. Isn't a guy you can dump down low to to get a critical bucket. His effort (especially on the glass) is hit or miss.People will look at #'s and say he's a max type player with consider that offense. He will never again play with a better guy at setting up his teammates than Nash. He won't have the same chemistry, timing with whomever he plays with next. (I don't think it's the here in Phoenix. Don't be shocked if it's later revealed that that's a big reason for Kerr's departure).He's still got a bunch of holes in his game. Ones he hasn't & won't improve upon now with age. When his legs begin to go & can't rely on pure athleticism (and got that $$ in his pocket), you're not going to want to be the team holding his contract.

Agree with this. Whomever ends up with Amare will regret it later.

 

[boubucarow]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

So, in your opinion, is PER the true measure of a player's value?

Not at all. It's just one piece. But most of the other aspects favor Bynum as well. Size, overall defensive impact, position scarcity, etc.Again, I am hopeful that LA pulls the trigger on the rumored Bynum for Bosh deal. Andrew is still young, but this is three years in a row where he's been limited by injuries, and I don't trust his knees long term. But I was getting ridiculed for suggesting that a healthy Bynum (without the knee injuries) was > Bosh. Reasonable minds can disagree, but my opinion isn't stupid, and their respective PER's at the same age prior to Bynum's injuries is evidence of that. Not absolute proof, but evidence.

I can respect this. Bynum showed the potential to be as good of an offensive force and a better defensive force and was the more efficient player at the age of 20. However, he has never topped the 30 minute mark per game and Bosh was playing 37+ at 20 and is now a much better offensive player than Bynum has ever displayed although his defense is still a weakness in comparison. I don't think it is farfetched to say Bynum was better at 20 but I don't think it can be assumed that Bynum was ever capable of being better than Bosh is right now since his health/stamina have always been a question mark.

 

[Getinthemix]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

So, in your opinion, is PER the true measure of a player's value?

Not at all. It's just one piece. But most of the other aspects favor Bynum as well. Size, overall defensive impact, position scarcity, etc.Again, I am hopeful that LA pulls the trigger on the rumored Bynum for Bosh deal. Andrew is still young, but this is three years in a row where he's been limited by injuries, and I don't trust his knees long term. But I was getting ridiculed for suggesting that a healthy Bynum (without the knee injuries) was > Bosh. Reasonable minds can disagree, but my opinion isn't stupid, and their respective PER's at the same age prior to Bynum's injuries is evidence of that. Not absolute proof, but evidence.

Bosh has also averaged 23.34 PER over the last 5 years including a 25.0 last year. Meanwhile Bynum has averaged a 216 for the last 3 all of which he has missed significant time due to injuries. The only year he has been in the league and played a full 82 or over 65 (and he only has two years with over 65 games played) was when he was 19 and had a PER of 15.4. Bynum's best PER season was at 20 with a 22.6, however he played a killer 35 games that year. He has regressed since the age of 20. Bosh has progressed since 20 culminating with a career high PER of 25 this past year. Bosh also averages over 70 games played per season. Bynum averages an incredibly durable 55.6 games played per year. He gets less starts than a dead ball era pitcher.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Why are you comparing PER from 3 years ago?

B/c the comment I made that some people called stupid stated that a "healthy" Bynum > Bosh. 3 years ago was when Bynum had his first knee injury. Since then, Bosh has definitely been the better player as Bynum has been unable to stay healthy.I'm just pointing out that prior to Bynum's injuries, he was a far more valuable player than Chris Bosh at the same age.

So, in your opinion, is PER the true measure of a player's value?

Not at all. It's just one piece. But most of the other aspects favor Bynum as well. Size, overall defensive impact, position scarcity, etc.Again, I am hopeful that LA pulls the trigger on the rumored Bynum for Bosh deal. Andrew is still young, but this is three years in a row where he's been limited by injuries, and I don't trust his knees long term. But I was getting ridiculed for suggesting that a healthy Bynum (without the knee injuries) was > Bosh. Reasonable minds can disagree, but my opinion isn't stupid, and their respective PER's at the same age prior to Bynum's injuries is evidence of that. Not absolute proof, but evidence.

Bosh has also averaged 23.34 PER over the last 5 years including a 25.0 last year. Meanwhile Bynum has averaged a 216 for the last 3 all of which he has missed significant time due to injuries. The only year he has been in the league and played a full 82 or over 65 (and he only has two years with over 65 games played) was when he was 19 and had a PER of 15.4. Bynum's best PER season was at 20 with a 22.6, however he played a killer 35 games that year. He has regressed since the age of 20. Bosh has progressed since 20 culminating with a career high PER of 25 this past year. Bosh also averages over 70 games played per season. Bynum averages an incredibly durable 55.6 games played per year. He gets less starts than a dead ball era pitcher.

Believe me, I'm well aware of Bynum's injury history. It's why this entire discussion was based on a "healthy" Bynum, so I'm not sure what pointing out his inability to stay healthy means. No one thinks the current Bynum > Bosh.

 

[Getinthemix]

Then why are you comparing a "healthy" Bynum with Bosh, when Bynum may very well never be healthy?

 

[Kev4029]

It'll be interesting to see what Amare does without Nash.

Very.Amare's improved on one facet of his game with the Suns -- midrange jumper.He still doesn't defend. Isn't a guy you can dump down low to to get a critical bucket. His effort (especially on the glass) is hit or miss.People will look at #'s and say he's a max type player with consider that offense. He will never again play with a better guy at setting up his teammates than Nash. He won't have the same chemistry, timing with whomever he plays with next. (I don't think it's the here in Phoenix. Don't be shocked if it's later revealed that that's a big reason for Kerr's departure).He's still got a bunch of holes in his game. Ones he hasn't & won't improve upon now with age. When his legs begin to go & can't rely on pure athleticism (and got that $$ in his pocket), you're not going to want to be the team holding his contract.

Agree with this. Whomever ends up with Amare will regret it later.

I agree, hes not worth a max contract, but I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get it anyway. I think it may be worth it for a team like NJ to splurge anyway. He has developed one of the better mid range games for a big man in the NBA, and hes still only 27 so his athleticism shouldn't fall off until the last year or so of the contract. So many teams have money this summer that they will be over paying players left and right. I would sooner give him a max contract than Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer, both of whom will be getting a max deal too.

 

[saintfool]

I agree, hes not worth a max contract, but I'll be very surprised if he doesn't get it anyway. I think it may be worth it for a team like NJ to splurge anyway. He has developed one of the better mid range games for a big man in the NBA, and hes still only 27 so his athleticism shouldn't fall off until the last year or so of the contract. So many teams have money this summer that they will be over paying players left and right. I would sooner give him a max contract than Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer, both of whom will be getting a max deal too.

i don't think boozer will get a max deal. if he gets something close to what he's making now then i think he'll be doing well for himself. he'll be 30 years old going into the next season and good teams won't make the kind of financial commitment to him. he's always been about the money, so he'll take a big paycheck - think peja's signing with NO a few years ago - and move on. amare is such a tricky player to evaluate. how much of his production is the Suns system? i think he could sign with NJ and feast on division. the problem is that avery johnson is their coach. he is another byron scott-type coach who does well when you are winning but somehow makes things worse when they lose. if i'm amare, i would rather sign with d'antoni and the knicks.if bosh to miami falls through somehow then they'll make a play for amare. they still need a legit PG but he solves a lot of problems for them.

 

[Celph Titled]

If I were a big-name FA, I would sign with Miami and then completely go into the tank via booze and secks with hot women. I would be pilloried in the papers.

 

[saintfool]

If I were a big-name FA, I would sign with Miami and then completely go into the tank via booze and secks with hot women. I would be pilloried in the papers.

how is this any different from your general day-to-day existence?

 

[Celph Titled]

If I were a big-name FA, I would sign with Miami and then completely go into the tank via booze and secks with hot women. I would be pilloried in the papers.

how is this any different from your general day-to-day existence?

I'm not having secks with multiple women? Kind of feel bad for Boozer in this whole thing, it's been obvious for awhile now that he wants to go to Miami, but I'm sure he's Plan C after Bosh and Stoudemire.

 

[Abraham]

If I were a big-name FA, I would sign with Miami and then completely go into the tank via booze and secks with hot women. I would be pilloried in the papers.

how is this any different from your general day-to-day existence?

I'm not having secks with multiple women? Kind of feel bad for Boozer in this whole thing, it's been obvious for awhile now that he wants to go to Miami, but I'm sure he's Plan C after Bosh and Stoudemire.

Plan D after LBJ, Bosh, and Amare, actually.

 

[Gr00vus]

No one thinks the current Bynum > Bosh.

:hijack:So I ended up getting the Zoom V's for father's day. They were out of the Laker whites, and the "championship" model is just too ugly, so I went with the black with the yellow lined white swoosh. I tried the hyperize ones (they only had the Gasol model - also hideously ugly), but the V's felt way better and actually seemed more stable. But they offer zero protection/support if I do somehow manage to roll my ankle. :/hijack:I still think if LeBron wants to win soon he should go to Jersey. They've got something none of the other candidate teams can offer - the 2nd best true 5 in the game. Plus they have the money and draft picks to build an excellent starting 5. I wonder if the Avery Johnson thing is a negative.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

No one thinks the current Bynum > Bosh.

:hijack:So I ended up getting the Zoom V's for father's day. They were out of the Laker whites, and the "championship" model is just too ugly, so I went with the black with the yellow lined white swoosh. I tried the hyperize ones (they only had the Gasol model - also hideously ugly), but the V's felt way better and actually seemed more stable. But they offer zero protection/support if I do somehow manage to roll my ankle. :/hijack:I still think if LeBron wants to win soon he should go to Jersey. They've got something none of the other candidate teams can offer - the 2nd best true 5 in the game. Plus they have the money and draft picks to build an excellent starting 5. I wonder if the Avery Johnson thing is a negative.

HarrisTurnerLeBronYiLopezI dont know if that works.

 

[saintfool]

I still think if LeBron wants to win soon he should go to Jersey. They've got something none of the other candidate teams can offer - the 2nd best true 5 in the game. Plus they have the money and draft picks to build an excellent starting 5. I wonder if the Avery Johnson thing is a negative.

it is. i can see where a russian billionaire think having a hard-nosed, authoritarian coach is a good thing but i don't think it works well in today's nba. i think experienced players view him as a coach that inherited don nelson's team. he doesn't command the respect as a result. he can go all popovich on a young player because they don't know anything but the vets will tune him out. he needs harris to love him in NJ and lopez to be a good soldier. there is no way in hell that LBJ puts up with avery yapping at him.

 

[Gr00vus]

No one thinks the current Bynum > Bosh.

:hijack:So I ended up getting the Zoom V's for father's day. They were out of the Laker whites, and the "championship" model is just too ugly, so I went with the black with the yellow lined white swoosh. I tried the hyperize ones (they only had the Gasol model - also hideously ugly), but the V's felt way better and actually seemed more stable. But they offer zero protection/support if I do somehow manage to roll my ankle.

:/hijack:

I still think if LeBron wants to win soon he should go to Jersey. They've got something none of the other candidate teams can offer - the 2nd best true 5 in the game. Plus they have the money and draft picks to build an excellent starting 5. I wonder if the Avery Johnson thing is a negative.

HarrisTurner

LeBron

Yi Bosh/Stoudamire/Boozer

Lopez

I dont know if that works.

I think that works. The Russian guy has to burn.It doesn't look quite as good if it's:

Harris

Joe Johnson/Ray Allen

LeBron

Cousins/Favors

Lopez

But I think that squad would be a legit title contender.

 

[cubd8]

Id like to see the Lakers try and get Greivis Vasquez from Maryland or Jordan Crawford from Xavier. Think either would fit in pretty well.

i love this guy coming into the league next year. he should be a lot of fun to watch.

Where is Vasquez projected to go? I haven't been paying as much attention to the NBA Draft this year with all of the pre free agent frenzy.

 

[saintfool]

Id like to see the Lakers try and get Greivis Vasquez from Maryland or Jordan Crawford from Xavier. Think either would fit in pretty well.

i love this guy coming into the league next year. he should be a lot of fun to watch.

Where is Vasquez projected to go? I haven't been paying as much attention to the NBA Draft this year with all of the pre free agent frenzy.

late R1, if he's lucky, or even R2 from what i can tell. i can see him playing overseas if he's not picked early enough.

 

[cubd8]

Amare's contract will immediately become an albatross for whichever team is foolish enough to grossly overpay him.

He's not going to get a max contract, is he?unsure

He averaged 23 pts and 9 boards a game. He's also proven in the playoffs. I think he will get a max deal from someone.

I also think he'll get a max deal, but I hope that teams are smart in how many years he gets. I don't have a big problem if some team gives him a max deal on a 3 year deal, but when we get to 5 years, I do worry about him holding up.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

No one thinks the current Bynum > Bosh.

:hijack:So I ended up getting the Zoom V's for father's day. They were out of the Laker whites, and the "championship" model is just too ugly, so I went with the black with the yellow lined white swoosh. I tried the hyperize ones (they only had the Gasol model - also hideously ugly), but the V's felt way better and actually seemed more stable. But they offer zero protection/support if I do somehow manage to roll my ankle.

:/hijack:

I still think if LeBron wants to win soon he should go to Jersey. They've got something none of the other candidate teams can offer - the 2nd best true 5 in the game. Plus they have the money and draft picks to build an excellent starting 5. I wonder if the Avery Johnson thing is a negative.

HarrisTurner

LeBron

Yi Bosh/Stoudamire/Boozer

Lopez

I dont know if that works.

I think that works. The Russian guy has to burn.It doesn't look quite as good if it's:

Harris

Joe Johnson/Ray Allen

LeBron

Cousins/Favors

Lopez

But I think that squad would be a legit title contender.

if they can get Bosh or Boozer, then yea, I like that.How pissed will Cleveland fans be if the Nets get to pair Lebron and Boozer and they win the title? Losing Boozer is really what set the Cavs back IMO.

 

[Celph Titled]

Amare's contract will immediately become an albatross for whichever team is foolish enough to grossly overpay him.

He's not going to get a max contract, is he?unsure

He averaged 23 pts and 9 boards a game. He's also proven in the playoffs. I think he will get a max deal from someone.

I also think he'll get a max deal, but I hope that teams are smart in how many years he gets. I don't have a big problem if some team gives him a max deal on a 3 year deal, but when we get to 5 years, I do worry about him holding up.

He will get max years, max cash. There are too many teams that have freed up cap space for this off-season, they're not going to risk coming away empty-handed to save another year.